[LUTE] New online continuo class

2020-07-15 Thread Lucas Harris
Hello, dear lutenist friends! I hope all of you are healthy and safe and making the best of your lockdown time. I wanted to spread the word about a new online continuo class that Prof. Joseph Gascho and I are offering. I’d be grateful if you’d spend a moment thinking

[LUTE] Re: Realizing a passible continuo line...

2020-02-05 Thread Mark Probert
Many thanks to everyone for their advice and pointers to some excellent resources! Plenty of study coming up... :-) Regards .. mark. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Realizing a passible continuo line...

2020-02-05 Thread Tristan von Neumann
Don't go crazy over this. Arpeggio: I think it was Telemann who said: "Playing continuo is not chopping cucumbers." He meant the harpsichord, but still a valid point. Play clear bass notes and make nice clouds above to fill rhythmic voids of the singer. If the voice has rhy

[LUTE] Re: Realizing a passible continuo line...

2020-02-05 Thread Christopher Wilke
Hi Mark, Everyone has given solid advice. However, the things suggested are for the long term project of learning historically-informed continuo practice. That's great, but it's frankly not very helpful starting in a pinch. The olden ones thought about harmony very differ

[LUTE] Re: Realizing a passible continuo line...

2020-02-05 Thread Martyn Hodgson
st don't > take so much care and do your best for now. As I told, I see no big > problem with d-minor tuning. > In Monteverdi's times continuo is more simple in terms of harmony, my > teachers (like Andrew Lawrence King) told me to avoid complicated >

[LUTE] Re: Realizing a passible continuo line...

2020-02-05 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
care and do your best for now. As I told, I see no big > problem with d-minor tuning. > In Monteverdi's times continuo is more simple in terms of harmony, my > teachers (like Andrew Lawrence King) told me to avoid complicated > figuring most of the time. > 53 or 6 chords,

[LUTE] Re: Realizing a passible continuo line...

2020-02-05 Thread Konstantin Shchenikov
est for now. As I told, I see no big problem with d-minor tuning. In Monteverdi's times continuo is more simple in terms of harmony, my teachers (like Andrew Lawrence King) told me to avoid complicated figuring most of the time. 53 or 6 chords, 7/6 and 4/3 suspensions are good so

[LUTE] Re: Realizing a passible continuo line...

2020-02-05 Thread Martyn Hodgson
atment and several examples can also be found in Agazzari's "Del suonare sopra'l basso" and Bianciardi mentioned above. Turning to the instrument, you can use your high range, which absents on theorbo. But archlute has high range as well, and it's the other con

[LUTE] Re: Realizing a passible continuo line...

2020-02-05 Thread Konstantin Shchenikov
Some tips about little passages, passing notes and rhythmical treatment and several examples can also be found in Agazzari's "Del suonare sopra'l basso" and Bianciardi mentioned above. Turning to the instrument, you can use your high range, which absents on theorbo. B

[LUTE] Re: Realizing a passible continuo line...

2020-02-05 Thread Martyn Hodgson
1] by way of > specific example, and I want to create a passable continuo line to > support the singers (potentially with me singing one of lines). > > I come armed with my lute, an a-historic Dm 13c lute, a certain amount > of theory, but no real clue apart from "pla

[LUTE] Re: Realizing a passible continuo line...

2020-02-04 Thread David van Ooijen
Don't arpeggiate. [1]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/continuo-playing-on-baroque-lut e-lesson-four-first-practical-step/ On Wed, 5 Feb 2020 at 03:36, Mark Probert <[2]probe...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, all. A bit of an open-ended question here. Suppose I gi

[LUTE] Re: Realizing a passible continuo line...

2020-02-04 Thread howard posner
> On Feb 4, 2020, at 6:31 PM, Mark Probert wrote: > > Suppose I given a piece of early > Baroque music, take Monteverdi's duet "Ardo e scoprir"[1] by way of > specific example, and I want to create a passable continuo line to > support the singers (potenti

[LUTE] Realizing a passible continuo line...

