Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-18 Thread Krow Magnum
On 8/18/05, Peter Saint James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17 Aug 2005, at 1:26 PM, Brian wrote: Mostly, though, PC users who really know computers simply don't like apple as a company, or they don't like how elitist mac users can sometimes appear. Well, yes, but if

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-18 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Aug 17, 2005, at 9:45 PM, Timothy Luoma wrote: Microsoft claims that it's got the problem on its radar, and that Vista will stop the rot. [rght... raise your hand if you buy it...] This is Microsoft after all...you raise BOTH hands if you buy it. :-P -- Bruce Johnson This is

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-18 Thread Tom Ethen
What a great reason to keep a computer system that requires maintenance on a regular level instead of going with one that Takes a licken and keeps on ticken to steal a lone from Timex! Tom On 8/18/05 8:20 AM, Krow Magnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mostly, though, PC users who really know

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-18 Thread TjL
.. Original Message ... On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:57:43 -0700 Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is Microsoft after all...you raise BOTH hands if you buy it. :-P raise both hands, reach down and firmly grasp both ankles, and wait for Microsoft to give it to you -- G-Books

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-18 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Aug 18, 2005, at 2:05 PM, Paul Stamsen wrote: My reply follows quote. On 8/18/05, at 12:45 am -0400, Timothy Luoma wrote: On Aug 17, 2005, at 7:50 PM, Krow Magnum wrote: How many Macs have you had die on you ? How many peecees ? It's not so much the dying which can happen

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-18 Thread Brendan Black
http://www.oreillynet.com/lpt/wlg/7565 Leave out the colon at the end of the URL and the link will work. My reply follows quote. On 8/18/05, at 12:45 am -0400, Timothy Luoma wrote: On Aug 17, 2005, at 7:50 PM, Krow Magnum wrote: How many Macs have you had die on you ? How many peecees ?

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-17 Thread Howard Katz
On 8/17/05, Krow Magnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good for you ! Just what are they teaching them ? Having a closed mind in education is a crime. Hopefully you can spread a little knowledge with your book. The sad part is that this college caters to teacher education. The OT people are

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-17 Thread Krow Magnum
On 8/17/05, Howard Katz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The sad part is that this college caters to teacher education. The OT people are actually a separate company that came in a few years ago. Perpetuating idiocy.. Dumb down the teachers and it will keep the students stupid. I can't tell

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-17 Thread Dan K
I think flogging off surplus equipment like this is a terrific idea. If they had auctioned off the lot in bulk, they wouldn't have gotten much more than $50 each anyhow. Better the iBooks stay in the community that originally paid for them. That way the community gets the benefit rather than

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-17 Thread Howard Katz
A small clip from the BBC article about the riot: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4159678.stm It's rather strange that we would have such a tremendous response for the purchase of a laptop computer, and laptop computers that probably have less-than- desirable attributes, said Paul Proto,

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-17 Thread Mike K
Microsoft didn't have to work too hard. How many people continue to buy junk automobiles that last 2 or 3 years and are worth very little if anything by the time they are paid off. I include most American made cars in that group of junk Same as junk peecees. It's become a throw-away society

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-17 Thread Karen Thompson
crime in education. Open your mind! kt From: Howard Katz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:50:50 -0500 To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Subject: Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA On 8/17/05, Krow Magnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-17 Thread Brian
mind! kt From: Howard Katz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:50:50 -0500 To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Subject: Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA On 8/17/05, Krow Magnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good for you ! Just what are they teaching

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-17 Thread Kurt Cypher
Brian wrote: I hate it when campuses go all PC. It really has nothing to do with doing the job better or saving money, it's really about a staff of incompetent IT personnel who refuse to learn anything but the most basic PC skills. Take the school I go to: all PC network, and the IT

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-17 Thread Krow Magnum
On 8/17/05, Mike K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its not that American cars are junk it's that a lot of people don't know how to take care of them. Change the oil and perform regular maintenance and 200k + miles is not a problem. I've had several American cars last this long, foreign too. Working

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-17 Thread Howard Katz
If the Mac spoke for itself we'd have the majority of the market share. :) Of course, it would have helped if Apple did what IBM did, and allowed others access to the ROMs so clones could have been made. No, PC wonks have convinced the public that theirs machines are true computers and Macs are

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-17 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Aug 17, 2005, at 11:08 AM, Kurt Cypher wrote: We've lost several Mac UNIX labs over the past few years because they weren't getting enough use, and we'll save money by standardizing the labs. With the volume deals that our supplier of XP boxes gives us, we actually do save some

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-17 Thread Brian
You bring up a good point that I completely missed. These are management decisions, not general IT decisions. I'm sorry, I've just become biased dealing with the incompetent IT at the school I go to who've actually told me, months after I started using my iBook on their wireless network

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-17 Thread Brian
Problems with situations like these is that management either surrounds themselves with inadequate accounting staff who do not properly look into the options available, or they do not listen to their accounting staff. Good accounting staff would work closely with IT to find the best

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-17 Thread darm0k
At 01:31 PM -0600 08/17/2005, Mike K wrote: I disagree again, peecees are thrown away because they die at an alarming rate and the parts of the most common computers are the cheapest low-bid parts they can find. It has nothing to do with technology. Macs don't die, except for CRT iMacs of

