Re: mutt is not for everyone

2002-03-07 Thread Will Yardley
Michael Maibaum wrote: > > I'd be willing to help with this, assuming it was perl rather than > shell, I can't claim to be a huge expert but this should be fairly > straightforward (famous last words). well my feeling is that it would be better to use perl (even though i'm not myself a great

Mutt configuration tool, was: mutt is not for everyone

2002-03-07 Thread Marco Fioretti
On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 22:16:24 at 10:16:24PM -0800, Will Yardley wrote: > > i was thinking about this in the car tonight, and i realized that > (AFAIK) there isn't a simple interactive command line program to help > new users adjust to / configure mutt. > > such a program could easily be written

Re: Mutt configuration tool, was: mutt is not for everyone

2002-03-07 Thread cruciatuz
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 10:11:19AM +0100, Marco Fioretti wrote: > 1) something like this already exists online, why don't point it as >the first thing from the Mutt web site, and maybe work to improve >that? (sorry, can't find the URL) perhaps you mean: http://mutt.netliberte.org withou

Re: Mutt configuration tool

2002-03-07 Thread Marco Fioretti
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 12:13:56 at 12:13:56PM -0500, cruciatuz wrote: > On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 10:11:19AM +0100, Marco Fioretti wrote: > > > 1) something like this already exists online, why don't point it as > >the first thing from the Mutt web site, and maybe work to improve > >that? (s

Re: Mutt configuration tool

2002-03-07 Thread Will Yardley
Marco Fioretti wrote: > > Yes, just that! Again, a command line version would complement it > perfectly (think to dialup: why pay and keep the phone busy just to > change the configuration?) well what i was envisioning was something more interactive, but with a smaller scope (and command line ba

Re: Mutt configuration tool

2002-03-07 Thread Simon White
On 07-Mar-02 at 12:26, Marco Fioretti's inspired musing was thus : > We should check if that code is available, and how hard it is to make > it work in a shell. Absolutely. Someone has already thought about the tool and even implemented it. It should be command line to save that poor guy's bandwi

Re: Mutt configuration tool

2002-03-07 Thread John Buttery
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 11:23:29AM +, Simon White wrote: >On 07-Mar-02 at 12:26, Marco Fioretti's inspired musing was thus : >> We should check if that code is available, and how hard it is to make >> it work in a shell. > >Absolutely. Someone has already thought about the tool and even implem

Re: Mutt configuration tool

2002-03-07 Thread Simon White
On 07-Mar-02 at 06:00, John Buttery's inspired musing was thus : > > Well, if we're not reinventing the wheel, why not just ask the guy if > we can have a copy of his whole HTML and just include it with the mutt > distribution? I'm sure it's not very big on disk. Then just include > instructi

Re: Mutt configuration tool

2002-03-07 Thread Will Yardley
Simon White wrote: > > Since it's dynamic, he'll have to be running a web server, etc. A > shell or PERL script will guarantee functionality across a wider range > of Linux distros and setups. and other operating systems; mutt runs on a number of systems other than linux (ie FreeBSD, commercial

Re: mutt is not for everyone

2002-03-07 Thread Will Yardley
Sven Guckes wrote: > > mutt does not strive to be popular with everyone. after all, all > those bad mailers were written to *fit* some people - and they > certainly do! so dont take them away from those - they deserve it! i think this statement is a bit elitist simply because a tool is pow

So, when do we start? was: Mutt configuration tool

2002-03-07 Thread Marco Fioretti
Thanks for the "inspired musing" bit! So, when do we start? I confirm that I cannot be the main developer for this right now, but promise to test and debug whatever will be sent to me, and to include the final thing in the RULE package list. Ciao, Marco Fioretti RULE: w

Re: Mutt configuration tool

2002-03-07 Thread Thomas E. Dickey
On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Will Yardley wrote: > Simon White wrote: > > > > Since it's dynamic, he'll have to be running a web server, etc. A > > shell or PERL script will guarantee functionality across a wider range > > of Linux distros and setups. > > and other operating systems; mutt runs on a number

Re: Mutt configuration tool

2002-03-07 Thread Simon White
> technically not win32 since it's not a native port (cygwin). > contrast to pine which I've read does have a native win32 port... Yep, PC-Pine has been around for years, a native port maintained by the UW team. Also, on the mutt config script: I know a bit of PERL, keep me in the loop. -- |-S

Mutt configuration tool -- count me in!

