On 20/05/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
we should start be listing concrete things that specific volunteers want
to do now. Over time then we can notice patterns in these requests
One pattern that already emerged is access to Pootle. We've seen
volunteers show up on this list, request a proper access
2012/5/20 Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
Paulo,
Rob also clarified what I mean by people speaking for themselves
when he said this earlier:
For example, I have given such presentations before.
I just say that I am, Rob Weir, a Committer on the
Apache OpenOffice
Il 20/05/2012 21:25, Dennis E. Hamilton ha scritto:
I want to encourage all that you say here.
I am not so confident that the openoffice.org approach (that is, what Sun
allowed and supported) is applicable here because the ASF as a foundation must
operate differently than a commercial
2012/5/21 Paolo Pozzan pa...@z2z.it
Il 20/05/2012 21:25, Dennis E. Hamilton ha scritto:
I want to encourage all that you say here.
I am not so confident that the openoffice.org approach (that is, what
Sun allowed and supported) is applicable here because the ASF as a
foundation must
I fear that we are back where this conversation started:
Everything can be managed inside
Apache OpenOffice project.
Even if I change managed to accomplished I do not see how Everything is
achieved without *necessary* bureaucracy.
I think it is time to deal with individual specific
Hi.
2012/5/20 Claudio Filho filh...@gmail.com
2012/5/18 Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org:
I opened a JIRA issue:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4816
Wow! You was more fast that me, Pedro. I was writing now an issue for
this. :-)
+1
I voted.
Albino
Il 18/05/2012 16:55, drew jensen ha scritto:
Hi,
Recently there has been some discussion on the projects private ML
regarding issues about native language groups and how best to support
work groups which will by definition be somewhat circumscribed from the
whole by virtue of language without
2012/5/20 Paolo Pozzan pa...@z2z.it
Reading to all other messages in this thread, I think many missed the
point.
The problem is not about what language to use, but how to manage the
to-be-volunteers which don't or wouldn't have the same skills as ours.
Volunteers are a big marketing weapon;
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima
paulo.s.l...@varekai.org wrote:
2012/5/20 Paolo Pozzan pa...@z2z.it
Reading to all other messages in this thread, I think many missed the
point.
The problem is not about what language to use, but how to manage the
to-be-volunteers
2012/5/20 Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima
paulo.s.l...@varekai.org wrote:
2012/5/20 Paolo Pozzan pa...@z2z.it
Reading to all other messages in this thread, I think many missed the
point.
The problem is not about what
I want to encourage all that you say here.
I am not so confident that the openoffice.org approach (that is, what Sun
allowed and supported) is applicable here because the ASF as a foundation must
operate differently than a commercial enterprise.
That can be a minor thing, once the guidelines
The extend of bureacratic issues will depend on the extent of support and
acceptance you require.
Without specific requests, there is no way of knowing what conditions the ASF
and the Apache OpenOffice project might set.
What do you require that constitutes acceptance?
What do you require
Il 20/05/2012 20:57, Paulo de Souza Lima ha scritto:
2012/5/20 Wolf Haltonwolf.hal...@gmail.com
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima
paulo.s.l...@varekai.org wrote:
2012/5/20 Paolo Pozzanpa...@z2z.it
Reading to all other messages in this thread, I think many missed the
2012/5/20 Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
The extend of bureacratic issues will depend on the extent of support
and acceptance you require.
Without specific requests, there is no way of knowing what conditions the
ASF and the Apache OpenOffice project might set.
What do you
When will you be specific?
Are you concerned about the iCLA?
That doesn't stop most people from helping on ooo-users or other lists. It is
not a condition for contributing to the Forums. It is not a condition for
submitting bug reports. It is a condition for submitting work that is
2012/5/20 Paolo Pozzan pa...@z2z.it
Il 20/05/2012 20:57, Paulo de Souza Lima ha scritto:
snip
Paulo,
I am not sure I understand either. What is missing that would make it
easier for you to do what you want to accomplish?
Maybe is about what must be missed. Asking a volunteer to
2012/5/20 Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
When will you be specific?
When you give me time to write a proper reply
Are you concerned about the iCLA?
No I am not.
That doesn't stop most people from helping on ooo-users or other lists.
It is not a condition for
Please Paolo,
What does this refer to:
Do you need to fill a form when you decide to help a friend
or someone unknown? Most of people don't think they need.
So, some of us will submit their requests for contributors.
Some will not.
I have no idea how this relates to the
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
When will you be specific?
Are you concerned about the iCLA?
That doesn't stop most people from helping on ooo-users or other lists. It
is not a condition for contributing to the Forums. It is not a
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima
paulo.s.l...@varekai.org wrote:
2012/5/20 Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima
paulo.s.l...@varekai.org wrote:
2012/5/20 Paolo Pozzan pa...@z2z.it
Reading to all other messages
2012/5/20 Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
Please Paolo,
What does this refer to:
Do you need to fill a form when you decide to help a friend
or someone unknown? Most of people don't think they need.
