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Ed and Eric,
I know the gimped strings sound great. I heard one on Kenneth's lute.
Have you paired these gimped strings with an octave? Any problems
with intonation? I'd
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From: Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ed and Eric,
I know the gimped strings sound great. I heard one on Kenneth's lute.
Have you paired
An ideal string, being perfectly limp (i.e., having no beam stiffnes) can
form a perfect hinge at each end. Every real string, because of its
stiffness, must deform with a short length of reverse curve at each end,
moving the point of inflection away from the end, and causing the frequency
to
Ed and Eric,
I know the gimped strings sound great. I heard one on Kenneth's lute.
Have you paired these gimped strings with an octave? Any problems
with intonation? I'd mostlikely pair it with a Nylgut octave. I was
just at Dan's site and about to order some gimped strings, but unless
I'm
Yes, gimped are expensive. But, they are nice strings. They are true.
I caution you to order them starting at the 7th course, not any higher than
the 6th. The reason for this is when fingering them (left had) with an
octave, the intonation often is a bit off. This is not because of
Thank you for your thoughts on this. I was thinking of these for my 6
and 7 course lutes. Maybe I'd better get just one gimped for the 7
course and Pistoys for the 5 6 for both lutes.
BTW, I retune between D F fairly often on the 7 course. It hasn't
been a problem with the overspun. Just
This particular wire woven into the gut makes the string more rigid,
and when vibrating, it is as though the string is shorter, because
it does not quite vibrate for the entire length of the string.
The phrase
it does not quite vibrate for the entire length
is misleading, and could not
True enough, but...
An ideal string, being perfectly limp (i.e., having no beam stiffnes) can
form a perfect hinge at each end. Every real string, because of its
stiffness, must deform with a short length of reverse curve at each end,
moving the point of inflection away from the end, and causing
, 13. April 2005 19:25
An: Michael Thames; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
timothy motz
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Michael,
I think humidity has a great deal to do with all the problems with gut.
I
live in northern Minnesota, and gut is a problem in the summer
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If I remember right, Michael live in New Mexico. Could the dry air
there be the reason why he has such problems with tuning in general
19:25
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timothy motz
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Michael,
I think humidity has a great deal to do with all the problems with gut.
I
live in northern Minnesota, and gut is a problem in the summer, due
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From: Wolfgang Wiehe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: lute outreach -tuning..
Good morning,
some weeks ago on our traditional lute party in berlin i tried a
gut-stringed lute. It was terrible, completely out
soon as well. Oh well!
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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From: Wolfgang Wiehe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 1:00 AM
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Good morning,
some weeks ago on our traditional lute
Ed wrote:
Wound 6th courses do not last as long as gut strings, believe me. I think
it is because in a wound string, you have 2 moving parts the metal
winding, and then the floss core. They are actually moving parts, where in
a gut string, the gut fibers are homogeneously bound. Gut
As I said before, I use Dan Larson's gimped strings for mandolino and
archlute bases... and they seem to be very long-lived indeed. I
personally
like these strings very much. And yes, they are as you describe them. On
Dan's earlier gimped strings the wire was often detectable on the
surface
Dear Craig,
Yes, I have a great deal of experience with the gimped string. Or, at
least with the gimped string that Dan Larson makes.
I like them very much, as for the 7th course lower, they have the same
principles as loaded gut, in that with the wire, it makes for a smaller
diameter
Yes, they are beautiful strings. Not only in sound, but they are gorgeous
to look at, for whatever that is worth. For your information, Dan is
starting to experiment with gimped strings, made from Tungsten wire,
instead of copper. It is heavier denser than copper, therefore, a
brighter
).
Best wishes
Thomas
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In this discussion, I have found similar instances when string stability
has been
Thomas has stated we are pitch challenged of lying about this, that it is
impossible for an instrument to stay in tune after travel. I believe
Roman
and Kenneth, as we have all had similarly good tuning experiences.
In my years of using carbon I had the same experience: incredible pitch
I have one gut string on my lute at the 3rd course, because I broke a
string. The gut has been a constant endless source of irritation. As all
the other strings are fine.
In my experience a mixture of string materials on one instrument is a common
source for intonation problems.
David
: lute outreach -tuning..
I have one gut string on my lute at the 3rd course, because I broke a
string. The gut has been a constant endless source of irritation. As all
the other strings are fine.
In my experience a mixture of string materials on one instrument is a
common
source
Dear David,
In my last note, I stated Thomas, but I meant to say Michael. My
apologies.
Yes David, I am mostly using gut now, with exception on my 8 course
lute. I have 1 instrument in synthetics, the rest in gut. Do you play 13
course baroque lute? If so, do you use gut for that
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Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 1:12 AM
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Hi Ed,
it wasn't me stating something about people being pitch-challenged.
