On 16 January 2012 11:56, Robert Burrell Donkin
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On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net w.
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I would like to call on everybody to
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focus on ensuring that reports
submitted are timely and contain all of the relevant
assume that this just refers to mailing lists, subversion etc. but
if that is the case then it duplicates the items under infrastructure.
thanks for any pointers.
Ross
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On Jan 15, 2012 6:18 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
I wish we could get past the whole idea that we are punishing
a podling by insisting that they take their work to say github
instead. They probably can keep
On 15 January 2012 20:55, Robert Burrell Donkin
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+1
Voting to terminate a project through lack of success sends a very
clear message. Being 'terminated' is a very clear and public
to be addressed.
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On 10 January 2012 22:03, Marcel Offermans marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl wrote:
Whilst I agree there is value in demonstrating a starting podling what a good
report
should look like by doing it for them, I also strongly believe in learning by
doing, so I
would still propose that a podling has
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On Jan 11, 2012 7:59 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
It IS lame because we've been beating that dead horse for over a year now
without any changes taking place. That some of you doubt we even have a
problem here is
Thank you Sam.
Re Cordova: no idea why this has not been submitted. It had been written by
a community member and commented by myself and Jukka on the Dev list in
plenty of time. Jukka already raised this issue on the Dev list prior to
your mail here. Conclusion, new project learning the ropes.
Benson,
I dint have time for a full response. However, I have a couple podlings
that are in a similar position to Isis. That is, reasonably healthy, but
small community.
The ASF is about communities, if there is no community there is no TLP.
Without having a concrete proposal from you regardunf
On 9 January 2012 12:46, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:28 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
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I don't know about the more autonomy proposal but I had a quick look
at Isis. If they've never added any new committers thats a worry but
other than
Apologies for not voting. I simply have not had the time to look properly.
But I see tippy have the IPMC votes.
Congratulations
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On Dec 23, 2011 12:21 AM, Andy Seaborne a...@apache.org wrote:
Please vote on this release:
[ ]
On 21 December 2011 10:59, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:42 AM, William A. Rowe Jr.
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On 12/21/2011 4:16 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
I totally agree that the use of the Apache Flex trademark needs to be
clearly
On 21 December 2011 21:31, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi Bertrand,
If there are some experienced Mentors added and I am elected to the Incubator
PMC, I would be willing to be a Junior Mentor.
Ha!!!
+1 for Dave. He's on AOO and anyone around there for more than two
weeks has
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On 20 December 2011 22:35, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote:
On 12/20/2011 4:24 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
The proposal says Existing Flex-related conferences, podcasts and
websites should be allowed to continue using “Flex” as part of their
name - Apache Flex will have to create
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Further to Ians reply, I have a couple of comments inline...
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certificate as reseller of a software?
Are (Podling) Projects allowed to
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On Dec 5, 2011 10:21 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote:
+1 for DeltaSpike
I thinkthe other requests over at asf-infra also did come from Mentors
(as far as I have seen).
Correct for Callback. My proposal links to the dev
Jun,
hopefully you will get the support you need on your dev list. However,
please do not hesitate to come back to this list if you need clarity. It
may take too many emails and you might need a thick skin, but we will help
in our strange way.
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On 29 November 2011 12:18, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote:
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Ross Gardler
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hopefully you will get the support you need on your dev list. However,
please do not hesitate to come back to this list if you need clarity
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On Nov 29, 2011 10:10 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
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On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:04 PM, William A. Rowe Jr.
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On 11/29/2011 2:14 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
I've
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On Nov 28, 2011 7:01 PM, Neha Narkhede neha.narkh...@gmail.com wrote:
That is because, every single time, the RM agreed that the release
was worth re-cutting.
We have been assuming that it is the rule of Apache to cut another RC
On 29 November 2011 00:12, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote:
When Apache Forrest became a TLP, just prior to the Incubator starting,
there were no mentors to tell me stuff.
HeHe - and that's exactly where I learned it - although I was lucky
enough to have mentors within the project.
I sympathize with you're comments, however, I do want to point out that the
problems are more to do with the Project committers and mentors than the
process (although documentation can always be improved).
