Re: mod_perl (Was: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger)

2004-03-11 Thread John Siracusa
On 3/11/04 11:22 PM, Charlie Garrison wrote: > On 11/3/04 at 2:54 PM -0500, John Siracusa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 3/11/04 2:39 PM, Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj wrote: >>> Let's discuss Perl IDE's on the Mac! >> >> I thought the app looked neat and wouldn't have heard of it otherwise. Too >>

Re: mod_perl (Was: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger)

2004-03-11 Thread Charlie Garrison
Good afternoon, On 11/3/04 at 2:54 PM -0500, John Siracusa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On 3/11/04 2:39 PM, Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj wrote: >> Let's discuss Perl IDE's on the Mac! > >I thought the app looked neat and wouldn't have heard of it otherwise. Too >bad, like most GUI Perl debuggers, it

Re: Perl under OSX, what version of Unix to use

2004-03-11 Thread Sherm Pendley
On Mar 11, 2004, at 6:39 PM, jtownsen wrote: --what version of Unix Perl (Linux vs Solaris, for example) should I use? That's sort of an odd question - one can't expect to run Linux or Solaris binaries on Mac OS X. The literal answer, then, would be "the Mac OS X version." That's not a very use

Re: Perl under OSX, what version of Unix to use

2004-03-11 Thread Chris Nandor
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jtownsen) wrote: > I have several Perl scripts that I run on Win XP. I'd like to port them to > my OS X box. From what I've read on the web, I can run Unix Perl from the > OS X console. > > --what version of Unix Perl (Linux vs Solaris, for ex

Re: Perl under OSX, what version of Unix to use

2004-03-11 Thread Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj
On Mar 11, 2004, at 18:39, jtownsen wrote: I have several Perl scripts that I run on Win XP. I'd like to port them to my OS X box. From what I've read on the web, I can run Unix Perl from the OS X console. You mean "terminal"... (sorry to be pedantic!)... What version are you running now? --wha

Perl under OSX, what version of Unix to use

2004-03-11 Thread jtownsen
I have several Perl scripts that I run on Win XP. I'd like to port them to my OS X box. From what I've read on the web, I can run Unix Perl from the OS X console. --what version of Unix Perl (Linux vs Solaris, for example) should I use? --any pitfalls I should be aware of when moving from Win to

Re: Unwelcome product announcement

2004-03-11 Thread Morbus Iff
>So I'm going to suggest that the bests solution is that everybody >just blame ME, call *ME* bad names, and get on with their lives. >Like a true sociopath, I'll deny I did anything wrong, but I'll >spray paint that message all over Columbia, MO rather than all over >this list and its archives. > >

Re: Perl/TK (Was: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Jerry LeVan
From the Google comp.lang.perl.tk group > Steve Lidie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On Feb 28, 2004, at 12:49 PM, Nick Ing-Simmons wrote: >> >>> Pause <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The uploaded file Tk-804.025_beta15.tar.gz >> >> Results for Mac OS X Panther 10.3.2, IRIX 6.5.2

Re: Perl/TK (Was: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj
On Mar 11, 2004, at 18:15, Jerry LeVan wrote: Works fine on my stock Panther Perl...Tk-804.025_beta13 So - you downloaded this from CPAN and just used the Darwin install then? No kludges or anything? BPR Jerry Bohdan> Any quick way to install for use? A web-site or page on this? It inst

Re: Unwelcome product announcement

2004-03-11 Thread Jonathan King
On 11 Mar 2004, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > I came here for technical discussions of open-source software related > to Perl on OSX. Not to be the target of adverts. I came here for technical discussions related to Perl on OSX. Not to be the target of people targeting advertisers. And, frankl

Re: Perl/TK (Was: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj
On Mar 11, 2004, at 18:06, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: "Bohdan" == Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Bohdan> Now, about Perl/TK (and I hope I'm not rehashing something on this Bohdan> list which I may have missed some time prior) - any body running Bohdan> on 10.3? Yes, working

Re: Affrus PLUS Perl/TK

2004-03-11 Thread Jerry LeVan
Yes :) Jerry On Mar 11, 2004, at 6:09 PM, Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj wrote: On Mar 11, 2004, at 18:05, Jerry LeVan wrote: Last version of Tk I tried built out of the box. Do you mean you downloaded this from CPAN or somewhere? Thanks! BPR PS - Mark - Affrus support TK extensions? Could I