2002-03-07 Thread darren chamberlain
Quoting Will Yardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Mar 07, 2002 01:16]: > i was thinking about this in the car tonight, and i realized > that (AFAIK) there isn't a simple interactive command line > program to help new users adjust to / configure mutt. Like many others have mentioned, I am also interested

Re: Mutt configuration tool -- count me in!

2002-03-07 Thread Steve Kennedy
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 10:05:08AM -0500, darren chamberlain wrote: > myself to this project. Also, someone mentioned earlier in the > thread that they could provide CVS space and mailing list support. > In other words, count me in. Hosting another mutt list wouldn't be a problem here either.

Re: Mutt configuration tool -- count me in!

2002-03-07 Thread darren chamberlain
Quoting Steve Kennedy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Mar 07, 2002 10:16]: > On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 10:05:08AM -0500, darren chamberlain wrote: > > > myself to this project. Also, someone mentioned earlier in the > > thread that they could provide CVS space and mailing list support. > > In other words, co

Re: Mutt configuration tool - does it have to be perl?

2002-03-07 Thread cruciatuz
i like python(.org) and i think it would be a good choice for this tool, because team-development would be easier (just my opinion, i don't want to start a silly language war). does it have to be written in the perl language? -- stefan antoni msg25136/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

smtp/ftp referenced attachments ?

2002-03-07 Thread Ron da Silva
Is there a way to get mutt to recognize either of the following content types?? Should automatically retrieve this doc via email or ftp when I open that attachment, but mutt complains instead. thanks, -ron - Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server";

Re: Mutt configuration tool - does it have to be perl?

2002-03-07 Thread darren chamberlain
Quoting cruciatuz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Mar 07, 2002 10:51]: > i like python(.org) and i think it would be a good choice for > this tool, because team-development would be easier (just my > opinion, i don't want to start a silly language war). I like python too, it's a good language. I brought up

Re: smtp/ftp referenced attachments ?

2002-03-07 Thread Simon White
On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Ron da Silva wrote: > Is there a way to get mutt to recognize either of the following content > types?? Should automatically retrieve this doc via email or ftp when I > open that attachment, but mutt complains instead. I'm taking a stab at this, but something like a combinat

Auto insert subject

2002-03-07 Thread Michael Montagne
I'm configuring my KDE clipboard menu to use Mutt. I want to be able to mail a URL string that is highlighted. What command line arguments can I use to insert the string represented by "%s"? The string used for the "mailto:"; link is: konsole -e mutt `echo "%s" | sed 's/mailto://g'` It doesn't

Re: Is mutt really "handicapped"?

2002-03-07 Thread Philip Mak
On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 09:01:09AM -0500, Ben Logan wrote: > > Yes, it doesn't have nice and point-and-clicky interface, but I don't like > > them, anyway. > > Like many of you on this list probably do, I get several hundred > messages a day (up to 600). I almost hyperventilate at the thought of

Re: Auto insert subject (oops I mean BODY)

2002-03-07 Thread Michael Montagne
>On 07/03/02, from the brain of Michael Montagne tumbled: > I'm configuring my KDE clipboard menu to use Mutt. I want to be able to > mail a URL string that is highlighted. What command line arguments can > I use to insert the string represented by "%s"? > The string used for the "mailto:"; li

Re: smtp/ftp referenced attachments ?

2002-03-07 Thread David Ellement
On 020307, at 10:54:51, Ron da Silva wrote > Is there a way to get mutt to recognize ... the following content > types?? > > Content-Type: Message/External-body; > name="draft-ietf-l2tpext-l2tp-base-02.txt"; > site="ftp.ietf.org"; > access-type="anon-ftp"; > direct

Re: Is mutt really "handicapped"?

2002-03-07 Thread Simon White
> I do find the mouse to be useful in some cases though: If I want to go > to a specific message on the screen, it would be easier to just click > it with the mouse than figuring out how many times I have to hit the > arrow keys to get there. Jump to message number. > Also, some GUI mail clients

Re: mutt is not for everyone

2002-03-07 Thread Rob Reid
At 1:15 AM EST on March 7 Will Yardley sent off: > Sven Guckes wrote: > > > > mutt does not strive to be popular with everyone. after all, all > > those bad mailers were written to *fit* some people - and they > > certainly do! so dont take them away from those - they deserve it! > > i think

