Considering each buffer is 4K , one 100MB
message will require 20,000 buffers
How many messages are you expecting?, how
long will they remain on the queue?, how many other queues use the same buffer
pool?, what is their usage?
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Another problem w/ triggering on depth is,
if the job abends and the qdepth is not below the trigger depth you can not
reset the trigger.
That means you need an application
person to fix the abend and manually restart the job, and a MQ admin to
reset the trigger.
We had the same issue and decided
Try looking at the instructions in the
manual for the latest CICS XML parser
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We have a queue that is defined to trigger on a depth of 10 messages.
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We have a queue that is defined to trigger
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We have a queue that is defined to trigger on a depth of 10 messages.
When 10 messages are placed we see the trigger control set
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are up the next
morning, the GET_ENABLE job opens up the bridge queues, and the OTMA safely
pulls the messages. This happens every day automatically and we never have to
deal with DLQ messages for this reason.
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We have a 'home grown' DLQ handler that
will write a report record for each DLQ message, with the pertinent header
information. We once ran into the problem of the messages on the DLQ expiring
before we could determine what they were and why they were on the queue. This
can be kicked off
We have an application with a client
connection to a UNIX MQ server sending messages to MVS. The messages are PUT
using the QAlias of a remote queue which has the remoteqname and
remoteqmanager name, so the Xmitq used is resolved by the
remoteqmanagername.
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The message did not have a
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We
, but the MVS system
does have the tables, so it works?
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That isn't it.
The MQMD_FORMAT was MQSTR.
W/o that the MQGET
These are usually undocumented because by
the time you figure it out, IBM has changed it.
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Questions on the role of the BSDS and logs
on z/OS with persistent messages:
Initial state: WMQ for Z/OS V5.3. Qmanager
remains running 24x7 for 2 week periods, then is down for MVS maintenance for
8 hours, then back up 24x7 for 2 weeks.
Case: A persistent message arrives on
a queue immediately
33 of the messages could have been expired.
The message count will reflect expired messages even though you will not
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why would you want to complicate life with
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With a shared queue and GET reply by
correlid there is a chance that messages could be orphaned on the queue if the
receiving application GETWAIT interval is too short. The problem becomes
determining what is too short, or too long, since a waiting process could be
holding other resources.
But
You really have to use one of the CICS
performance manager products to analyze what is going on in the CICS region.
Determine where each transaction is coming from and what it is doing.
WMQ by itself does not directly affect CICS, especially if the WMQ calls are
made through a batch program.
Look
I can't see a tremendous use for it, but
when new features are needed for a release I can see this being an easy
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across a controlled shutdown of a distributed qmanager.
It appears that during a qmanager quiese it
will write the message to the log, but not otherwise.
So there will be no persistent
message overhead normally; only during a
We have an application getting a MQGET
reason code 2119 (X'847') MQRC-NOT-CONVERTED.
The sending application is an NT client to
a QMGR on a SUN UNIX box. The receiver is a MVS CICS application.The
MQMD encoding is X'111' (273) and the codecharactersetid is X'1B5
(437). The MQMD-FORMAT is MQSTR.
Yes, it is set to MQCCSI_Q_MGR
(=X'311') prior to the MQGET.
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If you can't get is published as a redbook,
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We didn't have any problems.
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Hello all. We are going to be
IBM is continuing support of CICS/TS 1.3
into 2006. Is your company making a big effort to move to TS 2.2?
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Randy has a good idea, but it would work
best w/ a WMQ literate automation package ( we use BMC AutoOperator)
AO would have a script to monitor a queue
for a message. Since AO is always running, the queue would always be
monitored. The message arrival on the SUN box would send a COA report
What we really need is a (Paperless
Personal Pocket Pal) with IANRCC (Instant Acronym and Name
Recognition and Conversion Capabilities) that will store PDF
(Product Description and Features) white papers, NOC (New and Old
Comparison) charts, WYSM ( Why You Should Migrate) summaries,
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Does anyone know how WMQ will 'wake up' the
application?
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the program indicated in the
Process definition (point #4).
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Depending on your automation package you
can issue an ALTER directly or have it submit a job to execute a program to
submit thecommand.
Since messaging is time-independent the
specified time need some built in slack.
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Have your automation package submit a
job executing CSQUTIL with an ALTER command. Since WMQ is time
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have been doing this for a couple of months without any problems.
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Depends on your syncpoint option.
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If a single active CICS task gets and
put1's
Don't count on it.
I'm still upset at IBM for not
separating CICS CEMT INQ security from CEMT SET security, and both
products are out of Hursley.
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YUP. I have it printing to GDG right now.
My problem is in my case the data
on the queue is in ASCII and is unreadable in the printed format:
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White collar workers do not generally produce a tangible product that can
be bought by emerging markets. Moving help desk activities overseas does
not
create a larger market of people buying help desk services.
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Does the information in those '
repositories' have to be persistent? Once the Qmgr has been recycled
does MQ care what was there before?
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Try to find a copy of the V1.2
MQ Tech Reference. Maybe on the IBM web site. The first 40 pages
had the best explanation I ever saw.
