On Mar 12, 2008, at 8:37 PM, Lorraine wrote:
I still don't get how to tolt. They just seem to trot
and it isn't smooth. I still love them.
Lorraine
For most gaited horses, sitting deep in the saddle and putting your
weight on the loins (or shifting the saddle back) will get the horse
Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti:
What is lightness in regard to hands on the reins? what are soft hands?
Soft hands will continuously move very lightly in time with the horse's
gait - I've always heard them called following hands. When someone on
the list told me that some
I still don't get how to tolt. They just seem to trot and it isn't
smooth. I still love them.
I'm glad to read your last sentence, Lorraine. :)
Do you have Lee Ziegler's book? As you may have picked up in our
discussions, there are some Icelandic's who simply don't have a lot of gait
in
right now the hair is too long, but once they blow the winter coat and
still arent slick and clean yet, I like to use one of those bot
blocks, like you clean the bar b que with, and my horses really think
it feels good.
Janice
--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.
On 3/12/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 09:08:00PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have come to the conclusion that the Icelandic Horse is smarter
than other horses I have owned and they were all types of breeds.
Anyone out there think so too?
i
Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti:
Good question, I have actually no idea ;-) It's variably called dressage
or English trail on dealer's website, a G3 saddle with a G4 seat.
It's gorgeous. It looks like a G4 Dressage to me.
No it is a G3 (looking from pictures a G4 has
The first thing to try, though, is to run in hand or pony the horse
along side a horse that IS gaiting, on a hard surface or next to a wall
so the gaiting horse's footfalls can be heard. Again, the horse will
often get it from the sound.
Good advice Lynn. I was surprised how much the
So some days I really can't follow her movement with my hands and I've never
been able to ride her with long rein (not even walk).
Sometimes you can reward at the end of a ride or training session by
allowing her to walk forward on a long rein, head down and out. Once she
gets the idea
The other thing, however, is I believe there are Icelandics who do not
have an intermediate gait. And the other half, Tosca does not trot under
saddle. Since we're still in early stages, I'm not going there.
And the other extreme - the horses who have very little desirable soft
gait, with no
It is probably dressage, because I think the trail models have rings?
The saddles are such that the designs can be customized easily, so rings are
optional on all models I believe. I ordered one of the first G3 dressage
models because I like a straight flap, but I wanted to use it on the
Fjóla has been trained that way. Always with short rein and non-moving
hands (actually I was told to hold the saddle to keep my hands in one
place...). I still have a long way to go with her, she's a young horse and
gets very insecure when I do something she's not used to.
Hey, when you're
Leg yields are much
easier on the horses, so they can begin them (lightly, without excessive
repetition) pretty soon.
What I'm asking right now is that she take one or maybe two steps, while
moving forward, away from my leg. I have also asked for one step to right
or left of either front
For most gaited horses, sitting deep in the saddle and putting your
weight on the loins (or shifting the saddle back) will get the horse to get
under itself and generally will cause it to gait, if it has any tendency at
all.
Maybe I’m taking you too literally, but PLEASE, no weight on the loins
I feel like gaited breed horses are smarter than non-gaited.
You've obviously never owned a good Arab. :)
Karen Thomas, NC
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On 3/13/08, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The first thing to try, though, is to run in hand or pony the horse
along side a horse that IS gaiting, on a hard surface or next to a wall
so the gaiting horse's footfalls can be heard. Again, the horse will
often get it from the
Maja is technically due about April 2, and Flekka about April 9, so I'm
officially going on foal watch - although there's nothing to see just yet.
In 2004, I set up a twin bed in my little tack room in the barn. With the
tight quarters, the rusty old refrigerator and all, it had sort of a
I'll try to get pictures tonight! It really is pretty bad. Can we say
choppy, a few bald spots and all together bad? He had a nice clip last year
from one of the girls at the barn. I thought, what the heck, I'll just stay
in the lines! Can't be much harder than coloring and staying in the
On 3/13/08, Lynn Kinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 12, 2008, at 8:37 PM, Lorraine wrote:
I still don't get how to tolt. They just seem to trot
and it isn't smooth. I still love them.
Lorraine
For most gaited horses, sitting deep in the saddle and putting your
weight on the
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 07:37:09AM -0500, Janice McDonald wrote:
I feel like gaited breed horses are smarter than non-gaited. but I
also know my smartest horse is my most dangerous and my dumbest horse
the sweetest.
stjarni likes people, and i think is the most trustworthy horse at our
barn
hey where is mic lately.
Janice
--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.