Re: Mutt configuration tool

2002-03-07 Thread Simon White
> > Too many people in Open Source are reinventing the wheel, especially FTP > > clients, lightweight web servers, PHP photo galleries, etc > > But too many things in Open Source need to be reinvented, unfortunately. > I don't often find that two projects that you can summarize similarly > are act

Re: Mutt configuration tool

2002-03-07 Thread Carl B. Constantine
* John Buttery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 11:23:29AM +, Simon White wrote: > >On 07-Mar-02 at 12:26, Marco Fioretti's inspired musing was thus : > >> We should check if that code is available, and how hard it is to make > >> it work in a shell. > > > >Absolutely. Some

Re: Mutt configuration tool

2002-03-07 Thread David Champion
I hadn't really meant to make this a mutt-users topic, but On 2002.03.07, in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Simon White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In an ideal world: > > $ ./configure --enable-liability --disable-benefit Perhaps. So why doesn't mutt include every patch available as a conf

Re: Is mutt really "handicapped"?

2002-03-07 Thread Heiko Heil
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 11:30:30AM -0500, Philip Mak wrote: > [...] > (In mutt or pine, if I wanted to go look at another message while I'm > already writing one, I'd have to postpone it, go look, and come back.) I use the splitting-feature of vim (:help sp). -- Cheers, Heiko Heil msg25149/pg

Re: Is mutt really "handicapped"?

2002-03-07 Thread David T-G
Philip, et al -- ...and then Philip Mak said... % ... % I do find the mouse to be useful in some cases though: If I want to go % to a specific message on the screen, it would be easier to just click % it with the mouse than figuring out how many times I have to hit the % arrow keys to get there.

Re: mutt is not for everyone

2002-03-07 Thread David T-G
Hi, all -- ...and then Will Yardley said... % ... % i was thinking about this in the car tonight, and i realized that % (AFAIK) there isn't a simple interactive command line program to help % new users adjust to / configure mutt. % % such a program could easily be written as a shell script or a

Re: Is mutt really "handicapped"?

2002-03-07 Thread MuttER
* Philip Mak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [03-07-02 11:33] crowed: > Also, some GUI mail clients allow opening multiple windows to show > more than one message at a time. That functionality is useful for when > I want to compose a single reply to multiple messages, for example. > (In mutt or pine, if I wa

Re: mutt is not for everyone

2002-03-07 Thread Simon White
On 07-Mar-02 at 12:21, David T-G's inspired musing was thus : > Not to rain on the parade, particularly since netliberte has been > mentioned, but isn't there also a dotfiles generator for mutt as well? Is dotfiles a generic generator with templates for different apps? Point me to the URL :-) --

Re: mutt is not for everyone

2002-03-07 Thread David T-G
Simon, et al -- ...and then Simon White said... % % On 07-Mar-02 at 12:21, David T-G's inspired musing was thus : % > Not to rain on the parade, particularly since netliberte has been % > mentioned, but isn't there also a dotfiles generator for mutt as well? % % Is dotfiles a generic generator

Re: mutt is not for everyone

2002-03-07 Thread Dan Boger
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 12:38:35PM -0500, David T-G wrote: > That's my recollection, but I don't have the URL to give you. You go to > the website, IIRC, click on your app, put in some options, and get a > config file out. Not unlike netliberte, I suppose, but I know that > dotfiles (or dotfile)

Re: Mutt configuration tool

2002-03-07 Thread Steve Kennedy
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 08:55:08AM -0800, Carl B. Constantine wrote: > > Well, if we're not reinventing the wheel, why not just ask the guy if > > we can have a copy of his whole HTML and just include it with the mutt > > distribution? I'm sure it's not very big on disk. Then just include > >

Re: mutt is not for everyone

2002-03-07 Thread Daniel Eisenbud
On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 10:16:24PM -0800, Will Yardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sven Guckes wrote: > > > > mutt does not strive to be popular with everyone. after all, all > > those bad mailers were written to *fit* some people - and they > > certainly do! so dont take them away from those

Re: Mutt configuration tool

2002-03-07 Thread darren chamberlain
Quoting Steve Kennedy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Mar 07, 2002 12:49]: > On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 08:55:08AM -0800, Carl B. Constantine wrote: > > > Well, if we're not reinventing the wheel, why not just ask the guy if > > > we can have a copy of his whole HTML and just include it with the mutt > > > di