So, some of us will submit their requests for contributors.
Some
2012/5/20 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima
snip
So I've seen two requests so far:
1) Create of a br-pt mailing list. I think this was approved, yes?
Yes. Thank you.
2) Request for admin access to MWiki. I don't think this has been
I was curious about sisudo also:
Significado de sisudo no Dicionário inFormal online de
Português. O que é sisudo: Sério, firme, enfático.
Prudente, sensato.
I think you might have been thinking of dour although that word is not used
much. Beside serious, firm, and emphatic there is
2012/5/20 Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
I was curious about sisudo also:
Great! =)
Also can mean a person who doesn't smile ever.
=D
Significado de sisudo no Dicionário inFormal online de
Português. O que é sisudo: Sério, firme, enfático.
Prudente, sensato.
I think
Hello guys.. very interesting discussion.
I am new to OpenOffice.org and indeed new to Apache and I
am basically the result of both organizations coming together.
On 05/20/12 16:11, Paulo de Souza Lima wrote:
...
Keep in mind the following: OpenOffice.org community has passed through a
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima
paulo.s.l...@varekai.org wrote:
2012/5/20 Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
Please Paolo,
What does this refer to:
Do you need to fill a form when you decide to help a friend
or someone unknown? Most of people don't think
Thank you.
I see that this is about a past experience with another project. I have
nothing to say about that.
I think Rob is correct that the Apache OpenOffice project must deal with
specific situations that the project can influence.
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Paulo de
The JIRA Issue has been acknowledged. INFRA indicates that there are believed
to be two Apache OpenOffice project members already able to work on this.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4816.
There is no information about priorities and any staging for a MediaWiki
upgrade.
Yes, that is a meaning for dour in English also.
-Original Message-
From: Paulo de Souza Lima [mailto:paulo.s.l...@varekai.org]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 15:10
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; dennis.hamil...@acm.org
Subject: Re: Dealing with a large and diverse project - Native
Well I think this issue is quite clear for me, and I feel able to showm how
things work for those who wants to help, here in Brazil.
Thank you very much for your help.
2012/5/20 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima
paulo.s.l...@varekai.org wrote:
2012/5/18 Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org:
I opened a JIRA issue:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4816
Wow! You was more fast that me, Pedro. I was writing now an issue for this. :-)
Thanks,
Claudio
2012/5/20 win wmbo...@gmail.com
On 05/20/2012 04:11 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima wrote:
The fact is: there's a lot of people helping AOO and you don't really know
them. And they don't want to fill a form to officially help AOO or Apache
Foundation. But it would be good to see they are recognized
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From: Paulo de Souza Lima [mailto:paulo.s.l...@varekai.org]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 16:52
To: win
Cc: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Dealing with a large and diverse project - Native Languages and
project teams
[ ... ]
In
2012/5/20 Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
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From: Paulo de Souza Lima [mailto:paulo.s.l...@varekai.org]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 16:52
To: win
Cc: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Dealing with a large and diverse project
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima
paulo.s.l...@varekai.org wrote:
2012/5/20 win wmbo...@gmail.com
On 05/20/2012 04:11 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima wrote:
The fact is: there's a lot of people helping AOO and you don't really know
them. And they don't want to fill a form to
2012/5/20 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima
paulo.s.l...@varekai.org wrote:
snip
Me, Claudio, Albino, Raul and Kayo are already doing that. We don't want
to
play the proxy role, so we don't have any private lists. All we
discuss
in
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima
paulo.s.l...@varekai.org wrote:
2012/5/20 Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
orcnote inline=true /
-Original Message-
From: Paulo de Souza Lima [mailto:paulo.s.l...@varekai.org]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 16:52
To: win
On 05/20/2012 04:11 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima wrote:
The fact is: there's a lot of people helping AOO and you don't really know
them. And they don't want to fill a form to officially help AOO or Apache
Foundation. But it would be good to see they are recognized as helpers,
or contributors, or
Hi,
Recently there has been some discussion on the projects private ML
regarding issues about native language groups and how best to support
work groups which will by definition be somewhat circumscribed from the
whole by virtue of language without losing the cohesion of a single
project focus.
