Re: Improved Reporting [WAS Re: [VOTE] Park Kato]

2012-01-16 Thread Ross Gardler
On 16 January 2012 11:56, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net w. snip I would like to call on everybody to snip  focus on ensuring that reports submitted are timely and contain all of the relevant

clarfication on podling status entry

2012-01-16 Thread Ross Gardler
assume that this just refers to mailing lists, subversion etc. but if that is the case then it duplicates the items under infrastructure. thanks for any pointers. Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-15 Thread Ross Gardler
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Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-15 Thread Ross Gardler
+1 Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Jan 15, 2012 6:18 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: I wish we could get past the whole idea that we are punishing a podling by insisting that they take their work to say github instead. They probably can keep

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-15 Thread Ross Gardler
On 15 January 2012 20:55, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: +1 Voting to terminate a project through lack of success sends a very clear message. Being 'terminated' is a very clear and public

Re: Improviing quarterly reports

2012-01-12 Thread Ross Gardler
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Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator

2012-01-12 Thread Ross Gardler
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Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-11 Thread Ross Gardler
On 10 January 2012 22:03, Marcel Offermans marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl wrote: Whilst I agree there is value in demonstrating a starting podling what a good report should look like by doing it for them, I also strongly believe in learning by doing, so I would still propose that a podling has

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-11 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Jan 11, 2012 7:59 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: It IS lame because we've been beating that dead horse for over a year now without any changes taking place. That some of you doubt we even have a problem here is

Re:-1 on this months board report (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)

2012-01-11 Thread Ross Gardler
Thank you Sam. Re Cordova: no idea why this has not been submitted. It had been written by a community member and commented by myself and Jukka on the Dev list in plenty of time. Jukka already raised this issue on the Dev list prior to your mail here. Conclusion, new project learning the ropes.

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Ross Gardler
Benson, I dint have time for a full response. However, I have a couple podlings that are in a similar position to Isis. That is, reasonably healthy, but small community. The ASF is about communities, if there is no community there is no TLP. Without having a concrete proposal from you regardunf

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-09 Thread Ross Gardler
On 9 January 2012 12:46, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:28 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: ... I don't know about the more autonomy proposal but I had a quick look at Isis. If they've never added any new committers thats a worry but other than

Re:[VOTE] [RESULT] Release jena-2.7.0-incubating

2011-12-23 Thread Ross Gardler
Apologies for not voting. I simply have not had the time to look properly. But I see tippy have the IPMC votes. Congratulations Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Dec 23, 2011 12:21 AM, Andy Seaborne a...@apache.org wrote: Please vote on this release: [ ]

Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator

2011-12-21 Thread Ross Gardler
On 21 December 2011 10:59, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:42 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On 12/21/2011 4:16 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: I totally agree that the use of the Apache Flex trademark needs to be clearly

Re: Looking for mentors for Flex (was: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator)

2011-12-21 Thread Ross Gardler
On 21 December 2011 21:31, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Bertrand, If there are some experienced Mentors added and I am elected to the Incubator PMC, I would be willing to be a Junior Mentor. Ha!!! +1 for Dave. He's on AOO and anyone around there for more than two weeks has

Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator

2011-12-20 Thread Ross Gardler
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator

2011-12-20 Thread Ross Gardler
On 20 December 2011 22:35, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On 12/20/2011 4:24 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: The proposal says Existing Flex-related conferences, podcasts and websites should be allowed to continue using “Flex” as part of their name - Apache Flex will have to create

Re: Non English Mailing Lists

2011-12-14 Thread Ross Gardler
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Re: Can (Podling) Projects collect funds through certification programs?

2011-12-13 Thread Ross Gardler
Further to Ians reply, I have a couple of comments inline... On 13 December 2011 10:23, seba.wag...@gmail.com seba.wag...@gmail.com wrote: How does the ASF deal with requests from companies that would like to get a certificate as reseller of a software? Are (Podling) Projects allowed to

Re: Can (Podling) Projects collect funds through certification programs?