HTML mail

2002-03-07 Thread Michael Montagne
How do folks handle HTML mail. If I receive an attached HTML file (and HTML email, I think), autoview will decode it and I'll see it in the pager (correct term?). Then I can use "v" and when I view the link, Galeon is invoked and I can see the page. But if someone sends an entire page as the ema

Re: HTML mail

2002-03-07 Thread Joel Hammer
Have you just tried pressing v from the main page before you open up the letter? Joel On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 10:23:42AM -0800, Michael Montagne wrote: > How do folks handle HTML mail. If I receive an attached HTML file (and > HTML email, I think), autoview will decode it and I'll see it in the

Re: HTML mail

2002-03-07 Thread Michael Montagne
>On 07/03/02, from the brain of Joel Hammer tumbled: > Have you just tried pressing v from the main page before you open up the > letter? > > Joel > > On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 10:23:42AM -0800, Michael Montagne wrote: > > How do folks handle HTML mail. If I receive an attached HTML file (and >

multiple attachments

2002-03-07 Thread Eduardo J. Gargiulo
Hi all. How can I attach more than one file to a message, without having to press a and browse for each one? thanks ~ejg msg25162/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: multiple attachments

2002-03-07 Thread Steve Mayer
Eduardo, Press a to get the file browser and then for each file you want to attach hit the 't' key (to tag the file). After all required files are tagged, hit . You should now have the attachments you want. Steve On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 04:27:48PM -0500, Eduardo J. Gargiulo wrote: > H

From: header quotes

2002-03-07 Thread Eduardo J. Gargiulo
Hi all. I'm using qmail as MTA and QMAILINJECT variables to edit the headers of my messages (MAILHOST, MAILUSER and MAILNAME). The 'problem' is that my >From header shows between quotation marks ("). Is there any way to avoid this. I want to send my headers like From: Eduardo J. Gargiulo <[EMAIL

Re: From: header quotes

2002-03-07 Thread David T-G
Eduardo -- ...and then Eduardo J. Gargiulo said... % % Hi all. Hello! % % I'm using qmail as MTA and QMAILINJECT variables to edit the headers of % my messages (MAILHOST, MAILUSER and MAILNAME). The 'problem' is that my Good enough. % >From header shows between quotation marks ("). Is the

Re: From: header quotes

2002-03-07 Thread David Collantes
* Eduardo J. Gargiulo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [07-03-02 02:18 PM EST]: > my messages (MAILHOST, MAILUSER and MAILNAME). The 'problem' is that my > >From header shows between quotation marks ("). Is there any way to > avoid this. I want to send my headers like > > From: Eduardo J. Gargiulo <[EMAIL PR

Re: From: header quotes

2002-03-07 Thread Eduardo J Gargiulo
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 02:51:34PM -0500, David T-G wrote: > Nope; you have a period in your fullname and that calls for quoting. If > you are happy enough with > > From: Eduardo J Gargiulo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > then you could be quote-free. it didn't work, look at my headers. My .bashrc

Re: mutt is not for everyone

2002-03-07 Thread Simon White
> IIRC, it's actually an app, not a cgi... > > here's the homepage, thanks to freshmeat :) > > http://www.blackie.dk/dotfile/ Yep, but on that site I don't see support for mutt... seems to have good procmail support though. However, here :- http://www.dotfiles.com/index.php3?cat_id=12 There

Re: HTML mail

2002-03-07 Thread Simon White
> > On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 10:23:42AM -0800, Michael Montagne wrote: > > > How do folks handle HTML mail. If I receive an attached HTML file (and > > > HTML email, I think), autoview will decode it and I'll see it in the > > > pager (correct term?). Then I can use "v" and when I view the link,

Re: From: header quotes

2002-03-07 Thread David T-G
Eduardo -- ...and then Eduardo J Gargiulo said... % % On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 02:51:34PM -0500, David T-G wrote: % > % > From: Eduardo J Gargiulo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> % > % > then you could be quote-free. % % it didn't work, look at my headers. Hmmm... Interesting. And yet look how mine a

Re: From: header quotes

2002-03-07 Thread mutt
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 03:51:57PM -0500, David T-G wrote: > > Just for fun, even though I know you're using qmail environment > variables, unset MAILNAME and try writing a From: line with my_hdr and > see what you get. I put folder-hook ~/users/mutt my_hdr From: Eduardo Gargiulo <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: Is mutt really "handicapped"?

