Re: [h-cost] historical films/ plays tv drama

2006-04-30 Thread Suzi Clarke
At 06:46 30/04/2006, you wrote: Bjarne, you've been given many good suggestions. The first 17th Century program I ever saw was one of the earliest Masterpiece Theater (BBC) productions. It was "The First Churchills." This was before I had interest in costuming, so I don't know if the costumes are

Re: [h-cost] historical films/ plays tv drama

2006-04-29 Thread Lynn Downward
" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:03 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical films/ plays tv drama > The Broadway Theatre Archive has DVDs of stage plays--from a variety of > theaters--from an old TV series. That, they say, is why the images tend > to be

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-26 Thread Robin Netherton
I wrote: > >There are a number of reasons for Magdalen's supposed link to prostitution > >(which, interestingly, does not exist in the Eastern Orthodox Christian > >church's view of Magdalen, who is highly revered). But yes, there are > >similarities in the stories, and apparently some cross-fert

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-26 Thread Pierre & Sandy Pettinger
At 03:45 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote: There are a number of reasons for Magdalen's supposed link to prostitution (which, interestingly, does not exist in the Eastern Orthodox Christian church's view of Magdalen, who is highly revered). But yes, there are similarities in the stories, and apparently

Re: Wedding in Cana (was Re: [h-cost] Historical Films & Mona Lisa

2006-04-26 Thread Susan Data-Samtak
You folks are a wealth of knowledge and best of all-you share! Thanks. Susan "My treasures do not clink together or glitter, they gleam in the sun and neigh in the night." Bedouin proverb On Apr 26, 2006, at 11:41 AM, Susan B. Farmer wrote: Quoting Susan Data-Samtak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films & Mona Lisa

2006-04-26 Thread Susan B. Farmer
Quoting Susan Data-Samtak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: THANKS! Amazing what one can find, if you know where and how to look, isn't it?! I've done a lot with google image search (and museum searches, etc.) over the last few years. All I wanted was a Color Copy of Davenport . Susan (the Other One

Wedding in Cana (was Re: [h-cost] Historical Films & Mona Lisa

2006-04-26 Thread Susan B. Farmer
Quoting Susan Data-Samtak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: THANKS! Amazing what one can find, if you know where and how to look, isn't it?! and if you go here http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/v/veronese/religio1/ there are about a half-dozen detail shots from the painting Susan - Susan Farme

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films & Mona Lisa

2006-04-26 Thread E House
- Original Message - From: "Susan Data-Samtak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My Sister-in-law had seen her on previous visits and said she was more fascinated with the large painting at the other end of the room with all it's details. Any idea what that painting was? -E House

RE: [h-cost] Historical Films & Mona Lisa

2006-04-26 Thread Betsy Marshall
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films & Mona Lisa In a message dated 4/26/2006 11:07:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ya gotta love the Internet. I believe that it's Veronese's Wedding at Cana. *** Well, it's

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films & Mona Lisa

2006-04-26 Thread Susan Data-Samtak
THANKS! Amazing what one can find, if you know where and how to look, isn't it?! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 26, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Susan B. Farmer

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films & Mona Lisa

2006-04-26 Thread AnnBWass
In a message dated 4/26/2006 11:07:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.wga.hu/art/v/veronese/religio1/cana.jpg Now THAT'S a wedding! Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.c

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films & Mona Lisa

2006-04-26 Thread Susan B. Farmer
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In a message dated 4/26/2006 11:07:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ya gotta love the Internet. I believe that it's Veronese's Wedding at Cana. *** Well, it's certainly more populated than the Mona Lisa. If only

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films & Mona Lisa

2006-04-26 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 4/26/2006 11:07:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ya gotta love the Internet. I believe that it's Veronese's Wedding at Cana. *** Well, it's certainly more populated than the Mona Lisa. If only something were blowing u

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films & Mona Lisa

2006-04-26 Thread Susan B. Farmer
Quoting Susan Data-Samtak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Sorry- I don't know the name. It is huge- 8 feet by 10 feet, maybe ? and shows a feast with many people at the table. There are hounds under the table. The tablecloth is a tapestry type with many details. The background shows people on balconi

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films & Mona Lisa

2006-04-26 Thread Susan Data-Samtak
Sorry- I don't know the name. It is huge- 8 feet by 10 feet, maybe ? and shows a feast with many people at the table. There are hounds under the table. The tablecloth is a tapestry type with many details. The background shows people on balconies and other details beyond the feast scene. We