As evidence I submit the Apache Rave poddling. This project made its first
release within a
Sorry screaming kids prevented me from reviewing properly. one sentence was
made incomprehensible by autocorrect...
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On Nov 27, 2011 8:09 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
I sympathize with you're comments, however
On 28 November 2011 00:46, Chris Douglas cdoug...@apache.org wrote:
I reject the RTFM
suggestion as trolling.
I never aid RTFM. I said the documentation in conjunction with mentors guidance.
I also said the documentation needs work and asked for specific
pointers as to where.
Furthermore I
On 28 November 2011 02:01, Chris Douglas cdoug...@apache.org wrote:
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
I did not see anyone say RTFM, did you?
That's how I read Ross's account of the Rave project (mentor pointed
to the docs, RM read them, monthly
On 25 November 2011 09:13, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 5:56 AM, Brett Porter br...@apache.org wrote:
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4a. Existing podlings will need to elect a Champion, unless their
current one agrees to take on the above tasks.
add before graduation?
If
On 23 November 2011 20:25, Chris Hostetter hossman_l...@fucit.org wrote:
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: Vice President implies power, we don't want to give the impression
: that the Champion has any superpowers (reread the thread from which
: this one derives) - it's just a coordination role.
Isn't that true of the
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: * The Board needs regular status updates on all the
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On 24 November 2011 17:34, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Ross Gardler
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On 24 November 2011 17:17, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
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I had hoped that the business of a PPMC-member champion being a VP
, 2011 09:37
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coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)
On Nov 24, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
On 24 November 2011 17:17, Dennis E
the proposal needs to make it explicit that the initial champion is
the one to call a vote for the first non-IPMC champion and that this is am
important step on the road to graduation.
Ross
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On Nov 23, 2011 8:12 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
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On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Christian Grobmeier
On 23 November 2011 09:14, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
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Vice President implies power, we don't want to give the impression
that the Champion has any superpowers (reread the thread from which
this one derives) - it's just a coordination role.
+1
I imagine I would
On 22 November 2011 03:50, Chris Hostetter hossman_l...@fucit.org wrote:
: We should be reporting to the board about OUR work, not the work of
: the podlings. Podlings should only be brought in for a few specific
: examplesto mention. That's the first thing to correct.
While I generally
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On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
... We should be reporting to the board about OUR work, not the work of
On 22 November 2011 14:08, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:03 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
To me a lot of the problem stems from the fact that the reports are
misdirected- instead of informing the board about the activities of
the
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On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Brett Porter br...@apache.org wrote:
Hi,
Some time back we moved to having 3 mentors, which had the positive of more
hands and enough binding votes, but the downside of no
training for them to act as PMC chair later on.
-Bertrand
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This it's great, thanks David.
I'm interested in seeing when projects become stuck, is there source data
for this available.
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On Oct 20, 2011 9:04 AM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote:
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Sponsors
Champion
* David Nuescheler
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Nominated Mentors
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Awesome,
I'm another user. Happy to sign on as a mentor.
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On Oct 1, 2011 12:58 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:
Hi everyone,
I would like to propose PhoneGap to be an Apache Incubator project.
(Under the new, still proposed
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'subscribe' requests
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I've not paid any significant attention to the Droids podling for some
time and it's starting to ramp back up again with a release on the
cards.
There is no way I'm going to find the time to do the proper due
diligence on that release so it's time for me to step down and to call
for other mentors
and further material on the
GoogleCode pages: http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/
We appreciate any feedback and comments on the proposal.
Sebastian Wagner
2009/11/9 Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org:
Just as a point of interest, I just completed a test meeting using
OpenMeetings across
Sebastian
2011/8/1 Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com
Great to see this proposal coming back again. If I remember correctly
there was some concern about whether the application could reasonably
expect to be made to tun without (L)GPL dependencies.
It's clear that you've already done a fair
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Thanks Rob,
Looking I've the Kenai site I notice that there is as good as no visible
activity within the project. You mention that the ODF Toolkit Union Steering
Committee met and approved the idea of this proposal, but this is not visible
so we don't know what this means.