You've obviously never owned a good Arab. :)
Too funny. I ride in the land of the good Arab. They're not only smart,
they're another breed of people pleasers. When I flew off Tali and broke my
back, our grandson Gabe bought him. His mom refers to them as the boy
and his pony. They
My name is Karen, and I'm a hopeless animal-aholic. To compound my problem,
I'm married to the world's worst enabler of my addiction.
Life is good, Karen
--
Laree in NC
Doppa Mura
Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang)
Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to
the
On 3/13/08, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The first thing to try, though, is to run in hand or pony the horse
along side a horse that IS gaiting, on a hard surface or next to a wall
so the gaiting horse's footfalls can be heard. Again, the horse will
often get it from the
To compound my problem,
I'm married to the world's worst enabler of my addiction.
Plus - he's a great shopper.
Your new trailer looks like a near-twin to the JayCo we have parked here.
We use it for everything, including as a sewing room and a Christmas
wrapping station. We loan it out
I still don't get how to tolt. They just seem to trotLorraine, is the mule
riding friend own a gaited mule? I wondered since I see more gaited breed
mules advertised out west than here in the east. Since you are trail budies
it would be a good one to ride parallel to for gaiting. I found my
Judy:
You always bring up such good points!!! I've seen so many saddling issues
stem from putting dirty pads on a horse, not removing the excess shed
causing friction irritation, having a dirty saddling area/girth area esp
during the winter months in the muddy or sandy areas. Since Icelandics
What is lightness in regard to hands on the reins? what are
soft hands?
Soft hands will continuously move very lightly in time with the
horse's
gait - I've always heard them called following hands. When
someone on
the list told me that some Icelander trainer told them that
This guy says horses that are not vaccinated do not get SE. Does
anyone have a non-vaccinated horse with SE? Maybe Malin? He says
there is no SE in iceland because they dont have vaccinations there.
I wonder if they have gnats. Here is the url:
http://www.sidgustafson.com/disc.htm
--
even
It is so nice here compared to Michigan right now. I am on a business
trip...design review yawn. I wish I could bring my horses and
ride...we won't have this weather for a couple of months yet.
What are the best months to ride in the southeast U.S?
-Kristen from MI (enjoying the warm weather
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 09:06:46AM -0500, Janice McDonald wrote:
On 3/13/08, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The first thing to try, though, is to run in hand or pony the horse
along side a horse that IS gaiting, on a hard surface or next to a wall
so the gaiting horse's footfalls
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 09:29:56AM -0500, Janice McDonald wrote:
For most gaited horses, sitting deep in the saddle and putting your
weight on the loins (or shifting the saddle back) will get the horse to
get under itself and generally will cause it to gait,
through pain Lynne! Not good
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 07:08:01AM -0800, Nancy Sturm wrote:
You've obviously never owned a good Arab. :)
Too funny. I ride in the land of the good Arab. They're not only smart,
they're another breed of people pleasers. When I flew off Tali and broke my
back, our grandson Gabe bought
You've obviously never owned a good Arab. :)
Too funny. I ride in the land of the good Arab. They're not only
smart, they're another breed of people pleasers.
I've only owned the one, my daughter's Thunder, and pre-Sina, he was the
smartest horse I'd ever met. When we were totally
Life is good, Karen
You're darned straight it is. :)
BTW, you probably can't tell it from the pics, but the new-to-us Foalmobile
is 12 years old, but was impeccably cared for, and is in tremendous shape,
but the price reflects the age. Nancy said that Cary is a good shopper -
she got that
just wanted to add, when I said like Lynne said, rolling back on the back of
your bottom to get the gait started, not saying to stay in the chair seat, just
go to it long enough to find out if the horse gets the change to move to
another gait, if not, don't worry about it. Just keep riding your
Amazing. NZ dolphin rescues beached whales
http://tinyurl.com/35zkw9
Raven
Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies
Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies
Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze
http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess
Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet.
oh, and this thread reminds me -- would video of ebba teaching me (once
the weather doesn't suck) count as icelandic trainer work (cuz she's
icelandic and my instructor) or not (because she's not a big name and
does not give clinics or show)?
--vicka
On 3/13/08, Judy Fiedler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'll try to get pictures tonight! It really is pretty bad. Can we say
choppy, a few bald spots and all together bad? He had a nice clip last
year from one of the girls at the barn. I thought, what the heck, I'll just
stay in the lines!
Thanks Judy - this is a great topic.
