Hi!
I wonder how many lines of code they have to go through?
Must be thousands of lines of code.
Think of that!
/A
> On 24 Oct 2015, at 20:25, Robin wrote:
>
> That's not "True" as (I Beleive) Google does Manufacture its Own (the Nexus)
> & Microsoft does with (Surface & Lumia & XBox)
>
> Thei
Very true. For example, Motorola makes the Nexus 6.
Asus made the 7 inch Nexus 7 tablet.
Chris.
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From: "Mary Otten"
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Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2015 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO
Google does
It’s true: Google don’t even make the effort on Android. They make a much more
concerted effort on ChromeOS, though, where (surprise!) the platform is used
much more heavily in the educational environments for which a mandate of
accessibility would incentivise progress.
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For what its worth, I'm always respectful to the people at Apple. I simply tell
them the problems, and they pass it on.
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> On Oct 24, 2015, at 1:22 PM, Krister Ekstrom
> wrote:
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> Plus, you have to report the bugs in a tome that makes us worthy of making
> business with a
, editting on I O
S is way! way! better.
clgillan...@gmail.com
Chris.
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I know Apple can do well. I've seen it
Mary’s correct. Just because they brand them as the Google Nexus, doesn’t mean
Google makes them. They’re made by HTC, Asus, etc.
> On Oct 24, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
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> Google does not make their Nexus phones and tablets. The contract that out to
> other companies.
> Mary
>
>
>
Google does not make their Nexus phones and tablets. The contract that out to
other companies.
Mary
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> On Oct 24, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Robin wrote:
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> That's not "True" as (I Beleive) Google does Manufacture its Own (the Nexus)
> & Microsoft does with (Surface & Lumia & XBo
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>
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: What's the word with the update for El Capi
Krister,
You have said this before and the concept is lost on some people. It
is so true tho, that if one wants to catch a fly, use honey, not vinegar.
The people at Apple that we report bugs to are themselves not the
developers but the conduit. We show them respect, we get respect in tu
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You mention about them having other accessibility things than just Voi
That's not "True" as (I Beleive) Google does
Manufacture its Own (the Nexus) & Microsoft does with (Surface & Lumia & XBox)
Their TTS offerings may not be ToTheStandard of
Apple's TTS (VoiceOver), but they are steadily
making improvements along the road
On the OtherHand, Apple "appears" to
Plus, you have to report the bugs in a tome that makes us worthy of making
business with and that’s *not* the kind of tone we often hear here. Sadly i’ve
been in beta test groups where the tone was much like that around here and as
long as that tone persisted nothing much was achieved.
/Krister
"Google does not do it. Microsoft is a laugh. And the screen reader
vendors are little."
This is because none of them build both the hardware and the
software. Apple does both and quite well. Does that put them on an even
higher level of responsibility? No. But we as the user who require
For when ever it may be worth, I absolutely agree with you about the necessity
for those with power and Apple to recognize the extreme importance of keeping
your commitment regarding the quality of excess ability. I only meant that I
didn't think they should have to know about all the inns and o
I know Apple can do well. I've seen it a lot in iOS. But we just have bugs upon
bugs to deal with, and I'm just not sure what the quality control people do
with accessibility. For example, right now there is a bug in iOS where if you
use a bluetooth keyboard and arrow arround, and you hit a spac
Notice though that El Capitan is not pronounced correctly on iOS 9.1, just
released. :)
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You mention about them having other accessibility things than just Voiceover to
deal with. I’m curious if anyone on this list happens to therefore use Zoom
either on OSX, or on I O S. If so, I don’t have quite enough sight to use it
on either, but I’m wondering in general how well it works, an
Very well put Sabahattin. Agreed with everything you said. Just because we use
VO we should not be afraid to call Apple out on bugs especially when they keep
getting worse and worse. Why should I feel I should have to settle for
mediocrity with just because I am a VO user.I still feel Apple is d
I don’t agree that executives shouldn’t know about accessibility. They may not
know the details, but they ought to understand the urgency and importance.
Steve Jobs was once the CEO of Apple and he demoed the latest products for his
admiring audience; he didn’t palm the job off to his engineer
Brian,
That was not called for. If you are sick of it, use the delete key.
From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?
On 10/23/2015 9:39 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:
Daniel learn to read before typing. Did I say
Daniel learn to read before typing. Did I say VO is the only thing about
accessibility, no. I am so sick of you and your don’t let the Lord split ya,
you are such an idiot. Yeah, I called you an idiot. Any time anyone says
something you do not agree with you there you go saying don’t let the Goo
I agree, Mary, hence why they have their own team of accessibility engineers,
that *have* to work on 4 different operating systems, and work on not just
Voiceover. It makes me sick how many people think VoiceOver is the only
accessibility feature Apple has to work on at all times, so they expect
Hi Brian,
I'm not sure what you meant by higher ups. But I wouldn't expect the top
management at a company like Apple to have much of a clue about details
regarding accessibility. The real issue is quality control and whether or not
the people implementing excess ability have a clue. If Tim Cook
Thanks for the heads up will be staying put on Yosemite for good now. Captain
and my experience was just awful real big step backwards as far as
accessibility. And I am not surprised as I met with someone from Apple
yesterday and was stunned to hear that none of the higher ups have a real
under
My opinion is that unless you have a specific reason to move to El Capitan,
staying put will give you the better experience. At this stage I’d say the El
Capitan experience is merely tolerable, but not great. Responsiveness is a
definite plus, and I have come to endure iBooks for sheer lack of
Hi,
The bug with text being cut off is slowly being squashed. For me, on my machine
it happens but it doesn’t happen often anymore. It has been gradually better
since the betas so i have full hope it will be totally fixed soon.
/Krister
> 22 okt. 2015 kl. 15:16 skrev Brian Fischler :
>
> Have n
Have not seen a lot of traction about the El Capitan update that dropped
yesterday. Is anything fixed in safari? When you use your arrows to go from
link to link are the next links consistently read? Anyone having issues with VO
stability in safari as this was a major issue for me and I rolled b
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