ld be more JPA for the code, OpenJPA/Hibernate in tests and
OpenJPA for the runtime until you download it at runtime (like Karaf
features can do for ex).
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I know Vladimir but let's do things in order, if we move in all ways it
will fail.
Incubating log4j1 will fail as I epxlained - not even sure incubator would
let it be incubated since project is official dead for everybody and can
only get security fixes (incubator is to ensure you can build a comm
et it applied let's
create a thread about it as being an issue and look for options but for now
the thread is looking for options which are not needed from my window
Hope it helps ot move the ball forward
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Le mar. 21 déc. 2021 à 12:33, Enrico Olivelli a
écrit :
> Vladimir,
> I totally support this proposal.
>
> Which are actually the steps we need to cut a release of log4j 1.x ?
> - establish an Apache project ?
>
1. Send a patch to apply on
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/logging/log4j/trunk
>
x27;t think 1 or 3 are real options, 4 is but not that nice
indeed (due to the fact it would be yet another forks but also cause it
requires some GAV change or build hack to be done properly) so from my
window I would be tempted to push for 2 which sounds like a quick win for
everyone.
Romain Manni-
unamed module by default until you are required to go
with jpms.
Only feature JPMS has, as of today, is being able to build jvm images and
graalvm kind of killed this features by making it irrelevant (I skip the
licensing issues it can create ;)).
My 2 cts,
Romain Manni-Bucau
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Hi
At Apache we have bval which is a bean validation implementation.
Contrarly to what was written, bean validation does not work by exception
but validator returns violations as alita if I got it right.
So overall I am not sure the difference between both except some API
choices.
Also note that o
Hi all,
makes 12 +1 (10 bindings) and no other vote so this vote passes.
Thank you all.
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for 3 days or until 3 +1 bindings are reached as usual
Here is my +1
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Hi,
1. ossindex from sonatype covers a lot
2. not sure what you means, findbugs or more checkstyle/pmd?
3. rat plugin for example (see apache creadur tools too, there are license
tools). Also note that with the initial dep review + review of the license
each time a new dep is added in standard asf
+1
Le mer. 19 juin 2019 à 02:42, Dave Fisher a écrit :
> Hi David and Greg,
>
> > On Jun 18, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Justin Mclean
> wrote:
> >
> > HI,
> >
> > +1 (binding)
> >
> > I hope the podling has better success outside the ASF.
> >
> > BTW in all previous cases of podlings exiting I could fin
+1 Accept Zipkin
Le lun. 27 août 2018 05:52, James Taylor a écrit :
> +1 (binding)
>
> On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 8:41 PM Greg Trasuk
> wrote:
>
> > +1 Accept Zipkin (binding).
> >
> > Greg Trasuk.
> >
> > > On Aug 26, 2018, at 11:14 PM, Mick Semb Wever wrote:
> > >
> > > After a brief discussion
+1 and exited since it sounds like the promise of a lot of communities
interactions (skywalking, cxf, geronimo opentracing, ).
Le sam. 18 août 2018 14:27, kristof.adriaenss...@gmail.com <
kristof.adriaenss...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> +1 Looks like a good move for the community based on the init
community is already here and I don't see it being
that far from ASF requirements so I think going through incubator is a good
path.
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ld be enough for a incubator project (especially in term of
> > community).
> > >
> > > Let's see feedback from the others.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > JB
> > >
> > >
> > > On 16/05/2018 14:40, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
Hi guys,
I wonder if we have some scala@play community or not @asf.
I will likely try to bring a servlet/jaxrs bridge soon and wonder if
proposing it @asf can be interesting (otherwise I just put it on github).
Any inputs welcomed.
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out
not mandatory but recommanded rules)
3. be there to remind community is important and not only code to prepare a
good graduation
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+1, not a blocker since it is more on nice to have helpers than needed
tools IMHO and legally it looks ok and it builds properly
Le 1 avr. 2018 10:42, "Olivier Lamy" a écrit :
> Well not a big drama, we can fix that with the next release.
> ATM 2 mentors have voted +1: Jean-Baptiste and myself.