Otherwise, in a nutshell, consider a
qmanager a post office, a queue the mailbox, the network (SNA, TCP, whetever)
the mail truck , and the bells and whistles the
You can get an alert generated when the queue reaches a percentage on the
max depth. You have to determine what that percentage is, and it will
depend on how rapidly messages are being put on the queue. And then have
something that will report on it to someone who can act.
It is also pretty
said bad message, I meant a message that the application wasn't
expecting (completely different format). It was garbage and should, in my
opinion, have been disguarded by the application rather than blocking the
queue.
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a hacker is inserting messages into your channel
How!!??
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What is needed is an automation package that can monitor the listener, and
a package to monitor the monitor, and then a person to watch a screen to
call the help desk when the monitor's monitor stops, and a backup for that
person.
Who said computers weren't labor intensive?
IBM's original
Didi,
If they want a choice between a BMW and a Mercedes there may be room to
argue, but not between a BMW and a FIAT. Did you try explaining the cost
benefit in pounds and lirot? With less moving parts the MQ API is much
less expensive to maintain.
If you gather all the MQ manuals that
Didi,
Have you looked into using the MQ API from IMS without OTMA? It might be
easier to modify the existing code to call an IMS module that can issue the
API calls than deal with ISRTs and ALT PCBs. Check the MQ manuals for
restrictions though.
Didi Dotan
Does anyone understand the internal process? Consider: (Assume priorities
and any other MQ and CICS settings are the same, and no indexing)
Assume it takes up to 30 seconds for a remote application to process a
reply. In that time, 10 CICS transactions in 1 second intervals send
requests and
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If the length includes the length of the MQIIH you could get a 294. It
should only be the message length + 12 (tran+lllzz)
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Besides, unions do not have the power they once did. Just look at a news
broadcast and see how many TV cameras are unmanned. 20 years ago the
unions would not have allowed that.
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Maybe the 4-letter work beginning w/ 'p' and ending with 'n'.
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I was at a New York City presentation c. 1991 , hosted by IBM to present
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Jason has a good point. creating rules for all the queues in a system can
be a maintenance headache.
If the application(s) are designed to reject unrecognizable messages
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would be some hacker flooding the system with garbage
Oh no!
A rebel without a queue.
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deleting them or maybe forwarding them to an application DLQ, that
wouldn't be a problem.
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not retrying the messages, and just
deleting them or maybe forwarding them to an application DLQ, that
wouldn't be a problem.
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If a CICS transaction, for example, starts due to trigger on first, and
then does a GET WAIT UNLIMITED, it is possible than a new message on the
queue will trigger a second execution of the transaction, but the current
execution will retrieve the message before the second one is attached.
So the
If a RACF userid has permission to put a message on an alias queue which
has a remote queue definition as a target,
a) does the userid also need permission to put the the message on
the XMITQ
b) if so, and the userid does not have that permission, what will
happen to the
After they do the first GET the MSGID will be what came with the message.
If the MSGID is not replaced with something else, subsequent GETs will
reuse that message id.
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Someone tried that when the first electronic poker machines were
introduced. He ended up permanently SYNCPOINTED.
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don't get mixed in with everything else.
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If your shop has or can
If your shop has or can create a utility program that can be called and can
respond with the runtime environment (CICS or batch), you can structure
your main program to bypass the CICS calls when running batch and bypass
the batch-only code when running in CICS. Then you only need one
main
Make sure your logs and pagesets are large enough to hold everything if
there is any kind of failure, and your log archiving can handle it fast
enough The messages may block other messages along the same channel so
you might consider a separate channel if traffic warrants it.
Usually those symptoms indicate a mismatched or mispelled definition
between what is in the application and the MQ objects.
MCSHEFFREY,
The program comes with MQS 5.2
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Try moving the appropriate 'none' value to MQMD-MSGID.
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transport that have adapter code which will extract and load data ffrom and
to various database and file formats.
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If you are referring to CICS, the CICS region has the connection handle so
all applications use one handle. If you are referring to an IMS
environment,
each transaction will have its own handle which will not be carried over to
other transactions.
Potkay, Peter M (PLC, IT) [EMAIL
Make the connection handle a dataarea in the main program and pass it as a
parameter to the CONNECT routine. When control from the CONNECT routine
returns to the main program the handle will follow. Then it can be passed
to the oher routines. where it is also required. It won't be 'lost' until a
My understanding from commerceQuest is that it is just marketing. If your
shop already has license arrangements with Tivoli the agreement will allow
you to stay under the same umbrella.
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If by COBOL3 you mean the LE/390 enhancements, I have not come across any
issues, either in batch or CICS.
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The 'namevaluedata' must be in ASCI, so if you are creating one on a
non-RFH2-supported platform you must convert that portion of the header.
yourself.
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In concept, messaging is nothing more than e-mail between programs.
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IPPROCS of INTQ belonging to the IMS local queue that
will be triggered? If IPPROCS 0 than you'll know
that your trig monitor is servicing it.
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using messaging only
sends messages
-only queue. Check your
INITQ's
again. If you don't have any, you're not triggering. If IPPROCS=0, the
trigger monitor is not running.
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One is synchronous, the other is asynchronous.
Connect Direct will also do the file IO and start processes. W/ MQ you
have to roll yoour own.
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On a normal MQ shutdown, do the SYSTEM.CHANNEL.SYNCQ messages go to zero?
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