Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-23 Thread Siegbert Marschall
> On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 07:43:05PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 03:01:40PM +0100, Marc Espie wrote: >> > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 04:18:42PM +0100, Miod Vallat wrote: >> > > >> SO now do you want FireEngine? Or rather SMPng networking? Or >> > > >> would you like ReallyHyp

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-22 Thread Miod Vallat
> > > Nonsense, as long as you can plug in some plutonium, things should be > > > fine. > > > > Are you tellin' me this sucker is nuclear? > > ...Mr. Fusion? ;) Not until there's a Chorus about it. Miod

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-22 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 07:43:05PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote: > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 03:01:40PM +0100, Marc Espie wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 04:18:42PM +0100, Miod Vallat wrote: > > > >> SO now do you want FireEngine? Or rather SMPng networking? Or > > > >> would you like ReallyHyperFast

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-22 Thread Unix Fan
Jacob Meuser wrote: > Marc Espie wrote: > > Nonsense, as long as you can plug in some plutonium, things should be > > fine. > > Are you tellin' me this sucker is nuclear? ...Mr. Fusion? ;) -Nix Fan.

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-22 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 03:01:40PM +0100, Marc Espie wrote: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 04:18:42PM +0100, Miod Vallat wrote: > > >> SO now do you want FireEngine? Or rather SMPng networking? Or > > >> would you like ReallyHyperFastZoomStreamCyberWoosh? > > > >Now that you've brought it up, I would r

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-22 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 04:18:42PM +0100, Miod Vallat wrote: > >> SO now do you want FireEngine? Or rather SMPng networking? Or > >> would you like ReallyHyperFastZoomStreamCyberWoosh? > >Now that you've brought it up, I would really like a > >ReallyHyperFastZoomStreamCyberWoosh TCP stack. Just m

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-21 Thread Miod Vallat
SO now do you want FireEngine? Or rather SMPng networking? Or would you like ReallyHyperFastZoomStreamCyberWoosh? Now that you've brought it up, I would really like a ReallyHyperFastZoomStreamCyberWoosh TCP stack. Just make sure it doesn't require 1.2Jigawatts of power and have interesting si

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-21 Thread bofh
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 8:52 AM, knitti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > SO now do you want FireEngine? Or rather SMPng networking? Or > would you like ReallyHyperFastZoomStreamCyberWoosh? Now that you've brought it up, I would really like a ReallyHyperFastZoomStreamCyberWoosh TCP stack. Just make

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-21 Thread knitti
On 2/19/08, Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > something as good as FireEngine, I'm following this thread with quite some amusement, but one thing is not in the least clear to me: why do you think you want "something as good as FireEngine". Heck, even under the assumption FireEngine is R

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-21 Thread Rod Whitworth
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:15:41 +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: >On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 1:05 PM, ropers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 20/02/2008, Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > On Feb 20, 2008 4:58 PM, Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > * Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-20 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 1:05 PM, ropers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 20/02/2008, Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Feb 20, 2008 4:58 PM, Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > * Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-02-17 13:38]: > > > > Wouldn't it be nice to hav

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-20 Thread ropers
On 20/02/2008, Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 20, 2008 4:58 PM, Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > * Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-02-17 13:38]: > > > Wouldn't it be nice to have a high performance networking stack? > > > > yeah. > > guess what we have

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-20 Thread chefren
On 02/20/08 15:00, Marco Peereboom wrote: > On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 02:14:31PM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote: >>> But that >100 year old technology used to be DC earlier, then it was >>> converted to AC because of its inherent benefits. Marketing blurb. >> way over a hundred years ago, yes (except

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-20 Thread Fergus Wilde
On Wednesday 20 February 2008 13:14, Henning Brauer wrote: > * Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-02-20 14:07]: > > On Feb 20, 2008 5:52 PM, Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > * Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-02-20 13:12]: > > > > On Feb 20, 2008 4:58 PM, Henning Brauer

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-20 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 02:14:31PM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote: > > But that >100 year old technology used to be DC earlier, then it was > > converted to AC because of its inherent benefits. > > way over a hundred years ago, yes (except for some small irrelevant > isles like parts of new york if

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-20 Thread Joel Sing
On Wednesday 20 February 2008, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > isn't your computer running on >>100 years old technology called > > "electricity"? > > But that >100 year old technology used to be DC earlier, then it was > converted to AC because of its inherent benefits. > Similarly, wouldn't it have bee