2020-02-04 Thread Mark Probert
Hi, all. A bit of an open-ended question here. Suppose I given a piece of early Baroque music, take Monteverdi's duet "Ardo e scoprir"[1] by way of specific example, and I want to create a passable continuo line to support the singers (potentially with me singing one of l

[LUTE] Re: Continuo (defined)

2019-09-12 Thread Tristan von Neumann
Let's say: Bass line and chords played by guitars or keyboards. I hate to see Stage Pianos excluded from the continuo gig :) On 12.09.19 23:28, Howard Posner wrote: The rhythm guitar and bass Sent from my iPhone On Sep 12, 2019, at 14:02, Leonard Williams wrote: If one is tryi

[LUTE] Re: Continuo (defined)

2019-09-12 Thread Howard Posner
The rhythm guitar and bass Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 12, 2019, at 14:02, Leonard Williams > wrote: > > If one is trying to explain the concept of continuo on theorbo to a > non-early music person, would it be safe to compare it to the rhythm > guitarist in a modern

[LUTE] Continuo (defined)

2019-09-12 Thread Leonard Williams
If one is trying to explain the concept of continuo on theorbo to a non-early music person, would it be safe to compare it to the rhythm guitarist in a modern band? Leonard Williams -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin

[LUTE] Re: Continuo in D (renaissance tuning)?

2019-09-12 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Jorg, I play continuo on theorbo and other plucked instruments and also employ the mandora/gallichon in nominal D tuning with a string length of 75cm (and also the large calchedon in nominal A tuning with sl 98cm) where the instrument is appropriate - ie mostly second to last

[LUTE] Re: Continuo in D (renaissance tuning)?

2019-09-12 Thread David van Ooijen
I do on occasion. I have a huge 10-course in D 78cm or something similar). Sometimes I chicken out and play transposed parts. If the D-lute stint is a bit longer I bite the bullet and play at pitch. Not so difficult (but I play easy continuo on it: early Italian music), no

[LUTE] Continuo in D (renaissance tuning)?

2019-09-12 Thread Jörg Hilbert
Dear all, I have got a big Mandora in D (renaissance tuning, NOT d-minor, NOT theorobo). I may try to play some continuo with it as it’s quite sonorous. Has anybody experiences with this? Thanks Jörg To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute

[LUTE] Early Chitarrone Continuo

2017-11-22 Thread Edward Chrysogonus Yong
Hi everyone, A while ago I was corresponding with a lutenist who said, regarding the really large theorbos in Monteverdi: ‘I believe the really big ones were intended for playing bass lines - probably mostly single line, but ornamented in a way that was normal then but is considered a bit weir

[LUTE] Intensive courses about basso continuo

2017-04-26 Thread David Morales
Hi everyone, And here you have the last one :) We have interviewed Pablo Zapico about the intensive classes that he is teaching mainly here in Spain about basso continuo. Hopefully he will publish a book about the topic quite soon. [1]http://cuerdaspulsadas.es/blog/cursos

[LUTE] Re: Continuo: Score vs Part; also Page-Turners

2017-03-16 Thread Max Langer
full score. Too many page turns. > > A related question: what did continuo players use back in the day, i.e., when > did we start publishing part music as a score? That's a common practice in > modern editions, but most of the 16th and early 17th century music that I've &

[LUTE] Re: Continuo: Score vs Part; also Page-Turners

2017-03-15 Thread guy_and_liz Smith
A melody line is handy, especially for recitative but I'd rather not deal with a full score. Too many page turns. A related question: what did continuo players use back in the day, i.e., when did we start publishing part music as a score? That's a common practice in modern editions

[LUTE] Re: Continuo: Score vs Part; also Page-Turners

2017-03-15 Thread David van Ooijen
wrote: It's always nice to have the score, or the melodic line, in the continuo part. I've done a lot of cutting and pasting to avoid inconvenient page turns. > On Mar 15, 2017, at 6:25 AM, Edward Chrysogonus Yong <[2]edward.y...@gmail.com> wrote: &g

[LUTE] Re: Continuo: Score vs Part; also Page-Turners

2017-03-15 Thread howard posner
It’s always nice to have the score, or the melodic line, in the continuo part. I’ve done a lot of cutting and pasting to avoid inconvenient page turns. > On Mar 15, 2017, at 6:25 AM, Edward Chrysogonus Yong > wrote: > > Dear Lutenetters who play basso continuo, > Is the

