On Thu, 2023-08-24 at 08:26 -0500, Chris Adams via mailop wrote:
(although still a "not me" link should at least signal somebody that "something
is
wrong")
Yes, this. If your service doesn't do a challenge-response verification of
email address when people sign up, then at least include a
On 2023-08-24 at 14:29 -0400, postfix--- via mailop wrote:
> (...)
> Needless to say: I will avoid restaurants using OpenTable, whether
> while visiting destinations or at home. If they cannot choose a
> service provider that is respectful of my choices, they do not
> deserve my business.
On 8/26/23 06:58, Slavko via mailop wrote:
Or people simple do not want to share own email, as it is
not related for delivery, but required by the form. Thus
they fill semi random email like string.
That's what mailinator is for, or the temporary addresses offered by
several browser plugins,
Dnia 26.08.2023 o godz. 13:58:21 Slavko via mailop pisze:
>
> Or people simple do not want to share own email, as it is
> not related for delivery, but required by the form. Thus
> they fill semi random email like string.
In many cases either the correct email address OR a phone number is needed
Dňa 26. augusta 2023 11:29:34 UTC používateľ Alessandro Vesely via mailop
napísal:
>On Fri 25/Aug/2023 23:12:56 +0200 postfix wrote:
>> users either underuse, or overconsume. In both cases they are paying more
>> than what a market without subscription would do.
>
>Aha, so that's why they tend
On Fri 25/Aug/2023 23:12:56 +0200 postfix wrote:
users either underuse, or overconsume. In both cases they are paying more than
what a market without subscription would do.
Aha, so that's why they tend to give the wrong address...
For comparison, the delivery address is wrong in rare cases,
> On 25.08.2023 at 13:29 Brotman, Alex via mailop wrote:
>
> Are you suggesting that an unsub results in a suppression? That hardly
> seems ideal. That seems to suggest I sign up for a brand's email list.
> Order some stuff, get receipt. Later unsub. Later buy again, but get no
>
On Fri 25/Aug/2023 17:36:06 +0200 Chris Adams via mailop wrote:
Once upon a time, Jaroslaw Rafa said:
Dnia 25.08.2023 o godz. 09:48:35 Chris Adams via mailop pisze:
So even for transactional messages, there's usually an account making
the purchase, or something is being delivered to an
It appears that Carsten Schiefner via mailop said:
>If the real recipient of RBC's communication you are getting instead of
>her or him would be domiciled in EU territories (-> French overseas
>departments!)
Don't hold your breath. RBC is the largest bank in Canada, and has a
substantial US
On 2023-08-25 15:55, Jay Hennigan via mailop wrote:
Subscriptions are for recurring events
Subscriptions are for monetization. Look at the speeches to investors of
Marry Barra (GM CEO) and other in the industry that is turning cars into
cellphones on wheels for hints. Gyms have discovered it
On 8/24/23 05:12, Chris Adams via mailop wrote:
What do you do when legitimate mail (lately, DoorDash order info and
Delta Airlines tickets) is sent to the wrong address? These types of
messages rarely have an unsubscribe method. I get a ton of crap to a
Gmail address that I really only use
On 2023-08-25 04:43, Carsten Schiefner via mailop wrote:
the EU's GDPR wrt. Information Security and PII Protection luckily
hands a quite sharp sword to consumers: the fines for offenders are,
well..., "fine".
If the real recipient of RBC's communication you are getting instead
of her or
Once upon a time, Jaroslaw Rafa said:
> Dnia 25.08.2023 o godz. 09:48:35 Chris Adams via mailop pisze:
> >
> > So even for transactional messages, there's usually an account making
> > the purchase, or something is being delivered to an address, or the
> > like. So a "this is not me" link
Dnia 25.08.2023 o godz. 09:48:35 Chris Adams via mailop pisze:
>
> So even for transactional messages, there's usually an account making
> the purchase, or something is being delivered to an address, or the
> like. So a "this is not me" link should be able to note that (a) don't
> send more mail
Once upon a time, Brotman, Alex said:
> Are you suggesting that an unsub results in a suppression? That hardly seems
> ideal. That seems to suggest I sign up for a brand's email list. Order some
> stuff, get receipt. Later unsub. Later buy again, but get no receipt?
> (Presuming it comes
Not a suppression, just an unexpected behavior if an unsub means all
transactional, and I'm not talking about unsub from a list, I was specifically
addressing unsub links in transactional mail and the potential unintended
impact.
Mike
From: Brotman, Alex
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2023 6:50 AM
Hi David,
On 25.08.2023 13:54, David Conrad wrote:
Even if the RBC customer were in the EU, I think the challenge would be that he
(safe guess given the email address chosen) wouldn’t know and/or be bothered to
file a complaint. Whoever he is, he provided an email address years ago and
Carsten,
Even if the RBC customer were in the EU, I think the challenge would be that he
(safe guess given the email address chosen) wouldn’t know and/or be bothered to
file a complaint. Whoever he is, he provided an email address years ago and
hasn’t noticed he’s never received anything at
Are you suggesting that an unsub results in a suppression? That hardly seems
ideal. That seems to suggest I sign up for a brand's email list. Order some
stuff, get receipt. Later unsub. Later buy again, but get no receipt?
(Presuming it comes from the same ESP)
--
Alex Brotman
Sr.
David & all -
the EU's GDPR wrt. Information Security and PII Protection luckily hands
a quite sharp sword to consumers: the fines for offenders are, well...,
"fine".
If the real recipient of RBC's communication you are getting instead of
her or him would be domiciled in EU territories (->
> On Aug 24, 2023, at 05:12, Chris Adams via mailop wrote:
>
> What do you do when legitimate mail is sent to the wrong address?
