On 22.12.2005 Robert Patterson wrote:
But that is precisely its power. The ability to provide extra margins
combined with the "take existing gaps into account" option saves eons
of time over what I've tried with the built in tool.
Suppose a particular page has a couple of systems that need ext
Hi, Brad.
Recheck show mesaure number would not be needed if you check "always show in
top staff" when you define the measure region.
Javier.
The 21/12/05 21:53, Brad Beyenhof escribió/wrote:
> way. Most of the work I do requires all measure numbers to be
> displayed on the parts, so I change t
Hi,
In some rare cases is better to make a super-score with all the parts in
separated staves. Then extract the parts, layout them and print them and
after that mix the parts creating staves with several instruments to make a
nice conductor's score.
Javier Ruiz
Johannes Gebauer
> (About JW Space Systems)
> The
> only difference is the extra options for extra page margins, which can
> avoid rounding errors which still happen occasionally (with both JW and
> the built int tool).
But that is precisely its power. The ability to provide extra margins combi
On 22.12.2005 Robert Patterson wrote:
BTW: an absolutely essential tool for laying out parts is the free
plugin, JW Space Systems. It is vastly superior to the built-in
system spacing tools, which I have never been able to figure out how
to use. (Why bother, when JW Space Systems works so well.
At 10:50 AM 12/22/2005, Robert Patterson wrote:
>Once I have extracted a part, I still have to invest a huge amount of
>time in it, mainly for page layout, page turns, and tweaking the music
>spacing.
> It is
>nearly inconceivable that I would ever undertake that work twice.
Interesting. I gene
Johannes Gebauer
>
> Wouldn't it be easier to do this in the Parts-Score, ie once, instead of
> for every part?
In theory, perhaps. In practice, I don't trust Copy/Insert well enough. (It has
many bugs and omissions, even in Fin06 which I still don't use.) There are some
other obstacles as wel
On 22.12.2005 Robert Patterson wrote:
(Another big item is that I often concatenate extracted results from
several score files into a single part file.)
Wouldn't it be easier to do this in the Parts-Score, ie once, instead of
for every part?
Johannes
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At 10:50 AM 12/22/2005, Robert Patterson wrote:
>Once I have extracted a part, I still have to invest a huge amount of
>time in it, mainly for page layout, page turns, and tweaking the music
>spacing.
Yes, I do the same.
> It is
>nearly inconceivable that I would ever undertake that work twice.
> every now and then I find it beneficial to
> re-extract the parts.
Once I have extracted a part, I still have to invest a huge amount of time in
it, mainly for page layout, page turns, and tweaking the music spacing.
(Another big item is that I often concatenate extracted results from severa
At 11:08 PM 12/21/2005, Robert Patterson wrote:
>Either you enter it once in the score and once in the part,
>or you enter once in the score and once in the "parts score" and then
>copy from the "parts score" to the part. In this case, the "parts score"
>seems like an unnecessary extra step.
Yes
On 21.12.2005 Robert Patterson wrote:
The examples Brad and I have given for using an intermediate (and
temporary) copy of the score for part extraction seem to call into
question the value of linked scores and parts.
I think they would make it much easier - if implemented well.
In theory I
On 21.12.2005 David W. Fenton wrote:
Please explain to me why you need to do this. I don't get it, since
the settings for most things in parts are controllable simply by
setting them in the default parts page layout or at the time that you
extract parts.
What aspects of layout are fixed by fo
Aaron Sherber wrote:
Really? I keep my "parts score" around, in case I need to make
revisions. Copying and pasting changes from the main score to the parts
score is, for me, much faster than re-creating the parts score from the
main score, with all the cues, etc.
Eh? I agree with David i
Thank you gentlemen.
Dean
On Dec 21, 2005, at 4:11 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 06:21 PM 12/21/2005, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
>BTW, I've looked all over in my Mac2k6, and have not been able to
>find Smart Explosion, of which you speak. What is it, and where is
it?
It's part of the full TGTo
At 09:54 PM 12/21/2005, Robert Patterson wrote:
>First, you seem to have missed the point of forking. The forked score
>has a very short lifespan. It lives only from the time the score is
>finished until the time the parts have been extracted. Then it goes into
>the bit bucket.
Really? I keep my
This is how I do it.
I make a score that extracts parts correctly and extract them. When
that's done, I make a few changes (saving the new file as "score") -
some text blocks, page formatting, page set up, measure numbers -
things like that. It usually takes me a while. I keep that as th
I don't know why I bother answering the comments of such a committed
contrarian, but for the sake of other list members I will address some
of these questions.
First, you seem to have missed the point of forking. The forked score
has a very short lifespan. It lives only from the time the score
On 21 Dec 2005 at 21:51, Robert Patterson wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> >
> > What aspects of layout are fixed by forking the file before you
> > extract parts?
>
> It allows you to edit the score for extraction without affecting your
> clean score. These edits are likely to be
>
> 1.
