An excerpt from The Strangest Secret by Earl Nightingale
George Bernard Shaw said, People are always blaming their circumstances
for what they are. I don't believe in circumstances. The people who get on
in this world are the people who get up and look for the circumstances they
want, and
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 20:47:07 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
One is of Tildra, we think she is a silver dapple chestnut with a splash and 2
blue eyes.
Pretty mare, but silver dapple bay - silver dapple cannot show on
chestnut.
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:17 PM, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I assume there was some sort of bug involved, but I didn't see it.
What is that stereotype about redheads having tempers? :) Here's the
little pink princess.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeV7hTcB05k
LOL! Too cute!
Trust me, going really fast is vastly over rated. I love that my
Icelandic cross can gait along in a sweet easy gait that doesn't require
prayer.
Nancy
or an energy level thats the same as a full blown gallop. Teev did a
flying pace I think twice! I really do, it felt just like a rack.
how do you do the panacur purge Lynne? I think I will try it on Jas...
Janice
--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Actually the thing that made a nice dent was powdered
garlic. Janice
Janice, Have you tried any of the Spot-on products? I came out last week and
my horses were totally getting eaten up and scabby everywhere, so I tried
Spot-On and they have been completely bite free for a week and all
Aren't they pretty things? Does purchasing mean a move to the Islands?
Bummer.
Nancy
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=4jh0nhxz.aset5kjnx=0y=8g9dm0localeid=en_US
Here are a bunch of pictures from last week's trip up to the far northern
end of the NC Outer Banks,
Great pics, Karen. Where do these horses
2008/6/5 Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
but smooth for me, on a hard clay road. Same as teev, I would have to
beat him or panic him to make him go that fast if other horses werent
just flying.
Wellfor heaven's sake Janice. Pop a dropped noseband on him and
strap it down really tight
As each year passes, I learn just how much it is that I don't know...
Usually every year, I struggle with Peppy's coat (he's the miniature)
and he looks ratty well into the summer, and then suddenly he's glossy
for a few minutes, and he immediately begins growing in his winter
coat...all the
http://diss-epsilon.slu.se/archive/1347/01/Albertsd%C3%B2ttir_21.pdf
--
Laree in NC
Doppa Mura
Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang)
Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to
the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. -
William Farley
I ride ponies
--- Skye and Sally ~Fire Island
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here is a couple of pictures from yesterday.
WOW! Ponies in Paridise - doesn't get much better than
that, huh?
Susan in NV
read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink:
http://desertduty.blogspot.com/
This is what I have to put up with while I'm on the computer. She was
just inside, and went immediately to the screen so she could ask to
come in again...
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=IqAq24iLKV0
Wanda
--
Thoughts become things...
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Wanda Lauscher
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was finally able to deworm last night, so maybe that will kick start
the rest to start shedding properly.
I wormed (Panacur) Gat and Orri last night too. This was the first
time I ever wormed a horse--I looked up
2008/6/5 Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I wormed (Panacur) Gat and Orri last night too. This was the first
time I ever wormed a horse--I looked up 'how-to' on the internet (ie
how to hold the head, where to put the syringe, etc) and because I
didn't know if the horses would fight me about
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Wanda Lauscher
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then treats follow immediately...
Oops! Forgot the treats.
Well I dewormed with something called Safeguard last night. It's
fenbendazole.
The Panacur is fenbendazole.
Next, I'll either deworm with Quest
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have attached some pics of Doppa (she isn't a model so these aren't
perfect conformation shots) and I think it would be helpful if some
of the folks that breed (Mic, Karen, etc) and some of the folks that
are
2008/6/5 Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Oops! Forgot the treats.
Then I came in and had a cup of tea and a piece of cake...so it was
treats all around.
The Panacur is fenbendazole.
...good to know.
So it doesn't really matter what you use? I'm just wondering if a
specific wormer is
So it doesn't really matter what you use? I'm just wondering if a
specific wormer is better at a certain time of year.
I am in the South so we have to deworm all year but I don't know if
that is different in the North
--
Laree in NC
Doppa Mura
Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang)
Yet when
This is a very good idea Laree. What I would like to see is an entire
group of Icelandic conformation photos, including one that the experienced
folks think is near perfect. Then I'd like to have their faults pointed
out. I have no intention of breeding or selling my mares and I think I'm
Aren't they pretty things? Does purchasing mean a move to the
Islands?
