Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-28 Thread Lloyd Osten
Andy Goth wrote: Well, I'm no programmer, but it must not be terribly difficult as I have a couple of programs that do similar things. But Partition Magic is still the best, and comes with more than just the partition creator and resizer. I have Partition Magic 4.0 which has a Windows

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-28 Thread Lloyd Osten
Richard Myers wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Richard Myers wrote: Neat stuff, huh? This is Unix. best wishes, richard myers On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, darkknight wrote: : ) Ever thought about teaching? We, I taught an online college-level Intro to Unix course for several years.

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-27 Thread Richard Myers
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Andy Goth wrote: I was about to make that statement earlier, but I then thought it wasn't tre since everything that has been said indicated that hard links point to a single file and when all hard links die the file does as well (and that kinda invalidated what I

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-27 Thread darkknight
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Richard Myers wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Andy Goth wrote: I was about to make that statement earlier, but I then thought it wasn't tre since everything that has been said indicated that hard links point to a single file and when all hard links die the file does as

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-27 Thread Patrick Putteman
Congrats for this wonderful explanation of hard/symlinks. Patrick On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, you wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Richard Myers wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Andy Goth wrote: I was about to make that statement earlier, but I then thought it wasn't tre since everything that has been

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-27 Thread Richard Myers
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Richard Myers wrote: Neat stuff, huh? This is Unix. best wishes, richard myers On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, darkknight wrote: : ) Ever thought about teaching? We, I taught an online college-level Intro to Unix course for several years. Gave it up because (1) the

RE: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-27 Thread Joseph Gardner
I'm game for a few online "quickies" Regards, Joseph Gardner Senior Designer / Technical Support Kirby Company -Original Message- From: Richard Myers [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 11:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-27 Thread John Aldrich
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, you wrote: Hmmm. Glad it helped. Maybe we should do some quickie Unix-command-line intro lessons online. QUESTION: should it be on this list, or would it be better to start a new, separate maillist? Or should we just try a few easy lessons, and see how it goes, with the

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-27 Thread Andy Goth
I was about to make that statement earlier, but I then thought it wasn't tre since everything that has been said indicated that hard links point to a single file and when all hard links die the file does as well (and that kinda invalidated what I thought). It's a good thing this isn't

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-27 Thread Art Rowe
I would be interested in short tutorials, geared to the time I take to scan my incoming e-mail and mail lists. I am reading Teach Yourself Unix in 24 Hours at the moment. The discussion on hard links was esoteric for my present state of Linux, but I didn't know what a CD-rom was a few years

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-27 Thread Bert Bullough
Anything you can do to help us command-line idiots would be greatly appreciated! Richard Myers wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Richard Myers wrote: Neat stuff, huh? This is Unix. best wishes, richard myers On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, darkknight wrote: : ) Ever thought about teaching?

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-26 Thread Richard Myers
On Sun, 25 Jul 1999, Andy Goth wrote: Then what are hard links good for? There are two applications which do something similar. Call them xyzzy and plugh. xyzzy gives you a help menu, but plugh is for expert users who don't need (and don't want) a menu. I write a better application-- better

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-26 Thread Matt Stegman
Sounds like bzip2. Except that bzip2 uses symlinks, instead. I believe that "bunzip2" and "bzcat" are both _symlinks_ to "bzip2." Although, I imagine that if you're paranoid about deleting files, you might use hard links as a "backup." As was stated earlier, all regular files are hard links

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-26 Thread Andy Goth
What if all the hard links are deleted but the original file remains? Or will it just disappear? Each file has at least one hard link. If you delete all the hard links, you just deleted the file. So, each file name is like a hard link to the data?

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-26 Thread Dan Brown
From: Andy Goth [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, each file name is like a hard link to the data? Yes, precisely.

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-26 Thread Andy Goth
So, each file name is like a hard link to the data? Yes, precisely. I was about to make that statement earlier, but I then thought it wasn't tre since everything that has been said indicated that hard links point to a single file and when all hard links die the file does as well (and

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-25 Thread Thomas J. Hamman
On 25-Jul-99 Andy Goth wrote: FIPS, eh? Yeah, I read that it could resize partitions as well. Does anyone have any success stories? Any reports of failures? Fips basically performs one function: It takes a DOS partition, and splits it into two smaller partitions. It cannot resize

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-24 Thread Manny Styles
- Original Message - From: Andy Goth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 24, 1999 2:46 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah Basically what Partition Magic does that fdisk doesn't, is resize existing partitions without requiring you to first destroy them

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-24 Thread Lloyd Osten
On Sat, 24 Jul 1999, you wrote: Basically what Partition Magic does that fdisk doesn't, is resize existing partitions without requiring you to first destroy them (and everything on them) and recreate them. I guess that's convenient but -I- wouldn't pay $70 for it. :) So it's a

