On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 03:31:19PM -0800, Lorraine wrote:
> > mad for tuna fish sandwiches
> >
> > --vicka
> >
> No kidding? That is wild. I will have to try that.
honest to goodness :) on whole wheat with potato chips, yet.
--vicka (who quite likes those sammiches herself ;)
> mad for tuna fish sandwiches
>
> --vicka
>
> No kidding? That is wild. I will have to try that.
Lorraine
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On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 06:58:39AM -0800, Lorraine wrote:
> our freezer. But I have heard that they eat Herring.
> Sounds funny. My husband read that somewhere.
> I will try to find some and try it on the ground.
i have not tried herring for stjarni, but he is completely
mad for tuna fish sandw
On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 09:06:27AM -0500, Anneliese Virro wrote:
> or whatever from Iceland if it would help my imported horses with their
> Summer Eczema! I really don't give a rats *&^% about culture. I give my
> horses lots of flax but if anyone out there tells me that cod liver oil is
> better,
On 11/21/07, Lorraine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> You have to remember Janice. The only ice here is in
> our freezer. But I have heard that they eat Herring.
> Sounds funny. My husband read that somewhere.
> I will try to find some and try it on the ground.
>
> Lorraine
>
you could maybe
>
> the way to tell if they are imported is to go out in
> winter and
> instead of feeding them grain or hay or anything,
> just put some dried
> herring out on the ice for them and if they wolf it
> down, they are
You have to remember Janice. The only ice here is in
our freezer. But I have hea
On 11/20/07 9:45 PM, "Janice McDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thats
> why icelandic horses in iceland dont have any skin problems, they eat
> a lot of fish oils in the herring. when they come here they develop
> skin problems because here its just not within our culture to feed
> dried fish
On 11/20/07, Lorraine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I just returned from the KY Icelandic Horse Show. I
> > had a nice conversation
>
> First of all. I love KY. You lucky. That is very
> interesting info. That makes me wonder if Scooter is
> for sure imported.
>
> Lorraine
>
the way to t
> I just returned from the KY Icelandic Horse Show. I
> had a nice conversation
First of all. I love KY. You lucky. That is very
interesting info. That makes me wonder if Scooter is
for sure imported.
Lorraine
My sentiments exactly about running into trees, roads, etc. Gunnar and I
discussed all of these obstacles in the USA that a run away horse could run
into. His point was that in Iceland things are different and after living
here
he now knows what most Americans want from a trained horse.
On 11/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> i'll try not to take it personally, despite my dubeity about your
> ability to statistically handle numbers. > --vicka
>
and conversely I will try not to take that personally, especially
since I am almost an idiot savant--- an idi
>>Gunnar is Icelandic and his wife Stephanie is American. We did
briefly discuss horse bolting and not wanting to stop. He said in
Iceland all they want is for them to go and go really fast. A lot of
large farms with really great
competition riders never teach the horse to stop or stand still to
On 11/19/07, Cherie Mascis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> He also said that in Iceland if a
> horse "runs away" they just kick it to make it go faster because it will
> eventually stop.
>
> That would work better in Iceland where you don't have trees to crash into!
Or roads to cross with people t
He also said that in Iceland if a
horse "runs away" they just kick it to make it go faster because it will
eventually stop.
That would work better in Iceland where you don't have trees to crash into!
Cherie
I just returned from the KY Icelandic Horse Show. I had a nice conversation
with Gunnar of Klakahorse Icelandics. Most of you probably know that Gunnar
is Icelandic and his wife Stephanie is American. We did briefly discuss
horse bolting and not wanting to stop. He said in Iceland all th
On Mon, Nov 19, 2007 at 03:34:52PM -0600, Janice McDonald wrote:
> > stjarni (icelandic-trained by an actual icelander) has run
> > away with me twice.
i think isolating this sentence makes it sound like stjarni was doing
something wrong. i don't think that is correct. i think that when we
were
On 11/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> stjarni (icelandic-trained by an actual icelander) has run
> away with me twice.
none of my horses (redneck doofus trained by redneck doofus me) have
ever bolted, bucked, or purposefully bitten me. Not even Tivar
yesterday, being swa
On Mon, Nov 19, 2007 at 07:54:27AM -0800, Lorraine wrote:
> Judy told me Icelandics were taught to go fast by
> hitting them. Well,that day he was being a butthead.
