Re: Performance problem Linux under Zvm

2008-03-20 Thread Gentry, Stephen
What command did you use to determine that you had 768m central storage? QUERY STOREAGE? QUERY VIRTUAL STORAGE? Steve G. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 2:12 PM To:

Re: z/OS on z/VM Eligible List

2008-03-20 Thread Gentry, Stephen
All of this with 8gig? It's certainly doable but I wouldn't recommend it. Do you have any XSTORE (extended storage) defined? Issue a QUERY XSTORE command if you don't know. I'd say you might have some paging issues. Steve -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[E

Re: Number of IFLs to zLinux guests

2008-03-20 Thread Mark Post
In which case my question would have been the same. Asking other people what kind of mileage they get out of their systems is likely to be totally irrelevant. "It depends" doesn't even begin to cover it. As another responder suggested, he'd be far better off looking at his current workload an

Re: Performance problem Linux under Zvm

2008-03-20 Thread Berry van Sleeuwen
Hello Dave, In either case, if a linux (zlinux or intel) gets 768M it will eventually allocate all storage it can get. If not for applications it will use the 'free' memory for datacache. So in that repect, yes, the linux will use the storage you assign to the guest. But as for if the image r

Re: vmarc unpk to SFS

2008-03-20 Thread Mike Walter
One accesses a file directory with a "filemode", even though there's no filename and filetype. E.g. ACCESS filepool:directory.subdir O (FORCERW It's the "O" in the above example which is the filemode. Use that in your: vmarc unpk cmsddr vmarc b * * O Mike Walter Hewitt Associates Any opinio

Re: vmarc unpk to SFS

2008-03-20 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 11:30 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > i must be missing something obvious. > i can't seem to get VMARC to unpack to my SFS directory. You will have to ACCESS the directory and use the filemode for VMARC. -- Rob van der Heij Velocity Software GmbH http://velocitysoftwa

vmarc unpk to SFS

2008-03-20 Thread phillip
i must be missing something obvious. i can't seem to get VMARC to unpack to my SFS directory. how do i do this: vmarc unpk cmsddr vmarc b * * .cmsddr even if i spell out the file pool and my top directory, i still get: Output file specification invalid prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Com

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2008-03-20 Thread Margaret Dougherty
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Re: z/OS on z/VM Eligible List

2008-03-20 Thread David Booher
Hmmm... q stor STORAGE = 1948M Ready; T=0.01/0.01 15:32:17 q xstore XSTORE= 6144M online= 6144M XSTORE= 6144M userid= SYSTEM usage= 90% retained= 0M pending= 0M XSTORE MDC min=0M, max=6144M, usage=1% XSTORE= 6144M userid= (none) max. attach= 6144M Ready; T=0.01/0.01 15:32:20 ind AVGPROC-040% 02

Re: z/OS on z/VM Eligible List

2008-03-20 Thread David Booher
-Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Schadow Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 3:27 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS on z/VM Eligible List Can you post the response to Q XSTORE Eric ---

Re: z/OS on z/VM Eligible List

2008-03-20 Thread Eric Schadow
Can you post the response to Q XSTORE Eric The information contained in this communication is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. It may contain information that is privileged or confidential, and m

Re: z/OS on z/VM Eligible List

2008-03-20 Thread Schuh, Richard
Tha'll do it :-) Your aim was good. Regards, Richard Schuh > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Booher > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:06 PM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: z/OS on z/VM Eligible Lis

Re: z/OS on z/VM Eligible List

2008-03-20 Thread David Booher
Here's my problem: q stor STORAGE = 1948M Ready; T=0.01/0.01 15:03:33 Last time I IPL'd, I shot myself in the foot. I have 8Gb on the z800. db -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008

Re: z/OS on z/VM Eligible List

2008-03-20 Thread Schuh, Richard
> Here's the weirdest thing of all, I changed the NAME of the > virtual machine in z/VMs directory and IPL'd again and I > haven't had a problem yet (but I also lowered the memory size > from 1GB to 512Mb). The name change is irrelevant to the problem. One thing that can cause a machine to ling

Re: z/OS on z/VM Eligible List

2008-03-20 Thread Romanowski, John (OFT)
I think your original problem description " I had a z/OS go into z/VM's ELIGIBLE list. The z/OS stopped completely and the console was unresponsive." and that decreasing its memory from 1G to 512M fixed it are the major clues. It's possible z/VM memory is overcommitted (normal) but its default S