[LUTE] Re: Continuo: Score vs Part; also Page-Turners

2017-03-15 Thread Miles Dempster
ong > wrote: > > Dear Lutenetters who play basso continuo, > Is there a preference either way for playing from bass part or full > score, assuming both have the same figures? > I find that playing from a score means I can get my bearings better but > have to flip

[LUTE] Continuo: Score vs Part; also Page-Turners

2017-03-15 Thread Edward Chrysogonus Yong
Dear Lutenetters who play basso continuo, Is there a preference either way for playing from bass part or full score, assuming both have the same figures? I find that playing from a score means I can get my bearings better but have to flip pages more, no easy task when both hands are

[LUTE] Re: looking for Baroque music for treble recorder with continuo for 8-course Renaissance lute

2016-01-22 Thread Alain
Indeed, unless you set your lutes on fire, the Baroque flamboyant has little to do with the history of music. I have been personally guilty of over simplification, mostly because I had to organize my computer folders according to some kind of scheme. I won't go into the kind of geographical dist

[LUTE] Re: looking for Baroque music for treble recorder with continuo for 8-course Renaissance lute

2016-01-21 Thread howard posner
> On Jan 21, 2016, at 9:16 PM, howard posner wrote: > > "Baroque" is a n art historians’ term I decided to abort that message, but hit send instead of delete. I was going to [not] point out that "baroque music” means no more than “music written during the period that art historians, for rea

[LUTE] Re: looking for Baroque music for treble recorder with continuo for 8-course Renaissance lute

2016-01-21 Thread howard posner
> On Jan 21, 2016, at 2:32 PM, jsl...@verizon.net wrote: > > Finally, the very term "baroque" was coined to describe extravagant or > even bizarre ornamentation. The divisions of Bassano and his > contemporaries can be viewed as examples of this style. "Baroque" is a n art historians’ term

[LUTE] Re: looking for Baroque music for treble recorder with continuo for 8-course Renaissance lute

2016-01-21 Thread WALSH STUART
eble recorder (in F). In my experience, recorder players (or non-plucked instrument players generally) playing just for fun, like to sight read a lot of material. I'm looking for simple continuo lute parts. But I do recognise the huge amount of work you have put into your arrang

[LUTE] Re: looking for Baroque music for treble recorder with continuo for 8-course Renaissance lute

2016-01-21 Thread Roland Hayes
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 10:07 AM To: s.wa...@ntlworld.com; Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: looking for Baroque music for treble recorder with continuo for 8-course Renaissance lute Stuart and All, I'd try to find some of the London Pro Musica division viol series on

[LUTE] Re: looking for Baroque music for treble recorder with continuo for 8-course Renaissance lute

2016-01-21 Thread jslute
Stuart and All, I'd try to find some of the London Pro Musica division viol series on popular songs like "Susanne Un Jour" and "Frais et Gailliard" with divisions by Bassano and others. The divisions for recorder or viol are challenging, but the c

[LUTE] looking for Baroque music for treble recorder with continuo for 8-course Renaissance lute

2016-01-21 Thread WALSH STUART
I know it's much the best thing to learn continuo but I wonder if anyone can recommend some ready-to-play continuo parts to go with music for treble recorder. It seems the recorder player is very competent. I've got an 8-course Ren lute. (I have Peter Holman's two books 'T

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-03-02 Thread David van Ooijen
amme, flats as well as sharps in the continuo, and we each have to play two solo pieces for which we have to be happily in tune with ourselves as well). I asked for 1/6 comma meantone (aka Silbermann) and we agreed we'd give that a try today. It was a lot better. Pitch is never a proble

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-03-01 Thread Martyn Hodgson
his spurious conjectures, especially on birth place, are somehow based on historical sources.   MH   >> From: howard posner >> To: Lutelist >> Sent: Friday, 28 February 2014, 23:32 >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise &

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-28 Thread howard posner
On Feb 28, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Monica Hall wrote: > I think you are being disingenious. What Satoh actually says is > "This is all my imagination and conjecture, based on the few documents > concerning De Visee's life". > > How is the reader supposed to know what is based on these few documen

