Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

Hi! I wonder how many lines of code they have to go through? Must be thousands of lines of code. Think of that! /A > On 24 Oct 2015, at 20:25, Robin wrote: > > That's not "True" as (I Beleive) Google does Manufacture its Own (the Nexus) > & Microsoft does with

Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

For when ever it may be worth, I absolutely agree with you about the necessity for those with power and Apple to recognize the extreme importance of keeping your commitment regarding the quality of excess ability. I only meant that I didn't think they should have to know about all the inns and

Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

"Google does not do it. Microsoft is a laugh. And the screen reader vendors are little." This is because none of them build both the hardware and the software. Apple does both and quite well. Does that put them on an even higher level of responsibility? No. But we as the user who

Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

Plus, you have to report the bugs in a tome that makes us worthy of making business with and that’s *not* the kind of tone we often hear here. Sadly i’ve been in beta test groups where the tone was much like that around here and as long as that tone persisted nothing much was achieved. /Krister

Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

That's not "True" as (I Beleive) Google does Manufacture its Own (the Nexus) & Microsoft does with (Surface & Lumia & XBox) Their TTS offerings may not be ToTheStandard of Apple's TTS (VoiceOver), but they are steadily making improvements along the road On the OtherHand, Apple "appears"

RE: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

Hello Chris, I occasionally use the Zoom tool in OS X. It's very nice and works very well. I've considered purchasing ZoomText for the Mac but, as yet, see no need to do so as the native Zoom tool meets all of my needs. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

Google does not make their Nexus phones and tablets. The contract that out to other companies. Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 24, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Robin wrote: > > That's not "True" as (I Beleive) Google does Manufacture its Own (the Nexus) > & Microsoft does

Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

It’s true: Google don’t even make the effort on Android. They make a much more concerted effort on ChromeOS, though, where (surprise!) the platform is used much more heavily in the educational environments for which a mandate of accessibility would incentivise progress. -- You received this

Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

Krister, You have said this before and the concept is lost on some people. It is so true tho, that if one wants to catch a fly, use honey, not vinegar. The people at Apple that we report bugs to are themselves not the developers but the conduit. We show them respect, we get respect in

Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

Mary’s correct. Just because they brand them as the Google Nexus, doesn’t mean Google makes them. They’re made by HTC, Asus, etc. > On Oct 24, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > > Google does not make their Nexus phones and tablets. The contract that out to > other

Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

For what its worth, I'm always respectful to the people at Apple. I simply tell them the problems, and they pass it on. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 24, 2015, at 1:22 PM, Krister Ekstrom > wrote: > > Plus, you have to report the bugs in a tome that makes us worthy

Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

Not meaning to be rude, but if you think this bug compares to editting text with a BT keyboard on Android, then I have some honest to god news for you. Editting with Android and a BT keyboard is phenominally disgusting! right now! Write me off list if you want more detail, but I assure you,

Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

Very true. For example, Motorola makes the Nexus 6. Asus made the 7 inch Nexus 7 tablet. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" To: Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2015 2:46 PM Subject: Re: What's the word with the update

Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

I've used Zoom in El Capitan all the time with no problem I could tell. Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda MySpace.com/musikonalda Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda Twitter: @lpnalda > On Oct 24, 2015, at 1:31 PM, M. Taylor wrote: > >

Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

You mention about them having other accessibility things than just Voiceover to deal with. I’m curious if anyone on this list happens to therefore use Zoom either on OSX, or on I O S. If so, I don’t have quite enough sight to use it on either, but I’m wondering in general how well it works,

Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

Notice though that El Capitan is not pronounced correctly on iOS 9.1, just released. :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

I don’t agree that executives shouldn’t know about accessibility. They may not know the details, but they ought to understand the urgency and importance. Steve Jobs was once the CEO of Apple and he demoed the latest products for his admiring audience; he didn’t palm the job off to his

Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

Very well put Sabahattin. Agreed with everything you said. Just because we use VO we should not be afraid to call Apple out on bugs especially when they keep getting worse and worse. Why should I feel I should have to settle for mediocrity with just because I am a VO user.I still feel Apple is

Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

I know Apple can do well. I've seen it a lot in iOS. But we just have bugs upon bugs to deal with, and I'm just not sure what the quality control people do with accessibility. For example, right now there is a bug in iOS where if you use a bluetooth keyboard and arrow arround, and you hit a

Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

Brian, That was not called for. If you are sick of it, use the delete key. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 10/23/2015 9:39 PM, Brian Fischler wrote: Daniel learn to read before typing. Did I

Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

Daniel learn to read before typing. Did I say VO is the only thing about accessibility, no. I am so sick of you and your don’t let the Lord split ya, you are such an idiot. Yeah, I called you an idiot. Any time anyone says something you do not agree with you there you go saying don’t let the

Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

I agree, Mary, hence why they have their own team of accessibility engineers, that *have* to work on 4 different operating systems, and work on not just Voiceover. It makes me sick how many people think VoiceOver is the only accessibility feature Apple has to work on at all times, so they

Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

Thanks for the heads up will be staying put on Yosemite for good now. Captain and my experience was just awful real big step backwards as far as accessibility. And I am not surprised as I met with someone from Apple yesterday and was stunned to hear that none of the higher ups have a real

Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

Hi Brian, I'm not sure what you meant by higher ups. But I wouldn't expect the top management at a company like Apple to have much of a clue about details regarding accessibility. The real issue is quality control and whether or not the people implementing excess ability have a clue. If Tim

Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

My opinion is that unless you have a specific reason to move to El Capitan, staying put will give you the better experience. At this stage I’d say the El Capitan experience is merely tolerable, but not great. Responsiveness is a definite plus, and I have come to endure iBooks for sheer lack

Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

Hi, The bug with text being cut off is slowly being squashed. For me, on my machine it happens but it doesn’t happen often anymore. It has been gradually better since the betas so i have full hope it will be totally fixed soon. /Krister > 22 okt. 2015 kl. 15:16 skrev Brian Fischler