Geoff! I love it that you said this. I made the same suggestion recently
I actually started that way, but changed my method at some point.
Janis
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Ms. Mills clearly indicates that the Chicago Manual of Style is the basis of
most systems of genealogy source citation (including hers); the elements
that cause it to work well for historians are the same elements that make it
work well for genealogy, although there are adaptations (p. 42, _EE_).
I have used this web archive site to return to currently non-existent
websites that had pedigrees, etc. on them. I had the exact website and
at least a year in my notes. That's another reason to include a date
stamp or date accessed.
OT: I also use the web archive frequently at work. I'm a
Hi Jan,
Good to hear you've made progress.
I'd use My Computer with the Folders Pane and go to these Temporary
Directories and just see what is in them - then delete them all. If
you discover something in them that you'd like to keep, put it
somewhere more sensible.
When you make a backup,
I prefer recording where I accessed records of any type in addition to
standard bibliographic information. That way, if I have a subsequent
need to return to that record or research the source again, I don't have
to figure out where it was.
Dawn
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Brian,
I can (almost)
You realize he may not have received your "closed subject" notice
(very welcome, BTW) until after he had posted? I, for example, did
not see YOUR notice until AFTER I had seen his last post. I saw him
before I saw you. I would bet the same thing happened to him. Out
of sequence delivery
I think it would work just fine for those events/facts for which you'll have
only one entry. However, Geoff's descendant listing for obituaries is not a
workable approach for the census because only the first census entry comes
up no matter how many columns you allocate on the descendant view. S
As one who has typed more than my share of Masters' theses and graduate
papers, I would like to point out that a lot of Elizabeth Mills'
citations come straight out of instructions for scholarly papers --
e.g., the MLA style sheet. It is good stuff, but I am not sure it needs
to be adhered to
No, I didn't and it's all been fixed now.
JL
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Why?
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Brian,
I can (almost) agree with you about census citations. They are so widely
available, and pretty much anyone who has done even minimal research is
aware that they can check another copy of the same census elsewhere.
However, census is not all we have to cite.
For instance, if you find a dea
Elizabeth,
I wasn't at all offended by the remark, and took it in the friendly and
somewhat humorous tone in which I thought you intended it. (And, gee, I wish
I were one of the ones that could be called that! Unfortunately, I'm still
on the steep side of the hill).
As to the length of source
Ron,
I think you know this, but there is probably someone who does not - Legacy
gets new users every day...
Without seeing the specific images in question, there's no way to easily
determine why one person says jpegs aren't readable and another person
finds them very usable.
The quality (and thu
You could put in a request or you could use the File ID box for
something shorter like numbers instead of phrases.
JL
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Jenny M Benson wrote:
The method I use for filing and referencing my Source material is
Valerie, I do hope the problem is solved!
By "mess about genders" do you mean, a husband entered as female, and
his wife as male?
This is easily fixed. While in Family View, click "Edit", then "Swap
Husband and Wife".
--
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Elizabeth,
I know what you mean. I have a granduncle who lived in Colorado all his
life but he disappeared in 1910. I've had other people look for him to
no avail. In fact his brother is missing in a couple of years worth of
census'. Oh well! One day maybe I'll come across them when I really no
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Elizabeth,
I've been thinking about this. It'd work if you named the censuses like:
1910 census, 1900 census, etc.
Thanks,
Geoff Rasmussen
Millennia Corporation
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It works, I just added my Cemetery and Census Facts/Events and it works
great. I can add Obits after I start shifting them over to the Facts/Events
area. I have a little mess to clean up I have some in Notes, Burial Notes
and in Master Sources.
This is a great visual check on what you have for a de
The method I use for filing and referencing my Source material is
probably unique to me and because I am a "lumper" (few Master Sources,
many Source Details) each Source documents is referenced in Source
Detail File ID. No problems there.
For some of my Sources I have an electronic file as we
Geoff Rasmussen wrote:
Bob,
There's actually a tool called The Wayback Machine that will display the
content of websites as of a certain date. See our Legacy News article about
it at
http://legacynews.typepad.com/legacy_news/2006/08/locating_lost_w.html.
While this won't work for databases, it w
Kris,
The short answers are "no" and "don't know but unlikely". I don't really
understand why you can't read them easily though. I use jpgs for census records
and with the Zoom I can read them fine.
Ron Ferguson
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On 7 Apr 2008 Elizabeth Richardson wrote:
> Is there a way to search for individuals for which I *do not* have a
> 1900 census event (or 1910, etc.), but according to all other
> information were alive, so that a further search is worthwhile?