I can't define softness or lightness for myself without first defining
contact. A lack of contact can be neither soft nor light - although I
will often ride on a long rein deliberately. I like to feel an elastic
butterfly connection to my horse - although I
On Mar 13, 2008, at 6:52 AM, Karen Thomas wrote:
For most gaited horses, sitting deep in the saddle and putting your
weight on the loins (or shifting the saddle back) will get the horse
to get
under itself and generally will cause it to gait, if it has any
tendency at
all.
Maybe I’m
What are the best months to ride in the southeast U.S?
Just about any time except July and August. There are a few decent days
even then, especially if you can ride in the shade in early mornings or late
evenings. We'll have some days in the winter when it's too cold/muddy/windy,
but
I read about 'following hands' in several riding books and I guess I
found out the why of that. Theres a world of difference between hands
being 'still' and still in relation to the horse.
I've also always heard the term quiet hands. That doesn't mean dead
still as you point out, but
Again, the horse will often get it from the sound.
i dont think that really works.
I'm pretty sure it won't work either, Janice...UNLESS, and this is big...the
horse already has that particular gait in his easy-to-use bag of tricks.
Then it MIGHT, but only if the horse can do that gait at
Someone else wrote the statement above.
Ha! I've been mis-snipped in the past too - annoying, isn't it?!!!
Karen Thomas, NC
i think all in all, as a majority, most arabs and paso finos are very
very high strung. smart, yes, but squirrely.
Janice
--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.
just wanted to add, when I said like Lynne said, rolling back on the
back of your bottom to get the gait started, not saying to stay in the
chair seat, just go to it long enough to find out if the horse gets the
change to move to another gait, if not, don't worry about it. Just keep
bless your heart karen you poor thang but I guess you have to sleep
somewhere. Could you replace some fawcetts with 18k ones?
Ha! Hey, this is nice by MY standards, but then, four years ago I was in
the unibomber suite! I've stepped up from that, but I'm a LONG way from
gold (Farrah)
*grin* i used to lease a good arab. she was plenty smart, but not, umm,
very *sensible*, if you see the difference...
My experience is that many/most Arabs reflect the personalities of their
riders/handlers, probably more than any other breed as a whole. My daughter
would be the first to
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 01:43:41PM -0400, Karen Thomas wrote:
*grin* i used to lease a good arab. she was plenty smart, but not, umm,
very *sensible*, if you see the difference...
My experience is that many/most Arabs reflect the personalities of their
riders/handlers, probably more
i think all in all, as a majority, most arabs and paso finos are very
very high strung. smart, yes, but squirrely.
Not since his first year here would I consider Thunder either high strung or
squirrely. He's actually pretty mellow and laid back - but with energy to
go. Seriously, you
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:48:47AM -0500, Judy Ryder wrote:
Thanks for your input and hope you can provide video for us to see
some of their current work.
this letter clarifies for me considerably what you will and not accept
as evidence (formally speaking, your epistemology). thanks for that;
I wonder if they have gnats. Here is the url:
No, Janice, they don't which is part of the problem with his theory.
It also would be hard to get a good statistical base to work with
because I don't think there are that many people outside of Iceland
that don't vaccinate their horses -
That
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Raven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Amazing. NZ dolphin rescues beached whales
http://tinyurl.com/35zkw9
Neat story, Raven
Laree in NC
Doppa Mura
Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang)
Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to
the horse, his
the version of this that i've gotten from my instructors has been a
little different -- tuck your tailbone under you, sit up VERY TALL and
open your chest. to ask for trot, rotate your pelvis forward, loosen
(or drop entirely) the reins and let your hands rest on the withers or
neck, or even
I'm
not a Arab person I guess, but I sure see why some people are.
Karen, what you have to understand is that if you were an Arab
person you would have liked Thunder the way he was when he first came
to you. I had a wonderful, smart, sensible, beautiful Arab gelding
and I was floored whne I
If you are a user of Shapley's M-T-G like I am, you will find this
link interesting. It is written for human usage but definitely worth
looking into. Janice has recommended this in the past but this link is
more specific about what to and not to look for. I find the M-T-G
relieves Doppa's itchies
I know some sweet pasos and some sweet arabs, but overall, generally,
when trail riding, oh my gosh, i just move to the side when they blow
through :) I know this one arab, oh my gosh, she is so prescious.
She got a crush on jaspar one time and would practically knock other
horses out of the way
On 3/13/08, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(Tivar and Sina are two noteworthy exceptions, bless their honest and direct
souls.)
