> No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of
> copyright based on the manufacture, importation, or distribution of
> a digital audio recording device, a digital audio recording medium,
> an analog recording device, or an analog recording medium, or based
> on the noncommer
On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:52:48 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> Here is the act in question http://www.hrrc.org/ahra.html
> See section 1008 which says
>
> SUBCHAPTER D. PROHIBITION ON CERTAIN INFRINGEMENT ACTIONS,
> REMEDIES, AND ARBITRATION
>
> Section 1008. Prohibition on certa
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From: Jeffrey E. Salzberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 1999 2:46 AM
Subject: Re: MD: MD Trading
>
> > Nobody is hurt if you weren't gonna buy the material anyway.
>
> Many of the CDs in my collection are of
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* "Sydtech" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Mon, 27 Dec 1999
| Pirates are what gives the record companies the cold sweats.
| True "tape traders" (or whatever the format) trade boots, NOT pirate copies
| of stuff that's available.
As I said before, I am not
Here is the act in question http://www.hrrc.org/ahra.html
See section 1008 which says
SUBCHAPTER D. PROHIBITION ON CERTAIN INFRINGEMENT ACTIONS,
REMEDIES, AND ARBITRATION
Section 1008. Prohibition on certain infringement actions
No action may be brought under this title alleging infringemen
An X-Files fan site shut down by FOX was mentioned
here. FYI, the case was won by FOX based on the
concept of "trademark dilution" (a very valid
concern), not on copyright issues per se. It had to do
with the context where copyrighted work was used, and
with the "message" that could be interprete
I have been sitting silently here reading all of the posts and
"interpretations" regarding the AHRA, copywrite, ethics and such. It has
been quite an interesting little thread. I have read some more intelligent
posts, great BS posts, and down right idiotic posts. We have not yet heard
from any
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From: goobster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: MD: MD Trading
> Let's look at reality: please cite a single case
> (documented, so we can all look it up) when law
> enforce
"Thomas, Ferris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The hurdle to winning the argument that trades are legal (and
>not infringement on copyright) would be to convincingly define a
>trade as a "noncommercial" exchange... This assumes that it is a
>product for product with neither parties coming out
>
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* goobster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Mon, 27 Dec 1999
| analog recording medium, or based on the noncommercial
| use by a consumer of such a device or medium for
"use" means use, not distribution or redistribution.
'nuff said.
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Sec. 1008. Prohibition on certain infringement actions
No action may be brought under this title alleging
infringement of copyright based on the manufacture,
importation, or distribution of a
digital audio recording device, a digital audio
recording medium, an analog recording device, or an
an
Wow, you backed me up on something (the Constitution cannot be
superseded by any law), in a sort of back-handed way, but cool! I
liked your post about free speech in the U.S.A., too. I see an
intellectual honesty I didn't expect.
To Jeff and those who share his point of view, what I described
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* "J. Coon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Mon, 27 Dec 1999
| or based on the noncommercial use by a consumer of such a device or
^^^
| medium for making digital musical recordings or analog musical
| recordings.
That one wo
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* Stainless Steel Rat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Mon, 27 Dec 1999
| All of which was superceded by the Copyright Act of 1976, better known
| internationally as the Berne Agreements, which is explicitly clear as to
| what you are allowed to copy. The AH
Yes In the words of George Clinton, formerly of Parliament
Funkadelic, who has had a hellacious time with the recording industry,
and doesn't mind one bit if you sample his incredibly creative
copyrighted works because he digs it and knows it is good
From: Magic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Trading is just the act of swapping one thing for another. The "trading"
> referred to on the newsgroup or on this list is usually of pirated
material.
> The scale of the act does not make it any more legal, it just makes it not
> worth the industries time pers
After following the thread for a little while I thought to chime in. While
I'm not a lawyer (and from what I gather, neither is anyone who's commented
on this is, either), I've done a little searching on this slow day at work.
>From the RIAA homepage (http://www.riaa.com/musicleg/ml_ol.htm):
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From: Sydtech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: MD: MD trading
>
> A small point of clarification:
>
> "Trading" traditionally refers to people *trading* (i.e. not
> | The core of United Staes copyright law is the Constitution, laid down
> | by our founding fathers. You perhaps do not understand the AHRA or
> | the United States Constitution. See below.
>
> All of which was superceded by the Copyright Act of 1976, better
> known internationally as the Be
> The converstion was both about ehtics and the law. No one is taking
> anything from anyone when you trade an MD.
It's been pointed out to you (several times) that that's *exactly*
what's happening. You're taking property from someone who hasn't
authorized you can do so.
You can rave and s
Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Copyright law is governed in the U.S.by the United States
>Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land. Statutes are
>merely congress' implementation of the constitution. There is a
>provision in the Constitution dealing explicitly with copyright law.
>I
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* Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Sun, 26 Dec 1999
| The core of United Staes copyright law is the Constitution, laid down
| by our founding fathers. You perhaps do not understand the AHRA or
| the United States Constitution. See below.
All of which
A small point of clarification:
"Trading" traditionally refers to people *trading* (i.e. not selling)
bootlegs of unreleased recordings, usually concerts but often demos, etc.
