George,
IBM needs you tomorrow.. because now they are asking a Magazine Editor
and a professional presenter to do, what YOU tried to do on this
list.. all on your own.. from your basement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o22i_gqAf_o
You and your Fox channel are more qualified to talk about
Anton,
Who has replied to this thread from Singapore? I lived there a decade ago so
I'm wondering if I may know them.
Of course you don't mean me because you know I live in California.
Ron
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George,
Before you start shouting wolf,,, wolf again :
- IBM published the following video on Facebook today.
- The video was uploaded to YOUTUBE on 27 March 2012 :
Payment Solution Providers moved to zEnterprise with DB2 for Linux to
handle thousands of transactions a second
Payment Solution
ty, Kerneels.
This is why IBM announced PureSystems, April 11, and PureFlex, the next
generation of zBx, April 19.
I met with our IBM Rep today and their Hybrid SME and they admitted that
zBx was more IBM facing, less flexible, and that is why they came out with
PureFlex which is much more
I have send the IBM PureFlex pdf doc to Kerneels, Radoslaw, and David
Crayford offlist, because the List does not accept PDF attachments or
Snagit Graphics.
Anyone else who wants the PDF, please just email me offlist and I will be
glad to send it to you.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
On Fri, May
Radoslaw Skorupka writes:
zBX can run only ONE version of Windows: 64-bit edition of 2008
Enterprise (or so).
No, that's not correct. IBM currently supports any of the Microsoft Windows
Server 2008 SP2 or R2 64-bit X86 editions, not only Enterprise.
Datacenter Edition is recommended due to
On 10/05/2012 8:20 AM, George Henke wrote:
ty, David, for the interesting point of view, but it certainly does
conflict with the comparison numbers IBM showed at the zEnterprise Summit.
That's not really surprising considering the actors involved! For a
lucid perspective you may want to
read
So the moral of this story is that the Big Bad Wolf (the IBM MF) ate all
the little sheep (Windows, Solaris, HP-UX, CITRIX servers, and switches)
even though everyone in town was warned 3 times.
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Kerneels de Wet
kerne...@absoftwareconsultants.com wrote:
Well, all is not lost, David.
Thanks for the tip on PureSystems.
I just set up a meeting for tomorrow with our IBM zSeries rep.
According to him, the PureFlex product of the PureSystems family, announced
April 19 and April 11 respectively, is the next generation zBx and much
more open systems
On Wed, 9 May 2012 12:29:31 +0800, David Crayford wrote:
What IBM didn't mention in the Z Summit was that offloading I/O to
peripheral hardware hasn't been
exclusive to mainframes for a very long time.
Careful Dave, you're starting to sound like Craddock ... :o)
Shane ...
On 9/05/2012 3:20 PM, Shane Ginnane wrote:
On Wed, 9 May 2012 12:29:31 +0800, David Crayford wrote:
What IBM didn't mention in the Z Summit was that offloading I/O to
peripheral hardware hasn't been
exclusive to mainframes for a very long time.
Careful Dave, you're starting to sound like
George/Timothy/Radoslaw,
This is were you should start saying ? ETC. ETC. ETC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-t7uVdID3s
George: or maybe you should tell everybody the story about The Boy that cried
WOLF .. but wait.. let me first put my running shoes on.
-
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[mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of George Henke
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 6:02 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .
John,
Thank you for the tip about MONO.
It appears that with MONO, .NET
A spiffing standard of English and an enchanting website.
Well done!
= George/Timothy/Radoslaw,
=
= This is were you should start saying ? ETC. ETC. ETC
=
= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-t7uVdID3s
=
= George: or maybe you should tell everybody the story about The Boy that
= cried WOLF ..
, 2012 6:02 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .
John,
Thank you for the tip about MONO.
It appears that with MONO, .NET applications can be run under
zLinux, zVM.
This would be preferable to x86 zBx, because the CHPID, not
the IFL, does
On Wed, 9 May 2012 12:29:31 +0800, David Crayford wrote:
Years ago when my wife was working for HDS and I had a lively discussion
at a Christmas lunch with some of her colleagues about the the mainframes
superior I/O. They scoffed at me like I had been living in a cave for
the last decade. I was
ty, David, for the interesting point of view, but it certainly does
conflict with the comparison numbers IBM showed at the zEnterprise Summit.