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-28 Thread Monica Hall
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 8:35 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise His own words leave no doubt and are far from misleading: "This is all my imagination and conjecture [...] it was this imagination that drove me to perform the pieces ..." In other

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-28 Thread David van Ooijen
His own words leave no doubt and are far from misleading: "This is all my imagination and conjecture [...] it was this imagination that drove me to perform the pieces ..." In other words, the story in the CD-booklet is about motivation, not about historical facts." 'nough said

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-28 Thread Monica Hall
egarded as deliberately misleading. Monica - Original Message - From: "David van Ooijen" Cc: "Lute List" Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 4:03 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise Monica wrote: >> In the liner notes to his recent

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-28 Thread David van Ooijen
Monica wrote: >> In the liner notes to his recent CD Toyohiko Satoh claimed that De Visee was Portuguese and came from a small town called Viseu near Coimbra. This is pure fiction - there is no evidence at all that this was so. << Utterly, completely and absolutely OT. But

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-27 Thread Shaun Ng
Thanks for the clarification. Also thanks to Monica for mentioning the doubtful Portuguese connection. On 28 Feb 2014, at 6:49 am, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: > True we do not know exactly where de Visée was from, but he was probably born > in the Paris area and was active at court as early as

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-27 Thread Monica Hall
m the Low Countries. At the present time I don't think it is known where De Visee was born - in France perhaps Monica - Original Message - From: "Shaun Ng" To: "howard posner" Cc: "Lute List" Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 7:05 PM S

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-27 Thread Monica Hall
translated things. As ever Monica - Original Message - From: "Jean-Marie Poirier" To: "Monica Hall" Cc: "'Lute List'" Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 5:58 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise Exactly Monica, but I tri

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-27 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
True we do not know exactly where de Visée was from, but he was probably born in the Paris area and was active at court as early as 1680. In 1692 du Pradel (aka de Blégny), in his list of masters for the guitar, mentions "de Vizé (a very common spelling of his name at the time), à Luxembourg", w

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-27 Thread Shaun Ng
I am going off topic here, but do we really know where Robert de Visée is from? I recall finding an entry in a modern edition of Nicolas Blégny's Le livre commode (1692) about a certain Visée (spelt differently). He is said to be from one of the low countries, but I cannot remember which one. Of

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-27 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
rules; >>the instrument requires it and above all it is necessary to satisfy the >>ear. >> >>Monica >> >>- Original Message - >>From: "Jean-Marie Poirier" >>To: "Shaun Ng" ; "Monica Hall" >>Cc: "

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-27 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
riginal Message - >From: "Jean-Marie Poirier" >To: "Shaun Ng" ; "Monica Hall" >Cc: "'Lute List'" >Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:41 PM >Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise > > >> "E

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-27 Thread Monica Hall
the ear. Monica - Original Message - From: "Jean-Marie Poirier" To: "Shaun Ng" ; "Monica Hall" Cc: "'Lute List'" Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise "Et je pr

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-27 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Good point Howard ! :-) Another good reason to forget Google Translate ;-) -- > >On Feb 27, 2014, at 8:41 AM, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: > >> Robert de Visée was obviously one of the best on the guitar, theorbo and >> lute of his time, but his French grammar was not really spotless

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-27 Thread howard posner
On Feb 27, 2014, at 8:41 AM, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: > Robert de Visée was obviously one of the best on the guitar, theorbo and lute > of his time, but his French grammar was not really spotless... ;-) He was a Spaniard, and he used Google Translate. -- To get on or off this list see list i

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-27 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
on the theorbo, guitar and lute, >does not suggest any disdain towards the guitar. > >My feeling is that if we are to truly understand continuo from historical >writings, it is important to consider writings for both instruments; after >all, there is so much evidence that hist

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-27 Thread Monica Hall
ll" Cc: "Lutelist" Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:18 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise Monica, I am not knocking the guitar. Campion's 'lack of embarrassment' shows that it was perfectly fine to be known as both theorbo a

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-27 Thread Shaun Ng
the guitar. My feeling is that if we are to truly understand continuo from historical writings, it is important to consider writings for both instruments; after all, there is so much evidence that historical musicians (at least the professionals) were multi instrumentalists. Did this also mea

