; courses he was taking at the community college. IMO, this goes far beyond
>> simple lack of interest in "how things work." That's why I think we as a
>> nation are in trouble.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> -Original Message-
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andfrustration
I think this is especially true when it comes to our kids. They just don't
seem to have the interest in learning how things work in a lot of cases.
That's what drove me a
Products are so much more reliable today so folks don't have to tune the
vehicle a couple of times a year. I used to put new plugs in my car
spring and fall and adjust the carb etc. Don't have to do that anymore
so the younger ones have not been trained to do it. No worries - just
get in it and
Things have changed so much. I learned to drive on standard transmission
vehicles with a manual choke and no power steering etc. One had to know
a little bit about the vehicle in order to drive it. Today, everything
is pretty much automatic. Turn the key, pull it into drive and off you
go. Don'
event, the car
wasn't a factor, at least not in that sense.
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Sounds like me as a child. I would have been a poster child for the MAKE
movement.
Dan
clay monroe wrote:
>As a kid, I destroyed all the technical toys from radios, wind up cars, record
>players and anything with a battery or motor. There was a 50/50 chance I
>could get it back functional,
Scott Ritchey wrote:
One day the oil light came on and the
grandson told his mother (who promptly forgot about it) and did nothing
else. Soon thereafter the engine wouldn't run. This same genius (who
actually has a high IQ and very good SAT scores) flunked four of the four
courses he was takin
As a kid, I destroyed all the technical toys from radios, wind up cars, record
players and anything with a battery or motor. There was a 50/50 chance I could
get it back functional, but I at least found out how the thing was meant to
work. There were some things I really felt badly about killi
Today we are not allowed or supposed to take care of the car. We take it to
the dealer while it is on lease, but quickly figure out that the thing will
fall apart sooner, rather than later, so why bother? Too hard to work on
ourselves, so disincentive to get under the hood. Lifetime transmiss
"Scott Ritchey" writes:
> Cases in point: While visiting #2 step son, I discovered his tall
> grass was uncut because he couldn't start his mower. I took a look at
> it (thinking the main jet was probably gunked up) only to discover
> that the air filter was so plugged up it couldn't breath. Af
Rick Knoble writes:
> I think a big thing is extra effort needs to be put in to repair
> things that weren't designed to be repaired, they were designed to be
> disposed of. That and the fact that kids now days have plenty to keep
> them entertained, without have to resort to taking things apart
nnell
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering - Progress Report - and
frustration
But very often, not about Mercedes.
Randy
On 20/04/2012 9:38 AM, Rick Knoble wrote:
> I quit the MB diesel yahoo group for that reason. Well, more like lack of
> knowledgeable individuals. I am sur
s Discussion List
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andfrustration
I think this is especially true when it comes to our kids. They just don't
seem to have the interest in learning how things work in a lot of cases.
That's what drove me as a youngster, and s
I think a big thing is extra effort needs to be put in to repair things that
weren't designed to be repaired, they were designed to be disposed of. That and
the fact that kids now days have plenty to keep them entertained, without have
to resort to taking things apart and attempting to put them
Yes exactly.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 20, 2012, at 6:39 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
> I think this is especially true when it comes to our kids. They just don't
> seem to have the interest in learning how things work in a lot of cases.
> That's what drove me as a youngster, and still does to so
I think this is especially true when it comes to our kids. They just don't
seem to have the interest in learning how things work in a lot of cases.
That's what drove me as a youngster, and still does to some extent today.
Dan
On Apr 20, 2012, at 7:10 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
> Rick Knoble w
Rick Knoble writes:
> When I was a child, (I am in my fifties, same age as Wilton's
> daughter) things were built to be repaired. Of course a domestic
> automobile needed maintenance every few thousand miles and if
> neglected you'd be lucky to make it past 75,000 miles before it went
> to the ju
Which is why I keep my eyes open for a Chevy with a 6.2l diesel.
If I win the mega millions fuel economy won't be my problem ;)
-Curt
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 12:47:42 -0700
From: "Jerry Herrman"
To:
Subject: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering - Progress Report - and
frustra
I think that the younger generations think of cars as A-B devices, not cool
complicated mechanical marvels working magic to move you at incredible
speed. They just don;t have the interest that we do.