2012/5/18 drew jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com
Hi,
Recently there has been some discussion on the projects private ML
regarding issues about native language groups and how best to support
work groups which will by definition be somewhat circumscribed from the
whole by virtue of language
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:55 AM, drew jensen
drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Recently there has been some discussion on the projects private ML
regarding issues about native language groups and how best to support
work groups which will by definition be somewhat circumscribed from the
On Fri, 2012-05-18 at 11:08 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:55 AM, drew jensen
drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Recently there has been some discussion on the projects private ML
regarding issues about native language groups and how best to support
work groups
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:20 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
On Fri, 2012-05-18 at 11:08 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:55 AM, drew jensen
drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Recently there has been some discussion on the projects private ML
regarding issues
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:20 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
On Fri, 2012-05-18 at 11:08 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:55 AM, drew jensen
drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Recently there has been some discussion on the projects private ML
regarding issues
On Fri, 2012-05-18 at 11:29 -0400, Donald Whytock wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:20 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
On Fri, 2012-05-18 at 11:08 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:55 AM, drew jensen
drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Recently there has been
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:38 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
On Fri, 2012-05-18 at 11:29 -0400, Donald Whytock wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:20 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
On Fri, 2012-05-18 at 11:08 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:55 AM, drew jensen
On Fri, 2012-05-18 at 11:36 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:20 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
On Fri, 2012-05-18 at 11:08 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:55 AM, drew jensen
drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Recently there has been some
On Fri, 2012-05-18 at 11:44 -0400, Donald Whytock wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:38 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
On Fri, 2012-05-18 at 11:29 -0400, Donald Whytock wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:20 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
On Fri, 2012-05-18 at 11:08 -0400, Rob
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:48 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
On Fri, 2012-05-18 at 11:36 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:20 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
On Fri, 2012-05-18 at 11:08 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:55 AM, drew jensen
2012/5/18 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
snip
Not really. I'm not presuming to say what others should or should not
want to do. And I'm not going to speculate on what the project
wants to do, whatever the heck that means.
Let's not speculate or deal in hypothetical about how some
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima
paulo.s.l...@varekai.org wrote:
2012/5/18 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
snip
Not really. I'm not presuming to say what others should or should not
want to do. And I'm not going to speculate on what the project
wants to do, whatever the
Hi,
Rob Weir schrieb:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima
paulo.s.l...@varekai.org wrote:
2012/5/18 Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org
snip
Not really. I'm not presuming to say what others should or should not
want to do. And I'm not going to speculate on what the project
2012/5/18 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima
paulo.s.l...@varekai.org wrote:
2012/5/18 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
snip
But what do you want to do?
I want to upgrade Mediawiki to MW 1.19.x or, if it's not possible, at least
to 1.17.4, and
2012/5/18 Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de
Hi,
snip
It is possible to work on Media-Wiki without English skills. You only need
a small sheet with basic formatting commands. The UI of the Wiki uses
native language. I don't know how many languages are supported, but I see a
lot in
Rob has provided clear answers to many of the questions raised. I want to
address the choice and use of languages.
I have been on the Apache OpenOffice project since it was proposed to the
Apache Software Foundation (ASF) at the beginning of June, 2011. I am not a
Member or officer of the
Hello;
--- Ven 18/5/12, Paulo de Souza Lima ha scritto:
...
But what do you want to do?
I want to upgrade Mediawiki to MW 1.19.x or, if it's not
possible, at least to 1.17.4, and install some useful
extensions. This shall not impact any actual function,
but will provide us tools to
On Fri, 2012-05-18 at 13:24 -0700, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
Hello;
--- Ven 18/5/12, Paulo de Souza Lima ha scritto:
...
But what do you want to do?
I want to upgrade Mediawiki to MW 1.19.x or, if it's not
possible, at least to 1.17.4, and install some useful
extensions. This
Hi Drew;
--- Ven 18/5/12, drew d...@baseanswers.com ha scritto:
...
I opened a JIRA issue:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4816
I think infra has actually no obligation to work
on this as MW is not officially supported here. I
even volunteered to help but I actually
It seems to me that the volunteers can do what those volunteers wish to do. As
long as there is no contribution to materials and code under the custody of the
project, it doesn't matter.
So is something else wanted, such as identification with Apache OpenOffice?
Some sort of official
On Fri, 2012-05-18 at 13:30 -0700, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
Hi Drew;
--- Ven 18/5/12, drew d...@baseanswers.com ha scritto:
...
I opened a JIRA issue:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4816
I think infra has actually no obligation to work
on this as MW is not
Hi Pedro.
I am available to help in anything you need. In fact updating and
installing extensions is an easy job. Don't worry.
2012/5/18 Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org
Hello;
--- Ven 18/5/12, Paulo de Souza Lima ha scritto:
...
But what do you want to do?
I want to upgrade
On May 18, 2012, at 8:44 AM, Donald Whytock wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:38 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
On Fri, 2012-05-18 at 11:29 -0400, Donald Whytock wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:20 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
On Fri, 2012-05-18 at 11:08 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
On May 18, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
3 - Some of them, even knowing English language, have difficulties to reach
this list because they feel, let's say, unconfortable in dealing with
famous people like many of you. =) Apache seems to be a serious place
(maybe too serious) for those
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