Not to mention JAWS was probably a lot less of a pain to say than Job Access
with Speech. LOL.
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From: Thomas Ward
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 10:10 PM
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Hi Dennis,
You are absolutely right, and I guess it was assumed everyone on this
list understood the fact that most of these blind organizations exist
to help with basic independent living skills as well as employment for
clients. As you have surmised the reason they do not pay much
attention to g
Now, work for either a draw or, even better, a win. Then, try winning when
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Hi Dark,
It is hard to say. Remember Jaws for Dos and Flipper both came out
about the same time in the late 80's. I'm not even sure which one came
out first since I wasn't blind at the time the screen readers came
out, and thus had no reason to be interested in them until years
after the fact.
W
Chess is one of those games you never really stop learning. Just keep
playing, keep watching the board, keep trying to see moves ahead.
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] bg ch
I played at the beginner skill level to a stalemate.
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On 6/16/2015 4:23 PM, Charles Rivard wrote:
The more you play and learn from your mistakes, the better you'll
get. I find that I will improve more if I never use the hints
feature. It is easy to start usi
Sorry for the offense. Here's where I was coming from when I wrote it:
Time and time again, a link is provided in a post, and people will ask
questions that were clearly answered in the link that was given. It really
gets frustrating. Most of the time, it is obvious that people don't use the
I always thought of a Perkins brailler as a brailler, not a typewriter.
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The more you play and learn from your mistakes, the better you'll get. I
find that I will improve more if I never use the hints feature. It is easy
to start using that feature as a crutch. If you rely on the hints, you are
not using your own skill.
I haven't played this particular chess pro
My thoughts exactly Dennis. Have been trying to express the same thought
without sounding NFB nazi. Actually, the NFB convention will be hosting a
seminar on accessible gaming this year, but no other information on what the
topics will be was posted on the agenda, so I will wait and see what the
Interesting, though I still do wonder with all the marine names if "job
access with speech" was thought up after the fact and the name is still
related to flipper sinse it sounds pretty clunky to me as if it was an
acronym matched to an existing name, still I suppose we'll never know.
It's a s
>From my rooting around on the web sites, I think I understand why the
various blind organizations don't give games much lip service. It's
not so much that they hate games or haven't heard about them; is that
they're focused on helping blind people survive and provide for
themselves.
Specifically
hey i managed to get a stale mate on bg chess without any hints from the
computer! I guess chess is just something I have to practice and have
fun with, right?
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Hi Dark,
I got you now. Actually, Orca's name isn't derived from Flipper but from Jaws.
As I understand it the guy who started the project was a Jaws user so
wanted to name his screen reader Jaws or something like it. Since Orca
is the name of killer whales he named it Orca in honor of Jaws. By t
Hi Tom.
Well I wasn't thinking as far as organizations installing demos or the like
sinse I'd imagine getting people to do that would be a hassle for a number
of reasons. as I said, I was just thinking a sort of general leaflet that
people could find and look atwhich was an introduction and o
I believe that's also where Hal the computer got its name. As for JAWS I
would have guessed the film from the 1970's about the shark.
Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
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From: dark
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 11:43 AM
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Subject: Re:
Hi tom.
Ah, rereading my message I see where my phrasing went a bit wrong. what I
meant as reggards Dolphin and Orca is that both derived their names from the
flipper screen reader, not that Dolphin developed Orca which they obviously
do not :D.
As for Jaws, I was told that fact by someone f
well it says it will be 300 british pounds. so that will be about 470 US
dollars to buy it.
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On 6/16/2015 1:20 PM, john wrote:
Actually, didn't see a link. Do you think you could have left off the
question at the end - its demeaning and insulting. It also mean
the link is http://bristolbraille.co.uk/
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On 6/16/2015 1:20 PM, john wrote:
Actually, didn't see a link. Do you think you could have left off the
question at the end - its demeaning and insulting. It also means I'm writing
this, instead of saying thanks for le
Actually, didn't see a link. Do you think you could have left off the
question at the end - its demeaning and insulting. It also means I'm writing
this, instead of saying thanks for letting me know.
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back 15 years ago at pittsburg vision services they had shades of doom
demos and a few others installed on their computers.
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On 6/16/2015 12:23 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:
Hi Dark,
Point well taken. I am sure a general pamphlet explaining to people
what audio game
perkins braillers are nearly $800. this braille display will be a little
over $600.
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On 6/16/2015 12:21 PM, Charles Rivard wrote:
This sounds encouraging. I'm not sure what was meant in the press
release by being less expensive than a (quote) braille typewrit
yes that's true. guess the best we can do is spread the word or try to
spread word in different magazines like blind bargains.
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On 6/16/2015 12:07 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:
Hi Josh,
You seem to be missing the point. It has nothing to do with what we
think of fun
according to the article it will have 28 cells per line.
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On 6/16/2015 11:06 AM, john wrote:
Any idea how many cells that's going to have? Multiline is cool, but I'd
really like more than 5 or 6 cells per line.
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Hi Dark,
Point well taken. I am sure a general pamphlet explaining to people
what audio games are and where to find more about them such as
audiogames.net should not be too offensive to anyone.
I guess what I was thinking was a more direct form of advertising such
as having a few games installed
This sounds encouraging. I'm not sure what was meant in the press release
by being less expensive than a (quote) braille typewriter (end quote)
though.
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The answer is in the link given. Did you read what is at the link?
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Hi Dark,
You are completely wrong on both counts.
