Re: [FRIAM] I am Cancer, hear me roar! (with segue into Chimerism and Epigenetics)

Let's assume the bad behavior has nothing to do with the "increased mental acuity". What is the cancer drug he attributes to his discovery of time travel? The pharmaceutical company would no doubt like to know too. -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On

Re: [FRIAM] Good climate change skeptics

"My claim is the truly powerful do _not_ manipulate in the way you're describing. They are more surgical in their methods. The power gained by your coarser manipulation is temporary and fickle. The power gained by steadily punching holes in convictions is more permanent." Persuasion happens

Re: [FRIAM] Good climate change skeptics

"But both the path of least resistance and the cohesiveness of a social group depend, in fundamental ways, on a lack of conviction." The question is not "Should one use doubt to create fear?", the question is "Will someone use doubt to create fear?" (Someone almost always will.) The crafty

Re: [FRIAM] Good climate change skeptics

"There are these somewhat controversial papers that indicate medium-term fasting (more than 48 hours) assists the therapy in triggering apoptosis (good cell death that minimizes free toxins) and reducing necrosis (bad cell death where toxins roam a bit more freely). She maintains that people

Re: [FRIAM] Good climate change skeptics

faced with contradictory evidence. And I'll take that opinion to my grave. //* On 09/23/2015 12:40 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > In practice, the tactic of creating doubt tends to be more about creating > fear, and decreasing the resolve of the opponent, than it is about increasing >

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

“Transhumanism is a great Sci-Fi narrative, but not a good bet for us in the long run.” Well, http://www.nature.com/articles/srep22555 http://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2016/06/01/science.aaf6850.full FRIAM Applied

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

`` I'm pretty much a luddite myself, or at least "conservative" in the sense of believing that we are outdriving our headlights on many fronts.'' Experiments can be risky but sometimes they pay off.. http://discovermagazine.com/2010/mar/07-dr-drank-broth-gave-ulcer-solved-medical-mystery

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

"The problem is this unjustified dichotomy between machine and biology." There isn't engineering practice in place for developing programmable nanomachines in the way there is for fabricating circuits, but biology demonstrates it is possible. It could be we work from the bottom, learning how

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

ing, vis a vis what happens when you just give poor people money. -- rec -- On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com<mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: I suspect a universal basic income is a requirement for people to _not_ seek an idle life.If peopl

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

``I can't help but wonder about our conceptual need for "digital" abstractions.'' For example, quantum calculations can be performed on digital computer, or by an artificial system made up of superconducting Josephson junctions, or observed in crystal structures.There are tradeoffs between

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

Nah, we’re just a media for representing knowledge. Not a obviously a very efficient one, either. I mean, wasting all that time in school, only to forget much of it and then hopefully become a professional expert in some tiny area. And a lot of people won’t even accomplish that, but

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

I suspect a universal basic income is a requirement for people to _not_ seek an idle life.If people can't count on food, shelter, and health care, they probably can't engage in anything in a substantial way.On the other hand, saving the people that could do substantial things (and by

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

`` I'll not only consider them. I'll be in the front of the line ... as long as they let lower middle class morons like me in the line at all. I suspect it'll be packed with Trumps, Musks, Thiels, and Bransons. '' They wouldn't do a Mars One (one way) trip. They are thriving in this

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

``But one article of faith I'm having a hard time killing is that if _we_ go anywhere (including across some abstract singularity as well as to Mars), we'll _all_ have to go, or at least some kernel of us with a chance of growing into a robust ecosystem.'' That "we" entered into the discussion

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

If some subset of humanity build a general artificial intelligence, and that intelligence takes over, or leaves, I don't see what gut biomes or ISIS matter. Nor do I see why wonkiness (w.r.t. Glen's last e-mail) must occur within a (sub)population of cybernetic or genetically engineered

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

`` I have no idea, which is why I called it "faith" and hand-waved toward the inadequate closures of our current machines. '' Bah. I'll see your "You kids get off my lawn" and raise you a "Save it just keep it off my wave" .. In particular David Brooks can save it.. Marcus

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

3:18 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns On 06/10/2016 11:22 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Bah. I'll see your "You kids get off my lawn" and raise you a "Sa

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

``In major metropolises like New York City, the introduction of the internal combustion engine cleared the majority of the "disease-causing" horse manure buildup in the streets (daily!) and it took 50 or more years for the replacement consequences to come home to roost.'' Speaking of which..