2011-12-13 Thread Ross Gardler
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Re: Any objections to git hosting for Incubator projects?

2011-12-05 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Dec 5, 2011 10:21 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: +1 for DeltaSpike I thinkthe other requests over at asf-infra also did come from Mentors (as far as I have seen). Correct for Callback. My proposal links to the dev

Re: concerns about high overhead in Apache incubator releases

2011-11-29 Thread Ross Gardler
Jun, hopefully you will get the support you need on your dev list. However, please do not hesitate to come back to this list if you need clarity. It may take too many emails and you might need a thick skin, but we will help in our strange way. Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors

Re: concerns about high overhead in Apache incubator releases

2011-11-29 Thread Ross Gardler
On 29 November 2011 12:18, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: hopefully you will get the support you need on your dev list. However, please do not hesitate to come back to this list if you need clarity

Re: [policy] release vetoes?

2011-11-29 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Nov 29, 2011 10:10 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:04 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On 11/29/2011 2:14 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: I've

Re: concerns about high overhead in Apache incubator releases

2011-11-28 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Nov 28, 2011 7:01 PM, Neha Narkhede neha.narkh...@gmail.com wrote: That is because, every single time, the RM agreed that the release was worth re-cutting. We have been assuming that it is the rule of Apache to cut another RC

Re: concerns about high overhead in Apache incubator releases

2011-11-28 Thread Ross Gardler
On 29 November 2011 00:12, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: When Apache Forrest became a TLP, just prior to the Incubator starting, there were no mentors to tell me stuff. HeHe - and that's exactly where I learned it - although I was lucky enough to have mentors within the project.

Re:concerns about high overhead in Apache incubator releases

2011-11-27 Thread Ross Gardler
I sympathize with you're comments, however, I do want to point out that the problems are more to do with the Project committers and mentors than the process (although documentation can always be improved). As evidence I submit the Apache Rave poddling. This project made its first release within a

Re:concerns about high overhead in Apache incubator releases

2011-11-27 Thread Ross Gardler
Sorry screaming kids prevented me from reviewing properly. one sentence was made incomprehensible by autocorrect... Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Nov 27, 2011 8:09 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: I sympathize with you're comments, however

Re: concerns about high overhead in Apache incubator releases

2011-11-27 Thread Ross Gardler
On 28 November 2011 00:46, Chris Douglas cdoug...@apache.org wrote: I reject the RTFM suggestion as trolling. I never aid RTFM. I said the documentation in conjunction with mentors guidance. I also said the documentation needs work and asked for specific pointers as to where. Furthermore I

Re: concerns about high overhead in Apache incubator releases

2011-11-27 Thread Ross Gardler
On 28 November 2011 02:01, Chris Douglas cdoug...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: I did not see anyone say RTFM, did you? That's how I read Ross's account of the Rave project (mentor pointed to the docs, RM read them, monthly

Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)

2011-11-25 Thread Ross Gardler
On 25 November 2011 09:13, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 5:56 AM, Brett Porter br...@apache.org wrote: ... 4a. Existing podlings will need to elect a Champion, unless their current one agrees to take on the above tasks. add before graduation? If

Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)

2011-11-24 Thread Ross Gardler
On 23 November 2011 20:25, Chris Hostetter hossman_l...@fucit.org wrote: ... : Vice President implies power, we don't want to give the impression : that the Champion has any superpowers (reread the thread from which : this one derives) - it's just a coordination role. Isn't that true of the

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-24 Thread Ross Gardler
On 23 November 2011 20:11, Chris Hostetter hossman_l...@fucit.org wrote: :  * Umbrella Projects add a layer of indirection that make it hard for the : board to know when there are problems in the individual (sub/leaf) : projects. : :  * The Board needs regular status updates on all the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)

2011-11-24 Thread Ross Gardler
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)

2011-11-24 Thread Ross Gardler
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)

2011-11-24 Thread Ross Gardler
On 24 November 2011 17:34, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 24 November 2011 17:17, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I had hoped that the business of a PPMC-member champion being a VP

RE: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)