That depends on how you have your sourcing. If, lik
I cannot agree with this - but I can agree to disagree. :-)
Janis
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For some reason my response to Elizabeth did not come through the list
so I'll try again. And hopefully, with better articulation.
Highlight the 1900 census. Then click Show List. Then tag that list.
Then do a search for untagged on that tag number and tag that list with
a different tag nu
On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:54:51 -0500, ronald ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Kris,
The short answers are "no" and "don't know but unlikely". I don't really
understand why you can't read them easily though. I use jpgs for census
records and with the Zoom I can read them fine.
Ron Fer
Ron and Cathy,
Thank you again for your help. I have now moved my zip folder to the Legacy
data folder. Now when I exit and I want to back up, I get the the Save in:
to read Data, and the big box now has a picture of a zipped file and it has
Stitz family.zip in the big box. I think this is
I'm not completely sold on the idea that given an identical source document
such as a specific census page, that one needs to specify just where they
happened to look at the digital image. That census page is the same no
matter where you look at it or who supplied you the copy or image of it. The
f
Our family has tracked down and tested the DNA of at least one male descendant
from each of the seven sons of our earliest known ancestor on the family
surname. All of the DNA results match. I am not sure where the 20% error came
from but it certainly does not apply to the research we have don
I think part of the problem could be solved if there was a hand-tool to
drag the image around on the Legacy viewing screen rather than the
horizontal and vertical scrolls that tend to be more tedious than necessary.
JL
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Elizabeth,
My last paragraph was probably not clear uneough. You need an untagged
individual who was born before 1910 but died after 1910 (or living).
Ron Ferguson
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Search individuals born before 1900 and died after 1900 and tag
1900 Census, show list and tag, then do a not-tagged on that tag number,
combine with tag number above.
Or something similar for all census records at once, depending if you
want one year or all census years at the same time. i.e.
This may or may not help, but Geoff's tip for working with obituaries
that was just posted, may possibly be adapted for your census
purposes.
Just a thought,
Dede Holden
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Elizabeth Richardson
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> Ok, enough of sources. But while I slog my w
Mary Beth,
You're right that an obituary is not an event. A while back we changed the
name of the Events section to Facts/Events. If you add these types of facts
in this section, then it becomes immediately obvious if you have an
obituary, for instance. Same thing with census records. Some hesitat
Bob,
There's actually a tool called The Wayback Machine that will display the
content of websites as of a certain date. See our Legacy News article about
it at
http://legacynews.typepad.com/legacy_news/2006/08/locating_lost_w.html.
While this won't work for databases, it will work for the static w
Why?
GPB
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I do agree with Elizabeth that a more streamlined form for sourcing is
appropriate in many situations. I disagree, however, that those who have
chosen to conform to what has become the de facto standard (Mills) are
"snooty." Most are just working hard toward publishing in o
Elizabeth,
For a 1910 census, assuming that you have a Census Event with the Name=Census
and the Date=1910 then using Search>Find>Detailed Search and in the first row
select, Individual, Event Name Equal To Census then AND, and in the second row:
Indivual, Event Date Equal To 1910 will give yo
Sorry, the second part of my answer won't work as obviously you won't
find people born before 1790 AND died after 1930, but it does work one
census year at a time.
JL
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JLB wrote:
Search individuals born bef
Janis,
This can only be a suggestion to you as I did not check word for word your
preferred format for census sources. You may have aready looked at at the
Sample file & found it unacceptable, but your preferred format looked very
similar to Geoff's Master Source for census.
Geoff listed his mas
Janis Gilmore wrote:
The “accessed” date can be important only because the website that you
viewed can change.
In the interest of precision, dating your access of the database can
help a future researcher to understand that what you saw may not be
what he/she is looking at.
I've got to di
That was very interesting. Since an obituary is a source and not an event, I
had never thought of adding it to the individual events. I'm beginning to
think of other items that might be useful there also. . .
Mary Beth Figgins
Geoff Rasmussen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Today's Legacy News ar
When I attach a PDF to a source, I have to put it in as a sound or video
file, and show all "All files", but after I do that and get the document
attached, when I click on it, it will open Adobe Reader and I can read the
entire document with just vertical scrolling -- which is one of the
re
Ok, enough of sources. But while I slog my way through cleaning up all those
poorly imported sources, particularly my huge census project, I have seen
where I have some census "holes". Lots of them, as a matter of fact. I might
have located the 1900, 1920 and 1930 census for a family, but not th
Today's Legacy News article is entitled "Legacy Tip: Working with
Obituaries".