Bummer.
Nancy
I haven't had time to reply to each photo - but I sure have been
enjoying all the photos that get posted. Thanks everyone, for taking
the time to post.
Penny
Great pics, Karen. Where do these horses get their water and do you
think it's instincts that keep them from drinking the ocean water or
taste?
Do you remember the first of the pictures that showed the family of four,
including that little chestnut filly (?) with the blaze? They were
On Jun 5, 2008, at 3:50 AM, Janice McDonald wrote:
how do you do the panacur purge Lynne? I think I will try it on Jas...
Janice
It's two tubes of Panacur (fenbendazole) every day for five days . . .
or, less expensive. is to buy the Power Pak directly: (
2008/6/5 Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I am in the South so we have to deworm all year but I don't know if
that is different in the North
We only need to deworm three times a year. I'm late doing it this
spring though. I normally deworm by the early part of May. (we had
frost just a few
come on, folks, this is the icehorses list. the only acceptable answer
is no bit at all, the tolt is done in a sidepull.
--vicka
So it doesn't really matter what you use? I'm just wondering if a
specific wormer is better at a certain time of year.
There are two schools of thought that are actually pretty similiar. I
think everyone agrees that wormers need to be rotated so that you
aren't allowing your horses to build
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is a very good idea Laree. What I would like to see is an entire
group of Icelandic conformation photos,
I think it's very important we don't use photos unless we have the
owner's permission. Your guys would be
Great idea Laree. I'll take some of Kria. I know Karen and Anna each
have one of her offspring. They might be interested in knowing how
far their apples fell from the tree.
Laree, take this for what it's worth, but I pay attention to legs.
What do you see?
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Wanda Lauscher
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2008/6/5 Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
We only need to deworm three times a year.
Then again at the end of July and then again after the first good frost..
OK--so that means since I did Panacur ( fenbendazole ) then
Laree, do you know where her LS joint is in relation to her hip bones?
Wanda
2008/6/5 Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
OK--so that means since I did Panacur ( fenbendazole ) then the next
two times I can use the Ivermectin and then the Strongid -- when would
I use the Quest?
Next year? How often are you planning to deworm this year? I think
you're more in the banana
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Lynn Kinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jun 5, 2008, at 3:50 AM, Janice McDonald wrote:
how do you do the panacur purge Lynne? I think I will try it on Jas...
Janice
It's two tubes of Panacur (fenbendazole) every day for five days . . .
or, less expensive.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Wanda Lauscher
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2008/6/5 Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
OK--so that means since I did Panacur ( fenbendazole ) then the next
two times I can use the Ivermectin and then the Strongid -- when would
I use the Quest?
Next year? How
They can make you crazy with the in and out. I frequently wish for a
doggie door. They do make them for sliding glass doors that you can
put in and take out as you want to use it. Unfortunately the only
sliding glass doors we have is off the bedroom to the terrace so can't
use it. Don't want a
the half the price I normally spend on deworming per year. Actually
it probably cost less than half. I can spend anywhere from 17.99 to
25.00 for a tube of dewormer here, and the most I spent was 8.95 (for
the Quest). That's a substantial saving.
Hi Wanda,
yes, what about customs,
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I did get a couple of cool pictures of the Corolla
lighthouse and the old
Whalehead Hunt Club from the water.
Wow, your trip brings back my life's memories prior to
moving west! I was raised in Va. Beach just a couple
hours north of Nags Head and
2008/6/5 Monica [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
yes, what about customs, shipping to Canada? Jeffer's ships without
asking questions? Do you have to pay extra taxes/duty when you pick up
the shipment?
I didn't on this shipment. I'm not sure what the limit is on duty
costs now. Maybe they think I've paid
It's two tubes of Panacur (fenbendazole) every day for five days
or, less expensive. is to buy the Power Pak directly: (
http://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?PGGUID=30e07fed-7b6a-11d5-a192
-00b0d0204ae5)
What does the purge do?
It removes the third stage small strongyles which
On Jun 5, 2008, at 5:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
come on, folks, this is the icehorses list. the only acceptable answer
is no bit at all, the tolt is done in a sidepull.
