Chip, does ooREXX support PIPES?
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At the risk of ignoring his assertion about
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At the risk of ignoring his assertion about the length of this thread,
Richard has provided the perfect opening for me to mention Open Object
Rexx. :-)
That's
At the risk of ignoring his assertion about the length of this thread,
Richard has provided the perfect opening for me to mention Open Object
Rexx. :-)
That's the Open Source evolution of IBM Object REXX, supported by a
team of developers lead by Rick McGuire (an original developer of IBM
Yes you have Harry, and we are very grateful for the hardware
resources. Now if we had someone(s) with the necessary CMS and C/C++
skills (and time) to take a look at the software side of the portage,
we might make some progress.
-Chip-
On 12/17/10 17:21 A. Harry Williams said:
On Fri, 17
In fact if history and memory, or is it memory of history serves me there
was no buisness case for CP67 (VM) to even be born.
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Dave Jones d...@vsoft-software.com wrote:
Hi, Alan.
On 12/13/2010 02:38 PM, Alan Altmark wrote:
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Au contraire. It was necessary for MVS development.
Not in the beginning. It was a 'face saver' after IBM lost the bid for Project
MAC and was an outgrowth of CP-40 and the failure of TSS/360.
Yes, at one point it was 'saved' by making the case for MVS development, but by
that time there was considerable customer pressure that preceded the
,
Richard Schuh
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Au contraire. It was necessary for MVS development.
A few weeks ago, Dick MacKinnon touched on these subjects during his
invited remarks DEFINING YOURSELF -- LIVING YOUR LIFE PREVENTING SOME BAD
THINGS at the University of Maine. Richard A. MacKinnon has, among many
titles, Former Head of IBM Cambridge Scientific Center.
Cheers, Wayne
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Unfortunately, I must agree. There is so much
it should be doable.
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KRIS was working
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IBM had a program. If you were a developer, you could sign up and
have
time on
one of IBMs' mainframes. Kind of like the old time sharing services
back in
the '60s and '70s.
It seems
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On Dec 10, 2010, at 23:41, George Henke/NYLIC
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z/VM has LE ported over from z/OS
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On Dec 10, 2010, at 23:41, George Henke/NYLIC
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z
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As far as getting the new z/OS PL/I compiler over to z/VM, I'd be happy
if IBM just offered it unsupported on CMS, with only a short bit of
documentation noting the differences between usage in the z/OS and CMS
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I'm just grateful z/VM is still alive and well and getting stronger and
better
every day especially with the advent of the z196 and that it is only a
question
of time before the compiler issue will
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As far as getting the new z/OS PL/I compiler over to z/VM,
I'd
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As far as getting the new z/OS PL/I compiler over to z/VM,
I'd be happy
if IBM just offered it unsupported on CMS, with only a short bit
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Maybe we can get a Windoze version of CMS to do
developement... Dear
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I realize this isn't really a fair comment, but I'll say it anyway. It's
why the z is going down the toilet so far as number of installations are
concerned. There is no way for poor techies
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Unfortunately, I must agree. There is so much talent out there that
just needs an outlet and systems to work on.
Ed Martin
Aultman Health Foundation
and Health Insurance Company.SM
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What happened to
IBM had a program. If you were a developer, you could sign
up and have time on one of IBMs' mainframes
On Monday, 12/13/2010 at 05:06 EST, Tom Duerbusch
duerbus...@stlouiscity.com wrote:
IBM had a program. If you were a developer, you could sign up and have
time on
one of IBMs' mainframes. Kind of like the old time sharing services
back in
the '60s and '70s.
It seems to me that it
I don't think I ever said it should be free
As a side question, isn't Cloud ComputingTime Sharing?
Aren't we paying for Cloud Computing?
I don't think, we, as individuals are paying into it, much...yet, but we are.
Yahoo isn't free. We a flat rate, get some email services and storage
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I'm just grateful z/VM is still alive and well and getting stronger and
better
every day especially
,
Don't we have at least a GCC compiler that would run in z/VM?
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z/VM has LE ported over from z/OS.
So things cannot be all that bad in the world of CMS compilers.
I have heard people rant and rave and bellow
That we're done and we might as well be dead
But I'm only a cockeyed optimist
And I can't get it into my head
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z/VM has LE ported over from z/OS.
So things cannot be all that bad in the world of CMS compilers.
I have heard people rant and rave and bellow
That we're done
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GCC for CMS [snip]
Building a non
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z/VM has LE ported over from z/OS.
So things cannot be all that bad in the world of CMS compilers.
I have heard people rant and rave and bellow
That we're done and we might as well be dead
But I'm only
On Dec 10, 2010, at 23:41, George Henke/NYLIC
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z/VM has LE ported over from z/OS.
So things cannot be all that bad in the world of CMS compilers.
LE has two parts: the common libraries and the compilers that use them.
...
So, yes, it really IS that bad. I understand why: no business case to do the
testing and doc, but isn't that a self-fulfilling prophecy?
Business cases are real. (And they are Very Important to some of us.)
But the most game changing developments were NOT done because of the
business
Dave.
It was the in-house ESM (Hierarchical Access Control System)
James.
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Scott, for those of us
, 2010 3:07 PM
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From an old internal web page:
HACS (Hiearchical Access Control system)is the primary security system that
runs on the HoneLink systems in Portsmouth UK (ElinkNL) and Bouder USA
(ElinkGB). It is propietary RACF for WW Hone
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Does anyone run applications in z/VM?
That's the saddest statement I've seen in a long while.
That used to be true across the board. It's really sad that IBM continues
to constrain the ability to deploy
Hello,
Don't we have at least a GCC compiler that would run in z/VM?
Michel Beaulieu
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It has a robust POSIX feature set too. The only thing wrong is how
fork() works, and there are substantial constructive reasons for that.
It's up to us to use it or lose it.
To this day, CMS is the single most efficient runtime environment
available. One can only hope that the newbes who bring
, Michel Beaulieu beaulieumic...@live.ca wrote:
Hello,
Don't we have at least a GCC compiler that would run in z/VM?
Michel Beaulieu
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There is a GCC which runs on CMS. I have not used it. Perhaps
GCC for CMS [snip]
Building a non-trivial program that involves existing libraries or code that
must access things like CSL services is pretty hard to do with the CMS GCC
port. It's a good tool for writing apps totally from scratch, but it's not
something yet that I would rely on for really
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Hello,
Don't we have at least a GCC compiler that would run in z/VM?
Michel Beaulieu
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