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 3:10 AM, Rick Knoble wrote:
> On Apr 20, 2012, at 12:47 AM, "Jerry Herrm
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On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> If I had won the mega-millions I'd have given
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> If I had won the mega-millions I'd have given you an absurd amount of money
> for your truck since I think old trucks are cool ;)
Curt, I agree with you, they are cool and I understand much about how to keep
them running. Unfortunately, the
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> If I had won the mega-millions I'd have given you an absurd amount of money
> for your truck since I think old trucks are cool ;)
Bring your checkbook down south; fly to Charleston or Savannah and you
can drive one back. They are a dime a d
But very often, not about Mercedes.
Randy
On 20/04/2012 9:38 AM, Rick Knoble wrote:
I quit the MB diesel yahoo group for that reason. Well, more like lack of
knowledgeable individuals. I am sure there are more groups, lists, and forums
like that. It may have changed since then. This partic
I quit the MB diesel yahoo group for that reason. Well, more like lack of
knowledgeable individuals. I am sure there are more groups, lists, and forums
like that. It may have changed since then. This particular email list is and
has been a fount of knowledge for many subjects, not just Mercedes.
n the mega-millions I'd have given you an absurd amount of money for
your truck since I think old trucks are cool ;)
-Curt
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:47:06 -0700
From: "Jerry Herrman"
To:
Subject: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering - Progress Report - and
On Apr 20, 2012, at 12:47 AM, "Jerry Herrman" wrote
> For example, I still do not know if this is an "interference" engine. Several
> say "yes" and several others with equal convictions say "no".
Yes. Not unequivocally, but I am almost certain if the timing chain breaks,
major work is to follo
An update for those of you who followed this saga from the beginning.
I have scoured the Internet on this subject, which has answered some questions
and led to numerous more questions.
After I found out that I could turn the eccentric on the front of the camshaft
sprocket by using a long wood do
Loose fuel pump eccentrics are a known problem on older Ford designs.
Peter
On Apr 18, 2012, at 5:56 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
Let me preface this with the comment that I have never had a 390
cid engine apart - so take this for what it is worth.
Howeve, I rebuilt a 302 Ford a few years back.
Let me preface this with the comment that I have never had a 390 cid
engine apart - so take this for what it is worth.
Howeve, I rebuilt a 302 Ford a few years back.
The fuel pump eccentric bolted onto the front of the cam was a 2 part
thing. There was an inner part and an outer part such that
Jerry Herrman originally wrote:
:
Anyone out there with experience as an engine mechanic involving an older Ford
390 engine, specifically the fuel pump?
This is on a '72 F250 I'm gonna get ready to sell. Last week when it would not
start, I disconnected the fuel line where it enters the carbure
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On Behalf Of Jerry Herrman
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:46 AM
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Subject: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering
"Scott Ritchey" wrote "
"In googling around on this, I f
"Scott Ritchey" wrote "
"In googling around on this, I found the following advice:
"One last thing, even if you are not using the mechanical fuel pump, install
the fuel pump drive anyway. It will keep the cam bolt from loosening up.
Also, the drive pin in the cam sprocket must be 1 5/8" long and
Jerry Herrman wrote:
I may try the "dowel insertion" this week when I get some time.
Does anyone know if the eccentric can be in place, but not turn?
Having seen the pics, I don't think Jerry is doing it wrong. Especially since a
glob of grease on the friction side of the lever gets disturbed
loose.
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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Jerry Herrman
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:36 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering
Thanks to MG , : Curt Raymond
, and Dan Penoff for your
contributio
In googling around on this, I found the following advice:
"One last thing, even if you are not using the mechanical fuel pump, install
the fuel pump drive anyway. It will keep the cam bolt from loosening up.
Also, the drive pin in the cam sprocket must be 1 5/8" long and made from
chrome moly stee
I don't recall the engine, but I believe that the eccentric on most inline 6
cylinder Fords was a part of the cam, and not a separate bit that bolted on. I
came in late on this, so if you have a different engine, please disregard.
On V8s it was this cheesy sort of "cup" that bolts to the cam.
Thanks to MG , : Curt Raymond
, and Dan Penoff for your contributions to this discussion.
I am taking the liberty of sending each of you a couple of pictures. I think
they will show that the pump cannot be put on upside down.
I may try the "dowel insertion" this week when I get some time.