--vicka
Or, more correctly, a bit doesn't produce a gait; natural talent
produces gait, aided by the rider's seat
I wormed (Panacur) Gat and Orri last night too. This was the first
time I ever wormed a horse--I looked up 'how-to' on the internet (ie
how to hold the head, where to put the syringe, etc) and because I
didn't know if the horses would fight me about it I was worried.
I just squirt the
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just squirt the stuff into their supplements.
That's another area of research I need to do. So far all I have is a
mineral block. I thought I'd buy some flax, but other than that I'm
not sure what else to get.
V
Hmmm...since worming seems to correspond to region I think I better
check with my vet.
I think that's best. It doesn't hurt to read up and we all should take some
ownership of our animal's medical care, but your vet should be the one you
trust the most. If not, find another vet. :)
On Jun 5, 2008, at 9:15 AM, Judy Ryder wrote:
I wormed (Panacur) Gat and Orri last night too. This was the first
time I ever wormed a horse--I looked up 'how-to' on the internet (ie
how to hold the head, where to put the syringe, etc) and because I
didn't know if the horses would fight me
That's another area of research I need to do. So far all I have is a
mineral block. I thought I'd buy some flax, but other than that I'm not
sure what else to get. V
That's another thing you should talk to your vet about. I prefer to err
slightly to the underfeeding side than risk
I just squirt the stuff into their supplements.
That's so funny, because I felt pretty stupid a year or two ago. The
original paste wormers must have tasted awful, because it used to be a real
struggle to get some of the horses to swallow them. Gracie was one who was
VERY resistant about
I am in the South so we have to deworm all year but I don't know if that
is different in the North
Laree, did you read that special in The Horse a year or two ago? There is
actually some evidence to think those horses in the South (or other hot
areas) are less likely to need worming in
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:38:47 -0400, you wrote:
I think it would be helpful if some
of the folks that breed (Mic, Karen, etc) and some of the folks that
are knowledgable about conformation(Judy, etc) would take these pics
and list some of the strong and weak points of this horse.
I freely admit
I have attached some pics of Doppa (she isn't a model so these aren't
perfect conformation shots) and I think it would be helpful if some of
the folks that breed (Mic, Karen, etc) and some of the folks that are
knowledgable about conformation(Judy, etc) would take these pics and
list
Come on, Folks, who's going to take a shot at this - you don't have to
be an expert.
This is great! Wanda, Karen, Mic - thanks for jumping in. I am going
to try to take a stab at looking at these pics like I don't know her
and tell you what I see - for those of you that are new to this, you
I need
to buy a microscope.
That's the conclusion I've come to - it's on my Xmas list - does
anyone know a good source for a good microscope?
--
Laree in NC
Doppa Mura
Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang)
Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to
the horse, his human
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Bia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Charlie arrived safe and sound with Terry on Sat. afternoon. He is much
thinner than I thought. I put him by himself in a part of the property
still
allowing the other horses and Hazel the mule to check him out. He is
thinner
than
http://diss-epsilon.slu.se/archive/1347/01/Albertsd%C3%B2ttir_21.pdf
It says about breeding:
A unique breeding assessment system was established in 1950 with a
scoring index for registration of individual traits on a linear scale; the
traits are
judged in breeding field-tests (Árnason
In a message dated 6/5/2008 11:01:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I've also dewormed with Eqvalan Gold
Zimectrin Gold
Renee
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2008/6/5 Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Now you can see that conformation to some extent is a personal opinion
and that none of us are wrong, we just look each horse a little
differently - bringing something different to the table. Anyone else
want to jump in before I tell you what I
2008/6/5 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Zimectrin Gold
Renee
Thanks. I'll order that the next time.
Wanda
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have ridden with a horse that survived EPM. One cheek was way sunk
in. The owner said the oly time it affected him was he had trouble
going up or down steep hills, I cant remember which, that he had to
take it real
This is great, because it works in those places where it's some times
difficult to get to with tweezers: between toes, in the middle of a head
full of dark hair, etc.
Laree, you mean you don't have a tick removal tool? I get them from my
small animal vet. They only cost about $3 I
I've also dewormed with Eqvalan Gold Zimectrin Gold
I use one of those in my rotation too - usually one of those two products
once a year. It's another reason to stay in communication with your vet.