Re: Affrus PLUS Perl/TK

2004-03-11 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
> "Bohdan" == Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Last version of Tk I tried built out of the box. Bohdan> Do you mean you downloaded this from CPAN or somewhere? Yes: perl -MCPAN -e 'install "Tk"' -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 7

Re: Perl/TK (Was: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Jerry LeVan
Works fine on my stock Panther Perl...Tk-804.025_beta13 Jerry Bohdan> Any quick way to install for use? A web-site or page on this? It installs according to the "INSTALL.darwin" in the distro. You *cannot* use the Panther Perl with it. You have to build your own. My configure line (which work

Re: Affrus PLUS Perl/TK

2004-03-11 Thread Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj
On Mar 11, 2004, at 18:05, Jerry LeVan wrote: Last version of Tk I tried built out of the box. Do you mean you downloaded this from CPAN or somewhere? Thanks! BPR PS - Mark - Affrus support TK extensions? Could I actually step through, line by line, and actually see my graphic widgets ma

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
> "Rick" == Rick Measham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Rick> Randal: They have already declared such a post to be allowable. Where Rick> did they do that? When Ask set up spam filters on the machine in the Rick> TPF owned domain: Rick> On 12 Mar 2004, at 4:40 AM, Mark Alldritt wrote: >> X-Spam-

Re: Unwelcome product announcement

2004-03-11 Thread Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj
On Mar 11, 2004, at 17:58, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: "Bohdan" == Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Bohdan> I'd love to hear about new releases! Good, then join a "new product announcement" list, or start one yourself. This is a *technical discussion* list, operated on a machin

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
> "Wiggins" == Wiggins D Anconia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Wiggins> This makes an interesting problem, if he can't post an Wiggins> announcement to a general discussion group *AND* he can't Wiggins> post an announcement to 'announce' just because it is Wiggins> commercial... He can set up a

Re: Perl/TK (Was: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
> "Bohdan" == Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Bohdan> Now, about Perl/TK (and I hope I'm not rehashing something on this Bohdan> list which I may have missed some time prior) - any body running Bohdan> on 10.3? Yes, working just fine. Bohdan> Is it Aqualike? or X11? X1

Re: Affrus PLUS Perl/TK

2004-03-11 Thread Jerry LeVan
Last version of Tk I tried built out of the box. Jerry PS - any Perl/TK users out there? Do we have an FAQ for this yet? I use TK with perl on Solaris alot, but haven't yet turned my attention to running this under OS X. Installation instructions/pitfalls might be a nice thread, if not r

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Rick Measham
Mark, thanks for this announcement. There is no other place on the net that would have let me know about this tool. I'll go and check it out now. Randal said: I will stand by my statement that the posting is wrong until one or both of those entities have declared contrary ground rules, and conti

Re: Unwelcome product announcement

2004-03-11 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
> "Bohdan" == Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Bohdan> I'd love to hear about new releases! Good, then join a "new product announcement" list, or start one yourself. This is a *technical discussion* list, operated on a machine administrated by Ask (if I recall), on a doma

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Wiggins d Anconia
> > "Chris" == Chris Nandor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Chris> I was the one who started this mailing list. There is no admin > Chris> of this specific list, last I checked. > > Chris> I fully support this posting to this list. > > > Without such a stand, we enter a slippery slope. I

Perl/TK (Was: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj
On Mar 11, 2004, at 17:46, Morbus Iff wrote: >Wh! MOMMY! Can you imagine Randall, all sweaty, popping out Pudge, all bloody? That'd be a sight to see. I'd donate some money to TPF for a Photoshop'd rendition of that. Awww - let's leave poor Randall alone, chuckle! This is too funny! No

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Bill Birkett
Chris Nandor wrote: I fully support this posting to this list. It is a new product designed specifically for Perl on Mac OS X. This mailing list is *the most appropriate place on the entire Internet* for an announcement of this software. The fact that it is commercial is irrelevant to me; as so