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-20 Thread Janne Johansson
Henning Brauer wrote: * Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-02-20 14:07]: (not that now I can do anything about it, all's lost for me) Could you please read http://research.sun.com/minds/2007-0710/ yeah, i did, lots of marketing blubber, lots of bla bla, lots of vague indications, nothin

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-20 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2008/02/20 14:14, Henning Brauer wrote: > * Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-02-20 14:07]: > > On Feb 20, 2008 5:52 PM, Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > isn't your computer running on >>100 years old technology called > > > "electricity"? > > But that >100 year old technol

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-20 Thread Henning Brauer
* Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-02-20 14:07]: > On Feb 20, 2008 5:52 PM, Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > * Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-02-20 13:12]: > > > On Feb 20, 2008 4:58 PM, Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > * Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-20 Thread Jordi Espasa Clofent
Touchi! -- Thanks, Jordi Espasa Clofent

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-20 Thread Pau Amaro-Seoane
could you please stop this shit and continue the conversation privately? People registered at misc know well why they are using obsd. We don't need this discussion. 2008/2/20, Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > * Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-02-20 13:12]: > > > On Feb 20, 2008 4:58

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-20 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Feb 20, 2008 5:52 PM, Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-02-20 13:12]: > > > On Feb 20, 2008 4:58 PM, Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > * Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-02-17 13:38]: > > > > Wouldn't it be nice to have a

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-20 Thread Henning Brauer
* Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-02-20 13:12]: > On Feb 20, 2008 4:58 PM, Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > * Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-02-17 13:38]: > > > Wouldn't it be nice to have a high performance networking stack? > > > > yeah. > > guess what we have? > >

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-20 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Feb 20, 2008 4:58 PM, Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-02-17 13:38]: > > Wouldn't it be nice to have a high performance networking stack? > > yeah. > guess what we have? > exactly that. > (which doesn't mean it could be even faster) Pardon i

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-20 Thread Henning Brauer
* Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-02-17 13:38]: > Wouldn't it be nice to have a high performance networking stack? yeah. guess what we have? exactly that. (which doesn't mean it could be even faster) -- Henning Brauer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] BS Web Services, http://bsws.de

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-20 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:11:34 +0530 "Mayuresh Kathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 20, 2008 12:52 PM, Duncan Patton a Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:47:54 +0530 > > "Mayuresh Kathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 20, 2008 2:59 AM, Ted Unangst <[EMA

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-20 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Feb 20, 2008 12:52 PM, Duncan Patton a Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:47:54 +0530 > "Mayuresh Kathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 20, 2008 2:59 AM, Ted Unangst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 19, 2008 4:50 AM, Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-19 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:47:54 +0530 "Mayuresh Kathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 20, 2008 2:59 AM, Ted Unangst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Feb 19, 2008 4:50 AM, Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > That's the reason I've been gathering good C developers, so that they > > >

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-19 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Feb 20, 2008 2:59 AM, Ted Unangst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 19, 2008 4:50 AM, Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's the reason I've been gathering good C developers, so that they > > could either; > > 1. take up complex projects like FireEngine/DTrace, > > 2. write repla

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-19 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 11:39:50AM +0100, Zbigniew Baniewski wrote: > On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 09:07:50AM +0100, Alexander Hall wrote: > > > The suggestion about installing packages into / is fine if > > stated as a suggestion and/or question. I do not agree, but still I > > think the question is

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-19 Thread Ted Unangst
On Feb 19, 2008 4:50 AM, Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's the reason I've been gathering good C developers, so that they > could either; > 1. take up complex projects like FireEngine/DTrace, > 2. write replacements for as many GNU tools/utilities as possible, > 3. be a landing sta

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-19 Thread Gilles Chehade
s have feeling now? > > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On Behalf Of Zbigniew Baniewski >> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 8:20 AM >> To: misc@openbsd.org >> Subject: Re: What is our ultimate goal?? >>

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-19 Thread Tony Abernethy
Zbigniew Baniewski wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 12:52:35AM -0600, Tony Abernethy wrote: > > > I may be an oaf, but it is with FULL REALIZATION THAT I AM > SENDING THIS TO > > THE LIST > > > > MY PURPOSE IN DOING SO IS TO PAINT YOU WITH SOMEHTING > RESEMBLING YOUR TRUE > > COLORS. > > Is

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-19 Thread Tony Abernethy
Zbigniew Baniewski wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 08:37:33AM -0600, Tony Abernethy wrote: > > > You mean that the proponents of threads are overyly emotional? > > If the sides are calling each other with terms like "idiot" - > or something > similar - do you really find it as non-emotional?