These two products are fairly new, maybe 3-5 years old, I think. If you get
complacent
I will see if my friend down the street that took the photos can do
the videos. I don't have the right equipment - my cell phone makes
phone calls and nothing else. My camera might have a video feature.
Personally I thought her
back was a little long, but it's not sagging at all...so there
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Raven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Speaking of weight loss - Raven you need to join this conversation. How much
have you lost?
35 lbs. got 10-15 left to lose.
That is great, Raven! I've lost 20 on the Weight Watchers Core plan since the
first of
the year and
this system has undergone continuous development where marketing
objectives, among other things, are considered; affecting what traits
are included in the breeding objectives and their weighting
proportions.
Sounds like a moving target.
And if for no other reason (and there are plenty
http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=12001
Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com
http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=12012
Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com
It's harder than you think to get pics that are helpful at all - they
definitely aren't into this modelling gig.
Oh no. I must be the stereotypical stage mom. Sina seems to love modeling.
Have I shown you her portfolio? She models on several websites now. At
least she's a healthy
Great idea Laree. I'll take some of Kria.
I have Kria's daughter, Saga. When I bought Saga, I had her bred to Robyn's
Segull. Saga is a very nice mare in so many ways - wonderful personality,
friendly, sweet, nice-enough conformation, gaits out the ying-yang, but she
only strikes you as
I think this mare has a pleasant enough head (Icelandics don't have the
prettiest heads,as a whole) and it seems in proportion to her body. Her
ears are a little large but not to a point that they are distracting and
they are well placed. She has a nice soft eye and pleasant expression.
--- Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
This is a rising
three year old colt called Odin.
I'll take a stab at this, but I could be all wrong!
First of all, I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE his color, but you
can't ride color. I think he is a bit short in the
neck, long in the back, and butt high. His
Here's another one for people to have a go with. This is a rising
three year old colt called Odin.
Oh, one thing I really like about this horse is that in the front his
bones from the wither to the chest and from the chest to the elbow are
equal length and should give him good reach.
--
Laree
but a gaited horse isn't going to
have much dressage potential, so I tend to focus on the traits that affect
the careers I'm breeding horses for - trail and pleasure. Her neck is just
fine for a pleasure horse - she can reach the ground to graze, right? :)
I do think a nice length neck does
But, say you have a short back with lax tendons and ligaments. The back
looks fine from a standing-still-conformation-picture, but get on the
horse, and it sags down, even with a light rider.
My sweet Loftur is one of those. He had a lot of back problems from old
injuries when he came
That's the conclusion I've come to - it's on my Xmas list - does anyone
know a good source for a good microscope?
From what I read, I don't think we really need a good one, not medical
quality anyway. A good hobby-type should be fine.
Karen Thomas, NC
Here's another one for people to have a go with. This is a rising three
year old colt called Odin.
His conformation dictates (to me) that he needs to live in an overcast, damp
or cloudy climate, preferably far from the equator. It's sunscreen season
here in NC, and I've fought Gracie so
I HATE to jinx it, but he's still not rubbing or acting itchy here... All
I'm doing is putting on flyspray once or twice a day, keeping his fly mask
on, and Swat on his ventral line. I'm putting some aloe/lanolin natural
blend cream on his old sores and the scabs are coming off. I did wash
I'm curious what makes you say that he'll be happy at trot and tolt. I
don't think I see many horses that do those two gaits well under saddle. I
think some horses can do both, but not many are really good (naturally) at
both.
I think the more balanced the angles are front and rear, the
From what I read, I don't think we really need a good one, not medical
quality anyway. A good hobby-type should be fine.
Karen Thomas, NC
A good hobby one works great. If you can get a movable stage, it will
make viewing much easier. If you want to do an accurate egg count a
McMaster's slide
Or say you have a long back with very tight / stiff tendons and ligaments
and the horse can carry weight, but can't bend
Doppa is very flexible but we spend time every ride bending and
stretching - do you think that makes a difference?
Yes, I think it does make a difference, but there
We have noticed it in our business. We have recieved more post dated checks
this year than in the last 6 years combined. We have also recieved more
bounced checks. Only 3, but in the last 6 years we only had one.
We have also had to change the shoeing schedule for some clients becuase they
2008/6/5 Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I use one of those in my rotation too - usually one of those two products
once a year. It's another reason to stay in communication with your vet.