IBM, Timothly/Alan, what say ye?
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:29 AM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com wrote:
On 5/05/2012 2:55 AM, George Henke wrote:
On 8/05/2012 1:25 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote:
One point I'd like to highlight is that a zBX is *not* simply another blade
server chassis. One of the key reasons it's not the same is the zEnterprise
Unified Resource Manager (URM). For example, URM is able to coordinate
resource allocations and
In
3ebf9c9d119fd847b3a096c515a018f6947ea...@surfsdvmp35.cnasurety.net,
on 05/07/2012
at 02:50 PM, Pommier, Rex R. rex.pomm...@cnasurety.com said:
And they both hated Fox channel with a passion,
That's reasonable.
and both bring their hatred into completely unrelated topics
That's not. But
On Fri, 4 May 2012 22:19:07 -0700, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com
wrote:
On 5/4/2012 6:11 PM, George Henke wrote:
When you say You can couple up to eight nodes, do you mean 8 CECs to a
zBx, that 8 CECs can share a zBx?
Each node has its own zBX.
Each zBX consists of 1 to 4 frames,
Wow, tyvm, Alan, great to hear from you again.
Have not spoken to you since last year.
Then you were at ib...@vm.marist.edu.
But it looks like ibmvm has been taken over by uark.edu since then.
tyvm for the great zBx info.
It is very helpful
Nice to see Chuckie is still alive and well.
It
Timothy,
The links you sent are great, especially the Redbook for Solaris to Linux
migration.
I will read it word4word.
You recommended doing the easy things first which is probably the Windows
x86 moves.
But after that is it best to migrate by:
Application
Server: Application, Data
Alan,
You mentioned ethernet switches.
Does that mean I can eliminate my external switches?
Is there any effort to include firewalls also in the future?
Right now we have a maze of firewalls and switches and it would really be
nice if we could port them all up to the zBx along with the
John,
Thank you for the tip about MONO.
It appears that with MONO, .NET applications can be run under zLinux, zVM.
This would be preferable to x86 zBx, because the CHPID, not the IFL, does
the I/O, more bang for the buck.
Why would I NOT port all .NET to zLinux instead of x86 zBx?
If so, what
So Anton finally emerges from his hiding place but still too shy for a public
place like IBM-MAIN. Come on Anton ... don't be so afraid.
Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 17:18:48 -0600
From: an...@absoftwareconsultants.com
To: ronjhawk...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] It's feeding time in
On 5/05/2012 2:55 AM, George Henke wrote:
tyvm, John, Mark, Edward.
Mark,
Do I need an Enterprise Class z114 box or will a Business Class one suffice?
John,
A compelling reason for server consolidation on zBx as IBM pointed out in
their z Summit is that zMIPS GCPs are totally dedicated to
George Henke writes:
Also, we have CITRIX.
Can that be moved the the zBx?
Sure. It's the same IBM HX5 blade running the same Microsoft Windows
operating system.
Timothy Sipples
Resident
Microsoft Windows sounds very generic.
zBX can run only ONE version of Windows: 64-bit edition of 2008
Enterprise (or so). g
If your application require 32-bit edition, or other version - then you
...can still use blade, for example IBM HX5 outside of zBX.
You'd loose legendary Enssemble
. No real hands-on.
Thomas Ambros
Operating Systems and Connectivity Engineering
518-436-6433
From: George Henke gahe...@gmail.com
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date: 05/04/2012 21:11
Subject:Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .
Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM
On Fri, 4 May 2012 14:12:48 -0500, Kerneels de Wet wrote:
No disrespect but this looks a little like
I disagree. This post and your later one are quite disrespectful.
This is a technical forum with which you may be unfamiliar.
AFAICT, you have posted exactly twice to IBM-MAIN, both of
Anton Britt software consultants perhaps?
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Tom Marchant
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:20 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .