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [1st-mile-nm] GAO report: Feds spend billions to run ancient technology

While overpriced, these days aren’t they virtualized Power 7s? From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Tom Johnson Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 4:18 PM Subject: [FRIAM] Fwd: [1st-mile-nm] GAO report: Feds spend billions to run ancient technology I guess I should stop

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

( written from the POV of an AI (if that's even possible)) Speaking of robot overlords, after listening to this starting to think that trade agreements are less about trade than about big data. C On 6/10/16 3:21 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > s/white guys playing basketball/scientists with

Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

"But those dogs who aren't fixed might have puppies who will begin learning the lesson." 1) bite hard, say, around the neck or underbelly, and without hesitation 2) make lots of puppies Marcus FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv

Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

Despair wasn't what I was getting from the body language of David and Samantha Cameron. Perhaps kind like Boehner..? http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/26/opinion/sunday/hell-is-other-britons.html -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly

Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

d exercise for the humans? -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ? Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 3:15 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England On 06/27/2016 01:59 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Despair wasn't what I was getting

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy (lost in the weeks?)

Why should less productive individuals enjoy “psychological safety” if they aren’t essential to getting the job done?Perhaps so when they are let go, they will be so surprised and disoriented they won’t act in an organized aggressive fashion towards those that are essential and to

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy (lost in the weeks?)

“What type of prospective employee would sacrifice personal measures of productivity for group measures?” What I’m suggesting is that the group measures may not serve the group benefit. By being sensitive to vulnerability and insensitive to competitive pressures, the whole ship may be put

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity, intimacy, experience

“I think we're been around this curve before with Nick saying that he would grant that a robot feels pain if it acts as if it does convincingly enough.” A cybernetic organism based on a human might feel pain like humans do. But with different hardware one should expect different sorts of

Re: [FRIAM] IMSI catchers

We wouldn’t want it to fall into the wrong hands, that’s for sure! Who knows SDR equipment might get donated to the local Makerspace and they wouldn’t have thought about the consequences. I don’t think they should be denied

Re: [FRIAM] go programs

I think a deep neural network trained from self play has a subjective, and even inscrutable inner representation. Imagine such techniques were applied to public policy decisions or medical diagnosis. Without a linguistic component that co-evolved to describe a taken action, one could be left

Re: [FRIAM] Here's to the 1%!

IMO it is not the ratcheting or inertia in technical legal thinking that bothers me, it is that ultimately decisions still fall into the hands of a small elite, albeit a different one.If no one believed that judges can steer society to the left or the right -- there would not be fights

Re: [FRIAM] Here's to the 1%!

lief might produce a pretty powerful combination for manipulating people into "taking one for the team". On 04/05/2016 05:03 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > Thanks, Marcus, now we know how to get things sorted out here on FRIAM, > > -- rec -- > > On Mon, Apr 4, 201

Re: [FRIAM] subjectivity and brain scans

Here’s an older one from one of the authors that is free. The new paper gets at directionality – the beginnings of starting to infer the `state machine’. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0896627312004874 From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Merle Lefkoff

Re: [FRIAM] Ting Internet | Crazy fast fiber Internet for US cities

ckthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 2:04 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com<mailto:friam@redfish.com>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Ting Internet | Crazy fast

Re: [FRIAM] Ting Internet | Crazy fast fiber Internet for US cities

“My Inner Luddite assumes that the chief drivers of broadband-envy are gaming and movie downloads. He finds neither of these activities morally urgent.” Most companies make some effort to protect their information resources. One way they do this is with virtual private networks (VPNs).