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-19 Thread Zbigniew Baniewski
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 08:42:13AM -0600, Tony Abernethy wrote: > If you mean it is now my private property, then I am free to do with it as I > please. > Otherwise, if it should be kept private, maybe it should be kept private. > > Why should a discussion of threads be souch an emotional one? >

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-19 Thread Tony Abernethy
; From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Zbigniew Baniewski > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 8:20 AM > To: misc@openbsd.org > Subject: Re: What is our ultimate goal?? > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 08:12:46AM -0600, Tony Abernethy wrote: > > > Fair N

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-19 Thread Tony Abernethy
rg > Subject: Re: What is our ultimate goal?? > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 12:52:35AM -0600, Tony Abernethy wrote: > > > I may be an oaf, but it is with FULL REALIZATION THAT I AM > SENDING THIS TO > > THE LIST > > > > MY PURPOSE IN DOING SO IS TO PAINT YOU WI

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-19 Thread Zbigniew Baniewski
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 08:12:46AM -0600, Tony Abernethy wrote: > Fair No. > It is like dead fish after 4 days. > Actually, what was "private" in that message? You don't have to wonder, what. Any correspondence, which hasn't been sent to the public, is private - and needs the agreement of the pa

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-19 Thread Zbigniew Baniewski
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 12:52:35AM -0600, Tony Abernethy wrote: > I may be an oaf, but it is with FULL REALIZATION THAT I AM SENDING THIS TO > THE LIST > > MY PURPOSE IN DOING SO IS TO PAINT YOU WITH SOMEHTING RESEMBLING YOUR TRUE > COLORS. Is it fair? Some day, someone other will forward _your_

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-19 Thread raven
Mayuresh Kathe ha scritto: On Feb 19, 2008 5:16 PM, Duncan Patton a Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:33:12 +0530 "Mayuresh Kathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It just led me to ponder, what is OpenBSD's ultimate goal? What, exactly, is yours? My u

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-19 Thread raven
William Boshuck ha scritto: On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 10:16:08AM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: ... I've NEVER got any of the code for FREE, Yes, you did. The code is free. The CDs are not. Maybe Mr.Mayuresh Kathe, dont know anoncvs[1]. By a 4.2 release, we can download a bootable

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-19 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Feb 19, 2008 5:16 PM, Duncan Patton a Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:33:12 +0530 > "Mayuresh Kathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It just led me to ponder, what is OpenBSD's ultimate goal? > > What, exactly, is yours? My ultimate goal is to have an OS which woul

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-19 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell
On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:33:12 +0530 "Mayuresh Kathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It just led me to ponder, what is OpenBSD's ultimate goal? What, exactly, is yours? I've read thru this thread and you are remarkably obscure about your intentions, but it seems to me that OBSD somehow does not f

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-19 Thread Zbigniew Baniewski
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 09:07:50AM +0100, Alexander Hall wrote: > The suggestion about installing packages into / is fine if > stated as a suggestion and/or question. I do not agree, but still I > think the question is valid. However, adding "It doesn't need any > funding to fix this." makes it

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-19 Thread Tony Abernethy
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 2:41 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: What is our ultimate goal?? > > You claim that the thread is already polluted far beyond your feeble > efforts to further such. > So you agree that you are polluting the l

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-19 Thread Alexander Hall
Zbigniew Baniewski wrote: On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 12:42:38AM +0100, Marc Espie wrote: You're an idiot. [..] Think about it. Idiots don't think. If you didn't knew it - you're even bigger idiot, than I am. Oh, but they do! They are just not very successful. ;-) The suggestion about ins

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Tony Abernethy
correspondences. > -Original Message- > From: Mayuresh Kathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:56 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: What is our ultimate goal?? > > Tony, you are really weird, stop polluting the mailing list with all >

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Tony Abernethy
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:46 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: What is our ultimate goal?? > > You are an Oaf, you don't realise that you are sending all these > useless emails to the list where its not needed, while *I* on the > other hand have been only

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Tony Abernethy
sentences you seem to like. > -Original Message- > From: Mayuresh Kathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:31 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: What is our ultimate goal?? > > There you go again, disconnected from reality. > Pleas