On Fri, 4 May 2012
Several dozens aswered, so it's my turn ;-)
1. Yes.
2. No.
From application point of view think about zBX as regular blade cabinet
connected to the mainframe. You simply connect to mainframe a bunch of
Intel-based (and other) servers using Ethernet/IP.
My not so humbly opinion: zBX is regular
Subject: Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .
Anton Britt software consultants perhaps?
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Tom Marchant
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:20 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: It's
Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of Jousma, David
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:30 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .
Anton Britt software consultants perhaps?
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Oh ... where is Anton Britz ? I already miss him. He used to send me links
related to Pakistani cricket (in which I have no interest). Such are these nice
ABS folks. I'd rather listen to a discussion about migration of Solaris to
z/Linux but they insist that we learn about Fox. I don't know
10:50 AM
Subject: Kerneels ( was RE: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .)
David,
I think you hit the nail squarely on the head here. Kerneels De Wet sure looks
like, sounds like, smells like, and walks like the duck that used to go by the
name Anton Britz. And they both hated Fox channel
, May 7, 2012 1:10 pm
Subject: Re: Kerneels ( was RE: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . .
.)
Rex,
Amen brothers and sisters of the Mainframe Church .hes sounds like
quack
quack to me
Scott J Ford
Software Engineer
http://www.identityforge.com
From
Radoslaw,
ty for your interesting and helpful comments.
But, I was hoping that the whole was more than just the sum of the parts,
what with the zBx hipervisor and the speed and security of hipersockets.
Our 100 or more mid-range servers are layered and seeded with a vast array
of internal
Thank you very much, Timothy.
This is very helpful and will be very useful.
By SYSPLEX, I was thinking of running zBx applications from other CECs
(any2any), and also *takeover*, like SFM and ARM.
But this is probably way to much to ask for at this time.
On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 10:30 PM,
W dniu 2012-05-07 23:19, George Henke pisze:
Radoslaw,
ty for your interesting and helpful comments.
But, I was hoping that the whole was more than just the sum of the parts,
what with the zBx hipervisor and the speed and security of hipersockets.
Our 100 or more mid-range servers are layered
-
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Behalf Of Mitch
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 1:23 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Kerneels ( was RE: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park
.
. .)
Everyone:
It is one and the same. He also goes
@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Kerneels ( was RE: It's feeding time in Jurassic
Park .
. .)
Everyone:
It is one and the same. He also goes by Helpdesk. Just ignore him. I have
him (and all his email addresses) as SPAM, so I no longer have to listen to
his
drivel.
Mitch
One point I'd like to highlight is that a zBX is *not* simply another blade
server chassis. One of the key reasons it's not the same is the zEnterprise
Unified Resource Manager (URM). For example, URM is able to coordinate
resource allocations and provisioning dynamically across multiple operating
George, you might join the IBM-ENS forums just setup on Marist for ZBX type
issues. Not a lot of traffic on it yet, but people are watching it.
_
Dave Jousma
Assistant Vice President, Mainframe Services
david.jou...@53.com
1830
On 5/4/2012 at 09:24 PM, George Henke gahe...@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you very much, Mark, for the very helpful info.
Right now, we are running RHEL and it looks like the Solaris migration will
be to that. Does SLES have better support?
Obviously I am biased in this regard. :) All I will
Kerneels,
I am really sorry you do not believe me.
I am not trying to tell anyone anything.
The IBM zEnterprise Summit which I attended a few months ago in Manhattan
did highlight the dramatic cost-savings that can be realized with server
consolidation on a zSeries box and cited a number of
Migration isn't really the word I'd use for moving Microsoft
Windows-based applications to the zBX. (Moving is a better word.) It's
fundamentally the same process as replacing an X86 server with another,
because that's what it is. Note that the new X86 environment on zBX is
virtualized, and it's
On 5/4/2012 11:01 AM, George Henke wrote:
I need to migrate 50 Solaris servers to zLinux under z/VM on a z114 and
about the same number of Windows servers to zBx.
Congratulations! You wanna come share your experience at SHARE in Anaheim in
August?