2011-11-24 Thread Ross Gardler
, 2011 09:37 To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: dennis.hamil...@acm.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?) On Nov 24, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 24 November 2011 17:17, Dennis E

RE: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)

2011-11-24 Thread Ross Gardler
the proposal needs to make it explicit that the initial champion is the one to call a vote for the first non-IPMC champion and that this is am important step on the road to graduation. Ross - Dennis -Original Message- From: Ross Gardler [mailto:rgard...@opendirective.com] Sent

Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)

2011-11-23 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Nov 23, 2011 8:12 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Christian Grobmeier

Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)

2011-11-23 Thread Ross Gardler
On 23 November 2011 09:14, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: ... Vice President implies power, we don't want to give the impression that the Champion has any superpowers (reread the thread from which this one derives) - it's just a coordination role. +1 I imagine I would

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-23 Thread Ross Gardler
On 22 November 2011 03:50, Chris Hostetter hossman_l...@fucit.org wrote: : We should be reporting to the board about OUR work, not the work of : the podlings.  Podlings should only be brought in for a few specific : examplesto mention.  That's the first thing to correct. While I generally

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-22 Thread Ross Gardler
On 22 November 2011 10:20, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: ... We should be reporting to the board about OUR work, not the work of

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-22 Thread Ross Gardler
On 22 November 2011 14:08, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:03 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: To me a lot of the problem stems from the fact that the reports are misdirected- instead of informing the board about the activities of the

Re: Committers welcome email

2011-11-22 Thread Ross Gardler
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Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-21 Thread Ross Gardler
On 21 November 2011 08:42, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Brett Porter br...@apache.org wrote: Hi, Some time back we moved to having 3 mentors, which had the positive of more hands and enough binding votes, but the downside of no

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-21 Thread Ross Gardler
training for them to act as PMC chair later on. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-21 Thread Ross Gardler
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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Wookie 0.9.1-incubating RC5 (General Incubation List)

2011-11-16 Thread Ross Gardler
/repositories/orgapachewookie-165/ PGP release keys: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/wookie/KEYS Vote open for 72 hours. [ ] +1  approve [ ] +0  no opinion [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why) -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http

Re: [VOTE] Accept Openmeetings to Apache Incubator

2011-11-08 Thread Ross Gardler
Jagielski jim at apache dot org  * Ross Gardler rgardler at apache dot org  * Yegor Kozlov yegor at apache dot org === Sponsoring Entity === We would like to ask the Incubator PMC to sponsor Openmeetings. - To unsubscribe, e

Re: Establishing New Committers

2011-11-07 Thread Ross Gardler
On 7 November 2011 14:11, Tim Williams william...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: ... That being said, thank you for improving this template, I've added your enhancements to the original template over at ComDev (along

Re: Establishing New Committers

2011-11-04 Thread Ross Gardler
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Re:timeline of Apache Incubator history

2011-10-22 Thread Ross Gardler
This it's great, thanks David. I'm interested in seeing when projects become stuck, is there source data for this available. Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Oct 20, 2011 9:04 AM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote:

Re: [VOTE] Accept Apache Callback for incubation

2011-10-12 Thread Ross Gardler
(sergeyg at bsquare.com) Sponsors Champion * David Nuescheler * Sam Ruby Nominated Mentors * Jukka Zitting * Christian Grobmeier * Gianugo Rabellino * Ross Gardler * Andrew Savory Sponsoring Entity * Apache Incubator

Re:[PROPOSAL] PhoneGap for Apache Incubator

2011-10-01 Thread Ross Gardler
Awesome, I'm another user. Happy to sign on as a mentor. Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Oct 1, 2011 12:58 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: Hi everyone, I would like to propose PhoneGap to be an Apache Incubator project. (Under the new, still proposed

Re:Suggested tweak to proposal template

2011-09-16 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Sep 16, 2011 7:28 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to add a note to the template asking the initial contributors to note their favorite email address. That way, when the inevitable 'subscribe' requests

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache OpenMeetings incubator for Web Conferencing

2011-08-16 Thread Ross Gardler
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Resigning as DROIDS mentor