Actually I have had the same experience as you. After being
Let me tell about some interesting lute outreach during which I definitely
could NOT keep my gut strings in tune. Several months ago I was crossing over
the Atlantic in a B747 cargo jet and couldn't resist giving my first-ever lute
outreach performance over the Mid-Atlantic Ridge to my fellow
I have wondered if anyone had ever taken a lute out in flight played for
passengers! Good show, Kenneth!
ed
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Let me tell about some interesting lute outreach during which I definitely
could NOT keep my gut strings in tune. Several months
I put it
in the car and take it to my lessons that it shifts much.
Tim
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Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:26:46 -0600
I have silver wound basses
My Hasenfuss- Weigert baroque is also factory tuned, as a gambist joking
told me. I hardly ever need to tune , especially if I don't change keys or
if the weather is not too wet. I use a mixture of Aquila and Pyramid
strings.
(Ok, hardly ever means every two, three days, but I've just had a
I too live in NM (the southern part) and though it can be extremely dry,
I have very few problems with gut strings. In general, I'm doing pretty well
if I can keep the general humidity around 40% when its much lower outside.
Of course, the summers where I live (an agricultural valley) can bring
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Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:09 AM
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If I remember right, Michael live in New Mexico. Could the dry air
there be the reason why he has such problems with tuning in general
and gut
Hi all,
I sometimes take my lute into the office for a session in my break. It
does bring it into reality for the people I work with who are amazed
anyone can play so many strings and the delight of early music,
unfamiliar to modern ears.
The only problem I have is the office is much hotter
Dear all
Ed wrote:
I have wondered if anyone had ever taken a lute out in flight played for
passengers! Good show, Kenneth!
Well, not in aeroplane, but a couple of times in train, 10-course and
theorbo. Both got good comments, and especially the theorbo aroused lots
of interest...
And
by!
Kenneth
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From: Arto Wikla [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:27:00 +0300 (EEST)
Subject: Re: lute outreach -tuning..
Dear all
Ed wrote:
I have wondered if anyone had
Hi all,
Some comments from custom officers I got - my archlute case is very
plain... :
Comment 1 -Poor kid..
Comment 2: That's a big violin you got...
Alain
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Michael,
I think humidity has a great deal to do with all the problems with gut.
I
live in northern Minnesota, and gut is a problem in the summer, due to
high
humidity. So, I keep 1 instrument in synthetic strings for the summer
months.
Michael, I am sorry that you
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Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: lute outreach -tuning..
I know that Mike Peterson and also Ronn McFarlane regularly play lute
in airport departure lounges while waiting for their flights. I myself
once took out my lute
My Hasenfuss- Weigert baroque is also factory tuned, as a gambist joking
told me. I hardly ever need to tune , especially if I don't change keys or
if the weather is not too wet. I use a mixture of Aquila and Pyramid
strings.
(Ok, hardly ever means every two, three days, but I've just had a
Donatella et Roman,
I the use same mixture of Nylgut and Pyramid
strings on my ten course and find that it stays in
tune remarkably well, although I'm not that crazy
about the sound of the pyramid basses on this
instrument.
Roman - have you found this tuning stability to be
typical with
, April 12, 2005 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: lute outreach -tuning..
My Hasenfuss- Weigert baroque is also factory tuned, as a gambist joking
told me. I hardly ever need to tune , especially if I don't change keys or
if the weather is not too wet. I use a mixture of Aquila and Pyramid
strings.
(Ok
I the use same mixture of Nylgut and Pyramid
strings on my ten course and find that it stays in
tune remarkably well, although I'm not that crazy
about the sound of the pyramid basses on this
instrument.
Roman - have you found this tuning stability to be
typical with carbon? I'm
Roman - have you found this tuning stability to be
typical with carbon? I'm thinking of stringing my
theorbo at least partially with it.
Chris
Yes. I have the courses 1-4 entirely in carbon, as well as most octaves. The
fundamentals are Pyramids on 5-7, and the 8-13 are old copper Savarez.
In this discussion, I have found similar instances when string stability
has been wonderful. Sometimes, I leave an instrument in the case (all gut
strung baroque lute), and after no attention for a few months, I open the
lid to my astonishment, it is in remarkably good tune. This is the
, April 12, 2005 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: lute outreach -tuning..
In this discussion, I have found similar instances when string stability
has been wonderful. Sometimes, I leave an instrument in the case (all gut
strung baroque lute), and after no attention for a few months, I open the
lid to my
are just stepping easy with the tuning.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 4:09 PM
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Most lutes in cases stay pretty well in tune, but I'm sorry our tolerances
for in tuneness must be radically different from each other. 2 months in a
case and you don't need to tune it, perhaps miracles do happen after all.
None of this qualifies as a miracle.
A miracle would be when a
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Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:28 PM
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Most lutes in cases stay pretty well in tune, but I'm sorry our
tolerances
for in tuneness must be radically different from
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A miracle would be when a luthier named Michael Thames realizes that
daft
insults do
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