--
Edward E Jaffe
Phoenix Software
ty. I would, but I doubt it will have been completed by then.
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.comwrote:
On 5/4/2012 11:01 AM, George Henke wrote:
I need to migrate 50 Solaris servers to zLinux under z/VM on a z114 and
about the same number of Windows
On 5/4/2012 11:10 AM, George Henke wrote:
ty. I would, but I doubt it will have been completed by then.
OK. We'll 'pencil' you in for San Francisco in February... :-)
--
Edward E Jaffe
Phoenix Software International, Inc
831 Parkview Drive North
El Segundo, CA 90245
310-338-0400 x318
I will remind you
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.comwrote:
On 5/4/2012 11:10 AM, George Henke wrote:
ty. I would, but I doubt it will have been completed by then.
OK. We'll 'pencil' you in for San Francisco in February... :-)
--
Edward E Jaffe
I can answer one question. Yes you can connect a zBX to a z114, it does
not require a z196.
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:15 PM, George Henke gahe...@gmail.com wrote:
I will remind you
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com
wrote:
On 5/4/2012 11:10 AM, George
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Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 1:02 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .
and the dinosaurs are very hungry.
I need to migrate 50
tyvm, John, Mark, Edward.
Mark,
Do I need an Enterprise Class z114 box or will a Business Class one suffice?
John,
A compelling reason for server consolidation on zBx as IBM pointed out in
their z Summit is that zMIPS GCPs are totally dedicated to regular workload
processing, no I/O - that is
On 5/4/2012 at 02:01 PM, George Henke gahe...@gmail.com wrote:
I need to migrate 50 Solaris servers to zLinux under z/VM on a z114 and
about the same number of Windows servers to zBx.
Does anyone have experience with this, some ideas?
Some. If you've decided to use SLES on System z, then
On 5/4/2012 at 02:55 PM, George Henke gahe...@gmail.com wrote:
Do I need an Enterprise Class z114 box or will a Business Class one suffice?
There are no such things. IBM marketing confusing things again. A z114 could
be considered the equivalent of a BC model and the z196 and EC model.
No disrespect but this looks a little like what the Fox channel dishes up for
us on a daily basis:
a) You post a message on IBMMAIN stating that you are starting a project but
have no idea how to do it
b) You use a nameless email account with a cellphone number listed as
Poughkeepsie , NY
c)
I do not suppose there is any way of sharing a zBx between 2 CECs.
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Mark Post mp...@suse.com wrote:
On 5/4/2012 at 02:55 PM, George Henke gahe...@gmail.com wrote:
Do I need an Enterprise Class z114 box or will a Business Class one
suffice?
There are no such
I think the way it works is that you have a 'zEnterprise CEC' which is
composed of a z114/z196 and optionally a zBX .
The zBX is not standalone
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To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date: 05/04/2012 16:11
Subject:Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .
Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
I think the way
George,
Done a lot of migrations never Solaris to Z/vm and z/Linux...amen..we Dino's
are now smiling, victory...one thought, anyone done disk or cycle benchmarks ?
Or is this a slam dunk, been there too, but one needs to plan..not sure what
the total picture of your situation is...
But
Yeah and?
A) - happens all the time. management buys into a sales pitch and next
thing you know your plowing new ground.
B) - Yeah, so?
C) - They are trying to find information just like everyone else.
D) - ??
I just don't the FOX channel reference.
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Kerneels de
We have some experience here regarding developing portable
C applications targetting z/OS mainframes (which should be little or
no difference to z/VM and z/Linux) and Solaris on Sparc.
Our experience is: the Sparc hardware is more critical than the z hardware,
for example, a pointer to int or
On 5/4/2012 1:22 PM, Mark Pace wrote:
I just don't the FOX channel reference.
I assumed this was a reference to Hell's Kitchen since they serve duck on that
show and it is on FOX. Otherwise, I'm stumped...
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Edward E Jaffe
Phoenix Software International, Inc
831 Parkview Drive North
El
On 5/4/2012 1:31 PM, Bernd Oppolzer wrote:
Another source of problems might be the different character set; the Sparc
machine uses ASCII.