It can be read:
1) Via the Legacy News section of the Legacy Home tab inside Legacy.
2) Via your RSS feed software.
3) Directly at
http://legacynews.typepad.com/legacy_news/2008/04/legacy-tip-work.html.
Comments/sugge
John and Randolph,
But the purpose of a citation is to clearly state what your source was. If
your source for the digital image was Ancestry.com, then your source should
state that. If you didnt look at the original microfilm publication at
NARA, your source shouldnt imply that you did.
There
I should clarify for anyone following this thread, that I believe your
reference (see below) to my citation being "convoluted" was referring to the
steps that I have to use with Legacy software to create it, not the citation
itself.
Hovering in the background of this sourcing discussion is the big
The "accessed" date can be important only because the website that you
viewed can change. In the case of a digital image, perhaps it has been
removed from the website since you accessed it. Or in the case of a
database, perhaps it has been updated or annotated or stripped of
annotations - the permu
I have had another go and boy was there a mess about genders which I could
not change so I had to delete them all and re-enter. I hope the problem is
now solved.
Thanks again for your support.
Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney.
Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Belfast, Dublin,
Personally, I would like to see both a date stamp to each new source
added and a user stamp. That would help me when I come back to a family
and reevaluate information. Multiple people in my household are working
on the same database, so knowing who added information would be
helpful. I find
1860 US Census would seem a reasonable Master source. If you are using this
county a lot, it might be worth adding this to the master. The Ancestry bit
is not even a primary source and is unlikely to exist in 50 years in the
same format. The rest is source detail which applies to that specific fami
This seems like an excellent way to have all show up. Two quick questions:
1. Is it a big deal that the date accessed doesn't show up?
2. In the "Source List Name" field isn't 1860 census. U.S. enough?
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:35 AM, Janis Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> That's a deceptiv
Valerie Garton wrote
I have a problem when I try to import one of my Legacy files in to
another one of my Legacy files and I get an error message 3022.
I have spent over 1 1/2 hours trying to work out what to do from the
support lists and can not work out what to do and how to do it.
Have yo
Thanks for your reply Mary.
I tried check n repair on the first file and could not get anywhere as I get
the Error message 3022.
I have been back to the Home page - On-line trouble shooting - Solutions by
error number - 3022 and did a new download but the problem still exists.
Now what should I
Elizabeth,
I laughed out loud at your comment on the snooty genealogist of the future.
I too like to make my work as accurate as possible, and to cite my sources
so that someone else will be able to duplicate my work, but I don't care to
make it so complicated that people's eyes will glaze ove
JLB wrote
I think in the case of a letter as you mention, if that was a Master
Source I would quote the entire thing in Master Source Text, then I
would take a relevant part of it for the Source Detail Text.
You are, of course, free to do whatever you choose, but I think it worth
mentioning t
Valerie
Have you made sure both files are good? Run Check'n'Repair twice on
each file, then try again.
Also, try the the import in the reverse direction. Of course, backup,
backup, backup :-)
There is a "step-by-step guide" to "Error 3022" - click the "Legacy
Home" Tab, then select "On-Line Troubl
Randy,
Firstly, my apologies to others on the list but I have no other way of doing
this.
I have tried to reply to your email but it bounced, perhaps you could contact
me again from a different address.
Ron Ferguson
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Jan,
To be clear, I have no disagreement with Cathy's point about about not keeping
the back-up in the same folder as the .fdb data files. As it happens I do, but
in a different drive to C in which I only have programs. Perhaps more
importantly, I have three reasonably uptodate copies elsewher
Kevin,
Your email illustrates very precisely exactly why I do not, and will not, be
using the Mill's suggestions.
What she states is her opinion, admittedly with a large following, but it is
not a standard. As someone educated into the sciences I am well aware of the
criteria that is required
Jenny M Benson wrote:
>
> But how the elements "line up" in reports has nothing to do with what we
> enter, it has only to do how with how the programmers have arranged the
> output for the various "boxes" we fill in.
>
Jenny,
I understand when you say that the programmers can arrange the "boxes"
Sorry if wordwrap screws up the lines of my examples. Maybe I should
have added a space before and after the underscores like this.
Source List Entry:
Iowa. Marion County. __ 1850 U.S. census, __ population schedule. __
Digital images. __ Ancestry.com.[in italics] __
http://www.ancestry.com : __
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