+1 looks good
Le 31 mars 2018 18:05, "Matt Sicker" a écrit :
> +1 (binding)
>
> * Signatures ok
> * Rat check ok
> * Disclaimer, license, notice files all present
> * Build and test ok
>
>
> On 30 March 2018 at 23:07, 吴晟 Sheng Wu wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> > This is a call for vote to release Apach
+1
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Le 26 janv. 2018 21:53, "Byung-Gon Chun" a écrit :
On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 5:41 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau
wrote:
> Why not doing a beam subproject? Any blocker?
>
>
Thanks for the question, Romain.
We have a flexible, efficient runtime that supports various user programs
(e
Why not doing a beam subproject? Any blocker?
Otherwise +1 to have it @asf, makes a lot of sense.
Le 26 janv. 2018 20:58, "Byung-Gon Chun" a écrit :
> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 4:09 AM, Davor Bonaci wrote:
>
> > Great work -- I think this technology has a lot of promise, and I'd love
> to
> > se
+1
Le 13 janv. 2018 09:17, "Pierre Smits" a écrit :
> +1
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> V.P. Apache Trafodion
>
> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 9:12 AM, Sergio Fernández
> wrote:
>
> > +1 (binding)
> >
> > On Jan 12, 2018 14:13, "Kevin A. McGrail" wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I wou
We didnt change the headers (see
https://github.com/WASdev/standards.jsr352.jbatch/blob/master/com.ibm.jbatch.container/src/main/java/com/ibm/jbatch/container/impl/RetryHandler.java).
What would be a better mention in NOTICE?
Le 11 déc. 2017 07:26, "Justin Mclean" a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> > The root
Hi Justin
The root NOTICE references the donation but files are under apache v2
license anyway, even referencing IBM so should be good.
Romain
Le 11 déc. 2017 07:02, "Justin Mclean" a écrit :
Hi,
I’m not 100% sure I would vote +1 on this release due to possible header
issues (copyright IBM) a
Le 10 déc. 2017 11:35, "Mark Struberg" a écrit :
> If you put them under /dev/ for the vote, that makes it easier for the
> reviewer to see what is actually intended for the release area.
Yes and no. Where do we get this zip from?
The answer is: from repository.apache.org. Because all this is s
Le 6 déc. 2017 18:22, "Daniel Gruno" a écrit :
On 12/06/2017 06:18 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
> 2017-12-06 18:14 GMT+01:00 Daniel Gruno :
>> On 12/06/2017 06:10 PM, Mark Struberg wrote:
>>> As explained in the original GIT at ASF threads many years ago: you
canno
2017 um 17:36 schrieb John D. Ament :
>>>
>>> Right, but the IPMC has general oversight and responsibilities for
>>> podlings. Our requirements for what goes into a release are at
>>> https://incubator.apache.org/policy/incubation.html#releases
>>>
>&
@John: depends the project. DeltaSpike, BatchEE and several others
don't and it is fine IMHO.
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2017-12-06 17:04 GMT+01:00 John D. Ament :
> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:00 AM Romain Manni-Bucau
> wrote:
>
>&
2017-12-06 16:41 GMT+01:00 sebb :
> On 6 December 2017 at 08:08, Reinhard Sandtner wrote:
>> Hey incubator PMCs,
>>
>> The Apache BatchEE community has voted and approved the proposal to release
>> Apache BatchEE 0.5-incubating.
>> Apache BatchEE is a JBatch implementation (JSR-352) which provide
+1
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2017-12-04 13:36 GMT+01:00 Ted Dunning :
> +1
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 3:17 AM, mck wrote:
>
>>
>> After some discussion on the SkyWalking proposal, I'd like to raise the
>&g
Hi Mick
I'm generally +1 and would be very happy to help but before voting can
you clarify the position with other donations like
https://github.com/cncf/toc/issues/50 please?
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2017-11-29 7:58 GMT+01:00 mck :
> Dea
Hi
For sources any template engine is great so velocity, freemarker, ..., even
strings (like cxf client plugin does) so need for a more formal lib is less
true than for bytecode generation. Eugene (from codelutin not asf) is also
a great one for sources.