What interest is
is quite confusing (at least when browsing it from a
phone on a train ;-)
Ross
On 27 June 2011 22:09, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Ross Gardler
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Thanks Rob,
Looking I've the Kenai site I notice that there is as good
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On 18 Jun 2011, at 12:14, Kazunari Hirano khir...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Are podling and podlet the same?
To my knowledge there is now common use of podlet. It might be an over eager
spell checker, or a simple mistake if you've seen it
On 19 June 2011 09:36, Nick Kew n...@webthing.com wrote:
On 18 Jun 2011, at 12:59, Ross Gardler wrote:
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On 18 Jun 2011, at 12:14, Kazunari Hirano khir...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Are podling and podlet the same?
To my knowledge
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 11:23, Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com wrote:
The part about the ASF undertaking only a reference implementation for
the ODF format
was not discussed.
Yes it was. In fact it was the suggestion that OO.o should
Hi Peter,
The vote is currently open and thus the proposal has been fixed until the end
of the vote. Once the vote has completed and the podling PMC has been formed I
will ensure your request is processed.
Thanks for your interest.
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Ruby
* Danese Cooper
* Shane Curcuru
* Nóirín Plunkett
* Joe Schaefer
* Christian Grobmeier
* Ross Gardler
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On 9 Jun 2011, at 17:27, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote:
Can you comment on your plans, and/or can others comment on ASF
policies in this regard ? how are such issues worked through ?
I can't comment on the details if
On 09/06/2011 18:59, Michael Meeks wrote:
and/or can others comment on ASF policies in this regard ? how are
such issues worked through ?
This question was intended to mean:
What is ASF's normal modus operandi here ?, how does this type
of issue get addressed ? are
On 09/06/2011 19:53, Michael Meeks wrote:
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 14:27 -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
...
This is what I want to avoid; I would like to winkle this information
out, publicly, to ensure that LibreOffice (and others: gnumeric, KOffice
etc.) can take advantage of it. Is
Khirano,
I just noticed your mail never received a response. Sorry for that, reply
online...
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On 6 Jun 2011, at 18:02, Kazunari Hirano khir...@gmail.com wrote:
It has been familiar with us to file issues and comment on them.in the
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Noel J. Bergmann...@devtech.com wrote on 06/08/2011 03:33:42 PM:
From: Noel J. Bergmann...@devtech.com
To:general@incubator.apache.org
Date: 06/08/2011 03:34 PM
Subject: RE: OpenOffice Proposal: Nominated Mentors
Robert Weir wrote:
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On 7 Jun 2011, at 02:40, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:
would then like
to see a binding committment from IBM to fund this budget -- with cash,
The ASF does not muddy the waters of open source development with cash. Our
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On 7 Jun 2011, at 09:22, Dirk-Willem van Gulik di...@webweaving.org wrote:
On 5 Jun 2011, at 23:45, Keith Curtis wrote:
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LibreOffice will for a long time be using a substantial amount of
your software.
Great! Don't worry about
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On 7 Jun 2011, at 08:58, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
For the record, I added the Education Project idea on the wiki page
(http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal).
The idea we defend since several years, is
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On 6 Jun 2011, at 02:49, Keith Curtis keit...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 6:34 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net
wrote:
In my book, I talk for pages about the importance of the ODF standard.
Did you know that
I'm on holiday reading from a phone. This has been said a dozen times already,
but still most emails are focussing on the wrong kinds of questions.
The code has been offered to the ASF
The ASF is arguably a good home.
Arguing whether it is or not is pointless. That's the home on offer.
TDF
On 06/06/2011 14:30, eric b wrote:
Hi Ross,
Apologies, I just retrieved the mail one minute ago, sorting the n 750
mails I received from this list.
Le 2 juin 11 à 12:13, Ross Gardler a écrit :
On 02/06/2011 10:30, eric b wrote:
Hi,
For the record, I added the Education Project idea
On 06/06/2011 19:17, Danese Cooper wrote:
Well...we were thinking about adding a track at
http://www.transfersummit.com/BarCamp
which is in Europe...at least.
