For your reading and wrangling pleasure, I offer:
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/IncubatorV2.
The goal of this exercise is to turn the idea of the pTLP into a
practical alternative. By 'practical', I mean: 'based on the
constraints as I see them'; the board and comdev are not going to find
a
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Jan 5, 2015, at 5:38 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org
wrote:
On Jan 5, 2015, at 4:20 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
For your reading and wrangling pleasure, I offer:
On Dec 29, 2014, at 6:40 AM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote:
3. patch the current process with starting to drop the mentors from
the project who don't sign off. This will essentially serve
as a heartbeat for mentors (now, in my opinion it'll quickly
On Jan 5, 2015, at 4:20 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
For your reading and wrangling pleasure, I offer:
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/IncubatorV2.
The goal of this exercise is to turn the idea of the pTLP into a
practical alternative. By 'practical', I mean:
On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote:
1. get rid of IPMC altogether and move to the pTLP model
This is effectively an IPMC reboot. I don’t really see anything substantially
different.
2. make this a poddling issue: if a poddling fails to hunt down
On Dec 19, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote:
I noted in my comments on the recent Incubator board report that I am
concerned, month after month, at the number of podlings that have no mentor
sign-off at all, as well as the ones where a minority of the mentors
On Dec 18, 2014, at 9:32 PM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote:
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com
wrote:
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 7:33 PM, P. Taylor Goetz ptgo...@apache.org wrote:
I’d like to volunteer to help out as a shepherd.
Super!
Our goal as a foundation is not to
be large, it is to be high quality.
+100 !oneoneone :)
The problem is that sub-par technical contributions quickly lead to community
issues as well. Please all ask yourself: would YOU like to contribute to a
project where you have to look at every
On 5 January 2015 at 14:16, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Jan 5, 2015, at 4:20 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
For your reading and wrangling pleasure, I offer:
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/IncubatorV2.
The goal of this exercise is to turn the
On Jan 5, 2015, at 4:20 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
For your reading and wrangling pleasure, I offer:
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/IncubatorV2. ...
IIUC the main difference (besides subtle naming changes) is that pTLPs
vote on their own releases, based on pTLP PMC
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
...This scheme locates
that responsibility in the renamed committee, which serves the board
by supervising the pTLPs. They aren't mentors, they are PMC members...
Ok, but the board needs to accept those folks, and
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
...This scheme locates
that responsibility in the renamed committee, which serves the board
by supervising the pTLPs. They aren't
On Jan 5, 2015, at 6:15 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Jan 5, 2015, at 5:38 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org
wrote:
On Jan 5, 2015, at 4:20 AM, Benson Margulies
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 5:05 AM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote:
1. get rid of IPMC altogether and move to the pTLP model
This is effectively an IPMC reboot. I don’t really see anything
substantially
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Jan 5, 2015, at 7:04 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Benson Margulies
On Dec 9, 2014, at 6:30 PM, John D. Ament johndam...@apache.org wrote:
The following shepherds either did not provide, or did provide but saw no
issues to comment on within their podlings:
- Alan Cabrera
I am committed to reviewing the podlings for which I am a mentor. For other
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:14 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
As for measuring the mentors activity, I suggest simply adding a
question to the podling reports, who are your two active mentors and
are you happy with their activity along with requiring report
sign-off from
I am trying to update the Apache Ranger (incubating) project status in the
Wiki.
Can someone add my wiki user account (Selvamohan Neethiraj) to
ContributorsGroup for me to be able to edit the Apache Incubator Wiki ?
Thanks,
Selva-
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Guys,
Podlings are already in charge of their mentors. They recruit them
(actively, even before Incubation) and I’ve never seen a podling
with mentors “forced” on to them.
What new thing is being proposed here?
Cheers,
Chris
-Original Message-
From: Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
Last comment from me for today:
Thanks very much for continuing to exercise discipline in rate-limiting your
communiques, Benson. I dread the prospect of returning to the overheating,
rapid-fire IPMC of a few years
On 01/05/2015 12:14 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
A mentor is free to become inactive
but must explicitly state this else the mentor risks being removed for not
performing their duties.