This is a lot different than "pirating", which is someone duping one (or
more) copies of a commercially available record
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* "PrinceGaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Sun, 26 Dec 1999
| wot are all those guys in the blank disc / tape factories gonna do if we
| stop buying blanks. Do you wanna put em all out of a job? You would of
| course cos I bet at least 90% of blank MDs
On 25 Dec 1999 08:48:01 -0500, in you wrote:
>You obviously feel strongly about this, but are somewhat misinformed. Take
>a look at the Berne agreements on international copyright law, which in the
>US is known as the Copyright Act of 1976, and is the core of US copyright
>law. They were not
"PrinceGaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>We're not talking about bootlegging CDs by the tens or hundreds
>of thousands, just you and a mate helping each other out.
Killing one person isn't the same as killing 1,000, but it's still a
crime, isn't it? I realize that's a complete overstatement, bu
> Nobody is hurt if you weren't gonna buy the material anyway.
Many of the CDs in my collection are of music that I decided to buy
long -- sometimes years -- after first hearing it; if a friend had
given me a bootleg copy of any of those recordimgs, I'd not have
bought it so long afterward.
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From: PrinceGaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 1999 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: MD: MD Trading
> Here in Britain we still have a decent Social Security system to ensure
almost
> everyone at least has a roof over t
From: "Stainless Steel Rat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> * "PrinceGaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Sun, 26 Dec 1999
> | By copying stuff you would never have bought I would say you are harming
> | none.
>
> If you would never have bought it in the first place, you have no legal or
> moral right to make a co
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* "PrinceGaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Sun, 26 Dec 1999
| By copying stuff you would never have bought I would say you are harming
| none.
If you would never have bought it in the first place, you have no legal or
moral right to make a copy from some
> C'mon guys, this is a MiniDisc list. We've all got minidisc stuff and I bet 99% of
>you
> have used it for unauthorised recordings. If we really want to enter the silly
>season
Unauthorized doesn't mean copying borrowed material. When you purchase a CD
in the United States, you become the
> Yes, ethics matter. But copying a friend's CD is not unethical. And
> in the United States, it's not even illegal.
You may wish to re-read the AHRA - it allows copies of works *you* have
bought, not anyone else. The idea is that it's "reasonable" to let someone
take a copy of something they'
From: "Stainless Steel Rat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> * "PrinceGaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Sun, 26 Dec 1999
> | Nobody is hurt if you weren't gonna buy the material anyway. Indeed you're
> | helping all the peeps who work for blank media manufacturers [Gaz thinks
> | this is a intenable position to
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* "PrinceGaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Sun, 26 Dec 1999
| Nobody is hurt if you weren't gonna buy the material anyway. Indeed you're
| helping all the peeps who work for blank media manufacturers [Gaz thinks
| this is a intenable position to maintain
From: "Stainless Steel Rat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> * "PrinceGaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Sat, 25 Dec 1999
> | Seems a bit of a hot cookie today, this copyright stuff. Perhaps satan
> | delivered a CD or two to some peeps for xmas and they are already
> | thinking of all the CDs their friends must
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* "PrinceGaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Sat, 25 Dec 1999
| Seems a bit of a hot cookie today, this copyright stuff. Perhaps satan
| delivered a CD or two to some peeps for xmas and they are already
| thinking of all the CDs their friends must have rec
> We're not talking about bootlegging CDs by the tens or hundreds of
> thousands, just you and a mate helping each other out.
So it's OK for me to steal your car, as long as I only drive for a
few miles?
=
Jeffrey E. Salzberg, Lighting Designer
http:
Hi all,
Seems a bit of a hot cookie today, this copyright stuff. Perhaps satan delivered a CD
or
two to some peeps for xmas and they are already thinking of all the CDs their friends
must have received and are counting their supply of blank MDs.
And why not? Copyright law sucks. Big time.
MD Trading of copies of original CDs is definitely illegal - no grey areas,
that's piracy.
Most traders on the net (including myself) trade in recordings of concerts
that someone has taped (via various sources) and then offered for swaps
or blanks and postage if the person has nothing to offer.
> Yes, ethics matter. But copying a friend's CD is not unethical.
> And in the United States, it's not even illegal.
If wanting it to be so *made* it so, you'd be right.
Distributing copies of copyrighted material without permission is,
indeed, illegal.
> You make believe
> you know it's
>
> If you choose to believe that the laws as purchased by the recording
> industry from congress represent ethics, enjoy your world
No, I'm not talking about laws at all in this case (and, by the way,
the laws that govern this predate both the recording industry and
Congress; their anteceden
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* Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Sat, 25 Dec 1999
| If you choose to believe that the laws as purchased by the recording
| industry from congress represent ethics, enjoy your world.
You obviously feel strongly about this, but are somewhat misinformed
If you choose to believe that the laws as purchased by the recording
industry from congress represent ethics, enjoy your world. The
recording industry will screw artists, consumers, and anyone else who
stands in the way of Mr. Greenback, and will use their money to make
the laws fit this purpose
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