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Tony Abernethy
I think therefore I am. I think you are a billy goat, therefore you are. > -Original Message- > From: Mayuresh Kathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:31 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: What is our ultimate goal?? > &g

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Tony Abernethy
Dead billy goat or dead nanny goat? which are you? > -Original Message- > From: Mayuresh Kathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:26 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: What is our ultimate goal?? > > Are you as weird as your w

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Tony Abernethy
an entertaining diversion. > -Original Message- > From: Mayuresh Kathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 10:18 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: What is our ultimate goal?? > > Your logic is flawed. > So is your ability to understand

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Tony Abernethy
Mayuresh Kathe > On Feb 17, 2008 5:50 PM, Tony Abernethy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > > > > > OpenBSD is an OS with amazing security and stability, but > it has too > > > few modern features. > > > > > H related? > > thats exactly my point, our mindset has be

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread William Boshuck
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 10:16:08AM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > ... I've NEVER got any of the code for FREE, Yes, you did. The code is free. The CDs are not.

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread William Boshuck
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 10:11:32AM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > ... why don't you and rest of the team, led by Theo take a > concious decision to stop downloads? OpenBSD is introduced (e.g., on the main web page) by three, adjectives. It might be worthwhile to grasp the first of those befor

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Marc Espie
On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 03:10:12PM +0100, Zbigniew Baniewski wrote: > > I noticed, that default path, where software from binary pkg and "ports" > gets unpacked, is /usr/local hierarchy - unfortunately, it's also the > "traditional" default of every individual source *.tar.gz package - such

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Marc Espie
On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 10:12:09AM -0500, David Higgs wrote: > Does the -B option to pkg_add do exactly this? Or YOU could do the > equivalent and tell ./configure to install to a different base > directory. This doesn't need any funding either. Nope, -B is mostly for chroot and flashdist-like i

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Zbigniew Baniewski
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 12:42:38AM +0100, Marc Espie wrote: > You're an idiot. > [..] > Think about it. Idiots don't think. If you didn't knew it - you're even bigger idiot, than I am. Thanks for conversation. -- pozdrawiam / regards

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Marc Espie
On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 02:31:13PM +0100, Zbigniew Baniewski wrote: > On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 01:07:06PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > > By this, I mean, developers *are* working on improving the features > > currently offered by OpenBSD. In general people work on things which > > they will f

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread ropers
> On Feb 17, 2008 11:23 PM, Marco Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You are talking about nebulous features that are over hyped and > > under proven. One needs a problem first before fixing it. You are > > putting it the wrong way around by saying "hey I'd like a super duper > > faster tcp

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread openbsd misc
> -Urspr|ngliche Nachricht- > Von: David Higgs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. Februar 2008 16:54 > An: openbsd misc > Cc: OpenBSD-Misc > Betreff: Re: What is our ultimate goal?? > > On Feb 17, 2008 7:36 AM, openbsd misc > <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Jussi Peltola
If there were no downloads, there would be less users who donate. I'd dare to claim some people have just downloaded and donated instead of buying the CD - in my case it makes sense since I can afford very little and the production of CDs would eat some of that little. I miss the stickers, though.

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Gordon Grieder
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 10:11:32AM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > I for one buy CDs every year, year after year. > > Best, > > ~Mayuresh The CD sets you buy must be different than the ones I buy; mine don't come with a ballot for voting on features. Please proxy vote for me and check "[ ] Mo

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Kenneth R Westerback
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 10:11:32AM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > > Also, we don't get to use his code for FREE, I suppose most of the > > > users *buy* CD sets. > > > > If only they did. A miniscule percentage of the user community buys > > CD's, and the sales are dropping. The vast majority of

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Marco Peereboom
Not lies; we have a 5000 emails thread to prove that. On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 07:35:55AM +0059, Han Boetes wrote: > Lies > > chefren wrote: > > ... Richard Stallman stopped [coding] doing so long time ago... > > > B) Richard Stallman puts users first, =like you!=, Richard Stallman > >=believ

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread John Nietzsche
Hey folks, i have been writing software about 6 year since i "finnished" my university course. OpenBSD has always been impressive to my eyes. Since correctness/security is "conditio sine qua non", i disagree as a group of developer has it as goal. Goal should be performance, portability usability.