What would add yours? Kind of fear it ends
Le 16 avr. 2017 06:58, "Niclas Hedhman" a écrit :
One could also ask the question; Considering how hyped "devops" culture is
right now, the central role that monitoring and visualization of that is
for devops, How come this project can't attract hordes of people? Is there
something inherent in Ap
2017-01-03 13:45 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau :
> 2017-01-03 13:41 GMT+01:00 Romain Manni-Bucau :
>
> > 2017-01-03 13:38 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau :
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Note that for Groovy, the source artifact, which is what legal is all
> &g
rule?)
> 2017-01-03 13:25 GMT+01:00 Romain Manni-Bucau :
>
> > 2017-01-03 13:06 GMT+01:00 Guillaume Laforge :
> >
> > > When you say "it denotes a lack of maturity which is exactly the
> purpose
> > > AFAIK", what do you mean my maturity?
> >
so second the idea that such a rule should apply to all kind of
> artifacts or none, but not be an exception of Maven artifacts.
> It doesn't make sense to enforce a rule for just one... and hence the idea
> of lifting that rule altogether for everybody.
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 201
user complained about
that excepted about the fact it denotes a lack of maturity which is exactly
the purpose AFAIK.
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Hi guys - and sorry to catch this thread that late
What about merging hammock with meecrowave (hosted @owb)? Sounds like quite
close even if the stack is not 100% the same.
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The Apache BatchEE and Incubator teams are pleased to announce the release
of Apache BatchEE 0.4-incubating.
The release passes the JBatch 1.0 TCK test 1.1-b03.
Sources are available on Apache download area (
https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/batchee) accessible through
BatchEE site
And here is my +1
So we have 3 +1 bindings (Justin, JB, me) and 1 +1 non binding (Stian) and
no other votes so the release passes.
Thanks to all who had a look.
Will continue with the release steps.
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<htt
added asc (thanks to have caught that!)
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added batchee source zip there
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/batchee/0.4-incubating/
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creating dist/dev, please be patient a moment
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2016-09-26 17:56 GMT+02:00 Stian Soiland-Reyes :
> On 26 September 2016 at 16:45, Mark Struberg
> wrote:
> > Again the question is not about our own repo. The problem are the dozen
> downstream repos. You cannot delete it from there once it got pulled
> downstream. Or is there now a way to preven
Think you lost me a bit :s
so here where we started the fork from:
http://apache-incubator-general.996316.n3.nabble.com/Re-DISCUSS-jbatch-impl-Apache-td36529.html
About dist: should i push it there now or is that a todo for next release?
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2016-09-26 15:20 GMT+02:00 Stian Soiland-Reyes :
> On 26 September 2016 at 07:28, Romain Manni-Bucau
> wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > batchee community voted the 0.4-incubating good to release, here is the
> > time for general@ to vote on it as well
>
> -1 (non
2016-09-26 11:31 GMT+02:00 Justin Mclean :
> Hi,
>
> > Comes from OpenEJB for cli - thought it was ok to rely on transitive
> > dependencies there - and for the maven plugin it is JUNG (BSD) so think
> it
> > is ok, did I miss one?
>
> I think so but it not clear to me when those LICENSES end up.
2016-09-26 11:27 GMT+02:00 Justin Mclean :
> Hi,
>
> > No, we didn't get an official grant, but the RI is ALv2 and we actively
> asked the IBM devs/managers and they are perfectly fine with it. They even
> give feedback on JIRA and contributed patches later on.
> >
> > We are actively working toge
2016-09-26 10:21 GMT+02:00 Justin Mclean :
> Hi,
>
> +0 until IBM copyright question sorted. Happy to change to +1 if there’s a
> good reason for it.
>
> I’d guess that the code come from them in a software grant and the
> copyright has just been forgotten to be removed and IBM added to the NOTICE
eded
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Hi general@!
FYI the BatchEE incubation project is votiing on batchee 0.4-incubating
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août 2016 22:48, "Mark Struberg" a écrit :
> Given that Geronimo is nowadays more a kind of „EE commons“, it might fit
> in there.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> > Am 08.08.2016 um 22:32 schrieb Romain Manni-Bucau >:
> >
> > Le 8 août 2016 21:04,
e benefit in the incubator for you guys.