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity, intimacy, experience

“That set up has the benefit, among other things, of making the question you raise a clearly scientifically tractable issue. There should be no difference in how we go about trying to answer the question "what is iron" or "what is gorilla" or "what is the rate of sea level rise" and how we go

Re: [FRIAM] The Unbearable Asymmetry of Bullshit | Quillette

"Earp is guilty of the precise fallacy of which he accuses others, building a straw man named Voldemort, then pelting it with self-righteous insults and indignation. What's that? A 1,720 word article full of bias and myopia?!? How much effort would it take to argue with Earp's bullsh!t? ...

Re: [FRIAM] The Unbearable Asymmetry of Bullshit | Quillette

``To boot, the ridicule/shaming/intimidation tactics they practice reach far beyond the open public spaces in which they spout their ridicule. (Think Dawkins.) It can pry into the very souls of younger community members and haunt the dreams of authentic researchers. Is this really very

Re: [FRIAM] Ting Internet | Crazy fast fiber Internet for US cities

litate the installation of 1 gig service in her town? N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 10

Re: [FRIAM] Ting Internet | Crazy fast fiber Internet for US cities

eritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 11:39 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@re

Re: [FRIAM] Ting Internet | Crazy fast fiber Internet for US cities

into a one-gig sort of an activity? N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 2:04 PM T

Re: [FRIAM] Ting Internet | Crazy fast fiber Internet for US cities

“The rest of us have to get our I-net service by dial up or cell tower. The connections to the Cell tower are metered, so that if you fall asleep at your computer and it decides to download an update, you could wake up from your nap with a 150 dollar phone bill. “ I worry that 5G will take is

Re: [FRIAM] subjectivity and brain scans

[NST==>I persist in not seeing the relevance of the physiological information to the question of the nature of consciousness or, if one prefers, the question of how it makes sense to talk about consciousness. I assume [from my vast store of ignorance] that computer folks would all agree that

Re: [FRIAM] subjectivity and brain scans

Motives are, however, purely mental constructs that are not directly observable. [NST==>Another knee-slapper. Granting to the author the notion that the word “drive” is equivalent to some notion of “cause”, we learn that behaviors are caused by purely mental constructs. How could anything be

Re: [FRIAM] subjectivity and brain scans

I’d like to see a contrast between, say, bleeding heart liberals, and the more cunning or hawkish ones.How does Bernie compare to Hillary?Do they both have the same motive indicators / emotional response, and then modulate it in different ways as actions are taken or not? From: Friam

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy (lost in the weeks?)

nk so as to avoid implicitly encouraging others to read the article. I have no such scruples: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/magazine/what-google-learned-from-its-quest-to-build-the-perfect-team.html On 02/29/2016 10:18 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Why should less productive individuals enjo

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity, intimacy, experience

[NST==>So, I take it that from this last sentence, in red, you would define hunger as a pattern of activity in the brain that is predictive of feeding behavior, right. But not all feeding behavior, right? Only feeding behavior that is preceded by deprivation? What if you got feeding

[FRIAM] Here's to the 1%!

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[FRIAM] genetic programming, take 2

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/352/6281/aac7341 (just wait till the anti-GMO crowd catches on..) FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe

Re: [FRIAM] Tagged "Get off my lawn!"

In the early days of Linux there was a period where they fastest way to figure out what was going on was to grab the source and study it. Contrast that with the current world of Stack Exchange and Google.There’s enough information out there that I suspect many people may never learn to do

Re: [FRIAM] Tagged "Get off my lawn!"

"So, I'm glad it's all peek these days. It means we're builing shoulders on which later generations stand. The opposite situation would be _sad_, say if everyone had to learn quantum mechanics just to add numbers together ... or if everyone had to know how to surface mount with a hot plate in

Re: [FRIAM] Tagged "Get off my lawn!"

to assert that there is no order or pattern to specialization seems wrong (at least too strong). On 05/09/2016 03:37 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > One can learn to program in, say, Python without understanding a given > machine instruction set.One can even learn a subset, and have a correct

Re: [FRIAM] Tagged "Get off my lawn!"

where ... oops, my phone just dinged. On 05/09/2016 04:26 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > If you have a closure over the whole universe and you are given one knob to > turn, and once doing so out pops a new projection of the world you can see, > then you 1) don't necessarily s

Re: [FRIAM] Tagged "Get off my lawn!"