2011-08-05 Thread Ross Gardler
I've not paid any significant attention to the Droids podling for some time and it's starting to ramp back up again with a release on the cards. There is no way I'm going to find the time to do the proper due diligence on that release so it's time for me to step down and to call for other mentors

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache OpenMeetings incubator for Web Conferencing

2011-08-01 Thread Ross Gardler
and further material on the GoogleCode pages: http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/ We appreciate any feedback and comments on the proposal. Sebastian Wagner 2009/11/9 Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org: Just as a point of interest, I just completed a test meeting using OpenMeetings across

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache OpenMeetings incubator for Web Conferencing

2011-08-01 Thread Ross Gardler
Sebastian 2011/8/1 Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com Great to see this proposal coming back again. If I remember correctly there was some concern about whether the application could reasonably expect to be made to tun without (L)GPL dependencies. It's clear that you've already done a fair

Re: launch trajectories

2011-07-05 Thread Ross Gardler
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-07-01 Thread Ross Gardler
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Oozie for the Apache Incubator

2011-06-29 Thread Ross Gardler
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Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Ross Gardler
Thanks Rob, Looking I've the Kenai site I notice that there is as good as no visible activity within the project. You mention that the ODF Toolkit Union Steering Committee met and approved the idea of this proposal, but this is not visible so we don't know what this means. What interest is

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Ross Gardler
is quite confusing (at least when browsing it from a phone on a train ;-) Ross On 27 June 2011 22:09, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Thanks Rob, Looking I've the Kenai site I notice that there is as good

Re: please subscribe me

2011-06-25 Thread Ross Gardler
Joe, In order to subscribe to any list at the ASF you need to send a mail to [LISTNAME]-subscribe@[PROJECT].apache.org For example general-subscr...@incubator.apache.org Ross On 25 June 2011 01:34, Joe Key joeandrew...@gmail.com wrote: -- Joe Andrew Key (Andy) -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler

Re: This list is for how not why?

2011-06-19 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 18 Jun 2011, at 12:14, Kazunari Hirano khir...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Are podling and podlet the same? To my knowledge there is now common use of podlet. It might be an over eager spell checker, or a simple mistake if you've seen it

Re: This list is for how not why?

2011-06-19 Thread Ross Gardler
On 19 June 2011 09:36, Nick Kew n...@webthing.com wrote: On 18 Jun 2011, at 12:59, Ross Gardler wrote: Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 18 Jun 2011, at 12:14, Kazunari Hirano khir...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Are podling and podlet the same? To my knowledge

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 11 Jun 2011, at 11:23, Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com wrote: The part about the ASF undertaking only a reference implementation for the ODF format was not discussed. Yes it was. In fact it was the suggestion that OO.o should

Re: Request: Can proposed committers introduce themselves?

2011-06-11 Thread Ross Gardler
Hi Peter, The vote is currently open and thus the proposal has been fixed until the end of the vote. Once the vote has completed and the podling PMC has been formed I will ensure your request is processed. Thanks for your interest. Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 11

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-10 Thread Ross Gardler
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Re: Remediation ...

2011-06-09 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 9 Jun 2011, at 17:27, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote: Can you comment on your plans, and/or can others comment on ASF policies in this regard ? how are such issues worked through ? I can't comment on the details if

Re: Remediation ...

2011-06-09 Thread Ross Gardler
On 09/06/2011 18:59, Michael Meeks wrote: and/or can others comment on ASF policies in this regard ? how are such issues worked through ? This question was intended to mean: What is ASF's normal modus operandi here ?, how does this type of issue get addressed ? are

Re: Remediation ...

2011-06-09 Thread Ross Gardler
On 09/06/2011 19:53, Michael Meeks wrote: On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 14:27 -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote: ... This is what I want to avoid; I would like to winkle this information out, publicly, to ensure that LibreOffice (and others: gnumeric, KOffice etc.) can take advantage of it. Is

Re: This list is for how not why?