Karen Thomas, NC
oh man, Tivar is beginning to scare me with his look in the eye
communications! I aint kiddin at all. He will give me the hardest
mean
my vet has me giving teev and nasi their shots one at a time instead
of a three in one or whatever like that. But he said there is no
alternative where I live. Its not like we COULD have west nile where
I live, its like we HAVE west nile, many cases, every year, all around
me.
Janice
--
even
haha faucetts. That thing sure is in good shape! yes Cary is a good
shopper! You need a little satlellite dish for the roof tho so you
can watch tv while you foal watch. I think you should do like my
friend sylvia and have a huge foal watch party and grill out under
your cool new awning there!
I think you should do like my
friend sylvia and have a huge foal watch party and grill out under
your cool new awning there!
When we got the trailer with an awning, I wanted some of those little stings
of decorative lights you see in campgrounds - you know chili peppers or
stars or
very very good Laree! Wow, so specific, giving you exact names etc.
The ethnic har product section at walmart is good, and also cheaper
even, is dollar general. I often think about how my dad used to cure
any sort of skin problem in his hunting dogs by dipping them in the
drum where he kept his
I think you should do like my friend sylvia and have a huge foal watch
party and grill out under your cool new awning there!
Ok. When will you be here? Who else's coming? :)
Karen Thomas, NC
is there any breed everyone would agree is high strung? How about
saddlebreds? To me they are firebreathing hyped.
Define high strung. I'm serious.
Karen Thomas, NC
I this is Walter Feldman, the one the USIHC is bringing in to hold a
seminar for trainers. Be sure and read the comments!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEXbSiZRm0Ufeature=related
Janice
--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.
oh my lord in heavens YES girlfriend KAREN you NEED some lights!
Janice--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.
I FOUND SOME LIGHTS Wanda they have chili peppers too!! and
flamingos, i MUST have some flamingos for my tent.
http://www.partylights.com/Novelty/Critters/Corral-of-Horses
Janice
--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.
http://elizabethgraves.blogspot.com/2008/03/it-has-been-2-years-this-month-of-march.html
Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com
I FOUND SOME LIGHTS Wanda they have chili peppers too!! and
flamingos, i MUST have some flamingos for my tent.
Those are the ones. Karen needs the purple chil peppers I think.
Nancy
On 3/13/08, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think you should do like my friend sylvia and have a huge foal watch
party and grill out under your cool new awning there!
Ok. When will you be here? Who else's coming? :)
Karen Thomas, NC
Ann and bragi, Laree and doppa and Cherie
here is a high strung horse video someone posted to gaitedhorse
recently. When I saw it I thought how beautiful, just drop dead
beautiful. But I would only ride him if I was wanting to kill myself
and have my family still collect the insurance as an accident :)
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
here is a high strung horse video
Janice - what makes you think he's high strung. He may be but there
is nothing in that video that I haven't seen in my own pasture(not
counting the awful man-made hish action and tail
Stacey is a guest on the Ellen DeGeneres show this Friday, March 14th.
Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com
On 3/13/08, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
very very good Laree! Wow, so specific, giving you exact names etc.
The thing I'm not getting here is that the product they recommend at
Wal-Mart ie $3.99 for 2.6 oz
here is a video of gait. I have actually ridden on trail rides with
horses doing this for over four hours. I swear I am not exaggerating.
in 90 degree heat. and this is the gait I was talking about when I
said it was rude to come onto a metal bridge with a horse doing this
gait wearing shoes.
heres the second worse trail riding gait. This is the type who comes
up beside you and then gripes and whines for the next two hours about
why dont you slow down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9iQX-eYfRofeature=related
janice
--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.
and this one, it acts like a lot of the horses I trail ride with, but
then I started thinking about this poor kid actually being in a horse
show and how much the horse is acting like Stonewall and i started
laughing so hard I almost cried! Why oh WHY would a horse DO this
i guess this is
Fino gait. I rode that gait oncewill never ride it again. So much
energy for such little forward movement. Drives me crazy when I ride
with fino horses. HAHA!! I can hear them saying we're coming...we're
coming ;p]BTW...a few of my friends love using this gait on the
trailtheir poor
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/paso-largo-farmand39s-paso-fino-stallion-pastor-del-juncal/171553706
I simply do not understand the fino gait. What a waste of energy. They
don't make any more forward progress than a show type western pleasure
horse, but look at the difference in energy
Why oh WHY would a horse DO this i guess this is what I mean by high
strung?? Or is it he is just a bad kid? or is it he needs horsey
downers? Or is it he needs whopped upside the head??
I am not at all convinced that's a high strung horse. Maybe he needs a
new saddle, or a new
Those are the ones. Karen needs the purple chil peppers I think.