For most mentors, it seems that going inactive is a gradual slide, not a
momentous decision.
--
On Jan 5, 2015, at 8:22 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote:
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 5:05 AM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote:
1. get rid of IPMC altogether and move to the pTLP model
This is
Hi,
I'm resending Alan's proposal with a new subject as I think it
deserves more attention.
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
...Podlings would be required to have a minimum of two active mentors. A
mentor is free to become inactive
but must
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
I am in favor of #3 since it holds mentors accountable. #1 is simply a
washing of
our hands and pawning the problem off on the board simple because some of us
are unwilling to do uncomfortable things.
Here's the bit
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote:
...What's difficult is the part
that would require us to do something with poddlings put
on hold. Unless we come up with clear exit criteria for
this new state -- I don't think we're solving any real problems
On Dec 31, 2014, at 5:26 PM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote:
when a honor of the IPMC chair was bestowed on
me beginning of 2014 it was crucial that the
position remains to be rotated among IPMC members.
As an aside: while Marvin felt that the ideal rotation period
was 6 month my
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
What new thing is being proposed here?...
This, meant to fix the mentors fade away problem:
...Podlings that
do not have the minimum of two active mentors are put on hold until
they find enough
It’s not a pawning off to the board - the board is already
responsible for reviewing the IPMC report which includes
*all of the same detail* that the IPMC also .. reviews.
Cheers,
Chris
-Original Message-
From: Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com
Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org
On Monday, January 5, 2015, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org
wrote:
Hi,
I'm resending Alan's proposal with a new subject as I think it
deserves more attention.
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com
javascript:; wrote:
...Podlings would be required
Hi!
I think this thread has achieved its goal and the real discussion
is now happening on the thread re: Benson's proposal. I couldn't
have asked for more -- lets move the real discussion over there.
Before we do that, however, I wanted to make a few quick remarks.
First of all, I really
The answers below are not on behalf of the ASF, but based on what the
common sense appears to be, from my individual perspective.
In particular, your project is not relieved from learning what a license
requires of it and demonstrating satisfaction of such requirements.
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On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
But the board is not responsible for any actions resulting from those
reviews, the IPMC is.
Agreed for the state of the things today. What is being proposed
is that actions resulting from those
For some reason HadrianZbarcea can no longer edit the wiki. Could
somebody please grant me access. Please verify the @a.o address for the
account.
Thanks,
Hadrian
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As I've said repeatedly. This simply moves the problem it does not solve it.
Today, a project has mentors, usually it works, but sometimes it doesn't. When
it doesn't work someone needs to fix it. That is the work that is being moved
from the IPMC to the board by the pTLP proposal.
It's not
On 05/01/2015 jan i wrote:
On 5 January 2015 at 18:52, Alex Harui wrote:
2) In [2] it says for Category B: By including only the object/binary
form, there is less exposed surface area of the third-party work from
which a work might be derived; this addresses the second guiding principle
of this
Back in 2013, I suggested asking the Champion to accept a very clear
level of reporting responsibility: to write a sentence or two _every
month_ or find someone else to do it. That's one person whom I wanted
to ask to sign up, for the duration of an incubation, to pay enough
attention to be able
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Selvamohan Neethiraj
sneet...@apache.org wrote:
Can someone add my wiki user account (Selvamohan Neethiraj)
Done.
(Wiki ID includes space.)
Marvin Humphrey
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On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea hzbar...@gmail.com wrote:
For some reason HadrianZbarcea can no longer edit the wiki. Could somebody
please grant me access.
That wiki ID wasn't listed in ContributorsGroup, nor in
Administrators. I've added it to ContributorsGroup.
Please
One extra thing to note, that while we can *start* this comittee as
dedicated
to Incubating projects, it will be a very natural extension to get it
involved
in monitoring all of TLPs, not just pTLPs.
What problem exists today where the Board needs
such
a buffer?
In what ways could
I am clearly hitting my rate-limit with emails to general@, still since
Ross' reply was one of the few pieces of feedback from the board,
I'll do this one and then wait for others to chime in (Benson?).