Re: Performance problem Linux under Zvm

2008-03-20 Thread Marcy Cortes
>The problem was z/VM has a total 768m of central available. Really? That's so little - does someone want your POC to fail? Or was that an oversite? Verify: From a CLASS B privileged ID (try maint), issue Q STOR and Q XSTOR >Does a Linux quest really require 768MB of Central? Depends on what

Re: z/OS on z/VM Eligible List

2008-03-20 Thread David Booher
Thank you. Your answer makes perfect sense. Yes, I running about 20 zLinux guests and 6 z/OS guests on a z800 with 8Gb real. We're still running the original default values and I've probably grown to the point where I need to be looking at these values closer. I do have sufficient PAGE packs

Re: z/OS on z/VM Eligible List

2008-03-20 Thread David Booher
Hello, The z800 runs a mixture of z/OS and zLinux guests. The overall LOAD of the z/VM is something like: AVGPROC-039% 02 XSTORE-05/SEC MIGRATE-/SEC MDC READS-01/SEC WRITES-01/SEC HIT RATIO-100% STORAGE-092% PAGING-/SEC STEAL-000% Q0-3(0) DO

Re: z/OS on z/VM Eligible List

2008-03-20 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 03/20/2008 at 03:26 EDT, David Booher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's the weirdest thing of all, I changed the NAME of the virtual machine in > z/VMs directory and IPL'd again and I haven't had a problem yet (but I also > lowered the memory size from 1GB to 512Mb). > > Does a

Re: z/OS on z/VM Eligible List

2008-03-20 Thread Raymond Noal
David, What other virtual machines do you have running along with this z/OS virtual machine? What is your CPU utilization? Is the z/VM system's paging rate high? (albeit a relative number when comparing different systems) You can add the QUICKDSP parameter to the OPTION statement in the z/VM d

z/OS on z/VM Eligible List

2008-03-20 Thread David Booher
Hi all, Today, for the first time ever, I had a z/OS go into z/VM's ELIGIBLE list. The z/OS stopped completely and the console was unresponsive. My questions is: how did it get there and how do I query z/VM to see what it is supposedly waiting for? Thanks, David Booher Quest Software

Re: Number of IFLs to zLinux guests

2008-03-20 Thread Smith, Ann (ISD, IT)
It depends. The cpu power of a z9 (or now z10) is larger than a z9BC.You need to consider what 'size' IFL's you're talking about, what kind of applications- do they do a lot of I/O use cpu, use memory, etc. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTE

Re: Number of IFLs to zLinux guests

2008-03-20 Thread Smith, Ann (ISD, IT)
You can use SET SHARE to stop the CPU runaways. We have one bad app server we decided to cap permanently. The application code problems have actully been on a Windows server -but it impacts the oracle db on the mainframe- we just capped the test db server so it doesn't impact the other servers. -

Re: Performance problem Linux under Zvm

2008-03-20 Thread Barton Robinson
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Re: Performance problem Linux under Zvm

2008-03-20 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Thanks John cp q srm IABIAS : INTENSITY=90%; DURATION=2 LDUBUF : Q1=100% Q2=75% Q3=60% STORBUF: Q1=300% Q2=200% Q3=200% DSPBUF : Q1=32767 Q2=32767 Q3=32767 DISPATCHING MINOR TIMESLICE = 5 MS MAXWSS : LIMIT=% .. : PAGES=99 XSTORE : 0% Just got the following from one of the other tech

Re: Performance problem Linux under Zvm

2008-03-20 Thread Chambers, David W.
You might want to search the IBMVM archives for LDUBUF/STORBUF and SRM settings. Sounds like you may have guests in the 'E3' queue. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1

Re: Performance problem Linux under Zvm

2008-03-20 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Robert, Thank you for your response. This is what I have from the user coordinator: We have 3 virtual servers defined, but only 2 of them at a time seem to be running. We have only 1 ifl. There are only about 5 users (all except one in DCSS) defined to the servers. I'll try to get addition

Re: Performance problem Linux under Zvm

2008-03-20 Thread Romanowski, John (OFT)
If CP INDICATE QUEUES shows an En (like E3) in the 2nd column for one or more userids try CP QUERY SRM (write down response for reviewing ) and do this quick fix CP SET SRM STORBUF 300% 300% 300% This e-mail, including any attachments,

Re: Performance problem Linux under Zvm

2008-03-20 Thread RPN01
Not enough information: How many Linux images on what size box (IFLs, memory). Also, is this all users in one or more specific Linux images, or certain users within an image? Could you show some numbers, like maybe an IND LOAD on the z/VM box? -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~.