2011-06-08 Thread Ross Gardler
Khirano, I just noticed your mail never received a response. Sorry for that, reply online... Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 6 Jun 2011, at 18:02, Kazunari Hirano khir...@gmail.com wrote: It has been familiar with us to file issues and comment on them.in the

Re: OpenOffice Proposal: Nominated Mentors

2011-06-08 Thread Ross Gardler
On 09/06/2011 01:21, donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote: Noel J. Bergmann...@devtech.com wrote on 06/08/2011 03:33:42 PM: From: Noel J. Bergmann...@devtech.com To:general@incubator.apache.org Date: 06/08/2011 03:34 PM Subject: RE: OpenOffice Proposal: Nominated Mentors Robert Weir wrote: -

Re: A lot of bodies, a lot of money, and a source-dump release.

2011-06-07 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 7 Jun 2011, at 02:40, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: would then like to see a binding committment from IBM to fund this budget -- with cash, The ASF does not muddy the waters of open source development with cash. Our

Re: OpenOffice LibreOffice

2011-06-07 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 7 Jun 2011, at 09:22, Dirk-Willem van Gulik di...@webweaving.org wrote: On 5 Jun 2011, at 23:45, Keith Curtis wrote: ... LibreOffice will for a long time be using a substantial amount of your software. Great! Don't worry about

Re: Added Education Project idea to the OpenOffice.org Apache incubator

2011-06-07 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 7 Jun 2011, at 08:58, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: For the record, I added the Education Project idea on the wiki page (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal). The idea we defend since several years, is

Re: /ignore troll [was: OpenOffice LibreOffice]

2011-06-06 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 6 Jun 2011, at 02:49, Keith Curtis keit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 6:34 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: In my book, I talk for pages about the importance of the ODF standard. Did you know that

This list is for how not why?

2011-06-06 Thread Ross Gardler
I'm on holiday reading from a phone. This has been said a dozen times already, but still most emails are focussing on the wrong kinds of questions. The code has been offered to the ASF The ASF is arguably a good home. Arguing whether it is or not is pointless. That's the home on offer. TDF

Re: Added Education Project idea to the OpenOffice.org Apache incubator

2011-06-06 Thread Ross Gardler
On 06/06/2011 14:30, eric b wrote: Hi Ross, Apologies, I just retrieved the mail one minute ago, sorting the n 750 mails I received from this list. Le 2 juin 11 à 12:13, Ross Gardler a écrit : On 02/06/2011 10:30, eric b wrote: Hi, For the record, I added the Education Project idea

Re: OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal

2011-06-06 Thread Ross Gardler
On 06/06/2011 19:17, Danese Cooper wrote: Well...we were thinking about adding a track at http://www.transfersummit.com/BarCamp which is in Europe...at least. Actually there are two separate events we are considering here, a Barcamp and the conference itself. I'm talking to the organisers

Re: Added Education Project idea to the OpenOffice.org Apache incubator

2011-06-06 Thread Ross Gardler
involved too (if he's not already), but I'll work on him later ;-) Ross On 06/06/2011 23:34, eric b wrote: Hi Ross, Le 6 juin 11 à 23:52, Ross Gardler a écrit : Thank you very much, I appreciate a lot :-) Mentoring is essential in the Education Project, because our main goal, after create

Re: OpenOffice Proposal: Relationships with Other Apache Products

2011-06-05 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 5 Jun 2011, at 04:17, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote: robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: I plan on updating the proposal on the wiki over the week-end. I'm going to start a series of threads on various sections of the proposal

Re: OpenOffice: were are we now?

2011-06-05 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 5 Jun 2011, at 19:21, Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com wrote: IMO the only negative thing then about LibreOffice is the copyleft license - everything else about them is great. When deciding whether to accept OO we should

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal

2011-06-05 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 5 Jun 2011, at 23:05, Friedrich Strohmaier damokles4-asf_li...@bits-fritz.de wrote: So one question (probably already asked): what is the timeframe between proposal and decision for accepting the podling. Will there be enough time

Re: Recuse as mentor?