16 9:42 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Tagged "Get off my lawn!" On 05/11/2016 06:45 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Most us have to stay on top of things, though. Hopefully, though, it is not > the onl

Re: [FRIAM] Tagged "Get off my lawn!"

" [*] Yes, many of us can successfully "jockey" from one role to another as our skills shift from "fast reflexes" to "wisdom of age". But even the most successful jockeys eventually fade away." If anything I'm more breadth oriented than I used to be. It's more a like a cash flow thing. I

Re: [FRIAM] Tagged "Get off my lawn!"

hich turns out to be motivated reasoning. On 05/11/2016 11:08 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > If anything I'm more breadth oriented than I used to be. It's more a like a > cash flow thing. I know I'll have to jettison a lot of attention and > short/medium term memory to do depth, and so I t

Re: [FRIAM] The Unbearable Asymmetry of Bullshit | Quillette

<> >From a machine learning perspective, politics is ensemble weak learning. His >is just without logical constraints between the weak learners.I think it >is more likely his actions are without purpose or coherent ideology. He's not >gaming different constituencies to get his way, he

Re: [FRIAM] Document management

An in-house drone to sort through similar things like the pile on the kitchen table? (If nothing else, it would entertain a pet.) http://uploads.movidius.com/1461814467-Fathom-Combined-2-pager.pdf From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Arlo Barnes Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016

Re: [FRIAM] Here’s Why I’m a Proud Godzilla Supporter - The New Yorker

"Too few people think of humans as fundamentally a product of evolution for the map between him and evolution to work." If some Chinook helicopters dropped Mr. Godzilla in the advocates' towns, that would solve the larger problem than Godzilla himself.Then there wouldn't need to be the

Re: [FRIAM] Here’s Why I’m a Proud Godzilla Supporter - The New Yorker

Glen writes: "I'm leaning more towards Godzilla as escaped GMO." Plain old evolution is scarier.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Happening_%282008_film%29 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at

Re: [FRIAM] Here’s Why I’m a Proud Godzilla Supporter - The New Yorker

“Godzilla is a job creator. Just look at his time in Hokkaido—after he cut a swathe of destruction through that city, suddenly construction guys, doctors, and even funeral directors were working around the clock.” But how many people can Godzilla eat in one day? Let’s not diminish the value

[FRIAM] if you see something, say something

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/rampage/wp/2016/05/07/ivy-league-economist-interrogated-for-doing-math-on-american-airlines-flight FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to

Re: [FRIAM] Monitoring Data Usage

One idea would be to configure your web browser to use a proxy server that was a parental control router. http://www.blocksi.net/parental-control.php Then you could use the analytics in the router software to study your own behavior (instead of a child’s). There may be cloud-based services for

Re: [FRIAM] Narcissism and Mass Shootings

"In this context, mass shootings, fascism, kids who can't hold down jobs walking around with vape pipes in their mouths and earbuds in their ears, etc. are all evidence that evolution is searching for a _new_ solution to the new problem." The auto-immune analogy would seem say that the

Re: [FRIAM] TPP pro and con

If the government is serious about supporting the service economy, rather than trying to figure out ways to protect U.S. intellectual property, I would suggest we turn it around and figure out ways to undermine other countries' intellectual property. Obviously from a trade perspective it is

Re: [FRIAM] Seagate has a 60TB solid state drive now | TechCrunch

The `first’ bottom in sight.. http://www.nature.com/nnano/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nnano.2016.131.html From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Tom Johnson Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 4:23 PM Subject: [FRIAM] Seagate has a 60TB solid state drive now | TechCrunch Where

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Re: Understanding you-folks

Glen wrote: 1) Rosen: loopiness/closure, [..] (1) has to do with higher order operations. A variable takes on meaning when (partially) convolved into an anticipatory agent ... some process that expects/anticipates the future. I'm not sure if this is what you are getting at, but