Because I use the services of the vet and students at the vet college
in the city, I receive a quarterly
2008/6/5 Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Yes, I REALLY want to see pictures of Kria.
Can you stand seeing pics of her pre-farrier visit? I'll pop a halter
on her tonight and try get some of her away from the poop pile, and
perhaps brushed up a bit...
Our farrier has had a serious horse health
Can you stand seeing pics of her pre-farrier visit? I'll pop a halter on
her tonight
and try get some of her away from the poop pile, and perhaps brushed up a
bit...
I really insist that you brush her first. Lack of brushing affects BLUP scores
and if I
see a picture of her dirty,
On Jun 5, 2008, at 12:50 PM, Judy Ryder wrote:
It's not just the length to be considered, but things that we can't
see!
One biggee is the laxity or flexibility or tightness / looseness of
the
tendons and ligaments.
Normally a short back *would* be stronger than a long back.
But, say
2008/6/5 Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I really insist that you brush her first. Lack of brushing affects BLUP
scores and if I
see a picture of her dirty, then...poof...Tifa will be a lesser filly for it.
We wouldn't
want that. ;)
Actually, she's one of those girls that looks neat and
That's a horse that needs some ab toning. The strength of the back is not
only in the
topline, but also in the abdominals . . .just like it is with humans.
Caveletti work
is one way to tone the abdominal muscles on a horse, and also riding on
uneven trails
and doing lots of hill
I'm sure that ab work will help a horse with a back that sags easily,
but I think there's
more to it than that. I don't particularly do a lot of ab work per se
with my horses, but
most don't have saggy backs. Loftur has always been that way since I
got him. Why would
he need ab work
Your guys would be interesting because they aren't pure bred Icelandics and
we could see if we see any
differences.
Actually, Tosca is 3/4 Icelandic and Yrsa is registered and purebred. There
are differences in their conformation, but I haven't a clue as to whether it
is because of their
Here's an interesting article on swayback:
http://www.equisearch.com/horses_care/health/anatomy/swaybacks_081205/
No, Loftur's not swayback. His back looks pretty normal, but it drops with
weight. I assume he has the characteristics that Judy was talking about.
When he's in pain, I can
Actually, Tosca is 3/4 Icelandic and Yrsa is registered and purebred.
There are differences in their conformation, but I haven't a clue as to
whether it is because of their genetics or just because they are
different. They have the same sire. I think Tosca's head is plain and
Yrsa's is
I do think a nice length neck does help with balance and the way the
neck is set into the shoulders is important.
Sure, but again, it depends on what you want. I've talked to Liz about this
and this is what she says, and it's what I've seen as well. Gait originates
in the rear end. In
That's great, Bia - he's a beautiful boy.
Laree in NC
Not so beautiful at the moment...he's thin and looks like he's been picked
on alot but he will be beautiful in a month or so!
Bia
The kid is happy to have a bareback butt.
Here's a video, the second one on this page:
http://listen-to-your-horse.blogspot.com/2008/06/pony-ride.html
Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com
His head looks just like that of a pretty little Welsh pony mare we owned a
few years ago. She stood just 12.2 and won the open hunter class over
fences at a couple of local shows, competing against the big TB's
Nancy
Wow, your trip brings back my life's memories prior to moving west! I
was raised in Va. Beach just a couple hours north of Nags Head and my
best friend lived on the Currituck sound. We used to go sailing in the
sound, and digging for clams and oysters with our bare feet, pop them
open
He really IS a good boy. He reminds me of my puppy. She's struggling with
learning to walk on leash. She wants to just sit, which I usually teach
first. In her case it has backfired on me.
Nancy
His head looks just like that of a pretty little Welsh pony mare we
owned a few years ago. She stood just 12.2 and won the open hunter
class over fences at a couple of local shows, competing against the big
TB's
I thought Welsh pony when I first saw his head. Interestingly, there is a
More perpetuating myths:
http://www.mvtelegraph.com/mountain/05101554MV5_ICELANDIC06-05-08.htm
Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com
http://www.mvtelegraph.com/mountain/05101554MV5_ICELANDIC06-05-08.htm
They breathe differently? Oh my. I wonder how on earth my horses manage to
survive
when it gets to be 100 degrees...?
Where do these people get this stuff?
Karen Thomas, NC
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