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-27 Thread Mayes, Joseph
gt; >Please don't knock the guitar!!! > > > >Monica > >- Original Message - > >From: [1]Shaun Ng > >To: [2]Monica Hall > >Cc: [3]R. Mattes ; [4]Lutelist > > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:28 AM >

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-27 Thread Monica Hall
saying which springs to mind (last in this sense being a shoemaker's model according to my dictionary). Monica - Original Message - From: "Geoff Gaherty" To: "Lutelist" Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 1:28 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo t

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-27 Thread David van Ooijen
When I play (arch)lute or theorbo with harpsichord I'd like to think we help eachother: the lute will make the sound of the harpsichord more mellow whilst the harpsichord will give volume to the sound of the lute. But one has to take care not to constantly double eachother. With orga

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-27 Thread Geoff Gaherty
On 27/02/14 9:07 AM, Eric Hansen wrote: I saw that orchestra in Connecticut last Sunday. The lutenist strummed quite bit, on a swan - neck Baroque lute. It looked to have a pick guard installed. He was a fine player. I was interested to see how both lute and harpsichord played most of the time

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-27 Thread Eric Hansen
I saw that orchestra in Connecticut last Sunday. The lutenist strummed quite bit, on a swan - neck Baroque lute. It looked to have a pick guard installed. He was a fine player. Eric On Feb 27, 2014 8:31 AM, "Geoff Gaherty" <[1]ge...@gaherty.ca> wrote: On 27/02/14 3:43 AM, Will

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-27 Thread Monica Hall
E] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise Campion actually says that he reccommends his pupils to take a few lessons on the guitar before starting with the lute. What I have found interesting is how Campion--who doesn't seem to be embarrassed to call himself both a theorbo and guita

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-27 Thread Geoff Gaherty
On 27/02/14 3:43 AM, William Samson wrote: Not that I know anything about it, but the name 'chittarone' seems to give the game away. The very idea has me salivating! Mighty rasgueados on the theorbo, anyone? I attended a concert by the Venice Baroque Orchestra in Santa Barbara r

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-27 Thread Monica Hall
No stranger than the things that young people today stick through their ears, noses, belly buttons and other body parts! Geoff Very true! Monica To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-27 Thread Geoff Gaherty
On 26/02/14 2:44 PM, Monica Hall wrote: It seems a strange thing to do to stick bits of black taffeta or velvet or whatever on ones face - but I think they all had very bad skin (not to mention rotten teeth) due to their unhealthy life style. No stranger than the things that young people today

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-27 Thread William Samson
7;s have fun for a change! __ From: Shaun Ng To: Monica Hall Cc: R. Mattes ; Lutelist Sent: Thursday, 27 February 2014, 8:28 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise >> Campion actually says that he reccommends his pupils to take a few l

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-27 Thread Martyn Hodgson
>To: Monica Hall >Cc: R. Mattes ; Lutelist >Sent: Thursday, 27 February 2014, 8:28 >Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise > > >>> Campion actually says that he reccommends his pupils to take a few lessons >>> on the guitar before starting

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-27 Thread Shaun Ng
a guitar accompaniment is not a vaild source > for continuo realizations! Guitar players where actually known for there > inability to play sophisticated music (and that's why everyone and their > grandmother sneered at them)." > > There were a lot of amateur guitarists bu

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-26 Thread Monica Hall
I have read all the messages in order but there are rather a lot of them and no reason why I should reply to all of them in detail. To repeat again what you actually said... "First, as I've said before: a guitar accompaniment is not a vaild source for continuo realizations! Guit

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-26 Thread R. Mattes
On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 20:10:03 -, Monica Hall wrote Monica - are you still reading up? It's really hard to answer without knowing which of my posts you have read so far. > > First, as I've said before: a guitar accompaniment is not a vaild source > > for continuo realiz

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-26 Thread Monica Hall
t as a BC part? This is a vocal duo with written out theorbo accompaniment. The theorbo bass voice is an independent voice. Whether the bass is sung or not is irrelevant because the part in bass clef functions as the continuo line. The theorbo bass is definitely not "an independent voice&quo

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-26 Thread Monica Hall
First, as I've said before: a guitar accompaniment is not a vaild source for continuo realizations! Guitar players where actually known for there inability to play sophisticated music (and that's why everyone and their grandmother sneered at them). This is an outrageous remark.