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
Note from the board - from an IPMC member (and yes, my opinions don't change if
I put my Director hat on but don't assume that I speak for all board members)
Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc.
A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation
-Original Message-
From: shaposh...@gmail.com
This statement confuses the lack of active mentors with the sheer size of the
IPMC. The problem is not the size of the IPMC. The problem is that mentors are
not doing their jobs
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 5, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
Perhaps then, there's a recommendation that:
- a member can be champion to only one pTLP at a time.
- a member can be mentor to no more than two pTLP at a time.
This to me looks like a good way to make sure a mentor can always do their
job - make sure they're not overloaded.
BTW these #'s (1
An addition of the overseeing committee, will shield the board from
*some* of the day-to-day business of telling the pTLP that something
needs to be fixed.
Is this pretty close to IPMC in another name?
Who gets to be on the new overseeing committee? Not current IPMC membership
right? So
Makes sense :)
Hadrian
On 01/05/2015 06:41 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
Back in 2013, I suggested asking the Champion to accept a very clear
level of reporting responsibility: to write a sentence or two _every
month_ or find someone else to do it. That's one person whom I wanted
to ask to sign
Hi Jan,
On Jan 5, 2015, at 12:18 PM, jan i wrote:
On 5 January 2015 at 20:06, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Jan 5, 2015, at 10:26 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
On Monday, January 5, 2015, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com
Thanks Roman, this looks like a really good step forward.
With these modifications this proposal is very similar to my original proposal
to have a subset of the PMC act like the board and have all the authority of
the board when dealing with podlings/pTLP or any other incubation vehicle we
Careful... most mentors do a great job. The problem is when all mentors fade
away (which as volunteers they are entitled to do) and the IPMC doesn't notice.
Ross
Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc.
A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation
-Original Message-
From: Alan Cabrera
Interesting. I had not read that passage with a critical eye until just now ...
-- replying below to --
From: John D. Ament [mailto:johndam...@apache.org]
Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 17:41
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Binary Convenience Package Dependencies
Hi,
I would
Yep and let all from that 170+ person committee be tracked down for
responsibility. Talk about s fun activity it's simply not scalable
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 5, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
But the board is not responsible for any
When I sign up for helping a project, especially as champion, this is a
very reasonable request.
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
Back in 2013, I suggested asking the Champion to accept a very clear
level of reporting responsibility: to write a
A champion is merely a mentor who has publicly committed to being an active
mentor, in some significant capacity, of a podling.
The creation of such a role is symptomatic of a dysfunctional organization
where responsibility and accountability has been diluted so much it's not at
all clear
Yes which is why I am proposing for less change than what others are proposing.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 5, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
Careful... most mentors do a great job. The problem is when all mentors fade
away (which as
On Mon Jan 05 2015 at 9:18:48 PM Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
wrote:
Interesting. I had not read that passage with a critical eye until just
now ...
-- replying below to --
From: John D. Ament [mailto:johndam...@apache.org]
Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 17:41
To:
Can someone please provide me write access to the incubator report wiki
pages?
My wiki id is ³bosco²
Thank you
Bosco
Thanks Marvin, all set.
Hadrian
On 01/05/2015 08:24 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea hzbar...@gmail.com wrote:
For some reason HadrianZbarcea can no longer edit the wiki. Could somebody
please grant me access.
That wiki ID wasn't listed in
+1.
I made some cosmetic changes to the list of committers and mentors. It
should be clear now.
Hadrian
On 01/05/2015 02:04 PM, Hal Lockhart wrote:
I added a comma and the word and to the Mentors section. The Mentors are:
Emmanuel Lécharny, Colm O hEigeartaigh and Hadrian Zbarcea
Do you
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Don Bosco Durai bo...@apache.org wrote:
Can someone please provide me write access to the incubator report wiki
pages?
My wiki id is ³bosco²
ID bosco added, happy wikifying.
Marvin Humphrey
On 6 January 2015 at 01:41, John D. Ament johndam...@apache.org wrote:
Hi,
I would strongly recommend that you review with legal, in addition to the
incubator on this type of question.