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
What shit are you talking about? On Feb 18, 2008 2:01 PM, System Administrator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 18 Feb 2008 at 10:16, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > > On Feb 18, 2008 7:57 AM, Leonardo Rodrigues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > Actually what Ted has done was utterly disastrous, h

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread Gregory Edigarov
Come on guys, calm down, just stay what you are currently. Just do your job. Make OpenBSD the best router/firewall/server OS ever, you have the right features for that now, and I hope you will extend it in the nearest future. And do not listen to those trolls. Thank you all for what you do gu

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-18 Thread System Administrator
On 18 Feb 2008 at 10:16, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > On Feb 18, 2008 7:57 AM, Leonardo Rodrigues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Actually what Ted has done was utterly disastrous, he knows his > own > > > code well enough to have completed it. > > > BTW, you are as big an oaf as Richard Stallman, y

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Feb 18, 2008 1:55 AM, Marc Balmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > > think a generally usable 64/128 bit file system, > > you have that much porn that you need a 128bit fs? Ya I do :)

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Zbigniew Baniewski
On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 10:20:22PM -0500, System Administrator wrote: > To the majority on this list -- my apologies if I end up feeding this > troll instead of making him 'go away'. to the OP -- this is why you got > absolutely NO answer from the devs. and now for the archives in the > hopes t

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Leonardo Rodrigues
> Leonardo, I've NEVER got any of the code for FREE, I've always paid > for it by buying CDs, unlike you who might have done an FTP install, > you're a cheap-skate aren't you. > Go buy yourself a CD set, contribute to the OpenBSD foundation, or > better still, since you are talking about flying pig

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Feb 18, 2008 7:57 AM, Leonardo Rodrigues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually what Ted has done was utterly disastrous, he knows his own > > code well enough to have completed it. > > BTW, you are as big an oaf as Richard Stallman, you keep ranting about > > how you've put in your blood, swea

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Han Boetes
Lies chefren wrote: > ... Richard Stallman stopped [coding] doing so long time ago... > B) Richard Stallman puts users first, =like you!=, Richard Stallman >=believes= users are more important than coders so coders should be >enslaved by the users. Which is plain STUPID since without code

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Feb 18, 2008 2:22 AM, raven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mayuresh Kathe ha scritto: > > Raven, learn to write understandable English first, then try to reply > > to my mails. > > > > > I will try, thanks for a suggestion, english not is my mother tongue. > But, you still dumb. English isn't my

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Feb 18, 2008 2:25 AM, Kenneth R Westerback <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 12:23:44AM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > > On Feb 17, 2008 11:23 PM, Marco Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Let me take a stab of responding to this... > > > > Thanks for responding... >

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Feb 18, 2008 1:52 AM, Jason Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 17, 2008, at 2:58 PM, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > > On Feb 18, 2008 1:16 AM, David Higgs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Feb 17, 2008 1:53 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> wrote: > >>> Its good to know that Ted did

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread System Administrator
To the majority on this list -- my apologies if I end up feeding this troll instead of making him 'go away'. to the OP -- this is why you got absolutely NO answer from the devs. and now for the archives in the hopes that at least some of the future would be posters will research before posting.

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Leonardo Rodrigues
> Actually what Ted has done was utterly disastrous, he knows his own > code well enough to have completed it. > BTW, you are as big an oaf as Richard Stallman, you keep ranting about > how you've put in your blood, sweat and tears, but forget to > understand the point that without us users you are

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Siegbert Marschall
> If all our users bought a CD set there would be a *lot* more > development going on by dedicated/paid developers. If corporations > needing paperwork to donate would contact www.openbsdfoundation.org > and donate there would be a lot more development going on. And if pigs > could code as well as

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Siegbert Marschall
Hi, > It gets stranger. > How is a bare bones code ever going to be useful to a non developing user? > Its useful to them only when its part of an overall system. > And that overall system in a really usable state is only available via > CDs which need to be purchased. aehm, hello ? I do buy the c

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread raven
Jussi Peltola ha scritto: For each message in this thread that I consider insulting (10 so far), I will donate 1 euro to OpenBSD to compensate for lost developer time reading such messages. Being a student my budget can't take more, but at least I try to be grateful. Keep up the good work making