Do
> again, I am quite confident of that. :-)
>
> Manfred
>
> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 22:25:28 -0500
> From: Peter Frederick
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering
>
> I would NOT start the engine until you find out what the deal is with
> the pump. That is an interfe
Comments on suggestions from the M-B list
I ("Jerry Herrman" ) wrote:
"Also puzzling is that whatever is wrong happened between the time the
> engine was last shut down and yesterday. Seems unlikely to have
> something happen while it is just sitting there not running."
Allan Streib wrote in
er make that mistake again.
>
> Can you install it upside down, is it even possible?
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 12:21:55 -0400
> From: Mitch Haley
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering
> Message-ID: <4f8af5a3.6080...@v
is it even possible?
-Curt
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 12:21:55 -0400
From: Mitch Haley
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Allan Streib wrote:
&g
done.
Right?
Just a stray though. I may be wrong though. Have been and no
doubt will be again, I am quite confident of that. :-)
Manfred
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 22:25:28 -0500
From: Peter Frederick
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering
I would NOT start the engine until you find out
Allan Streib wrote:
I agree. Simple explanations the best, the pump is not engaging the cam
properly when installed.
Which doesn't quite explain the fact that the original quit pumping.
So we have:
1. Original pump weak, new pump improperly installed.
2. Original pump was temporarily stuck
"Jerry Herrman" writes:
> Also puzzling is that whatever is wrong happened between the time the
> engine was last shut down and yesterday. Seems unlikely to have
> something happen while it is just sitting there not running.
I agree. Simple explanations the best, the pump is not engaging the ca
Thanks G Mann for taking the time to consider this problem
and respond.
I believe I have eliminated a problem with the fuel source by hooking up,
temporarily, an electric fuel pump to the carb. No problems noted there.
Although both the old and new pumps work manually off the engine, neither wil
A short question.
1. Does the truck have dual tanks? If it does, it's likely the tank
selector valve has stopped "between tanks" and blocked the flow of fuel to
the pump.
This is a known issue with Ford trucks with dual tanks after they get "old
".
Another fuel delivery issue is the pickup scree
I would NOT start the engine until you find out what the deal is with
the pump. That is an interference engine -- if the cam timing has
jumped, you bend the valves.
Peter
On Apr 14, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Jerry Herrman wrote:
HI,
I want to thank all of you who responded to this dilemma.. I w
HI,
I want to thank all of you who responded to this dilemma.. I want to address
some of the issues that were brought up.
1. Fred Moir wrote:
"When installing a pump the arm must be tilted up whilst being inserted
before being bolted down.
I suppose that the chain sprocket could have come l
the pumps on the engine
with the line to the carb disconnected? I'm thinking the line might
be plugged or the carb needle valve is plugged.
Manfred
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:07:45 -0700
From: "Jerry Herrman"
Subject: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering
Anyone out there with
-0700
From: "Jerry Herrman"
Subject: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering
Anyone out there with experience as an engine mechanic involving
an older Ford 390 engine, specifically the fuel pump?
This is on a '72 F250 I'm gonna get ready to sell. Last week when
it would not start, I d
To update:
I wrote:
Anyone out there with experience as an engine mechanic involving an older Ford
390 engine, specifically the fuel pump?
This is on a '72 F250 I'm gonna get ready to sell. Last week when it would not
start, I disconnected the fuel line where it enters the carburetor and foun
am clog, it may be easier to add an electric
pump vs
tearing into the motor.
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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-
boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Jerry Herrman
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:08 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Fu
Jerry, et al.
Check fuel availability at the delivery tube. (Suck on it, or use a
MightVac or equivalent).
The fuel pump on an old Ford is operated by an offset round disc pegged
to the front of the cam.
It is possible that the old pump was just stuck in the "up" position
until you removed it.
vs
tearing into the motor.
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boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Jerry Herrman
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:08 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering
Anyone out there with exp
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:08 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Fuel Pump Not Delivering
Anyone out there with experience as an engine mechanic involving an older
Ford 390 engine, specifically the fuel pump?
This is on a '72 F250 I'm gonna get ready to sell. Last week when it
I know nothing of that engine, but the chain is probably slack because
it has been sitting a while without oil pressure and the tensioner
relaxed. I wouldn't think this would prevent operation of the fuel
pump, or if it does it would seem to be a significant oversight in the
design.
Allan
"Jerr
Anyone out there with experience as an engine mechanic involving an older Ford
390 engine, specifically the fuel pump?
This is on a '72 F250 I'm gonna get ready to sell. Last week when it would not
start, I disconnected the fuel line where it enters the carburetor and found
that the (mechanic
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