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-17 Thread david
This argument has a huge flaw. Once upon a time a Mac was seriously over engineered but they are not today. A Mac largely uses components that come right off the shelf the same as PC manufacturers. The only exception would be the logic board but even there Apple is using far fewer custom

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-17 Thread Krow Magnum
On 8/17/05, Mike K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PC's and Macs become obsolete because of advances in technology and software requirements, not because people throw them away. I disagree again, peecees are thrown away because they die at an alarming rate and the parts of the most common

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-17 Thread Krow Magnum
On 8/17/05, david [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This argument has a huge flaw. Once upon a time a Mac was seriously over engineered but they are not today. A Mac largely uses components that come right off the shelf the same as PC manufacturers. The only exception would be the logic board but even

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-17 Thread darm0k
At 07:54 PM -0400 08/17/2005, Krow Magnum wrote: On 8/17/05, david [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This argument has a huge flaw. Once upon a time a Mac was seriously over engineered but they are not today. Everything is off some shelf somewhere But Mac parts don't come off the bottom shelf or

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-17 Thread Timothy Luoma
On Aug 17, 2005, at 7:50 PM, Krow Magnum wrote: How many Macs have you had die on you ? How many peecees ? It's not so much the dying which can happen anywhere, but the WinRot: http://www.oreillynet.com/lpt/wlg/7565: Will Vista Clean Up WinRot? by Preston Gralla Aug. 9, 2005 [my comments

$50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-16 Thread Karen Thompson
I heard on the news this afternoon there was a stampede at UVA and people got hurt waiting in line to buy a $50 iBook. Police had to be brought in to quiet the crowd. Other people were talking around me so couldn't hear why it started. Anyone know? Anyone out there actually go? If it sounds too

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-16 Thread Alan Miller
On Tuesday, August 16, 2005, at 05:31 PM, Karen Thompson wrote: I heard on the news this afternoon there was a stampede at UVA and people got hurt waiting in line to buy a $50 iBook. Police had to be brought in to quiet the crowd. Other people were talking around me so couldn't hear why it

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-16 Thread Alan Miller
On Tuesday, August 16, 2005, at 05:40 PM, Karen Thompson wrote: Thanks for that link. The whole thing is rather scary and a public relations nightmare (but maybe good press for Apple). Bet they won't do it that way again. The funniest thing about it all is if you noticed there were about

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-16 Thread Steve Fuller
The best thing would have been for the police or whoever was in charge to start turning away people after there were 1000 in line. Such a simple thing to do and it wasn't done... Steve -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-16 Thread Laurent Daudelin
On 16/08/05 17:50, Alan Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, August 16, 2005, at 05:40 PM, Karen Thompson wrote: Thanks for that link. The whole thing is rather scary and a public relations nightmare (but maybe good press for Apple). Bet they won't do it that way again. The

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-16 Thread Karen Thompson
@mail.maclaunch.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:24:23 -0500 To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Subject: Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA On Tuesday, August 16, 2005, at 05:31 PM, Karen Thompson wrote: I heard on the news this afternoon there was a stampede at UVA Unbelievable! And I have to wonder how many

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-16 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Aug 16, 2005, at 4:23 PM, Karen Thompson wrote: Only in America! It's a sad commentary on money, greed and conspicuous consumption in this country. If you think Only in America, oh, dear, you are so, sooo wrong...greed is a natural human condition. I think you are right Michelle,

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-16 Thread Alan Miller
CBS even did a story about it on the national news at 6:30. said there was over 5000 people, and even had some footage of them opening the gates. The problem was it was held at the race way, and the building was not close to the gate they opened so everyone went running for the

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-16 Thread Karen Thompson
. kt From: Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:42:39 -0700 To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Subject: Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA On Aug 16, 2005, at 4:23 PM, Karen Thompson wrote: Only in America! It's a sad commentary

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-16 Thread Brian
/a Ego Alley. But then there are other rivals, Newport, RI and Auckland, New Zealand. kt From: Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:42:39 -0700 To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Subject: Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA On Aug 16

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-16 Thread Alan Miller
On Tuesday, August 16, 2005, at 08:27 PM, Karen Thompson wrote: I realize greed is a natural human condition but I've traveled all over the world and have never seen in other countries what I've seen here. The best example for me is to stand at the airport and wait for luggage on the

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-16 Thread Karen Thompson
] Reply-To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:38:42 -0500 To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Subject: Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA I hate it when campuses go all PC. It really has nothing to do with doing the job better or saving money, it's really about a staff

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-16 Thread Karen Thompson
From: Alan Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:41:31 -0400 To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Subject: Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA On Tuesday, August 16, 2005, at 08:27 PM, Karen Thompson wrote: I realize greed is a natural

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-16 Thread Karen Thompson
So true! It's not a rant, just a reality! kt From: Alan Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:41:31 -0400 To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Subject: Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA On Tuesday, August 16, 2005, at 08:27 PM, Karen

Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA

2005-08-16 Thread Krow Magnum
On 8/16/05, Karen Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is disgusting when students are not given the opportunity to explore different operating systems. And yes, it is the IT staff that have no imagination or inclination to learn another OS. They are biased and just plain lazy. I'm