> He didn't want to go. So I wacked him with the reins
> on the shoulder. That is when he bucked and took off.
> Other times he w
> like a bat our of hell the minute you got on; she
> was also very sensitive to
> having her sides touched. I finally concluded that
> she was trained to do
> that in Iceland and that if she did not go and go
> fast right away, she got
> hit with a whip.
Judy told me Icelandics were taught to g
On 11/17/07 5:56 PM, "Lorraine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Is Scooter an import?
>>
>
> He is supposed to be. I have no papers but he was
> advertised as imported.
>
> Lorraine
So I would guess that he is probably not really bolting but thinks that
speed is what is wanted. I had an i
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the
On 11/18/07, Lorraine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I would not go for an imported icelandic unless I
> > could see it was
> > real nice and calm and I rode it a few times.
> >
>
> I am REALLY mad. LOL. I didn't go looking. It just
> happened. Like my marriage.
>
> Lorraine
>
sometimes it wo
> I would not go for an imported icelandic unless I
> could see it was
> real nice and calm and I rode it a few times.
>
I am REALLY mad. LOL. I didn't go looking. It just
happened. Like my marriage.
Lorraine
On 18/11/2007, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have ridden with maybe 75 paso
> finos and i have never met one that was sweet and laid back.
Our neighbours own paso finos and rode over here one day. The one
mare looked quite nice, but the younger mare just looked like she
wanted to
Gee Janice, tell us what you really think.
I have only had the one walker, a Generator gelding. He's not completely
schitzo, but not too far off the mark. He has improved with lots of
consistant riding, but is still a very odd horse. I love him, by the way,
but have to love the two Icelandic ma
you know, we all have our relatively limited experience with horses
and every time I say it it makes lots of people MAD but I have known
and ridden with maybe fifty arabians and of those only one was real
gentle and quiet and laid back. I have ridden with maybe 75 paso
finos and i have never met o
>
> Is Scooter an import?
>
He is supposed to be. I have no papers but he was
advertised as imported.
Lorraine
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On 11/13/07 8:38 PM, "Lorraine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> about Iceys bolting? Do they bolt more than other
>> breeds?
>
>
> I don't know myself. I have owned nearly 20 horses
> and have never had one bolt like Scooter does. Buck
> and spook, Yes. Dagur doesn't bolt at all. I was
>
Flipi (aka Naggur) the rescue I had. He's enjoying a non-riding retirement
in S. Ca.
Cherie
On Nov 14, 2007 11:52 AM, Laree Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do we have cases of bolting Icies that are
> domestic born and trained?
Orri from Maple Leaf Icelandic Horse Farm, Rexton, NB Canada (but his
trainer was Icelandic).
V
But yesterday. We had the perfect ride. We were both relaxed. It
was awesome. Yeah
Focusing on the positive can never hurt, and is a good step forward. I'm
glad you had a good ride.
Karen
Karen Thomas
Wingate, NC
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On 11/14/07, Lorraine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Why do YOU think he gets pissy?
>
>
>
> Well. I hardly rode him all summer. too hot. I
> could just tell he didn't want to go out. There was a
> person on a bucking horse nearby.
> But yesterday. We had the perfect ride. We were
> both re
On Nov 14, 2007 9:11 AM, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's taken a while, but he has learned that there's a time and a place
> for everything, as my mother used to tell us.
>
> Exactly.
>
> Our Arab seemed "crazy," "flighty" and all sorts of the typical Arab-y
> descriptions when
>>> I think his training was icelandic-style, tho, wasn't it?