At 06:21 PM 12/21/2005, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
>BTW, I've looked all over in my Mac2k6, and have not been able to
>find Smart Explosion, of which you speak. What is it, and where is it?
It's part of the full TGTools, available from www.tgtools.com
The TGTools Lite included with Fin2006 include
It's part of TGTools: http://tgtools.com
This, and the Patterson Plug-ins, are (in my opinion) necessary for
serious engraving work.
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Silence will save me from being wrong (and fooli
BTW, I've looked all over in my Mac2k6, and have not been able to
find Smart Explosion, of which you speak. What is it, and where is it?
Dean
On Dec 21, 2005, at 2:42 PM, Lee Actor wrote:
In addition to Brad's and Robert's examples, I'll add the following
items which are much easier to deal
In addition to Brad's and Robert's examples, I'll add the following items which
are much easier to deal with in an intermediate "parts" score:
1) font and position of measure numbers
2) position and format of page numbers
3) music spacing
For me these are all different in the parts than they are
Brad:
No, I haven't done much work yet, so that sounds as if may make the
most sense. I appreciate the wisdom of the list ...
Thanks,
Dean
On Dec 21, 2005, at 10:54 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
Actually, Dean, if you haven't done much work on the files since
extraction I would very much reco
On Dec 21, 2005, at 4:24 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 21 Dec 2005 at 10:54, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
Actually, Dean, if you haven't done much work on the files since
extraction I would very much recommend creating a separate Parts score
as Johannes suggested. I was under the impression that you
Well, I can only speak to my present case, but I found that after I
extracted the parts from the score, which was in legal size format,
and wished to print the parts in 8.5x11, when the parts opened up,
they needed a lot of adjusting from the default presentation.
Hairpins needed moving,
> -Original Message-
> From: Brad Beyenhof [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> In my earlier reply I neglected to mention this, which is a big issue
> for me as well.
>
The examples Brad and I have given for using an intermediate (and temporary)
copy of the score for part extraction seem to
On 12/21/05, Robert Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What aspects of layout are fixed by forking the file before you
> > extract parts?
>
> Item #4 (Miscellaneous) may include stuff like moving the titles
> on page 1 (and/or global titles) to match what you want in each
> part. For me, quit
On 12/21/05, David W. Fenton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What aspects of layout are fixed by forking the file before you
> extract parts?
Not layout per se, but certain things like the size of measure numbers
(or measure-expression rehearsal letters/numbers) or the inclusion of
measure number reg
> -Original Message-
>
> What aspects of layout are fixed by forking the file before you
> extract parts?
>
It allows you to edit the score for extraction without affecting your clean
score. These edits are likely to be
1. Preprocessing (e.g., TGTools Smart Explosion).
2. Cues.
3. Head
On 21 Dec 2005 at 10:54, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
> Actually, Dean, if you haven't done much work on the files since
> extraction I would very much recommend creating a separate Parts score
> as Johannes suggested. I was under the impression that you had already
> done some work on the files individua
Actually, Dean, if you haven't done much work on the files since
extraction I would very much recommend creating a separate Parts score
as Johannes suggested. I was under the impression that you had already
done some work on the files individually and didn't want to have to
re-extract. If this is n
Many Thanks.
Dean
On Dec 21, 2005, at 9:05 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
On 12/21/05, Dean M. Estabrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Dec 21, 2005, at 8:35 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
On 12/21/05, Dean M. Estabrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Question: do I have
to do all of these operations in
On 12/21/05, Dean M. Estabrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Dec 21, 2005, at 8:35 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
>> On 12/21/05, Dean M. Estabrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Question: do I have
>>> to do all of these operations individually to each part (file), or is
>>> there a way to do it t
On 21.12.2005 Brad Beyenhof wrote:
>Question: do I have
>> to do all of these operations individually to each part (file), or
is
>> there a way to do it to one and carry the changes across to all the
>> others? Using Mac 2006b.
The easiest way to do this is to use Robert Patterson's Settings
Thanks Brad. Where does one access the Settings Scrapbook?
Dean
On Dec 21, 2005, at 8:35 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
On 12/21/05, Dean M. Estabrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Question: do I have
to do all of these operations individually to each part (file), or is
there a way to do it to one a
On 12/21/05, Dean M. Estabrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Question: do I have
> to do all of these operations individually to each part (file), or is
> there a way to do it to one and carry the changes across to all the
> others? Using Mac 2006b.
The easiest way to do this is to use Robert Patt
You can adjust the part settings globally in the score file. See
options > page format > parts
You'll need to re-extract the parts to have the settings affect the parts.
-Carolyn
On 12/21/05, Dean M. Estabrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey Guys:
>
> I'm dealing with a large (28 Stave) band
Hey Guys:
I'm dealing with a large (28 Stave) band score. I've extracted the
parts, and need to edit several things, e.g., reducing the size of
the measure number boxes and their positioning, reducing the
percentage, etc. The score is in a legal size format, but I need the
parts to be in
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