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread raven
Zbigniew Baniewski ha scritto: On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 09:52:34PM +0100, raven wrote: Raven, learn to write understandable English first, then try to reply to my mails. I will try, thanks for a suggestion, english not is my mother tongue. But, you still dumb. I can see seve

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Jussi Peltola
For each message in this thread that I consider insulting (10 so far), I will donate 1 euro to OpenBSD to compensate for lost developer time reading such messages. Being a student my budget can't take more, but at least I try to be grateful. Keep up the good work making an OS that is only fixed wh

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Joe Cook
- Original Message - From: "Mayuresh Kathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "OpenBSD-Misc" Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:49 AM Subject: Re: What is our ultimate goal?? On Feb 18, 2008 1:04 AM, Marco Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 20

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread John Alan Shirley
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 01:19:55AM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > So what you are saying is that what the god father of BSD file systems > (Marshal Kirk McKusik) is doing is wrong? Last year i went to a 2 day kernel internals tutorial run by Kirk MsKusik and he was more than aware

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Edd Barrett
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 01:19:55AM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > That's why I called you an idiot. > The project is not a research project, but a real live production > grade code working under Solaris 10. There is a saying "horses for courses". It means use something fit for the job. You don't

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread chefren
On 2/17/08 10:14 PM, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: BTW, you are as big an oaf as Richard Stallman, you keep ranting about how you've put in your blood, sweat and tears, but forget to understand the point that without us users you are nothing. Ehhh... 2 Big Mistakes... A) Marco does code, as far as I

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread chefren
On 2/17/08 8:04 PM, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: I'm not belittling the developers, You do. They =give= software to you, for free, and you say it's not good enough. The only reason I reply is that in general your posts are refreshing but on this you are plain wrong. > just that I really got irrit

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Zbigniew Baniewski
On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 09:52:34PM +0100, raven wrote: > >Raven, learn to write understandable English first, then try to reply > >to my mails. > > > > > I will try, thanks for a suggestion, english not is my mother tongue. > But, you still dumb. I can see several _public_ answers to _quite pri

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread David Higgs
On Feb 17, 2008 2:49 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not telling Ted what to do at all, you're just assuming it in your > blind fury over me coming out with the truth that most of *your* > coding effort is directly or indirectly supported by non-developer > users who do so by bu

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Claudio Jeker
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 01:19:55AM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > On Feb 18, 2008 1:04 AM, Marco Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 12:23:44AM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > > Its good to know that Ted did indeed try to scratch an itch of his and > > > laid down some

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 01:19:55AM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > I'm not telling Ted what to do at all, you're just assuming it in your > blind fury over me coming out with the truth that most of *your* > coding effort is directly or indirectly supported by non-developer > users who do so by buyin

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Zbigniew Baniewski
On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 10:31:00PM +0100, chefren wrote: > Hm, should be the way you try to contact them, You mean, a question like: "Hallo, looking for a contact to *** ***, OpenBSD developer - is this e-mail address a valid contact?" isn't quite proper way? -- p

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread chefren
On 2/17/08 3:13 PM, Zbigniew Baniewski wrote: On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 03:53:52PM +0200, Michael Dexter wrote: Are they willing to take a suggestions from the users side? Ask them. During last 3 weeks I tried to contact 3 (yes, three) devs. None of them responded even with "get lost". Hm, s

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Feb 18, 2008 1:04 AM, Marco Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 12:23:44AM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > Its good to know that Ted did indeed try to scratch an itch of his and > > laid down some ground work for future developers to take it beyond its > > basic level

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Kenneth R Westerback
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 12:23:44AM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > On Feb 17, 2008 11:23 PM, Marco Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Let me take a stab of responding to this... > > Thanks for responding... > > > On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 05:33:12PM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > > Hi, > > >

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread raven
Mayuresh Kathe ha scritto: Raven, learn to write understandable English first, then try to reply to my mails. I will try, thanks for a suggestion, english not is my mother tongue. But, you still dumb. ~Mayuresh Francesco

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Feb 18, 2008 1:23 AM, Todd Alan Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Its good to know that Ted did indeed try to scratch an itch of his and > > laid down some ground work for future developers to take it beyond its > > basic level. > > But, it would have been *nicer* if Ted had put in some mor

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread David Higgs
On Feb 17, 2008 2:58 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 18, 2008 1:16 AM, David Higgs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Feb 17, 2008 1:53 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > His code is free to anyone that wants it for free. Do you not > > understand how the BSD l

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