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Re: Understanding you-folks

ting). Once the state makes the ruling, then that property (telecommuting) is "hard" bound/grounded one way or the other. On 07/13/2016 06:58 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > I'm not sure if this is what you are getting at, but would the following > scenario also be an instance o

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Re: Understanding you-folks

``Hence, we'll end up with at least 2 types of computation, anyway, the one called "living systems" versus the purely mechanical ... even if, in full reduction, they are fundamentally the same kind. So, we may as well allow the distinction now and see where it takes us. '' When the result

Re: [FRIAM] Understanding you-folks

"Ask" could be a higher order function that takes as an argument a "says" function. Provided those are made precise enough to be operational, then you would have a "consult the Oracle" program/algorithm. Details such as "how to acquire the Dad" (and what to do in his absence) would need to be

Re: [FRIAM] Understanding you-folks

are computations. Not so smart, after all, eh? Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: We

Re: [FRIAM] Understanding you-folks

``Whether something fits the intuitive concept of "computation" usually ends up being about binding (or grounding). If it's all merely syntactic manipulation of symbols, then it's computation. If it's something more, if it _means_ something, then it's no longer computation.'' One way to

Re: [FRIAM] Understanding you-folks

"your fishing expedition will likely be thwarted in waters that are exceeding turbulent from the interaction of prevailing trends: nothing exists except information, (re)configurations of that information yield transformations of the Universe from one state to another, and all

Re: [FRIAM] Understanding you-folks

"Not to change the subject, but make an observation: It has always been my opinion that, had software development as a profession and practice been derived from the computational science of Ramon Lull and Leibniz instead of the computer science of Turing and Simon (Sciences of the Artificial)

Re: [FRIAM] Understanding you-folks

rofessor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 2:47 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Re: Understanding you-folks

"Where does vernacular "computation" stop and this high-falutin fancy-pants "computation" begin? The same sort of question occurs in questions about the neural correlates of consciousness." I don't buy there is a meaningful distinction -- I mean one that should be preserved -- between those

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Re: Understanding you-folks

"OK. But you did express that you thought the distinction (between paper math and computation) isn't meaningful (at least not in perpetuity). Yet you admit that (in perpetuity) we should preserve the distinction at least for the sake of efficiency/performance. You have to admit that can seem

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Re: Understanding you-folks

eaningful to try to dissolve the distinction. But that doesn't devalue the tasks and thinking that rely on the distinction. On 07/07/2016 11:18 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > When the result of a calculation is surprising, it is typical that people dig > up analytical results to test against

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Re: Understanding you-folks

"It's interesting and meaningful to ask whether or not computers can do the math humans do. I think the answer keeps coming up "yes" ... but people smarter than me are not convinced. So, we shouldn't be stubbornly reductionist. It hurts nobody to let them have the distinction ... at least

Re: [FRIAM] Understanding you-folks

Can one “compute” the square root of two? One can calculate using real or imaginary number types, but on can also calculate with expression types. Most modern programming languages have them these days. So one can also “compute” on objects that relate concepts to one another.For

Re: [FRIAM] TPP pro and con

ogy Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 12:37 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com&

Re: [FRIAM] TPP pro and con

"Among the big losers - those who gained little or nothing - were those at the bottom and the middle and working classes in the advanced countries." Is that not only expected, but even intended? Globalization gives people opportunities that don't have them and takes them away from an overly

Re: [FRIAM] TPP pro and con

an economic sense. The result is to create a world economy where each citizen is given equal rights and privileges. And median income. On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com<mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: "Among the big losers - those who ga

Re: [FRIAM] TPP pro and con

A disagreement may be lurking here, if you assume that wealth and capability are the same. Or even if you assume that they are highly correlated. Or even if you assume that the causal arrow is from capability to wealth. I’m making the distinction because in many situations wealth may well be

Re: [FRIAM] TPP pro and con

Owen writes: “Oddly enough, this is somewhat like Open Source and its Licensing. What's to prevent someone from forking your repo and making it their own? (Happened with one of mine). But because the license was GPLv3, they weren't able to change the license and had to suffer some issues. It