>>
>> I'm pointing out the issue, as last month a mentor refused sign off due
to
>> lack of content in your report. The current report doesn't seem to be
much
>> better. I pinged JB off list, so far no answer there either.
&
I'm pointing out the issue, as last month a mentor refused sign off due to
> lack of content in your report. The current report doesn't seem to be much
> better. I pinged JB off list, so far no answer there either.
>
>
Will check as well.
Thanks John!
> - John
>
> On
have to admit I
don't have a good view of the incubator freedom we can have on that area.
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2016-07-20 10:58 GMT+02:00 Justin Mclean :
> Hi,
>
> > can you confirm which artifacts are missing it please?
>
> All of them.
>
>
Not sure I follow:
» unzip -p
/cygdrive/c/Users/romain/.m2/repository/org/apache/sirona/sirona-reporting-ui/0.4-incubating/sirona-reporting-ui-0.4-incubating.war
META
/apache/sirona/blob/23ca6902ba1a32650b06043f68d02c951629f0bb/NOTICE#L46
)
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up?
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@John: JL just voted too - why i closed the vote on dev@. Seems
mail-archives didn't eat it yet
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ne is very welcomed to test and vote.
Please vote:
[ ] +1 release it
[ ] +0 don't care
[ ] -1 no cause ${blocker}
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+1
Le 10 avr. 2016 22:28, "John D. Ament" a écrit :
> Copying my +1 from the dev list.
>
> On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 2:59 PM Anatole Tresch wrote:
>
> > Hi all!
> >
> > This is a call to vote on releasing Apache Tamaya 0.2-incubating.
> >
> > The new release is a major milestone of the project wit
g/d88S
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >> Discussions:
> > > >> > > >> https://s.apache.org/5vxO
> > > >> > > >> https://s.apache.org/8VkX
> > > >
E IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> > >> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Johnzon Project",
> > >> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> > >> Foundation; and be it further
> > >>
> > >> RESOLV
responsibility of the Apache Johnzon Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> Apache Johnzon Project:
>
> * Justin Mclean
> * Romain Manni-Bucau
> * Jean-Louis
Ok just pushed one we'll work on. thanks Bertrand.
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@John: thks, will do
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I did, the idea was to reuse asf charter (replacing ${PROJECT} by Johnzon),
ppmc vote was considered useless since everyone agreed and nobody objected
so we were at voting on IPMC step, did I miss something?
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?
> John
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:55 PM Romain Manni-Bucau
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > We discussed on johnzon@ and the graduation is out next goal (there was
> > several threads but the one triggering this vote is
> >
> >
> http://mail-archive
Hi,
We discussed on johnzon@ and the graduation is out next goal (there was
several threads but the one triggering this vote is
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-johnzon-dev/201603.mbox/browser
).
I'd ilke the IPMC to recommend the resolution to the Board and therefore
I'm asking
FYI. Apache Johnzon is currently voting on 0.9.3-incubating.
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contributor's participation in the
project and commitment to the project and the Apache Way.
Please join me in congratulating Reinhard!
-- Romain Manni-Bucau
on behalf of the Incubator PMC
The Apache Sirona team is pleased to announce the immediate
availability of the 0.3-incubating release. The release note can be
found here [1]; The source code and binary package can be downloaded
from Sirona download page [2].
This release includes several enhancements on the javaagent and path
t
and with my +1 the vote passes with:
binding +1:
- Mark, Jean-Baptiste, Olivier, Jean-Louis, Justin, me
and no -1.
I'll promote the binaries now.
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Hi Justin,
thanks, I opened https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SIRONA-49
also noted the point about git hashes!
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put general as well trying to avoid to need to get twice the same votes.
Should have I cc-ed general instead?
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/docs/0.3-incubating/>*
Vote open for 72H
+1
0
-1
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > I don't believe that to be the case.
> >
> > You guys are mature enough, why not graduate?