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-24 Thread Andy Goth
FIPS, eh? Yeah, I read that it could resize partitions as well. Does anyone have any success stories? Any reports of failures? Fips basically performs one function: It takes a DOS partition, and splits it into two smaller partitions. It cannot resize Linux partitions, and it cannot

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-23 Thread Richard Myers
On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, Andy Goth wrote: I've spent long sleepless nights before fixing the system.ini file after moving programs from C:\Program Files to D:\Prog. Luckily, I had a utility to rename most references that went to my CD-ROM drive after it changed letters. In Linux, such a thing

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-23 Thread darkknight
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Andy Goth wrote: Probably for the same reason DOS can only use 640kB RAM. I can hear it now... "Nobody will ever have a drive larger than 2GB!" Correction: Nobody will ever BE ABLE TO have a drive larger than 2GB! That is, with DOS. I like learning about the

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-23 Thread Lloyd Osten
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, you wrote: Probably for the same reason DOS can only use 640kB RAM. I can hear it now... "Nobody will ever have a drive larger than 2GB!" Correction: Nobody will ever BE ABLE TO have a drive larger than 2GB! That is, with DOS. I like learning about the internals

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-23 Thread Lloyd Osten
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, you wrote: I broke my disk up in 3 partitions. 2 Gig or so for "/root", 64M for "swap", and the balance (6Gig) for "/home". This allows me to reinstall (reformat :-0 ) the /root and swap and not touch any home (user) files What about /usr and all those other

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-23 Thread Axalon
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Andy Goth wrote: Probably for the same reason DOS can only use 640kB RAM. I can hear it now... "Nobody will ever have a drive larger than 2GB!" I'm sure somebodys got that one on tape too ;) Correction: Nobody will ever BE ABLE TO have a drive larger than 2GB!

RE: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-23 Thread Joseph Gardner
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, you wrote: I broke my disk up in 3 partitions. 2 Gig or so for "/root", 64M for "swap", and the balance (6Gig) for "/home". This allows me to reinstall (reformat :-0 ) the /root and swap and not touch any home (user) files What about /usr and all those other

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-23 Thread darkknight
On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, Lloyd Osten wrote: On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, you wrote: On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, Andy Goth wrote: I've spent long sleepless nights before fixing the system.ini file after moving programs from C:\Program Files to D:\Prog. Luckily, I had a utility to rename most

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-23 Thread Andy Goth
Linux's answer to the FAT is: Trim it :) Are you just joking, or do you mean that the file allocation table (I think it's called an I-Node table... correct me) grows as necessary?

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-23 Thread Andy Goth
You could use Partition Magic (the $70 is worth it if you can't find "other" means of aquiring it). It comes with an additional program called Magic Mover which can place a complete program and all of it's folder contents in a new directory, even on another drive. And there will be no

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-23 Thread Lloyd Osten
On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, you wrote: You could use Partition Magic (the $70 is worth it if you can't find "other" means of aquiring it). It comes with an additional program called Magic Mover which can place a complete program and all of it's folder contents in a new directory, even on

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-23 Thread rick
On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, you wrote: On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, you wrote: You could use Partition Magic (the $70 is worth it if you can't find "other" means of acquiring it). Search around the net for a copy of partition magic 3.0. It will work with win98 and create you partitions. For linux

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-23 Thread Thomas J. Hamman
On 24-Jul-99 Andy Goth wrote: Search around the net for a copy of partition magic 3.0. It will work with win98 and create you partitions. I don't have (or want) Windows 98. What's wrong with (c)fdisk? What more do I need? Remember. I'm reinstalling Windows, so I don't need to update

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-23 Thread William Meyer
Some products are worth paying for, but sometimes I don't really need them that badly. That PartitionMagic thing... I don't even know why I need it. And then I don't see a point to use it more than once. If it was free, then I would just download it. Since it isn't, ... you know. I'll

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-23 Thread William Meyer
Basically what Partition Magic does that fdisk doesn't, is resize existing partitions without requiring you to first destroy them (and everything on them) and recreate them. I guess that's convenient but -I- wouldn't pay $70 for it. :) It also does a good job of cleaning up after other

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-23 Thread William Meyer
The 3.0 version is the one that I am familiar with. It works great. I bought mine for $15 with a $15 rebate. I also have calder'a 2.2 but I can't get partition magic's bootloader to see my mandrake partitions. 3.0 was great, but didn't know from ext2 William Meyer

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-23 Thread Andy Goth
Basically what Partition Magic does that fdisk doesn't, is resize existing partitions without requiring you to first destroy them (and everything on them) and recreate them. I guess that's convenient but -I- wouldn't pay $70 for it. :) So it's a nondestructive partition resizer? That