Re: Unwelcome product announcement

2004-03-11 Thread Morbus Iff
>> - >> Mark Alldritt Late Night Software Ltd. >> Phone: 250-380-1725 333 Moss Street >> FAX: 250-383-3204 Victoria, B.C. >> WEB: http://www.latenightsw.com/CANADA

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Morbus Iff
>Wh! MOMMY! Can you imagine Randall, all sweaty, popping out Pudge, all bloody? That'd be a sight to see. I'd donate some money to TPF for a Photoshop'd rendition of that. -- Morbus Iff ( i put the demon back in codemonkey ) Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Stewart Leicester
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote: > Anyone with admin powers able to pull this clown from the list. > Commercial adverts. Seriously. No place for them here. I fully support this posting to this list. It is a new product designed specifically for Perl on Mac OS X. This mailing

Re: Unwelcome product announcement

2004-03-11 Thread Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj
Oh, please DON'T do that! I'd love to hear about new releases! And - already we had a good quote from somehow stating that your product doesn't support mod_perl (hey, next release maybe?). It'd be great to hear from people who are using the product - pro's and cons and how to make things better.

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Chris Nandor
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote: > I will stand by my statement that the posting is wrong until one or > both of those entities have declared contrary ground rules So until they state a rule that has never existed doesn't exist, you'll stand by your

Re: Affrus PLUS Perl/TK

2004-03-11 Thread Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj
On Mar 11, 2004, at 17:21, Chris Nandor wrote: Affrus is an excellent product. I hate using the Perl debugger on the command line, it gives me the willies. Affrus makes it much easier to find problems in your perl code, especially when it goes through many modules and files. I only wish I had

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
> "Chris" == Chris Nandor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Chris> I was the one who started this mailing list. There is no admin Chris> of this specific list, last I checked. Chris> I fully support this posting to this list. I believe that even if you requested that this list be started, you are

Affrus

2004-03-11 Thread Chris Nandor
Affrus is an excellent product. I hate using the Perl debugger on the command line, it gives me the willies. Affrus makes it much easier to find problems in your perl code, especially when it goes through many modules and files. I only wish I had more bugs in my code so I could use it more!

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Chris Nandor
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote: > > "Mark" == Mark Alldritt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Mark> Late Night Software is pleased to announce the release of its newest > Mac OS > Mark> X scripting product: Affrus 1.0. > > Anyone with admin power

Standalone Mono for OS X

2004-03-11 Thread Nathan Torkington
(not really Perl content, so I look forward to being reamed by Randal for polluting our bandwidth, tragifying the commons, and generally being the vanguard of a thousand dark years of oppressive alien rule) I believe you can get mono via Fink, but I've soured on Fink after several of those upg

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Sherm Pendley
On Mar 11, 2004, at 2:15 PM, Jeff Lowrey wrote: I don't see a big difference between this announcement and Sherm Pendley's recent announcement about a new version of CamelBones. I think of it in terms of a user's group meeting. If a well-known regular shows up to the meeting and announces to one

Unwelcome product announcement

2004-03-11 Thread Mark Alldritt
Hi All, My apologies for causing all this trouble and wasted bandwidth. I wasn't aware of a prohibition of on-topic commercial content. Won't happen again. -Mark - Mark Alldritt Late Night Software Ltd.

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Brian McNett
On Thursday 11 March 2004 12:09, Jason FB wrote: > As someone who is relatively new to this list this experience has > been very edifying. I would ask two theoretical questions: > > 1. How do we approach this situation with compassion for all of the > parties involved? > > 2. How do we set limits

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Joseph Alotta
What is top-quoting? Joe. On Mar 11, 2004, at 1:21 PM, Morbus Iff wrote: * no top-quoting.

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Chris Devers
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Jason FB wrote: > See the SMART thing to do would have been to get a friend of his to > recommend the product to the list -- that way it comes across as a > recommendation and/or referral rather than a advertisement. Psst! Viral marketing doesn't work! Tell everyone you k

Re:

2004-03-11 Thread Chris Devers
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Andy Lester wrote: > Received: from boggle.pobox.com (boggle.pobox.com [208.58.1.193]) > by cis.usouthal.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id i2BJTijo024764 > for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:29:45 -0600 (CST) > Received: from boggle.pobox.com (localhost