Various things:
* If it’s a valid reply-to, I reply and say “wrong person”.
* I try and find a way to contact the intended recipient.
* I try and contact the source
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 11:30:19 -0600, Anne Mitchell via mailop
wrote:
>Well, and also *confirming* the email address to start with.
Let's think about Heather, a mother of three in eastern Kansas, who signed up
a while ago for real estate topics, presumably at a co-reg site of some sort.
Cometh
If the address isn’t a “no-reply@“, I generally do the same, but more and more
I’m getting “this message is sent from an unmonitored email address, please do
not reply”.
The worst so far is Royal Bank of Canada. One of their customers used my gmail
address and I’ve been getting all sorts of
> To receive first an email requesting you to confirm your address, only to
> next receive another email from them with the actual information? That seems
> over-engineered...
How often is it only one message? I typically get 3, often 4 sometimes even 5:
we got your order
we shipped it
it
I usually reply and ask them to cancel the order/reservation. Maybe next
time the person won't be so careless writing down their email.
On 2023-08-24 07:12, Chris Adams via mailop wrote:
What do you do when legitimate mail (lately, DoorDash order info and
Delta Airlines tickets) is sent to
On 2023-08-24 09:40, Mike Hillyer via mailop wrote:
Because 99.9% of the time it is solicited
really? think again, and also the definition of transactional email.
Here is an example from OpenTable whatever that belongs to the
Booking.com horror show.
some restaurant now *require* (as in:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 at 18:43, Michael Grant via mailop
wrote:
> > (You could also try to reset the password, often sent to the registered
> > email address.)
>
> I have this issue with my gmail account. I get literally a TON of
> crap for other people who think they have my gmail account.
>
> (You could also try to reset the password, often sent to the registered
> email address.)
I have this issue with my gmail account. I get literally a TON of
crap for other people who think they have my gmail account.
Unfortunately putting the mail in spam and telling gmail to block it
but it
> On Aug 24, 2023, at 6:12 AM, Chris Adams via mailop wrote:
>
> What do you do when legitimate mail (lately, DoorDash order info and
> Delta Airlines tickets) is sent to the wrong address? These types of
> messages rarely have an unsubscribe method. I get a ton of crap to a
> Gmail address
Oh dear ghod yes.
I want to line everyone who's ever recommended noreply@ up against the wall and
[ At this point in the broadcast, Jay thought better of saying what he wanted
to
do in a posting to a public mailing list, but trust me, it was going to be very
satisfying to hear about, for
Dnia 24.08.2023 o godz. 07:12:52 Chris Adams via mailop pisze:
> What do you do when legitimate mail (lately, DoorDash order info and
> Delta Airlines tickets) is sent to the wrong address? These types of
> messages rarely have an unsubscribe method. I get a ton of crap to a
> Gmail address that
It appears that Chris Adams via mailop said:
>What do you do when legitimate mail (lately, DoorDash order info and
>Delta Airlines tickets) is sent to the wrong address?
My Gmail account gets a lot of mail for people who imagine that my
account is their account. They have names similar to mine
Because 99.9% of the time it is solicited, outside of the scenario you are
dealing with, someone engaged in an action with the vendor systems which is
triggering a notification to the user of the status of their action, and on top
of that a remote MTA is accepting that message as going to a
Once upon a time, Paul Menzel said:
> I guess it’s ignorance, and that nobody complains to them. Depending
> on your jurisdiction you can report this case to the “data privacy
> office”, and you can contact the data protection officer of the
> offending company.
I hadn't thought about trying
Once upon a time, Mike Hillyer said:
> You get a doordash status message, you decide you don't need them, you
> unsubscribe. A couple of months later you need to reset your password and now
> you never get the reset link because you unsubscribed from transactional
> messages? Sure, we can get
One more note: in my opinion transactional messages should never come from a
noreply@ but instead should route to customer support, so that cases of
mistaken identity can be resolved by replying and letting them you that the
messages are not reaching their intended recipient.
-Original
Dear Chris,
Am 24.08.23 um 14:12 schrieb Chris Adams via mailop:
What do you do when legitimate mail (lately, DoorDash order info and
Delta Airlines tickets) is sent to the wrong address? These types of
messages rarely have an unsubscribe method. I get a ton of crap to a
Gmail address that I
Adding an unsub link for truly transactional mail can result is missed messages
later on, which is why there's usually not an unsub link.
You get a doordash status message, you decide you don't need them, you
unsubscribe. A couple of months later you need to reset your password and now
you
Once upon a time, Christine Borgia said:
> Because it's not a subscription. The person is entering the email address
> where they want their order info to go, and they are entering your email.
> The onus is on that person and not the vendor.
That's a very vendor-centric look at it. When I get
> Account creations from airlines should already have a COI to begin with
when siging up for an account.
If there is an account creation involved, I agree with you. Same with
auto-subscribing for marketing. I'm speaking only with regards to
transactional messages being sent when someone enters
Hello Christine,
Because it's not a subscription. The person is entering the email
address where they want their order info to go, and
they are entering your email. The onus is on that person and not the
vendor
Not sure if i agree with that statement. In the majority of cases they
auto add
Because it's not a subscription. The person is entering the email address
where they want their order info to go, and they are entering your email.
The onus is on that person and not the vendor.
On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 8:16 AM Chris Adams via mailop
wrote:
> What do you do when legitimate mail
What do you do when legitimate mail (lately, DoorDash order info and
Delta Airlines tickets) is sent to the wrong address? These types of
messages rarely have an unsubscribe method. I get a ton of crap to a
Gmail address that I really only use for Google-related stuff (not as a
general email
43 matches
Mail list logo