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-22 Thread Lloyd Osten
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, you wrote: I heard that I should have two Linux partitions. Can anyone give me more information on this? You need a bare minimum of two partitions for Linux. One will be your root partition and the other partition will be your swap partition. It is HIGHLY RECOMMENDED

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-22 Thread Lloyd Osten
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, you wrote: Andy Goth wrote: mind. If only I could map "\Program Files" to be on a different partition... Of course, such things are trivially easy in Linux... Wonder why Microsoft chose such a half-assed method of drive management... Because they're

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-22 Thread Matt Stegman
I heard that I should have two Linux partitions. Can anyone give me more information on this? Sure. You should have one partition for files, and another for swapping. Of course, you can distribute your file system between several partitions- I have /home on a separate partition so that when

RE: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-22 Thread Joseph Gardner
Dan wrote: Andy Goth wrote: mind. If only I could map "\Program Files" to be on a different partition... Of course, such things are trivially easy in Linux... Wonder why Microsoft chose such a half-assed method of drive management... -- Dan Brown, KE6MKS, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Meddle not in

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-22 Thread William Meyer
Andy Goth wrote: mind. If only I could map "\Program Files" to be on a different partition... I don't put things there, unless forced. It is a path embedded in so many install tools, though, that you have to be vigilant when you install, and some programs will give you no choice.

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-22 Thread Lloyd Osten
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, you wrote: Lloyd Osten wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, you wrote: Andy Goth wrote: mind. If only I could map "\Program Files" to be on a different partition... Of course, such things are trivially easy in Linux... Wonder why Microsoft chose

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lloyd Osten wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, you wrote: Lloyd Osten wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, you wrote: Andy Goth wrote: mind. If only I could map "\Program Files" to be on a different partition... Of course, such things are trivially easy in Linux...

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-22 Thread Andy Goth
I broke my disk up in 3 partitions. 2 Gig or so for "/root", 64M for "swap", and the balance (6Gig) for "/home". This allows me to reinstall (reformat :-0 ) the /root and swap and not touch any home (user) files What about /usr and all those other directories I am forgetting? So, what if

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-22 Thread Andy Goth
Installing Mandrake is pretty easy since it uses all those cool Red Hat configurator programs. I'm sure Bill would like to discredit it by saying, "But that's text mode! Windows has the edge since it uses graphics." Edge? I really like text mode. Text mode graphics is fun to do since it's

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-22 Thread Andy Goth
Probably for the same reason DOS can only use 640kB RAM. I can hear it now... "Nobody will ever have a drive larger than 2GB!" Correction: Nobody will ever BE ABLE TO have a drive larger than 2GB! That is, with DOS. I like learning about the internals of my computer. I try to learn all I

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-22 Thread Andy Goth
mind. If only I could map "\Program Files" to be on a different partition... Of course, such things are trivially easy in Linux... Wonder why Microsoft chose such a half-assed method of drive management... Because they're Microsoft and want to make things as easy as

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-22 Thread Andy Goth
I heard that I should have two Linux partitions. Can anyone give me more information on this? You need a bare minimum of two partitions for Linux. One will be your root partition and the other partition will be your swap partition. It is HIGHLY RECOMMENDED that you use a swap partition.

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-22 Thread Ty Mixon
Then run Linux . . . ;) Ty Original Message On 7/22/99, 8:39:38 PM, Andy Goth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah: mind. If only I could map "\Program Files" to be on a different partition... Of course, such things are trivially eas

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-22 Thread Hoyt
- Original Message - From: Andy Goth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah mind. If only I could map "\Program Files" to be on a different partition... Of course, such things are

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-22 Thread Andy Goth
Then run Linux . . . ;) I am not the only user of the computer--I have to share it. My dad uses Office on it, and everyone uses DOS games. Just so you know, X runs very, very slowly, so don't bother suggesting using a X Window Office workalike. I read that Das Boot document, and I learned

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-22 Thread Andy Goth
I used to copy mine to E:\, then run a program called "Registry Search Replace" and replace all instances of c:\program files with e:\program files. Reboot and then delete c:\program files. Never a problem. If some poorly written program insisted on c:\, I would let it install, then repeat

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-22 Thread Thomas J. Hamman
On 23-Jul-99 Andy Goth wrote: I broke my disk up in 3 partitions. 2 Gig or so for "/root", 64M for "swap", and the balance (6Gig) for "/home". This allows me to reinstall (reformat :-0 ) the /root and swap and not touch any home (user) files What about /usr and all those other

Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah

1999-07-22 Thread Ty Mixon
I understand - my g/f would kill me if I didn't let her have the 8gb hd for WinNT. BTW, if you have a burner, I have 98 (don't use it) and Office2k (nice). Ty Original Message On 7/22/99, 10:35:09 PM, Andy Goth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: [newbie] Oh, yeah: Then run Linux