I was told that his very first under-saddle training was "traditional", and
that it was a failure. Frankly, I didn't ask for a lot of detail on that
first saddle-training incident - I'd ask for more now. I just remember that
it wasn'
> Why do YOU think he gets pissy?
Well. I hardly rode him all summer. too hot. I
could just tell he didn't want to go out. There was a
person on a bucking horse nearby.
But yesterday. We had the perfect ride. We were
both relaxed. It was awesome. Yeah
Lorraine
__
It's taken a while, but he has learned that there's a time and a place
for everything, as my mother used to tell us.
Exactly.
Our Arab seemed "crazy," "flighty" and all sorts of the typical Arab-y
descriptions when we first got him. He has more energy than many horses -
ok, maybe not so mu
> >>> Do we have cases of bolting Icies that are
> domestic born and trained?
>
>
> Loftur is one... But...Loftur WAS born in Iceland,
> His actual saddle training wasn't begun
> until he came to the USA though.
I think his training was icelandic-style, tho, wasn't
it?
Judy
Maybe Scooter just ran off with me. I did stop him. Either way it is
dangerous for me
I don't see it as being worth quibbling over the term, Lori. I think what's
important is that you figure out how to make you and Scooter more
comfortable, so you can deal with it.
Why do YOU think he g
You know, thinking about it, I have only worked with Icelandics that
were born and originally trained in Iceland - I guess it gives me a scewed
perspective.
Well, don't feel bad - with so few Icelandic's of any "genre" in the USA, I
think we're all sorting through this, trying to separate ca
> rider's head. With a true bolting horse, nobody will
> be able to stop
Maybe Scooter just ran off with me. I did stop him.
Either way it is dangerous for me
Lorraine
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>
> I think it depends what you call a bolt. To me, a
> bolt is the horse
> running blind with its brain switched off, in blind
> panic. Will go
> over a cliff if there's one in the way. In 20 years
Scooter DID run over a pretty steep hill. He was
really pissy that day.
Lorraine
_
The Icelandic
> horses that I know that are noticeably quicker in their tempo are ones who
> have been taught that's their default
You know, thinking about it, I have only worked with Icelandics that
were born and originally trained in Iceland - I guess it gives me a
scewed perspective. Do w
I think many Icies have an inherent desire to go quickly wherever they
go. This is masked by the fact that they are so calm and peaceful when
working with them from the ground.
I really don't believe that is true, Laree. I have no doubt that some
horses are innately more energetic than oth
...a peppy horse can be trained to rate his speed" Absolutely! The highly
energetic Hunter has learned to know when he's baby sitting. In one week,
we went out once with a group of endurance riders and he was pretty darned
silly when we first met up with them. Then we went out with a woman we
I think little Yrsa will be the more enthusiastic type of horse that I
enjoy ridig.
That's a good word, Nancy - enthusiastic. I haven't ridden Tivar on the
trails like Janice has, but when he was here, and we started working past
his issues, it became apparent to me that, while on some leve
We don't sell horses anymore - it seems so hard on them to change settings -
but what a shame that we couldn't take all the Icelandics out there, shake
them in some sort of a giant bag and re-distribute them to owners who would
like them just as they came out of the box. I'm 65 and I like a really
> I completely agree. Most Icelandics have WAAA too little training
> in the basics that most horse people take for granted - accepting the
> bit, basic lateral work, hacking alone, getting away from the herd,
> standing still for mounting etc.
I think all the things Nancy, Karen and Mic have
>>> I suspect a lot of bolting issues come from the fact that Icelandics are
judged on their speed. Most of the horse shows that I have been too I hear
way too many comments that "the tolt is not fast enough, the canter is not
fast enough, the pace and trot are not fast enough'". When we rode in
also i think there is flight and fight. some take off and some stand
and defend. I think buckers and rearers are the ones who stand and
defend. They want you off them so they can take care of the danger.
just my theory :)
and of course the pain thing. thats a given.
