Why not subscribe to the mac4theblind list. It's quite a low traffic list, so
I'm sure that new members are most welcome to join.
Just my input, for what's it's worth.
On 26 Aug 2015, at 20:07, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
Hello Tyler,
Are you aware that there are
Good point
There’s also the mac for the blind site that’s pretty low traffic but has a
great signal to noise ratio and a very light moderation.
I believe it’s mac4thebl...@freelists.org mailto:mac4thebl...@freelists.org
On Aug 26, 2015, at 3:07 PM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent:
Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:25 AM Subject: Re: a new
macvisionaries list
You must be talking about a different Mailman, as on my site I
get: No manual entry for mailman
Mailman 2.x, at least, stores its data in Python pickles, not SQL
databases. Although I
First off, nothing Chris says or could say offends me or for that matter
nothing anyone says on any of these mailing lists offends me or would chase me
away.
Secondly, I’ve actually taken the time to talk to Chris off line and
also seen a whole different side to his responses on another
I actually was curious about that myself, why not just tighten up on the rules
concerning this list than spend time creating a new one?
On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:46 AM, 'Gabriele Battaglia' via MacVisionaries
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
Reply to the Littlefield, Tyler's message,
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It's pretty ridiculous that this thread is more than 100 messages long.
On 8/27/2015 2:55 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
Hello: I'm a bit baffled by this response, because you're trying to
make Chris sound like this reasonable guy who sometimes
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Jonathan,
I promised a last message on the last one and forgot I wanted to reply
to this.
I want to be totally honest here, I didn't really think about this
slapping anyone in the face when it happened. When I started the list,
my thought process was
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Hello:
I'm a bit baffled by this response, because you're trying to make
Chris sound like this reasonable guy who sometimes just might slip
with the f-bomb. This is not the case. Less than a month ago I said
something that bothered him. I woke up to
Because we and Chris’s ISP is in a free country.
We do not legislate speech here. Our founders created the first amendment to
support freedom of expression and the press. They made this the first
amendment because it was to them the most important freedom that needed to be
codified. Hate
acknowledge your concerns initially though.
Chris.
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From: Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: a new macvisionaries list
You must be talking about a different Mailman, as on my site I
Hi All,
I just want to send this quick note along first, to thank those of you who have
offered their support to me and those I love.
this truly means a lot to me and please know that this is not something I take
lightly nor will forget. So thank you!
Now, on to some quick list business;
Only the list owner can add new moderators.
From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?
On 8/26/2015 9:29 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
For whatever it may be worth, I really think the best thing would be to have
Hi Tyler and all. As someone who has participated in these sorts of forums for
around 30 years, dating back to the FidoNet days, I generally have a policy of
not fuelling the flames by making comments on the drama. I've also run many
lists in my time, and like you, I don't agree that a totally
Hello Tyler,
Are you aware that there are several other lists for VoiceOver users? The one
that comes to mind immediately is Mac-Access, which is a very quiet list and I
know there are others.
I agree with Jonathan that using the name MacVisionaries is dishonest and you
should find your own
Last he checked in with me, Saqib was still working at Microsoft. I too was
around at the very beginning, but I’ve been on and off since. Of course, many
of you will know that Cara very graciously took up the reins and has made her
presence felt since that time, until she slipped into the
Reply to the Littlefield, Tyler's message, wrote on 26/08/2015 at 05:29:
Hi, sorry but, maybe I lost something.
Why a new list?
What is going to happen to this one?
Thanks.
Gabriel.
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For whatever it may be worth, I really think the best thing would be to have
new moderators on this list, rather than fragmenting the community. I know that
is not a new idea as several have mentioned the same idea. I also don't agree
with the wild West approach. I'm sorry. But when you send
Hello:
I actually tried for the best of both worlds here. I’ve reached out to Cara
numerous times, even mentioned her on twitter and gotten no response. This was
the last solution for me, but one which I really do think will work. So I do
want it known that I have exhausted all possibilities
I think its funny how people like to push the responsibility on to someone else
instead of deal with it themselves.
If you don’t want to invite someone in to your home then don’t. Nobody forces
you to read anything.
These are the same busy bodies who want content pulled on TV because someone
I like your solution. People who want a little oversight can take that option
and people who don’t are able to stay as is.
Couldn’t be much more fair than that.