Jaws is an acronym which stands for Job Access With Speech. It has
nothing to do with the Flipper screen reader although if I hadn't
known the true history of Jaws I might have drawn that conclusion
myself.
As for Orca Dolphin has nothing to do w
Na, call it Doctor Octopus after Spiderman's nemesis. I think a screen
reader named Octopus would be cool. Might as well since there is
something distinctly fishy about the screen readers we have like Jaws,
Orca, etc.
Cheers!
On 6/16/15, Josh K wrote:
> giant squid screen reader would be intere
Hi Josh,
You seem to be missing the point. It has nothing to do with what we
think of fundamentalists and their opinions but what organizations etc
think of them.
As a game developer I personally don't give a rats butt about what
fundamentalists or anyone else thinks about my games as long as the
Any idea how many cells that's going to have? Multiline is cool, but I'd
really like more than 5 or 6 cells per line.
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From: "Josh K"
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 10:51
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Subject: [Audyssey] low cost canute braille dis
if they don't want to play certain games they don't have to.
fundamentalism is something relatively new. If you go back 1500 to 2000
years you will find there was only one christian church. Americans
should really study their history and educate themselves on what is true
and what is not based
giant squid screen reader would be interesting.
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On 6/16/2015 10:07 AM, dark wrote:
Funny, I thought "jaws" was called such after the old dos screen
reader flipper, which also gave it's name to the company dolphin who
make Hal and Orca on Linux, though I coul
Why should we be concerned about offending fundamentalists? Their
opinions are historically, factually, and scientifically for the most
part inacurate. some stuff they got right most is incorrect though.
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On 6/16/2015 10:05 AM, dark wrote:
Hi Tom.
I don't do
its almost here! the low cost multiline braille display called the
canute will cost about $650. read about it here. and guess what? it runs
well its main board is a raspberry pie running on raspbian linux! link
is pass this onto everyone you know. may also be useful for playing games.
http://
Funny, I thought "jaws" was called such after the old dos screen reader
flipper, which also gave it's name to the company dolphin who make Hal and
Orca on Linux, though I could be entirely wrong.
I now want to see a screen reader called giant squid! :D.
Dark.
There is always more to know, mor
Hi Tom.
I don't doubt your correct, however there is another side to the coin.
christian fundamentalism, and likewise the concern about offending such
fudnamentalists is I believe at least in mainstream form something pretty
specific to the states.
The Rnib for example do as I've said promot
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Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 14:39
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] info AudioGames Game Engine
Hi Tom.
Funny the "computers aren't for play" attitude sinse to be honest I wouldn'
Hi Dark,
Yeah, I know what you meant. However, I wanted to specify what types
of games would appeal to the blind organizations. Generally
educationally specific games would have an appeal to NFB, ACB, AFB,
etc because they would have none of the stigma and other issues
attached to them making them
Dark's suggestion of an informational blurb or pamphlet is the place
where a number of developers could come together directly. If we
formed some sort of organization of our own, that worked with, and/or
through the more politically minded organizations, it's possible they
might take more notice o
True, being a contributer you need to wait and see and not hound the
dev for this or that project.
I can't be bothered hounding maybe I am to nice I don't often check
and that can be bad to.
At 01:33 a.m. 15/06/2015, you wrote:
Hi Knick.
That is an interesting point. one of the things I've no
yes thats true josh everything is going indie which for us is a good thing.
The small guys are approachable at least.
Some can't for various reasons be able to make their stuff work but I
have noticed some can be especially on the ren py front.
Ofcause some are just students but a lot of the newe
I agree.
Your volinteers won't necessarily have the latest software or
hardware for the job.
I now at least have a good software package maybe but hardware wise
probably not so much.
I can't afford studio quality s stuff unless its on sale so I have
consumers tuff or internal stuff and some of
I agree with you dark.
There have been a few devs I worked with one just recently that was
just a starter.
I have nothing against starters but there are those that start in a
cocky state, expect to earn from 500 coppies a month and get 2000 or
more enough to buy sfx.
They start a project get y
Well since you are a developer you would know.
Never the less you have it right as usual.
At 12:26 a.m. 15/06/2015, you wrote:
Hi Dark,
Yes, I think you have a definite point about developers perhaps not
being aware of their own shortcomings.
That would include even me at times.
I suspect the
Well tom to be honest vary few devs have actually asked the users for
sfx and voice.
And when it has happened it can go either of 2 ways.
1. you may have your stuff used and used fully or only used for that
version then swapped for something else.
Or simply your stuff is used and then used outs
I know when Aaron and I set out to design Interceptor, one item I had
wanted to use was recorded speech from other fighters in your
Interceptor wing and have that random chatter be something of a back
ground event that would add to the realism of the game.
However, we considered our options and we
Hi Tom.
I wasn't actually thinking of developers making specifically designed
educational games to teach something (although it's obviously good when that
happens as with the Looktell voiceover tutorial), just of presenting some of
the games we already have as education exercises in pointing o
Hi Dark,
Oh, I definitely can see a point where certain games are used as
educational training aids alright. The problem is for a lot of people
when someone mentions games they automatically assume it isn't
educational and that it is a silly waste of time. Sad to say this
attitude isn't limited t
Hi Josh.
Ian Humphries who makes the spoonbill games isn't on this list, so I'd
suggest mailing him directly as regards bugs as he would like to know,
indeed he's been pretty good about picking bugs when I've contacted him
regarding such things previously.
All the best,
Dark.
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