Performance problem Linux under Zvm

2008-03-20 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Our shop is new to Zvm and Linux. We have a very small number of Linux users who are reporting significant response time problems. It almost seems as if each stops running for a period of time and is then re-dispatched. Is there a VM parameter that we might have taken the default on that needs

Re: Disk Account Records

2008-03-20 Thread Kris Buelens
I'll send a copy or my DISKACNT code 2008/3/20, Wandschneider, Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Thank you Alan and Rich. > > Does anybody have a sample pipe they would be willing to share? I am > very good at REXX but haven't spent much time piping. > > > Thank you, > Scott R Wandschneider > Sen

Re: Number of IFLs to zLinux guests

2008-03-20 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Harris, Nick J. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All very good points. We do have a good monitor we just need to learn > how to use it and what to look for. It will just take time. I think it is good to look at your configuration and estimate how many more you could

Re: Number of IFLs to zLinux guests

2008-03-20 Thread Mike Walter
>> I understand all shops are different and 'it depends' >> applies...but we are curious as to the ratio of IFLs to Linux guest in >> other shops. >The question that comes to my mind is "why would you care?" My reaction is that you're trying to manage performance >and capacity by gut feel and

Re: Number of IFLs to zLinux guests

2008-03-20 Thread Harris, Nick J.
All very good points. We do have a good monitor we just need to learn how to use it and what to look for. It will just take time. Thanks to all for the input it has been very helpful! Thanks, Nick -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Beh

Re: Disk Account Records

2008-03-20 Thread Thomas Kern
I believe the PIPESERV package from the IBM VM Downloads website contains a SYSRECS REXX stage that will collect accounting cards. PIPESERV is a tool for creating a service vitual machine, like DISKACNT and this stage seems just right for being the primary task for PIPESERV to run there. /Tom K

Re: Disk Account Records

2008-03-20 Thread Thomas Kern
The ACCOUNT command is part of the CUF and does a simplified report on a subset of the accounting records. The RETRIEVE command does the actual movement of accounting data to disk. /Tom Kern /301-903-2211 On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:51:08 -0400, Alan Altmark <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: >The same appl

Re: Disk Account Records

2008-03-20 Thread Wandschneider, Scott
Thank you Alan and Rich. Does anybody have a sample pipe they would be willing to share? I am very good at REXX but haven't spent much time piping. Thank you, Scott R Wandschneider Senior Systems Programmer Infocrossing Office 402.963.8905 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating

Re: Disk Account Records

2008-03-20 Thread Thomas Kern
The IBM provided process collects ALL accounting records. As mentioned in the MONWRITE discussion, you can use PIPELINEs to connect to *ACCOUNT and then selectively record only those records that you want. It isn't too ha rd to post-process the accounting cards and archive only those that you wis

Re: Disk Account Records

2008-03-20 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 03/20/2008 at 09:34 EDT, "Wandschneider, Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a way to have the DISKACNT collection process collect *only* > type 1 records? Or does it always collect everything; then a manual > process is needed to extract type 1 records. The same applies he

Re: Disk Account Records

2008-03-20 Thread Rich Greenberg
On: Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 06:33:06AM -0700,Wandschneider, Scott Wrote: } Is there a way to have the DISKACNT collection process collect *only* } type 1 records? Not unless its been changed since the last time I looked at it. Caveat: Its been several years since I last looked at it. }

Disk Account Records

2008-03-20 Thread Wandschneider, Scott
Is there a way to have the DISKACNT collection process collect *only* type 1 records? Or does it always collect everything; then a manual process is needed to extract type 1 records. Thank you, Scott R Wandschneider Senior Systems Programmer Infocrossing Office 402.963.8905

Re: z/OS 1.7 on a z/800 Under z/VM 4.4

2008-03-20 Thread Rick Barlow
We have run z/OS 1.7 on z/VM 4.4.0 in the past. I cannot confirm whether it will work on a z/800. Rick Barlow Senior z/VM Systems Programmer Nationwide Services Co., Web-zLinux Support, z/VM and System z Linux Support One Nationwide Plaza MB-02-201 Columbus O