> > On Oct 5, 2015 10:06 AM, "Romain Manni-Bucau"
> wrote:
> >
the +1 bindings listed in the result were the ipmc votes, ie:
- Mark
- Justin
- Daniel
- and me
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understood it hasnt been clear enough in Mark's mail but still matches the
incubator policy. If not we can do the same vote with the same votes, not a
big deal.
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the case.
>
> You guys are mature enough, why not graduate?
> On Oct 5, 2015 10:06 AM, "Romain Manni-Bucau"
> wrote:
>
> > Hi incubator,
> >
> > Mark forwarded the vote at the beginning of dev@ vote. Therefore it
> sounds
> > to me we don't ne
Hi incubator,
Mark forwarded the vote at the beginning of dev@ vote. Therefore it sounds
to me we don't need to vote again on these binaries. Can you confirm it
please?
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reason]
Here is my +1
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So vote passed with 3 +1 IPMC bindings votes and 2 +1 non IPMC votes.
@incubator: do we need another vote on general@ since we already got 3 IPMC
+1?
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+1
Le 14 août 2015 18:02, "Anatole Tresch" a écrit :
> Dear Incubator
>
> after the Apache Tamaya PPMC vote passed successfully with 5+ votes for the
> first release "0.1-incubating" of Apache Tamaya, it's now the incubator's
> task to vote ;)
>
> Please see original [VOTE] thread:
> *
> http://m
+1
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2015-08-13 11:03
@john: no since it would likely be deleted and has no link with revisions
so it is still highly mutable
Le 9 août 2015 07:11, "John D. Ament" a écrit :
> And if you're using a snapshot, just switch to the timestamp based
> snapshot.
>
> On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 8:29 AM
Le 9 août 2015 03:31, "Anatole Tresch" a écrit :
>
> Even for a jsr tests are not part of a release, except the ones that are
> part of the TCK.
Doesnt mean it is good or apache way ;)
> In your case you may resolve/fix the snapshot dep to bind
> to the specific snapshot version currently used..
A tag should be buildable anytime. Snapshots can be dropped from repos so
from my understanding it is an issue even if less impacting than direct
binaries dependencies.
Le 9 août 2015 02:05, "Justin Mclean" a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> > Are tests are part of the release?
>
> If they are included as sourc
+1
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2015-06-06 21:22 G
Hello
this is pretty sure but as bval I suspect it will be a project moving by
"batch" (ie when needed) and very calm the remaining time - think we
already wrote it somewhere BTW.
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+1
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2015-04-03 12:50
+1 to keep @TheASF, will avoid noise or misunderstanding when a project is
graduated + for general announcements it is more consistent.
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+1
Le 19 mars 2015 09:07, "Ashish" a écrit :
> +1 non-binding
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > Following the discussion earlier in the thread:
> >http://s.apache.org/KWE
> >
> > I would like to call a VOTE for accepting Groovy
> > as a new incubator project.
+1
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2015-02-20 14:23 GMT+01:00 Hendrik Dev :
> The Apache Johnzon PPMC has voted to release Apache Johnzon
> 0.6-incubating based on the release candidate described
+1
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2014-11-18 15:54 GMT+01:00 Hendrik Dev :
> Hi all,
>
> Please vote on releasing the following candidate as Apache Johnzon
> 0.2-incubating.
> This wil
also is a member of
> > the CDI 2.0 expert group and is actively driving the configuration
> > topic.
> > * '''Gerhard Petracek''' is Apache MyFaces und DeltaSpike PMC chair.
> > * '''Andres Almiray''': Groovy afi
+1, interested to be part of the project as well.
Hi all,
Thanks for the feedback thus far on the Tamaya proposal. Based on prior
discussion, I'd like to present the proposal found at
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TamayaProposal as well as copied below.
Please take a look and let me know wh
Le 3 nov. 2014 22:06, "Stack" a écrit :
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Jean-Louis MONTEIRO
> wrote:
>
> > BTW, wondering how to get the Apache Sirona community involved or if
there
> > is a possible common road where the 2 projects could join.
> >
> >
> How do you see the projects relating?
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