I’d say to the folks concerned about fragmentation that happy users on the list
even if fragments of the former list are probably
I am aware of who the individual who seems to like to get peoples feelings
stirred up is, and since I know where my delete key is, I have no problem with
this individual. This individual comes and goes, and unless excluded, he’ll be
back! However, my delete key is a constant, not a variable,
I just laugh at the person when he writes the messages which people don't like.
I don't care what he says. He does not worry me. I laugh and then I delete.
On 26 Aug 2015, at 10:48 pm, Rich Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote:
I am aware of who the individual who seems to like to get peoples
well, if this party has threatened or used hate speech, you report them
to the authorities. One does not well build a new house instead.
..not that you were asking me of course smiles.
Why not report their conduct to the Internet provider?
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015, Yuma Decaux wrote:
Scott,
Scott,
What are you really ttryint to get to? Take the same home analogy, or let’s say
the social club analogy. A majority is agreeing that this guy is detrimental.
It’s been months like this and in recent dates taking a culminating effect of
driving the discussion towards what to do with him,
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Hello:
A lot of people have had numerous problems on this list.
My last response on this list was cursed at and nothing is being done
to stop it. As a result of the spam/cursing/general throwing of fits,
I created a new list where rules can be
Hi all,
As some of you will no doubt recall, I brought this very possibility up some
months back, when we were getting some rather unpleasant emails from someone's
hacked account. It does seem to me that this list has had more problems of
late, and that having someone setting some guidelines
Great! i will be joining today!
just because this list used to be good in the past doesn’t mean we have to
stay and hope, maybe someday, things get better.
there are so many other relevent other lists around where i won’t have to
delete so many posts every day.
and, yes, we do need police.
Indeed, she seems to be alive and well on the viPhone list, but we live
overshadowed by a corpse on this one.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 26, 2015, at 7:30 AM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
OK, so I'm going to address the elephant in the room to which you eluded.
Cara, if you're
Scott, as you know I'm basically in the same camp as you. When I modded the
AIphone list, I was frequently criticized for being too lax. and i completely
agree about the delete key and it's incredible value. :) However, unless you
decide just not to read certain people's emails, you do end
Indeed, having an active moderator on this list would be the ideal solution. As
others have said, this list already has a critical mass, and is one of the
standard places many people are pointed to when seeking help with VoiceOver on
the Mac. Cara popped up recently, so she's around. If Tyler
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Hey Donna,
I'm going for exactly that, efficiency. I've had over 50 subscription
requests which I think says a lot to what people want.
I've ran this idea by Chris. He's not really even willing to fully
moderate Chris gilland, so I don't think this
I'm good with that, lol. You? A Brain-to-mouth filter problem? I can't
imagine! :)
Take care,
Donna
On Aug 26, 2015, at 7:20 AM, Scott Granados scott.grana...@gmail.com wrote:
Or here’s a counter idea, just create a rule that sends the offender to the
bit bucket automatically. Removes
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Hello Pam,
I'll try to answer your questions. the new list does have a digest
mode, which you can set if you sign up through the website.
The second part of your email (or first, really) is more the reason
why I created the list. Right now, anyone
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Hello Scott,
There's a vast difference in overly moderating and moderating of those
who make the community unpleasant for others. For example, should
someone receive an email cursing at them (which happens here pretty
frequently), the problem gets
Or here’s a counter idea, just create a rule that sends the offender to the bit
bucket automatically. Removes the slog and the offender at the same time.:)
I use rules all the time not just for filtering out the undesirables but also
to filter things like monitoring tool output in to a folder
Reply to the Littlefield, Tyler's message, wrote on 26/08/2015 at 13:43:
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Hello:
A lot of people have had numerous problems on this list.
Ok. Are we migrated automatically or do we have to take some action?
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You received this message because
OK, so I'm going to address the elephant in the room to which you eluded.
Cara, if you're out there, you either need to mod the list yourself, or let it
go! Cara is like a ghost on this list. Nobody wants to step on her toes.
She is part of our problem. From what i can tell, she seems to
The only input I have hear is that I think the name of the new list should be
changed to something other than Mac Visionaries. This is going to potentially
cause a lot of confusion. If a new list is to be created, then why not start
with a clean slate and give the new list a new name?
Take
Having a second Macvisionaries floating around may indeed prove confusing. I'll
also say this: good luck with Freelists! I used them when I helped to moderate
a BrailleNote list, and had no end of problems. Delayed delivery, random bounce
problems and auto-moderated users, total failure of a
Viviana, you’re wrong. I actually live in a community that doesn’t have 24
hour policing.