Janice
--
yipie tie yie yo
I wonder about conformation too. For instance. My Fox, he is so huge
when he spooks he cant really spin. But he can rear. My stonewall can
whirl front to back in a split second. He has never reared. My
Jaspar when young would jump sideways right out from under you. But I
have been on him on r
I suspect a lot of bolting issues come from the fact that Icelandics are
judged on their speed. Most of the horse shows that I have been too I hear
way
too many comments that "the tolt is not fast enough, the canter is not fast
enough, the pace and trot are not fast enough'". When we rode
Hmmm, I think his 5'1 girl instructor, a former dressage champion, would
laugh to hear herself described as a "macho cowboy type in leadership role"!
LOL
Emily's first instructor was probably 5'3", about 28-30 years old at the
time, and female. I'd definitely consider her a "macho-type." I
>Maybe there's another clue - "you would expect to be cantering after xx
>lessons" - does it matter what number you fill in for the xx? Why do
>people expect to reach certain milestones in a certain period...? Who sets
>the expectations? Is it ok, just because it's the normal expectations?
>
On Nov 14, 2007 8:09 AM, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> But, what about the typical Icelandic bolting scenario we hear about so
> often, where a relatively novice horseperson buys the horse after trying him
> out and then he gets to his new home and bolts with his rider.
That's my sto
It's funny, it seems that people's perception of riding etc is very
different in the USA to in Europe. Over here, you would expect to be
cantering after about 10 lessons, and galloping out on the trail after, say,
20 lessons or so. A lot of people gallop regularly.
Maybe there's another clue
>But, what about the typical Icelandic bolting scenario we hear about so
>often, where a relatively novice horseperson buys the horse after trying him
>out and then he gets to his new home and bolts with his rider. Why do we
>hear about this scenario so much more often with Icelandic's than with
With a horse which is "just" running away, proper training (of the
horse or the rider, whichever is necessary), or resolving other issues such
as pain, nappiness, over-enthusiasm, running home, catching up with other
horses or whatever is the cause, will sort the problem out.
But, what about
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 05:46:11 -0500, you wrote:
>Does it really matter if we quibble over "running away" with versus
>"bolting?" If the rider can't stop the horse when they need to stop the
>horse, does it matter? Why don't we hear of so many other-breed horses
>"merely" running away with their
I think it depends what you call a bolt. To me, a bolt is the horse
running blind with its brain switched off, in blind panic. Will go over a
cliff if there's one in the way. In 20 years I've met hardly any Icelandics
who ever do that. However, Icelandics who run away with their
riders..
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:36:03 -0800, you wrote:
>why do I read so often
>about Iceys bolting? Do they bolt more than other breeds?
I think it depends what you call a bolt. To me, a bolt is the horse
running blind with its brain switched off, in blind panic. Will go
over a cliff if there's one in
You all know we have only had Icelandics since last January so forgive
me please if this has been cussed and discussed, but why do I read so often
about Iceys bolting? Do they bolt more than other breeds? Are they more
difficult to get good saddle fit on? Because of their generaly phlegmati
> about Iceys bolting? Do they bolt more than other
> breeds?
I don't know myself. I have owned nearly 20 horses
and have never had one bolt like Scooter does. Buck
and spook, Yes. Dagur doesn't bolt at all. I was
wondering the same thing too about Icelandics. I have
only had Scooter for
You all know we have only had Icelandics since last January so forgive me
please if this has been cussed and discussed, but why do I read so often
about Iceys bolting? Do they bolt more than other breeds? Are they more
difficult to get good saddle fit on? Because of their generaly phlegmatic
nat
On 4/25/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> what about bolting??
Gat has never bolted with either Alex or me--even when she gets in a
really fast canter or pace.
Orri has bolted during indoor arena work--he did it 3 or 4 times. The
first time could be he was unsure of the tractor an
what about bolting?? How do you cure the bolt. My horses have only
bolted in terror from a deer leaping etc or when other horses bolt
they go also, called a "flight" by some people, a herd thing really.
Is it different than a "runaway"? I have experienced a runaway twice
as a child/young person.
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