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-26 Thread Dianne & Greg Stucki
- Original Message - From: "Lavolta Press" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films I feel that way about Van Gogh. Fran And I haven'

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films & Mona Lisa

2006-04-26 Thread AnnBWass
In a message dated 4/25/2006 11:45:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My Sister-in-law had seen her on previous visits and said she was more fascinated with the large painting at the other end of the room with all it's details. Don't leave us hanging--what painting

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-26 Thread Bjarne og Leif Drews
, besides they were much more bright and positive. Rembrandt is two dark and serious to my taste... Bjarne - Original Message - From: "E House" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2

Re: [h-cost] historical films/ plays tv drama

2006-04-26 Thread Bjarne og Leif Drews
Hi Fran, Much obliged, that i will do. Manny thanks Bjarne - Original Message - From: "Lavolta Press" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:03 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical films/ plays

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-26 Thread E House
- Original Message - Have you seen it in person? I seriously doubt that seeing it in person would change my opinion about it. It would give me a better view of LdV's technical skill with a paint brush, but not much--there are some very detailed photos out there, and I don't have to d

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-25 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 4/26/2006 12:14:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I feel that way about Van Gogh. Fran ** Fran! Oh no! Too bad! Oh well. I saw the exhibit in DC a while back. The colors were amazing. Those paintings of lavender irises in mint gr

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-25 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 4/25/2006 11:22:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have, and I didn't think it was worth fighting the crush of people standing around it. Also it was so dark as to make it hard to see. The time spent working my way towards the painting and figh

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-25 Thread Lavolta Press
I feel that way about Van Gogh. Fran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/25/2006 8:33:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know that Picasso is considered fine art. I still don't like it. It simply doesn't appeal to me. ___

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films & Mona Lisa

2006-04-25 Thread Susan Data-Samtak
I saw the Mona Lisa this past summer. The crowds were very distracting to being able to see her and appreciate her. My Sister-in-law had seen her on previous visits and said she was more fascinated with the large painting at the other end of the room with all it's details. No one was looking

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-25 Thread Land of Oz
I don't think the Mona Lisa is really all that great a painting! *** Have you seen it in person? I have, and I didn't think it was worth fighting the crush of people standing around it. Also it was so dark as to make it hard to see. The time spent working my way towards the p

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-25 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 4/25/2006 9:51:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think the Mona Lisa is really all that great a painting! *** Have you seen it in person? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mai

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-25 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 4/25/2006 8:33:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know that Picasso is considered fine art. I still don't like it. It simply doesn't appeal to me. What a strange statement, since he paints in many different styles during

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-25 Thread Elizabeth Walpole
Along these lines, I have something to get off my chest: I don't think the Mona Lisa is really all that great a painting! Whew. There. I feel much better now. -E House (Also, eyebrowlessness is a huge pet peeve of mine.) Well I believe Leonardo da Vinci would agree with you, he never was sat

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-25 Thread E House
- Original Message - From: "Lavolta Press" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Absolutely. But some stuff gets canonized that probably never was very good, either because it's early, or because it's "art." Along these lines, I have something to get off my chest: I don't think the Mona Lisa is really

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-25 Thread Dianne & Greg Stucki
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films In a message dated 4/25/2006 5:24:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sometimes, the entertainment

Re: [h-cost] historical films/ plays tv drama

2006-04-25 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 4/25/2006 7:04:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Broadway Theatre Archive ** Yeswell worth checking out...even the "bad" productions. I remember when "School for Scandal" aired. I was in college then and all my design teach

Re: [h-cost] historical films/ plays tv drama

2006-04-25 Thread Lavolta Press
The Broadway Theatre Archive has DVDs of stage plays--from a variety of theaters--from an old TV series. That, they say, is why the images tend to be rather fuzzy. The quality of the performances is all over the map. There is a very good "Tartuffe," an awful "School for Scandal," a good "The

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-25 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 4/25/2006 5:24:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sometimes, the entertainment of previous days survives as entertainment as well as art, just because it's GOOD. * Why is it assumed that art is not entertaining? Weird. _

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-25 Thread Lavolta Press
And some of us still see it as entertainment--I found The Pickwick Papers to be one of the funniest books I ever read, and Sam Weller is quite possibly my favorite book character of all time. There are parts of that book that made me positively roar with laughter, and others that made me cry.

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-25 Thread Dianne & Greg Stucki
- Original Message - From: "Lavolta Press" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films ** Hopefully, every once in a while, ther

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-25 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 4/25/2006 3:07:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: becomes evident in the art as well, when you look at paintings of Magdalen in her wilderness-hermit phase. Doncha love those George De la Tour paintings??? So beautiful.