I moved there intentionally, that was a huge selling point. There are massive
swaths of country that don’t have policing available. Whether it’s the woods
like where I live or the Swamps in the south
I’m not sure moderation = good community. That’s like saying policing = a good
community and I’d dare say the folks of Ferguson or South Carolina would
disagree with that assertion.;)
You bring up a good point I’m just wondering is the tightening of the rules
going to necessarily translate in
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Hello,
I just wanted to reply to this with my thinking.
I think each list is somewhat a community in that people read the
messages every morning or whenever they can, reply and get something
out of it. You give and take when you have questions is the
See this is where I differ although I think you make very valid points and as a
side note I like your posts and automatically gave you more weight when I saw
you digitally signing messages and using strong cryptography.:)
I would say that who cares if someone curses. I in general think people
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this is me baiscally branching off, so you have to take action:
subscribing to the list.
Here's the info from my first message if it helps. It's worth saying
here that neither of the moderators know about this--I can't even get
a response from Cara,
Oh no you Dit Int!
;)
On Aug 26, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
OK, so I'm going to address the elephant in the room to which you eluded.
Cara, if you're out there, you either need to mod the list yourself, or let
it go! Cara is like a ghost on this list.
I wish there was a tutorial on how to use rules. Not a podcast though, those
are often too long with 10 minutes of explanation on what the podcast is about,
when people already know what they chose to listen to.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 26, 2015, at 7:20 AM, Scott Granados
It does say a lot that the list is in the generally healthy state it’s in now,
for sure. I like to think that’s just a kind of natural mutation resulting
from pressures on opposing sides of the moderation extreme. However, much as I
support a hands-off approach, I do feel that some of the
Freelists runs on Ecartis, a wonderful mailing list manager for its day, but
I’d agree, a rather tragic outpost of abandonware now. Hopefully Freelists
have changed whatever it was that was still broken about the latest Ecartis,
but I’ve since unhappily cut over to Mailman, which I hate with a
Hello,
I have a list question.
First, as helpful as this list has been through the years, there are times it
does disintegrate into childish arguments. How is creating another list going
to alleviate that issue?Second, does this list have a digest mowed therefore
cutting down on the traffic? I
Hi,
I wasn’t going to chime in here at all but rather see where this all
goes, but here is what i think for what it’s worth: I agree with Donna
on where this list should go. I’m not entirely sure branching off
would be the best way of doing things because it would only divide the
community
there may be another reason for transitioning from here. Google groups web
interface has been getting increasingly difficult to use over the last year or
so. SInce I am on an older mac (2007 whitebook), I have noticed some of these
issues more than most. THere is another problem with google
Hi All,
As one of the older members of this list, I want to add an emphasis on how the
filter does not really work as the replies and objections to the abuse still
keep streaming in. Meaning I have to sift through fallout emails from the
abuse, as well as replies commenting on how off topic
Good for you!
Stand in that delete power.
I believe he is on another list I am on, but since I understand that I am
the one writing the dictionary of what I will allow to define me, I read
what is relevant, and ignore the rest.
I learn so much from the majority, that it seems disrespectful of
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Set a filter for him. he's not worth your inbox space.
On 8/27/2015 2:30 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
Good for you! Stand in that delete power. I believe he is on
another list I am on, but since I understand that I am the one
writing the
.
man mailman
Go look at the man page.
Chris.
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From: Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: a new macvisionaries list
Freelists runs on Ecartis, a wonderful mailing list manager
sounds like an argument between the free-speechers and the would-be
do-gooders.
my ancestors said, Never wish for a new Tsar.
I monitor this list for my blind grandchild. While brilliant and a
talented musician, her hand disabilities make it difficult for her to
use a keyboard. ag
On
You must be talking about a different Mailman, as on my site I get:
No manual entry for mailman
Mailman 2.x, at least, stores its data in Python pickles, not SQL databases.
Although I know about a third-party command-line tool (called mailmanadmin)
which does most moderation from the shell or
, August 26, 2015 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: a new macvisionaries list
Hi,
I wasn’t going to chime in here at all but rather see where this all
goes, but here is what i think for what it’s worth: I agree with Donna
on where this list should go. I’m not entirely sure branching off
would be the best way
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Hello all:
I understand there's been a lot of mess on this list and at least two
people I know of have left--that's not counting however many vanished
without saying anything.
I believe this is a great community and I don't want to see it die off
or
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