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Jason FB
See the SMART thing to do would have been to get a friend of his to recommend the product to the list -- that way it comes across as a recommendation and/or referral rather than a advertisement. As a small business owner myself, I have sympathy for how hard it is to find free places to advertis

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread John Siracusa
On 3/11/04 2:39 PM, Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj wrote: > Let's discuss Perl IDE's on the Mac! I thought the app looked neat and wouldn't have heard of it otherwise. Too bad, like most GUI Perl debuggers, it doesn't seem to support mod_perl debugging... -John

RE: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Deshazer, Earl (GEAE)
Okay, so this was a blatant plug, and I do see the point about not creating spam, but I personally was not offended by this email, because I saw it as an appropriate tool for the goals and objectives of subscribers to this forum. It is arguably as useful a tool for many as Camelbones is (no slight

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj
On Mar 11, 2004, at 2:15 PM, Jeff Lowrey wrote: I don't see a big difference between this announcement and Sherm Pendley's recent announcement about a new version of CamelBones. And I find the *discussion* of the "appropriateness "of the announcement more offensive than the announcement itself.

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Jeff Lowrey
At 01:57 PM 3/11/2004, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > "Mark" == Mark Alldritt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Mark> Late Night Software is pleased to announce the release of its newest Mac OS Mark> X scripting product: Affrus 1.0. Commercial adverts. Seriously. No place for them here. I don't see

macosx@perl.org

2004-03-11 Thread Andy Lester
OK, we've now had >10x the volume of the original message squawking about it. Please, no "eternal vigilance or else we descend into the swamp" posts. xoa -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
> "Lola" == Lola Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Lola> Looking at the main page of http://www.lists.perl.org, from where the Lola> list originates, I don't see any prohibition against commercial averts Lola> having to do with Perl, especially when it is an application to help Lola> create perl

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Morbus Iff
>Looking at the main page of http://www.lists.perl.org, from where the >list originates, I don't see any prohibition against commercial >averts having to do with Perl, especially when it is an application >to help create perl scripts. Nor does there seem to be anything else >in the page for the li

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
> "Bohdan" == Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Bohdan> This post was a joke, right? Bohdan> Your "signature" looks like advertising to me, LOL! By your "LOL", I'll presume you're a young'un, not familiar with the ways and means of Internet Email Lists. No commercial promo

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread John Delacour
At 10:57 am -0800 11/3/04, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Anyone with admin powers able to pull this clown from the list. Commercial adverts. Seriously. No place for them here. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.stonehenge.c

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Lola Lee
At 10:57 AM -0800 3/11/04, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Anyone with admin powers able to pull this clown from the list. Commercial adverts. Seriously. No place for them here. Looking at the main page of http://www.lists.perl.org, from where the list originates, I don't see any prohibition agains

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Brian McNett
On Thursday 11 March 2004 10:57, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > Anyone with admin powers able to pull this clown from the list. > > Commercial adverts. Seriously. No place for them here. Seconded. Way too much like spam. There are ways to properly plug your product on a discussion list. This i

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj
This post was a joke, right? Your "signature" looks like advertising to me, LOL! BPR PS - I did find the post interesting and of potential use, btw, albeit I would deplore crass commercialism. On Mar 11, 2004, at 1:57 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: "Mark" == Mark Alldritt <[EMAIL PROT

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Morbus Iff
>> "Mark" == Mark Alldritt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>Randal L. Schwartz writes: >>Anyone with admin powers able to pull this clown from the list. >>Commercial adverts. Seriously. No place for them here. Seconded. -- Morbus Iff ( i put the demon back in codemonkey ) Culture: http://www

Re: ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
> "Mark" == Mark Alldritt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Mark> Late Night Software is pleased to announce the release of its newest Mac OS Mark> X scripting product: Affrus 1.0. Anyone with admin powers able to pull this clown from the list. Commercial adverts. Seriously. No place for them he

ANNOUNCE: Affrus 1.0 - a Perl Debugger

2004-03-11 Thread Mark Alldritt
Hi Folks, Late Night Software is pleased to announce the release of its newest Mac OS X scripting product: Affrus 1.0. Affrus 1.0 is an integrated Perl editing and debugging environment for Mac OS X. It wraps Perl in a standard, familiar, and intuitive user interface. Affrus is the perfect cente