Thanks,
Sam
Greg Sevart wrote:
ZZF is short for ZipZoomFly, website here: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/
:)
Greg
ZFS has been ported to freebsd?
On 5/12/07, Scott Sipe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I actually think I'm going to speed up my plans to use my older
computer as a freebsd fileserver (using the new ZFS filesystem which
seems very cool!)
In the future, I'll stick with WD--that's what I meant.
Scot
Uh... https://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/login.jsp
Is that what you are looking for?
From: Sam Franc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List
To: The Hardware List
Subject: Re: [H] Seagate drive died
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 13:34:46 -0700
How do you log on to ZZF?
I seem to get a
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],The Hardware List
To: "The Hardware List"
Subject: Re: [H] Seagate drive died
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 15:41:15 -0400
- Original Message - From: "Greg Sevart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: &qu
MB/cooling solution.
Just my general observation.
-Original message-
From: Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 15:25:40 -0700
To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: RE: [H] Seagate drive died
> At 03:41 PM 13/05/2007, Greg Sevart wrote:
> &g
rington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "The Hardware List"
> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 12:47 PM
> Subject: RE: [H] Seagate drive died
>
>
>>
>> While your argument seems sound, it doesn't appear
to agree with real
>> world testing. I have se
Sevart"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'The Hardware List'"
> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 2:41 PM
> Subject: RE: [H] Seagate drive died
>
>
>>
>> Thane, you also mentioned that most of the failures
you see are in
>> big-vendor boxes...is it
to a
UPS and hope for the
best is all you can do.
What happened to our resident data recovery guy Tim?
We could use some
insights from him right now!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> - Original Message - From: "Wint`erlight"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "The
Hello Thane,
Sunday, May 13, 2007, 11:47:38 AM, you wrote:
> While your argument seems sound, it doesn't appear to agree with real
> world testing. I have seen EB and BB drives fail by a factor of at
> least a factor of 5 over JB drives. The EB/BB line are WD's one year
> warranty drives (wi
At 03:41 PM 13/05/2007, Greg Sevart wrote:
for a given model, there is no difference in reliability or quality between
a drive sold with a 1 year warranty vs. one sold with a 3 or 5 year
warranty. A good example is WD: internal retail packaged drives, regardless
of model*, carry a one-year warran
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From: "Greg Sevart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'The Hardware List'"
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 4:20 PM
Subject: RE: [H] Seagate drive died
Speaking only regarding the CPU, the thermal solutions I see on many Dell
machines (
ZZF is short for ZipZoomFly, website here: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/
:)
Greg
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Franc
> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 3:35 PM
> To: The Hardware List
> Subject: Re: [H]
How do you log on to ZZF?
I seem to get a MEGAGO WEB directory.
Sam
Hayes Elkins wrote:
Almost all drives I purchase are from ZZF. The failure rate of the
raptors specifically is documented through purchases from them.
> Naturally most all components function better in a large, well
> ventilated
> case with an adequate power supply. Who but Dell is famous for omitting
> the
> CPU fan in many models. They rely on shrouding the airflow through a
> rear
> exhaust vent fan. That, along with the power supply fan makes
- Original Message -
From: "Greg Sevart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'The Hardware List'"
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 2:41 PM
Subject: RE: [H] Seagate drive died
Thane, you also mentioned that most of the failures you see are in
big-vendor boxes.
Almost all drives I purchase are from ZZF. The failure rate of the raptors
specifically is documented through purchases from them.
From: "Greg Sevart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List
To: "'The Hardware List'"
Subject: RE: [H] Seagate dri
Makes no difference, vendor is not much of a factor.
From: Winterlight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List
To: The Hardware List
Subject: Re: [H] Seagate drive died
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 20:42:41 -0700
The only consistency in the hardware industry is inconsistency.
I
series, carry a universal 5 year warranty.
Greg
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington
> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 11:48 AM
> To: The Hardware List
> Subject: RE: [H] Seagate drive died
>
> At
- Original Message -
From: "Thane Sherrington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Hardware List"
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: [H] Seagate drive died
While your argument seems sound, it doesn't appear to agree with real
world testing
At 12:30 PM 13/05/2007, Greg Sevart wrote:
In short: A drive with a 1-year warranty is no more or less reliable than a
drive with a 5-year warranty.
While your argument seems sound, it doesn't appear to agree with real
world testing. I have seen EB and BB drives fail by a factor of at
least
hardware-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
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> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 7:39 AM
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> Subject: Re: [H] Seagate drive died
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Winterlight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: &
At 12:42 AM 13/05/2007, Winterlight wrote:
The only consistency in the hardware industry is inconsistency.
I think it has more to do with how drives are shipped from the
vendor. Vendors use to send these out in boxes with big foam
inserts, but now you are lucky if they secure it in bubble w
interlight"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Hardware List"
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [H] Seagate drive died
I think it has more to do with how drives are shipped from the
vendor. Vendors use to send these out in boxes with big foam inserts,
but no
- Original Message -
From: "Winterlight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Hardware List"
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [H] Seagate drive died
I think it has more to do with how drives are shipped from the vendor.
Vendors use to send t
Hello Hayes,
Saturday, May 12, 2007, 9:10:50 PM, you wrote:
> Tons of WD raptors DOA here, but none have failed on me (36, 74 or 150GB)
> once they spun up.
Same, the one bad one I had was bad out of the box.
> The only consistency in the hardware industry is inconsistency.
Well said.
--
R
Microcenter has OEM bulk drives with ONLY the foil bag anti-static covering them
stacked in "bins" where every customer can handle them and bang them around.