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-26 Thread Monica Hall
, February 26, 2014 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise Quite right Monica. Exactly what I corrected in a later post... mouche = artificial beauty spots Best, Jean-Marie -- This translation is a bit nearer the mark but the phrase que d'y trouver d

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-26 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
ussion. > >May indeed supply a more idiomatic translation of the passage in due >course > >Monica. > > > > >- Original Message - >From: "Jean-Marie Poirier" >To: "'Lute List'" >Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:44 PM &g

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-26 Thread Monica Hall
ot;'Lute List'" Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:44 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise Thank you Howard but Google is not completely up to point. Here is my translation, not very far from Google's but... There was at court (of Charles II of England)

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-25 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Agreed Howard ! Google translations made my day a couple of times and I always advised my students to resort to it when they felt depressed and needed a bit of fun to brighten up ! Speaking of the great Bill, his monologue in Hamlet sifted through Google translator into French is a pure masterp

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-25 Thread howard posner
On Feb 25, 2014, at 9:44 AM, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: > Thank you Howard but Google is not completely up to point. I’m shocked — SHOCKED -- to hear it. > At first sight but a bit more accurate than Google I hope ;-) ! Sorry, but there’s simply no way to improve on “the toilet was beautiful,

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-25 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
a "mouche" was an artificial beauty spot actually ! Jean-Marie -- >Its getting a bit OT, but I think in the context 'mouche' on the ladies' >dressing tables refers to something other than 'flies'. I've found another >possible meaning: patch or ornament related to taffeta. > >Mile

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-25 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Here is what you get from the Dictionary of the French Academy, 1694 : Mouche : Certain petit morceau de taffetas noir que les Dames se mettent sur le visage, ou pour cacher quelques eleveures, ou pour faire paroistre leur teint plus blanc. a "mouche" was a tiny spot of black taffeta that Ladies

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-25 Thread Miles Dempster
Its getting a bit OT, but I think in the context 'mouche' on the ladies' dressing tables refers to something other than 'flies'. I've found another possible meaning: patch or ornament related to taffeta. Miles Dempster On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: > Thank you Howa

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-25 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Thank you Howard but Google is not completely up to point. Here is my translation, not very far from Google's but... There was at court (of Charles II of England) a certain Italianwho was famous for the guitar. He had genius for music, and he wa the only one who could do something with the guit

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-25 Thread howard posner
On Feb 25, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: > Here is the passage in question (I am confident that you can read French) : For those who can’t, I will helpfully offer a translation from Google Language Tools. I think it speaks for itself. "He had some Italian in the Court, famous

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-25 Thread R. Mattes
On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 07:41:43 -0800 (PST), Christopher Wilke wrote > Ralf, > > On Tue, 2/25/14, R. Mattes wrote: > > > There is no such thing as "harmony below bass". Please, get > > all out of your Berkeley Jazz shoes, now. > > No, everyone keep your shoes on, please! In fact, 17th century > playe

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-25 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
#x27;s music is quite often so sophisticated that it is very hard to play properly. It is a bit too simple to brush aside all the treatises for continuo realization on the guitar. They are perfectly justified and are the reflection of a common practice at the time. Here is the passage in question (I

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-25 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
#x27;s music is quite often so sophisticated that it is very hard to play properly. It is a bit too simple to brush aside all the treatises for continuo realization on the guitar. They are perfectly justified and are the reflection of a common practice at the time. Here is the passage in question (I

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-25 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Hodgson ; Monica Hall Sent: Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 09:52:18 + (GMT), Martyn Hodgson wrote > > Thank's for this. > > I can't actually see that inverted 7 6 sequences dictate a non > r

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-25 Thread Christopher Wilke
Ralf, On Tue, 2/25/14, R. Mattes wrote: > First, as I've said before: a guitar accompaniment is not a > vaild source > for continuo realizations! Guitar players where actually > known for there > inability to play sophisticated music... Whether the music they played is &q

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-25 Thread Christopher Wilke
Ralf, On Tue, 2/25/14, R. Mattes wrote: > There is no such thing as "harmony below bass". Please, get > all out of your Berkeley Jazz shoes, now. No, everyone keep your shoes on, please! In fact, 17th century players frequently utilized the option to play "harmony below the bass" by recognizin