2002-03-07 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 07/03/02 Philip Mak did speaketh: > I do find the mouse to be useful in some cases though: If I want to go > to a specific message on the screen, it would be easier to just click > it with the mouse than figuring out how many times I have to hit the > arrow keys to get there. Who uses the

Re: Is mutt really "handicapped"?

2002-03-07 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 07/03/02 Heiko Heil did speaketh: > > I use the splitting-feature of vim (:help sp). How do you use it to read mail in a folder though? Do you open the mbox file? Mike -- Michael P. Soulier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, GnuPG pub key: 5BC8BE08 "...the word HACK is used as a verb to indica

Re: Is mutt really "handicapped"?

2002-03-07 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 07/03/02 MuttER did speaketh: > Goodness... Open several xterm windows with mutt and look at all > the different msgs you wish. I just tried "xterm -e mutt", and I get a "no such file or directory" error. Any idea what that is? I'd like to put opening mutt in an xterm on an IceWM key

Re: Is mutt really "handicapped"?

2002-03-07 Thread darren chamberlain
Quoting Michael P. Soulier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Mar 07, 2002 16:30]: > On 07/03/02 MuttER did speaketh: > > Goodness... Open several xterm windows with mutt and look at all > > the different msgs you wish. > > I just tried "xterm -e mutt", and I get a "no such file or > directory" error. Any

Re: Is mutt really "handicapped"?

2002-03-07 Thread Knute
On Thu, 07 Mar 2002, darren chamberlain wrote: > Quoting Michael P. Soulier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Mar 07, 2002 16:30]: > > On 07/03/02 MuttER did speaketh: > > > Goodness... Open several xterm windows with mutt and look at all > > > the different msgs you wish. > > > > I just tried "xterm -e

Re: Controlling headers displayed in vi pager

2002-03-07 Thread Rob 'Feztaa' Park
--GvXjxJ+pjyke8COw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas! Joel Hammer spake thus: > Since going to vi as my pager, I don't see all the headers I used to be > able to see with the builtin pager. Is there a way to fo

About the language for the mutt config tool

2002-03-07 Thread Marco Fioretti
Hello, my two eurocent on this issue. Any language can be made readable or unreadable. Personally, I think that any program is readable if it has complete, up to date embedded comments explaining what is happening and meaningful variable names, even if the actual code looks like ancient Greek, s

use another email address

2002-03-07 Thread Rory Campbell-Lange
Hi. I'm new to the list (however I did have a quick look at the archives before sending this!). Is there a way of using another From: (and Reply-To:) email address without using the folder-hook system? Thanks for any help Rory -- Rory Campbell-Lange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: From: header quotes

2002-03-07 Thread Rob 'Feztaa' Park
--Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas! Eduardo J Gargiulo spake thus: > it didn't work, look at my headers. You mean the header that looks like this? From: Eduardo J Gargiulo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: use another email address

2002-03-07 Thread Knute
On Thu, 07 Mar 2002, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: > Hi. I'm new to the list (however I did have a quick look at the archives > before sending this!). > Is there a way of using another From: (and Reply-To:) email address > without using the folder-hook system? You could always set up an alternate

Re: About the language for the mutt config tool

2002-03-07 Thread Michael Maibaum
On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 12:03:56AM +0100, Marco Fioretti wrote: > Any language can be made readable or unreadable. Personally, I think > that any program is readable if it has complete, up to date embedded > comments explaining what is happening and meaningful variable names, > even if the actual

Re: About the language for the mutt config tool

2002-03-07 Thread Will Yardley
Michael Maibaum wrote: > On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 12:03:56AM +0100, Marco Fioretti wrote: > > So, what language do the volunteers know better? > Perl. my guess is that more people know perl well... that's nothing against python; from everything i've heard, python is a great language. i'm perso

Re: About the language for the mutt config tool

2002-03-07 Thread Michael Maibaum
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 03:39:48PM -0800, Will Yardley wrote: > Michael Maibaum wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 12:03:56AM +0100, Marco Fioretti wrote: > > > > So, what language do the volunteers know better? > > > Perl. > > my guess is that more people know perl well... that's nothing agai

Re: Is mutt really "handicapped"?

2002-03-07 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 07/03/02 darren chamberlain did speaketh: > > I just tried "xterm -e mutt", and I get a "no such file or > > directory" error. Any idea what that is? I'd like to put > > opening mutt in an xterm on an IceWM keybinding. > > Try xterm -e /path/to/mutt I should have been clearer. It loads