Re: [FRIAM] Narcissism and Mass Shootings

" Granted the 'sovereign citizens' are very different from the Trumpists and the mass shooters." One is a wolf, one is a OCD barker that goes on all night, and the other is a feral biter that roams the neighborhood. They are all canidae.No offense to dogs intended. Marcus

Re: [FRIAM] Narcissism and Mass Shootings

What if the age of the middle class is just gone?It seems inevitable that robotics and gradual improvements to machine learning and then artificial intelligence will displace more and more workers.What the trend toward concentration of wealth is really just the first sign of a necessary

Re: [FRIAM] Narcissism and Mass Shootings

“It has been suggested that Nixon and Coolidge were the only card carrying introverts with Jefferson and Madison being functionally introverted because of there extreme scholarly nature. Adams (senior, not JQ) also gets a nod. The rest are pretty likely not particularly introverted. It

Re: [FRIAM] Narcissism and Mass Shootings

On 08/01/2016 01:28 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > I don't think a reader should be forced to choose between (1) or (2), but I > would prefer that the writer be aware enough to refer to context rather than > restating it as if it were their invent

Re: [FRIAM] Globalism in the age of populism? .. & Open Source Software

Vladimyr writes: "So today I learned that the KKK were handing out flyers in Canada. I don't believe they can take the cold, so it is probably nonsense. " I've heard this reasoning before! http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-minnesota-too-cold-for-syrian-refugees/article/2576501

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

Steve writes: > I *did* like the image of AI offered up in the movie "She" a few years ago. Pamela writes: > Me too, especially how lonely the humans were when their AI pals deserted > them because frankly, they were too boring. Well, I was rooting for

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

Steve writes: "Maybe... but somehow I'm not a lot more confident in the *product* of humans who make bad decisions making *better* decisions?" Nowadays machine learning is much more unsupervised.Self-taught, if you will. Such a consciousness might reasonably decide, "Oh they created us

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

" AlphaGo itself isn't scary it's what comes next and so on and how quickly these advances are progressing that give some great minds cause for concern." I just hope it comes soon. Humans aren't making very good decisions lately. Marcus

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

things up. >> They have outlived their usefulness. Better to just get rid of them." >> >> -JS >> >> >> On 1/31/17 7:41 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >>> Steve writes: >>> >>> "Maybe... but somehow

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

t;> >> wrote: >> >> In a book I read several years ago, whose title I cannot recall, the >> conclusion was: "They may have created us, but they keep gumming things up. >> They have outlived their usefulness. Better to just get rid of them." >>

Re: [FRIAM] loopiness (again)

< In our post-fact world, to which communities does any particular person belong? ... to the ones you think you belong to? ... to the ones that respond to your calls to action? > I could say I belong to the `community' of some large code projects, e.g. on github. I share an understanding

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Yuck. < We should probably all practice saying, “There’s no evidence for that, but the important thing is … ” and “Well, I disagree, but let’s say you’re right. What about … ” without

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"But what I'm trying to distinguish is whether or not such a commonality/normalization can occur _without_ actions, solely with thoughts, memes, and non-face-to-face words. I think not. I think the actions in the richer medium of meat space is required for that normalization." For a robot

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Glen writes: < This is one of the fundamental criticisms of the concept of memes. "The problem with communication is the illusion that it exists." There are no shared ideas; no shared understanding. There is only shared action, mediated by some medium, which is why Steve's broaching of the

Re: [FRIAM] loopiness (again)

02/07/2017 01:17 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > For a robot built on digital technology, sensor data would be quantized to > bits, thus non face-to-face words. I don't think so. Proprioception is a critical type of sensor data, especially enteroception. While it may seem like the ro

Re: [FRIAM] loopiness (again)

Glen writes: "I'd argue the majority of our opinions and decisions are made according to the communities with which we identify, not according to some idealistic rationality." I accept these are your assumptions. I find it to be misrepresentation of the most interesting people, but a

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, it's plausible that the lossy and faulty integration is necessary for robustness. (Although I can't rely on it, I at least have Hewitt to cite: http://www.powells.com/book/inconsistency-robustness-9781848901599/61-1) On 02/07/2017 01:42 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Ok, one could imagine

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