(Can you tell where I would never buy a drive?)
Rick Glazier
From: "Winterlight"
I think it has
good
general-purpose selection that I use them at all anymore.
Greg
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Winterlight
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 10:43 PM
> To: The Hardware List
> Subject: Re: [H] Seagate drive die
The only consistency in the hardware industry is inconsistency.
I think it has more to do with how drives are shipped from the
vendor. Vendors use to send these out in boxes with big foam inserts,
but now you are lucky if they secure it in bubble wrap. I have bought
drives that were thrown
al Message-
From: "Hayes Elkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 22:10:50
To:hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Seagate drive died
Tons of WD raptors DOA here, but none have failed on me (36, 74 or
150GB)
once they spun up.
The only consistency in the hardwa
.com
Subject: Re: [H] Seagate drive died
Tons of WD raptors DOA here, but none have failed on me (36, 74 or 150GB)
once they spun up.
The only consistency in the hardware industry is inconsistency.
>From: Sam Franc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: The Hardware List
>To: The Hardware
Tons of WD raptors DOA here, but none have failed on me (36, 74 or 150GB)
once they spun up.
The only consistency in the hardware industry is inconsistency.
From: Sam Franc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List
To: The Hardware List
Subject: Re: [H] Seagate drive died
Dat
I actually think I'm going to speed up my plans to use my older
computer as a freebsd fileserver (using the new ZFS filesystem which
seems very cool!)
In the future, I'll stick with WD--that's what I meant.
Scott
On May 12, 2007, at 3:10 PM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
OK...so you're get it r
OK...so you're get it replaced, get a WD drive, and use the replacement
seagate to back up the WD, right?
Scott Sipe wrote:
ignore it? nope, I'm planning on getting it replaced (my comment below
about seagate customer service was me reading stories of people having
their disks sit at seagate f
ignore it? nope, I'm planning on getting it replaced (my comment
below about seagate customer service was me reading stories of people
having their disks sit at seagate for multiple weeks before getting
replaced--we'll see, I'm hopeful!).
Scott
On May 12, 2007, at 1:36 PM, Anthony Q. Marti
don't you have a 5 year warranty on this drive? You're just going to
ignore that?
Scott Sipe wrote:
On May 11, 2007, at 3:52 PM, Greg Sevart wrote:
You're kidding, right? One drive is _less_ than meaningless...
Greg
I totally agree that one drive is not at all statistically or
otherwise
We sure have varying experiences with HDs.
I have had a lot of WDs fail on me too, along with Maxtors.
Fate does not seem to be kind.
Sam
Scott Sipe wrote:
Well, my seagate 7200.10 320gb perpendicular drive died after 7-8
months of usage.
No warning signs, no temperature issues (surrounded by
On May 11, 2007, at 3:52 PM, Greg Sevart wrote:
You're kidding, right? One drive is _less_ than meaningless...
Greg
I totally agree that one drive is not at all statistically or
otherwise significant.
What I do think is significant is that a lot of other people seem to
have this same ty
st, quiet, and run
cool.
Greg
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe User
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 3:11 PM
> To: The Hardware List
> Subject: Re[2]: [H] Seagate drive died
>
> Hello Greg,
>
> Friday
At 05:27 PM 11/05/2007, Greg Sevart wrote:
Well, clearly--I was just accentuating a point at the expense of literal
correctness.
Just picking on you.
T
t; Subject: RE: [H] Seagate drive died
>
> At 04:52 PM 11/05/2007, Greg Sevart wrote:
> >You're kidding, right? One drive is _less_ than meaningless...
>
> It can't actually be less than meaningless. :) But given the
> problems I've seen over the last year with S
Hello Thane,
Friday, May 11, 2007, 3:02:37 PM, you wrote:
> It can't actually be less than meaningless. :) But given the
> problems I've seen over the last year with Seagate, I wouldn't buy
> one - and I'm taking about an 80% failure rate over about 20 drives.
Further confirmation.
--
Regar
Hello Greg,
Friday, May 11, 2007, 2:52:47 PM, you wrote:
> You're kidding, right? One drive is _less_ than meaningless...
I assume you are referring to my judgement on his one failed drive.
However, he said in his post - that he googled and others are having
this issue (which you might have mis
At 04:52 PM 11/05/2007, Greg Sevart wrote:
You're kidding, right? One drive is _less_ than meaningless...
It can't actually be less than meaningless. :) But given the
problems I've seen over the last year with Seagate, I wouldn't buy
one - and I'm taking about an 80% failure rate over about
You're kidding, right? One drive is _less_ than meaningless...
Greg
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe User
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 2:41 PM
> To: The Hardware List
> Subject: Re: [H] Seagat
Hello Scott,
Friday, May 11, 2007, 10:43:42 AM, you wrote:
> Well, my seagate 7200.10 320gb perpendicular drive died after 7-8
> months of usage.
> Big thumbs down and back to WD for me..
Never was a fan of Seagate. This confirms that. I am sorry it happened
to you but everyone else can benef
> -Original Message-
> From: Scott Sipe
> Well, my seagate 7200.10 320gb perpendicular drive died after 7-8
> months of usage.
> Scott
Damn, I have 4 of them!
Jim Maki
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, my seagate 7200.10 320gb perpendicular drive died after 7-8
months of usage.
No warning signs, no temperature issues (surrounded by fans), not
moved around, it just happened when rebooting after installing some
windows updates. Drive emits what sounds like a beeping noise.
Fortunate
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