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-25 Thread Robin Netherton
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Interesting - Mary Magdalene also has the association of being a > penitent wandering in the desert for many years, and long hair is one > of her identifiers! There was a lot of confusion between the Marys, > so I guess Mary of Egypt is where t

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-25 Thread aquazoo
> Um, *that* was a throwaway line, and meant to amuse. This is Mary of > Egypt: > > http://www.wga.hu/html/m/memling/3mature1/17rein4.html > (right side) > > See, no implications for costume study there. Interesting - Mary Magdalene also has the association of being a penitent wandering in th

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-25 Thread Robin Netherton
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Robin wrote] > > I rather wish that Dan Brown had picked a saint who wasn't quite so > > central to costume study. Say, Mary of Egypt. > > Except Dan Brown didn't make the "choice". Um, *that* was a throwaway line, and meant to amuse. This is M

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-25 Thread Chris Laning
Robin wrote: >I rather wish that Dan Brown had picked a saint who wasn't quite so >central to costume study. Say, Mary of Egypt. I can just see it now. 0 Chris Laning | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> + Davis, California http://paternoste

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-25 Thread aquazoo
> And working in the other direction, often the clothing is part of our clue > to identification. This is a large part of that lecture. So part of my > answer to someone who wants to try to read an image of Mary as being > Magdalen has to do with how we use the clothing symbols to make the > distin

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-25 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 4/25/2006 9:48:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think you mean Pierrot - Poirot is Agatha Christie's Belgian detective! * Oops.and HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ___ h-costume mailing lis

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-25 Thread Kate M Bunting
Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 25/04/2006 13:48 >>> wrote >... or the sad love lorn character [Poirot]... I think you mean Pierrot - Poirot is Agatha Christie's Belgian detective! ___ h-costume mailing li

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-25 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 4/25/2006 9:28:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And, I believe also in various forms of Japanese theater, yes? ** Most definitely! And Indian and Tai, Bali, Indonesiaetc...etc... Notice how all these, and the Greek

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-25 Thread AnnBWass
In a message dated 4/25/2006 8:55:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This relates to theatre. Since Greek theatre [and no doubt before] the costume is a symbol. And, I believe also in various forms of Japanese theater, yes? Ann Wass __

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-25 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 4/25/2006 4:21:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And working in the other direction, often the clothing is part of our clue to identification. This relates to theatre. Since Greek theatre [and no doubt before] the costume i

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-25 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 4/25/2006 4:02:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pick any public trial - no matter what the jury ultimately says, we all have our own opinion on the guilt or innocence of the defendant. And it does not change any facts about what they were wearing.

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-25 Thread Elizabeth Walpole
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 2:19 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films Robin wrote, (Sample question: How can I be sure that such-and-so-image of the Madonna

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-25 Thread Robin Netherton
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > (Sample question: How can I be sure that such-and-so-image of the > > Madonna and Child isn't really Mary Magdalen and her baby by Jesus?) > > Sample answer - what difference does it make when you're > discussing the clothing? I'm guessing y

RE: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction

2006-04-25 Thread Sharon at Collierfam.com
very well done! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 7:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction In a message dated 4/24/2006 7:52:39 A.M. Eastern

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-25 Thread aquazoo
Robin wrote, > (Sample question: How can I be sure that such-and-so-image of the > Madonna and Child isn't really Mary Magdalen and her baby by Jesus?) Sample answer - what difference does it make when you're discussing the clothing? I'm guessing your lecture is to help sort out the real clo

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-24 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 4/24/2006 7:43:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But I also don't think cultural survival is purely a Darwinian matter of "survival of the fittest." Depends on that constitutes "fittest" but I get your point. Things

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction

2006-04-24 Thread Kimiko Small
At 03:11 AM 4/24/2006, you wrote: Why else would Hollywood have the balls to make the new Titanic movie that is comming out this summer...the one where they find Jack Dawson's body frozen in a block of ice at the bottom of the North Atlantic, bring him to the surface, thaw him out and he's perf

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-24 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 4/24/2006 3:33:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As a >>person who teaches costume history to college students, ** When teaching the actual history of costume, movies can indeed be a pain in the ass. But if you're teaching desig

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-24 Thread Lavolta Press
I don't think being old is the ONLY reason Dickens is revered! Oh, Dickens is good, but his works were popular literature in his time. Whereas the later James Joyce gets revered as ART, but not much read otherwise. Probably people deciding it was porn was the only reason anyone bought it w

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-24 Thread Lavolta Press
I'm not saying that all books or films are equally good, by a long shot. But I also don't think cultural survival is purely a Darwinian matter of "survival of the fittest." Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/24/2006 6:58:30 P.M. East

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-24 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 4/24/2006 6:58:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But it still seems a little ironic. The same with music--opera used to be popular entertainment. * C'mon Fran! You're acting like everything starts out on a equal footing! NOT!