2011-06-04 Thread Ross Gardler
Jim, To put it bluntly this project needs you. I say that because of both your attempts to engage here and the history I know you have. It is impossible to mediate between two opposing positions without upsetting people. I'd be worried if you were showing a bias towards one or the position.

Re: TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible?

2011-06-04 Thread Ross Gardler
I think it is relevant how the ASF would respond. Silence will be taken as negative yet if the ASF Board were to response to such questions without first understanding the consensus of the members I would be most displeased with my Board. To expect the TDF to treat their membership in this

Re: OpenOffice and the ASF

2011-06-04 Thread Ross Gardler
I think this is a diversion. We all know the press will choose the single sentence that will create the most traffic. It doesn't matter if this pro or anti foo, they just want traffic. Let's just assume nobody intended any malice. The journalists want us to fight, it makes for better

Re: TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible?

2011-06-04 Thread Ross Gardler
Thanks Sam Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 4 Jun 2011, at 18:13, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:44 PM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote on 06/04/2011 11:59:08 AM: Subject: Re: TDF/LO, what

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal

2011-06-03 Thread Ross Gardler
On 03/06/2011 04:07, James Kosin wrote: (2) The licensing is also an issue, and a serious one at that. When a project goes into Apache the entire project needs to be signed over by all supporters and all code either signed over by all the copyright holders or the copy-protected code removed.

Re: Meta-question: How many committers on a proposal are enough?

2011-06-03 Thread Ross Gardler
On 03/06/2011 13:35, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: Benson Marguliesbimargul...@gmail.com wrote on 06/03/2011 08:02:25 AM: There is a meta-question here: what are the criteria by which the IPMC should evaluate a proposal? 1. Are there enough people on the proposal to plausibly start out? I

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal

2011-06-03 Thread Ross Gardler
On 03/06/2011 14:53, Allen Pulsifer wrote: It has been suggested that volunteers, working on their own time, are sufficient for other projects, so the ASF likes to see that. IMO, that is not going to cut it with the OpenOffice code base. With the OpenOffice code base, you need a minimum core

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal

2011-06-03 Thread Ross Gardler
On 03/06/2011 15:01, Ian Lynch wrote: So the safest community strategy is to develop community driven business models that can sustain the project. I said this back in 2004 and went off to do it because of no understanding in the community leaders or Sun at the time. If 10% of the effort put

Re: Proposal for OpenOffice Incubator strategy

2011-06-03 Thread Ross Gardler
On 03/06/2011 16:04, Benson Margulies wrote: Um, it seems to me that this discussion of builds and distribution belongs on the dev list of the podling when/if there is a podling. Unless someone feels that there's a problem so gigantic that it should motivate -1 votes for the podling itself. I

Re: Proposal for OpenOffice Incubator strategy

2011-06-03 Thread Ross Gardler
On 03/06/2011 16:00, Christian Grobmeier wrote: Stupid question time: If TDF already has the *build* infrastructure, then isn't *that* a clear choice of where at least some level of cooperation can occur. After all, the ASF provides source... the TDF could provide the builds?? (but that's not

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal

2011-06-03 Thread Ross Gardler
On 03/06/2011 16:09, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Ross Gardlerrgard...@apache.org wrote: This is why, inside the ASF, we expect individuals to represent the communities interests not their commercial or their employers interests. It is difficult to get a man to

Re: Proposal for OpenOffice Incubator strategy

2011-06-03 Thread Ross Gardler
On 03/06/2011 16:43, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Jun 3, 2011, at 11:09 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: Please see Simon Phipps' email earlier today that contained a very similar suggestion with some more detail, it would be nice to bring these two threads together. Simon's email, from what I can

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) If this is how guests are going to be treated here at ASF, then yes, we'll take it elsewhere Fair comment. Please everyone, thus us the first experience many people are having of the ASF. We (guests and ASF people) are better than

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Ross Gardler
Re someone from ComDev... I'm seriously considering whether to sign up or not. I am ready to vote but not sure I'm ready to mentor (it's a time commitment thing). Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 3 Jun 2011, at 19:30, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On

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