Actually there are two separate events we are considering here, a
Barcamp and the conference itself. I'm talking to the organisers
involved too (if he's not already),
but I'll work on him later ;-)
Ross
On 06/06/2011 23:34, eric b wrote:
Hi Ross,
Le 6 juin 11 à 23:52, Ross Gardler a écrit :
Thank you very much, I appreciate a lot :-)
Mentoring is essential in the Education Project, because our main goal,
after create
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On 5 Jun 2011, at 04:17, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote:
robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
I plan on updating the proposal on the wiki over the week-end. I'm going to
start a series of threads on various sections of the proposal
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On 5 Jun 2011, at 19:21, Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com wrote:
IMO the only negative thing then about LibreOffice is the copyleft
license - everything else about them is great. When deciding whether
to accept OO we should
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On 5 Jun 2011, at 23:05, Friedrich Strohmaier
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So one question (probably already asked): what is the timeframe between
proposal and decision for accepting the podling.
Will there be enough time
Jim,
To put it bluntly this project needs you. I say that because of both your
attempts to engage here and the history I know you have.
It is impossible to mediate between two opposing positions without upsetting
people. I'd be worried if you were showing a bias towards one or the position.
I think it is relevant how the ASF would respond. Silence will be taken as
negative yet if the ASF Board were to response to such questions without first
understanding the consensus of the members I would be most displeased with my
Board.
To expect the TDF to treat their membership in this
I think this is a diversion.
We all know the press will choose the single sentence that will create the most
traffic. It doesn't matter if this pro or anti foo, they just want traffic.
Let's just assume nobody intended any malice. The journalists want us to fight,
it makes for better
Thanks Sam
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On 4 Jun 2011, at 18:13, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:44 PM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote on 06/04/2011 11:59:08 AM:
Subject: Re: TDF/LO, what
On 03/06/2011 04:07, James Kosin wrote:
(2) The licensing is also an issue, and a serious one at that. When a
project goes into Apache the entire project needs to be signed over by
all supporters and all code either signed over by all the copyright
holders or the copy-protected code removed.
On 03/06/2011 13:35, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
Benson Marguliesbimargul...@gmail.com wrote on 06/03/2011 08:02:25 AM:
There is a meta-question here: what are the criteria by which the IPMC
should evaluate a proposal?
1. Are there enough people on the proposal to plausibly start out?
I
On 03/06/2011 14:53, Allen Pulsifer wrote:
It has been suggested
that volunteers, working on their own time, are sufficient for other
projects, so the ASF likes to see that. IMO, that is not going to cut it
with the OpenOffice code base. With the OpenOffice code base, you need a
minimum core
On 03/06/2011 15:01, Ian Lynch wrote:
So the safest community strategy is to develop community driven business
models that can sustain the project. I said this back in 2004 and went off
to do it because of no understanding in the community leaders or Sun at the
time. If 10% of the effort put
On 03/06/2011 16:04, Benson Margulies wrote:
Um, it seems to me that this discussion of builds and distribution
belongs on the dev list of the podling when/if there is a podling.
Unless someone feels that there's a problem so gigantic that it should
motivate -1 votes for the podling itself.
I
On 03/06/2011 16:00, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
Stupid question time: If TDF already has the *build* infrastructure,
then isn't *that* a clear choice of where at least some level of
cooperation can occur.
After all, the ASF provides source... the TDF could provide
the builds?? (but that's not
On 03/06/2011 16:09, Norbert Thiebaud wrote:
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Ross Gardlerrgard...@apache.org wrote:
This is why, inside the ASF, we expect individuals to represent the
communities interests not their commercial or their employers interests.
It is difficult to get a man to
On 03/06/2011 16:43, Jim Jagielski wrote:
On Jun 3, 2011, at 11:09 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
Please see Simon Phipps' email earlier today that contained a very similar
suggestion with some more detail, it would be nice to bring these two threads
together.
Simon's email, from what I can
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If this is how guests are going to be treated here at ASF, then yes, we'll
take it elsewhere
Fair comment.
Please everyone, thus us the first experience many people are having of the
ASF. We (guests and ASF people) are better than
Re someone from ComDev... I'm seriously considering whether to sign up or
not. I am ready to vote but not sure I'm ready to mentor (it's a time
commitment thing).
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On 3 Jun 2011, at 19:30, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote:
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