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-24 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 4/24/2006 6:58:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then later, just because they're old, they get canonized in English Lit classes as ART. I don't think being old is the ONLY reason Dickens is revered! ___

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-24 Thread Lavolta Press
** Hopefully, every once in a while, there's some ART! The line between entertainment and art is extremely flexible, unless there's so much art you can't possibly view it as entertainment. With novels, it's like Charles Dickens, and many other authors, are one generation's

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-24 Thread Lavolta Press
I don't think it's a question of looking down on people. As a person who teaches costume history to college students, I'm more frustrated than anything. Yes, I'm willing to teach anyone who's interested enough to sign up for my classes, regardless of the origin of their interest or what m

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction

2006-04-24 Thread Kelly Grant
ius Merlyn Britannicus From: Lavolta Press <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:21:09 -0700 Sorry, I meant you _don't

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-24 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 4/24/2006 4:14:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nor does it mean that I see films as anything but entertainment. ** Hopefully, every once in a while, there's some ART! ___ h-costume mail

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-24 Thread Lavolta Press
I think that clothing history has for the most part been taught as a straight survey course, but this is a disservice to the field and to the students. When I was simultaneously studying history, clothing design, and textile arts, I didn't even bother taking the "History of Costume" course gi

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-24 Thread Lavolta Press
Which wouldn't be a problem in the history classroom, if it weren't for the fact that the time spent on it is time not spent teaching and learning about real history (including good and reliable sources). And it wouldn't be a problem in the world at large if it weren't for the fact that bei

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-24 Thread Sharon L. Krossa
At 10:19 AM -0700 4/24/06, Lavolta Press wrote: I don't think it's a question of looking down on people. I agree -- it isn't at all about looking down on people. (If I had such contempt for people, I wouldn't believe them capable of not believing things just because they saw it in a movie, an

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-24 Thread Melanie Schuessler
Lavolta Press wrote: I assume you do have the routine of giving the lecture and then allowing X fixed minutes at the end for questions, encouraging any really detailed ones to be postponed to conversation with you during one of your standard office hours? They're encouraged to ask questions

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-24 Thread Sharon L. Krossa
At 7:55 PM -0700 4/23/06, Lavolta Press wrote: I don't even want to think about what church historians and Renaissance historians are going to go through when the Da Vinci Code movie comes out. There are going to be an awful lot of people who will think it's entirely factual. So what? There a

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction

2006-04-24 Thread Lavolta Press
Sorry, I meant you _don't_ have to be a history nerd to be skeptical of advertising. Or even a science nerd. Fran Lavolta Press wrote: kelly grant wrote: I think most modern people have both a healthy skeptism about advertising, and an awareness that fiction (including films) is not rea

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction

2006-04-24 Thread Lloyd Mitchell
AMEN! Kathleen - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction > > In a message dated 4/24/2006 6:12:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTE

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-24 Thread E House
- Original Message - From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I don't even want to think about what church historians and Renaissance historians are going to go through when the Da Vinci Code movie comes out. There are going to be an awful lot of people who will think it's entirel

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction

2006-04-24 Thread Lavolta Press
kelly grant wrote: I think most modern people have both a healthy skeptism about advertising, and an awareness that fiction (including films) is not reality. I would have to disagree with you on the 'most modern people' part of your statement. I think that history nerds, of which I am a pr

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction

2006-04-24 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 4/24/2006 7:52:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD4OnHCRd_4 Hysterical! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction

2006-04-24 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 4/24/2006 7:01:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But ice floats! * Yeahbut Jack's so full of crap, he sinks. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mai

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction

2006-04-24 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 4/24/2006 6:12:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why else would Hollywood have the balls to make the new Titanic movie that is comming out this summer...the one where they find Jack Dawson's body frozen in a block of ice at the bottom of the North

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films (was: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 351)

2006-04-24 Thread Land of Oz
Sharon Krossa wrote: -- that is, instead of screaming "If you use this movie as a source of historical information, you're a fool", they whisper seductively "Honest, really, we're not making this up -- believe us". Because the problem isn't that films are inaccurate -- the problem is when a