If I look here: http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html
Please *don't* use that page.
It says:
This
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 4:59 PM, John D. Ament johndam...@apache.org wrote:
This to me looks like a good way to make sure a mentor can always do their
job - make sure they're not overloaded.
BTW these #'s (1 2) should be subjective as I'm just making guesses for
good #'s.
Not only are
On Jan 5, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote:
The tracking part is easy, though. What's difficult is the part
that would require us to do something with poddlings put
on hold. Unless we come up with clear exit criteria for
this new state -- I don't think we're
Hi, anybody willing to try to answer this?
Thanks,
-Alex
On 12/22/14, 8:11 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:
Hi,
I have some questions about Binary Convenience Packages:
1) In [1] it says: the binary/bytecode package .. may only add
binary/bytecode files that are the result of compiling
On Jan 5, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
Hi,
I'm resending Alan's proposal with a new subject as I think it
deserves more attention.
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
...Podlings would be required to have a
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 6:36 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
...I like this idea, except putting the full responsibility of finding new
mentors on the shoulders of the...
The Incubator PMC would help of course, but it's the podling who's in
charge of asking for mentors, in the same way as when
I call a vote to accept OpenAz as a new Incubator project.
The proposal can be found here: https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenAZProposal
and is included below in this email.
Voting will remain open until at least January 20, 2015 23:00 ET.
Hal Lockhart
An IPMC responsibility is a no responsibility.
How many people here are prepared to take on a struggling project for
the love of the Incubator, with no particular interest or investment in
the technology, or connection to the people involved?
In the end, if a project wants to join the ASF, the
On 5 January 2015 at 20:06, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Jan 5, 2015, at 10:26 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
On Monday, January 5, 2015, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','l...@toolazydogs.com'); wrote:
On Jan 5, 2015, at 9:21 AM,
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Jan 5, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote:
The tracking part is easy, though. What's difficult is the part
that would require us to do something with poddlings put
on hold. Unless we
Hi!
can you please fix the formatting issues? For example,
I can't even tell the exact list of mentors you're proposing.
Thanks,
Roman.
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Hal Lockhart hal.lockh...@oracle.com wrote:
I call a vote to accept OpenAz as a new Incubator project.
The proposal can be
On Monday, January 5, 2015, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','l...@toolazydogs.com'); wrote:
On Jan 5, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote:
The tracking part is easy, though. What's difficult is the part
that would require us to do
Quick shepherding question: If a podling I’m assigned to shepherd fails to
report, should I still add my comments to the incubator report?
-Taylor
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On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 10:36 AM, P. Taylor Goetz ptgo...@gmail.com wrote:
Quick shepherding question: If a podling I’m assigned to shepherd fails to
report,
should I still add my comments to the incubator report?
If your feedback goes beyound stating the obvious lack of report ;-) Absolutely!
On Jan 5, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote:
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Jan 5, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote:
The tracking part is easy, though. What's difficult is the part
I added a comma and the word and to the Mentors section. The Mentors are:
Emmanuel Lécharny, Colm O hEigeartaigh and Hadrian Zbarcea
Do you see any other formatting errors?
Hal
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From: Roman Shaposhnik [mailto:ro...@shaposhnik.org]
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015
On Jan 5, 2015, at 10:26 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
On Monday, January 5, 2015, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','l...@toolazydogs.com'); wrote:
On Jan 5, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote:
The tracking part is easy,
I found it useful to help determine if the podling is simply not answering
messages, vs a podling that maybe didn't get marvin's notice.
On Mon Jan 05 2015 at 1:45:00 PM Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org
wrote:
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 10:36 AM, P. Taylor Goetz ptgo...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015, at 08:18 PM, jan i wrote:
On 5 January 2015 at 20:06, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Jan 5, 2015, at 10:26 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
On Monday, January 5, 2015, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com
But the board is not responsible for any actions resulting from those reviews,
the IPMC is.
Ross
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From: Mattmann, Chris A (3980) [mailto:chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov]
Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 9:31 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Incubator report
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