I had NO idea that there were so many kinds of awning lights to pick from.
I'd seen the chili-pepper ones, but Betty Boop, MM's, parrots, pigs, you
name it. Wow. I'm so overwhelmed with my choices that I might just have to
On Mar 13, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Karen Thomas wrote:
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/paso-largo-farmand39s-paso-fino-
stallion-pastor-del-juncal/171553706
I simply do not understand the fino gait. What a waste of energy.
They
don't make any more forward progress than a show type
On Mar 13, 2008, at 2:28 PM, Janice McDonald wrote:
here is a video of gait. I have actually ridden on trail rides with
horses doing this for over four hours. I swear I am not exaggerating.
in 90 degree heat. and this is the gait I was talking about when I
said it was rude to come onto a
My name is Karen, and I'm a hopeless animal-aholic. To compound my
problem,
I'm married to the world's worst enabler of my addiction.
Karen Thomas, NC
I thought John, my husband, was the worst -- up until I saw that
first picture. Yours wins, no contest. LOL Might as well go out in
On 13/03/2008, Lynn Kinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Despite them calling themselves Paso Largo Farm that stallion is doing
a classical fino, or fino-fino gait (and not that well IMO -- there
should be more hock action and the timing should be absolutely
isochronal 4-beat).
Could his front
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
] you know chili peppers or
stars or something.
I don't recall where online I saw them, but I saw a string of
horses--they were too cute!
V
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To compound my problem,
I'm married to the world's worst enabler of my addiction.
You are soo lucky!!
V
How about these?
http://www.partylights.com/Novelty/Leisure/Pillsbury-Doughboy
Who knew...? I learn SO much on this list. :)
Karen Thomas, NC
It's hard to believe that it has been 2 years since we were on foal
watch together -- hope these guys are like Dancer and pop out the
first night and so fast they are on their feet an hour after you last
checked.
Time flies. That thought just hit Cary. He's sure now that I have decent
Tongue in check, the Peruvians say it is because Puerto Rico is such a
small island -- the horses didn't have to take big steps to get everywhere.
That's the first plausible explanation I've heard.
Karen Thomas, NC
On Mar 13, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Wanda Lauscher wrote:
On 13/03/2008, Lynn Kinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Despite them calling themselves Paso Largo Farm that stallion is doing
a classical fino, or fino-fino gait (and not that well IMO -- there
should be more hock action and the timing should
is there any breed everyone would agree is high strung? How about
saddlebreds? To me they are firebreathing hyped.
Well, first of all, the show saddlebreds are usually kept in tiny dark
stalls, so they will appear exactly like you say when they see the light of
day in the show ring...
On 13/03/2008, Lynn Kinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If they were weighted, that would throw the timing off.
The feet look normal and what seems out of time is the rear feet. Paso
Finos are allowed to show in keg shoes weighing no more than ten
ounces:
No, in most of the pictures they look
No, in most of the pictures they look normal, except for the section
where he's running up and down the fence. The front feet look
different than in other photos.
Wait, I've lost track. Which one are we talking about - the palomino
Saddlebred, the Paso Fino, or the Peruvian in the
Only thing walls doesnt do tho
is buck. thank the good lord for small favors for that at least!!
Okay Janice, I'll have Bruce film Hunter at the start of the next endurance
ride (not RACE) we do. And I don't really consider him high strung, just
sort of highly reactive. This is not
Ever since I read those words this morning I have tried to think of a group
of consistantly high strung horses. I see a lot of really quiet nice Arabs.
I used to buy off track Thoroughbreds and loved them and rode them and
hauled them everywhere - very nce horses.
The most wired horses I know
On Mar 13, 2008, at 5:59 PM, Karen Thomas wrote:
No, in most of the pictures they look normal, except for the
section
where he's running up and down the fence. The front feet look
different than in other photos.
Wait, I've lost track. Which one are we talking about - the palomino
On 13/03/2008, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wait, I've lost track. Which one are we talking about - the palomino
Saddlebred, the Paso Fino, or the Peruvian in the Feldman video?
I was referring to the palomino. I can't find the video link now. I
must have pressed delete.
Wanda
Could you post the Feldman one again? -- I missed it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEXbSiZRm0Ufeature=related
Karen Thomas, NC
Another mare from the same breeder weaves even in pasture, stops eating
at the drop or a hat and cribs. Two others are similar. They are the
weirdest wild-eyed horses I have ever seen, but they all had the same
rough handling.
There have been several times when I've heard such-and-such
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