Linux on z also uses ASCII.
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Edward E Jaffe
Phoenix Software International, Inc
831 Parkview Drive North
El Segundo, CA 90245
310-338-0400 x318
Aren't we here to help colleagues who need the help and assistance ?
I understand there's a fine line between eloping and be used bad abused ..been
there done that haver numerous tshirts
Scott Ford
Senior Systems Engineer
www.identityforge.com
On May 4, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Kerneels de Wet
On 5/4/2012 at 04:31 PM, Bernd Oppolzer bernd.oppol...@t-online.de wrote:
Another source of problems might be the different character set; the Sparc
machine uses ASCII. But the endianness of the integers is the same (big
endian).
Linux on System z is also ASCII, so no character set / code
] On
Behalf Of Scott Ford
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 1:35 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .
Aren't we here to help colleagues who need the help and assistance ?
I understand there's a fine line between eloping and be used bad abused
..been there done
In article 4fa41a98.9020...@phoenixsoftware.com you write:
Congratulations! You wanna come share your experience at SHARE in
Anaheim in August?
Which August? 2013, 2014, 20.
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Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for
Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of Scott Ford
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 1:35 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .
Aren't we here to help colleagues who need the help and assistance ?
I
On 5/4/2012 3:01 PM, Rich Greenberg wrote:
In article4fa41a98.9020...@phoenixsoftware.com you write:
Congratulations! You wanna come share your experience at SHARE in
Anaheim in August?
Which August? 2013, 2014, 20.
Lol! August 2012 is Anaheim. August 2013 is Boston. August 2014 and
I have firsthand, personal knowledge of just one successful
Scandinavian project in which even more ambitious
server-virtualization goals were set and met; but one successful
project---conducted by serious, highly competent people---does
establish the feasibility of such an undertaking.
It is
With all due respect Kerneels, I may indeed smell like a duck, quack like a
duck, look like a duck, and walk like a duck, but I am not a duck.
I represent a real entity which does not wish to telegraph its moves to the
competition, so I use my personal email.
That entity currently owns a z196
John,
At IBM's z Summit Road Show they cite Bank of India and Bank of China and
numerous others with cost savings of 1/3 or more.
Server consolidation vis-a-vis virtualization is the rage these days.
And this one is real too.
I do live in the vicinity of IBM, and even worked there in the
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .
With all due respect Kerneels, I may indeed smell like a duck, quack like a
duck, look like a duck, and walk like a duck, but I am not a duck.
I represent a real entity which does not wish to telegraph its moves
Right :-)
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Rich Greenberg ric...@panix.com wrote:
In article 4fa41a98.9020...@phoenixsoftware.com you write:
Congratulations! You wanna come share your experience at SHARE in
Anaheim in August?
Which August? 2013, 2014, 20.
--
Rich Greenberg
like this is not your intent.
Frank
From: George Henke gahe...@gmail.com
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .
With all due respect Kerneels, I may indeed smell like a duck, quack
Mark,
This one is real.
Management has no choice or they would not be doing it, the competition is
doing it.
It's an idea whose time has come.
Thank you very much also for your earlier technical advice.
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Mark Pace pacemainl...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah and?
A)
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Date: 05/04/2012 16:11
Subject:Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .
Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
I think the way it works is that you have
Thank you very much, Mark, for the very helpful info.
Right now, we are running RHEL and it looks like the Solaris migration will
be to that. Does SLES have better support?
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Mark Post mp...@suse.com wrote:
On 5/4/2012 at 02:01 PM, George Henke
George,
Are you sure you are not working for the Fox channel because you just said:
a) you HAVE TO do this project because your opposition is doing it
b) but based on your questions, you are not sure how, what and when all this
has to work together
c) and now, you are trying to tell us, we
On 5/4/2012 6:11 PM, George Henke wrote:
When you say You can couple up to eight nodes, do you mean 8 CECs to a
zBx, that 8 CECs can share a zBx?
Each node has its own zBX.
--
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Phoenix Software International, Inc
831 Parkview Drive North
El Segundo, CA 90245
310-338-0400 x318
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