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-25 Thread R. Mattes
n Let's-pretend". Not my way to aproach early music. > However, we know that guitarists > certainly did with alfabeto, in which identical finger shapes > resulted in harmonic units that would change position dependent upon > the tuning used. First, as I've said before:

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-25 Thread R. Mattes
t;harmony below bass". Please, get all out of your Berkeley Jazz shoes, now. If you play a realization like the given Bartolotti example on a reentrant instrument you simply create a new bass voice (and a pretty bad on, in this case). The continuo bass is the lowest voice - that's not a co

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-25 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Indeed - and, truth be told, I sometimes do it myself (ie adjusting the bass line) when wanting a particularly strong chord not practicable with the bass as found - especially when playing theorbo continuo in opera, large cantatas and the like where there is usually at least one

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-25 Thread Christopher Wilke
tially re-arrange according to dramatic context or idiomatic needs of the instrument. Chris Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com ---- On Tue, 2/25/14, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Subject: [LUTE] Re:

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-25 Thread Martyn Hodgson
__ From: R. Mattes To: Martyn Hodgson ; Monica Hall ; Lutelist Sent: Monday, 24 February 2014, 17:23 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 08:29:00 + (GMT), Martyn Hodgson wrote >

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-24 Thread Monica Hall
study of Bartolotti which is mainly concerned with the guitar I mentioned the continuo exercises briefly and relying on Lynda Sayce commented that they were intended for a theorboed lute without re-entrant courses. Someone contacted me and said he disagreed with me! I sure that Lynda is righ

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-24 Thread R. Mattes
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 18:23:03 +0100, R. Mattes wrote > I hate to follow up my own posts. > (f bflat) [1]. To be followed by a chain of 2nd chords ... Yes, we > all know that a 7-6 chain can be inverted (double counterpoint) into > a 2-3 chain but we also know this doesn't work with a third voice >

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-24 Thread R. Mattes
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 08:29:00 + (GMT), Martyn Hodgson wrote > I don't have this work either - I think... @Monica: are you by any chance refering to https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.441553512620558.1073741827.253474818095096&type=1 (Bartolotti continuo and solo similar

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-24 Thread Martyn Hodgson
ject: [LUTE] Bartolotti's continuo treatise Does anyone have a copy of Bartolotti's continuo treatise - Table pour apprendre a toucher le theorbe sur la basse continuo (1669). I haven't been able to trace one online. Someone queried with me this recent suggestion that

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-23 Thread R. Mattes
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 16:00:22 -, Monica Hall wrote > Does anyone have a copy of Bartolotti's continuo treatise - Table > pour apprendre a toucher le theorbe sur la basse continuo (1669). I > haven't been able to trace one online. I don't think that treaties is on

[LUTE] Bartolotti's continuo treatise

2014-02-23 Thread Monica Hall
Does anyone have a copy of Bartolotti's continuo treatise - Table pour apprendre a toucher le theorbe sur la basse continuo (1669). I haven't been able to trace one online. Someone queried with me this recent suggestion that the exercises are not intended for a theorbo with a

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Continuo duets for two continuo instruments?

2011-06-19 Thread R. Mattes
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 23:53:54 +0300, wikla wrote > Dear (continuo-)lutenists, > > there are (at least) two examples of duets for two continuo > instruments - only the numbered bass line written - but meant to be > played as otherwise all improvised duet. The one I remembered and

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Continuo duets for two continuo instruments?

2011-06-19 Thread wikla
Dear (continuo-)lutenists, there are (at least) two examples of duets for two continuo instruments - only the numbered bass line written - but meant to be played as otherwise all improvised duet. The one I remembered and also found in the Net, is by G. Strozzi, see http://www.continuo.ca/files

[LUTE] Re: Continuo and the Foscarini Experience

2011-04-01 Thread wikla
Well, not only in keyboard continuo there shouldn't be no limits; also plucked continuo is free - the only "limit" is that when it is good (subjective!) it serves the the soloist/ensemble/orchestra/... And also "serving" is subjective. Of course usually mastering the sty

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