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction

2006-04-24 Thread Becky
y, April 24, 2006 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction Why else would Hollywood have the balls to make the new Titanic movie that is comming out this summer...the one where they find Jack Dawson's body frozen in a block of ice at the bottom of the North Atlantic

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction

2006-04-24 Thread kelly grant
Same trailer, but not the same site...thank Christ! it's a fake... Kelly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD4OnHCRd_4 You mean the fake trailer? These are clips from previous movies (I definitely spotted a Romeo and Juliet shot) and mention of the "warm liquid goo phase" comes from the first Aus

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-24 Thread Melanie Schuessler
Lavolta Press wrote: So what? There are a great many fields which you and I know little about, which are no more or less important than history, and which we probably have many "misconceptions" about. And if you're going to teach you need to be able to deal with people not knowing everythi

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction

2006-04-24 Thread Lloyd Mitchell
At least they had some imagination in not calling this "The Thing III"! Kathleen - Original Message - From: "kelly grant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 6:11 AM Subject: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction > > I think

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction

2006-04-24 Thread michaela
Why else would Hollywood have the balls to make the new Titanic movie that > is comming out this summer...the one where they find Jack Dawson's body > frozen in a block of ice at the bottom of the North Atlantic, bring him to > the surface, thaw him out and he's perfectly healthy! I saw the traile

RE: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction

2006-04-24 Thread Sharon at Collierfam.com
But ice floats! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kelly grant Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 3:12 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction > I think most modern people have both a healthy skeptism about

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-24 Thread N Kipar
I don't even want to think about what church historians and Renaissance historians are going to go through when the Da Vinci Code movie comes out. There are going to be an awful lot of people who will think it's entirely factual. Susan That is already the case. I live & work in/near Edinb

RE: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-23 Thread Sharon at Collierfam.com
n as a kid, I was appalled. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films In a message dated 4/23/2006 7:46:07 P.M. Eastern Sta

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-23 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sun, 23 Apr 2006, Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: > I don't even want to think about what church historians and > Renaissance historians are going to go through when the Da Vinci Code > movie comes out. There are going to be an awful lot of people who > will think it's entirely factual. I'm alrea

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-23 Thread Lavolta Press
I don't even want to think about what church historians and Renaissance historians are going to go through when the Da Vinci Code movie comes out. There are going to be an awful lot of people who will think it's entirely factual. So what? There are a great many fields which you and I know

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-23 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 4/23/2006 7:46:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But if more movie goers didn't use movies as if they were reliable sources of history... ** If only they would not use them as a reliable source of anything. Many people REALLY

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-23 Thread Susan Carroll-Clark
Greetings-- Lavolta Press wrote: Let's face it, history is neither particularly valued nor particularly job-getting in our society. Tell me about it. PhD in history. Now working as a project manager (a job I love, by the way--and doing the doctorate was great prep work!) My bet is that most

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-23 Thread Elizabeth Walpole
One of the best examples of this is perhaps the best King Arthur movie ever made, the immortal "Monty Python and the Holy Grail." The more you know about Arthurian legend and medieval history, the funnier it gets--although it's pretty funny even without a jot of knowledge about either. Sus

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-23 Thread Lavolta Press
The problem, as I said, "is when audiences believe what they see in films". The solution to that is to try to get more people to understand the nature of films -- such as that they are inevitably inaccurate -- and thus the appropriate and inappropriate uses of films, and to stop using them in

RE: [h-cost] Historical Films (was: Knight's Tale)

2006-04-23 Thread Sharon at Collierfam.com
I had never before heard about TFWNSNBU, so didn't know if it was superstition or a critique. :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharon L. Krossa Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 2:20 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Historical Film

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-23 Thread Sharon L. Krossa
At 3:34 PM -0700 4/23/06, Lavolta Press wrote: Because the problem isn't that films are inaccurate -- the problem is when audiences believe what they see in films. On the other hand, the benefit is that films, novels, and other forms of fiction have gotten many people interested in historical s

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-23 Thread Lavolta Press
Because the problem isn't that films are inaccurate -- the problem is when audiences believe what they see in films. On the other hand, the benefit is that films, novels, and other forms of fiction have gotten many people interested in historical subjects who might well not have given them a

Re: [h-cost] Historical Films

2006-04-23 Thread Susan Carroll-Clark
Greetings-- Sharon L. Krossa wrote: Which, again, is why I prefer films such as A Knight's Tale and Shakespeare in Love, which include enough truly obvious anachronisms (such as modern rock music, psychiatrist jokes, modern coffee mugs, etc.), and attitude, to essentially scream out "If you us