On 20/01/2012 Andre Fischer wrote:
It's done. I just checked in the CoinMP replacement of the former
lp_solve library.
Thanks! I updated
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/IP_Clearance+Impact
to reflect this and other recent changes.
Regards,
Andrea.
on this. I do not intend to alter
the general behavior of how external libraries are
handled. I only want to change the directory where
the already existing modules will be located that
build the external libraries.
And just to be clear I am OK with your proposal.
There are pending issues
Jeez Rob,
I'm tired of this. I am trying to put a full stop at the end of this.
I say again.
What I, and I guess many other ASF Members, will want to avoid is to
make it easier to modify code and archive it here as a fork than it is
to work at getting the patches committed upstream.
Where
On 13 January 2012 18:36, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 13 January 2012 17:38, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
You are trying to argue the necessity point.
I'm not arguing any point. I'm asking
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 13 January 2012 18:36, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 13 January 2012 17:38, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
You are
On 12.01.2012 20:59, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
--- Gio 12/1/12, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org ha scritto:
...
If you look carefully, you'll see that SVN, via the website
stuff that is now there, has tons of content now that is in
incompatible licenses, in the form of GPL and other licensed
On 1/12/12 9:29 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Pedro Giffunip...@apache.org wrote:
--- Gio 12/1/12, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org ha scritto:
...
If you look carefully, you'll see that SVN, via the website
stuff that is now there, has tons of content now that is in
On 13 January 2012 01:31, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
It was said in reply to the VP Legal
affairs saying That [holding MPL code in SVN] normally is highly
discouraged / not allowed.
You are putting
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 6:16 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 13 January 2012 01:31, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
It was said in reply to the VP Legal
affairs saying That [holding MPL
On 13.01.2012 13:31, Rob Weir wrote:
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 6:16 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 13 January 2012 01:31, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
It was said in reply to the VP
On 13 January 2012 12:31, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 6:16 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 13 January 2012 01:31, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
It was
, which is
why we've had GPL code amongst other code in there.
- Original Message -
From: Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: Category-B tarballs in SVN (was Re: External libraries)
On 13
: Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: Category-B tarballs in SVN (was Re: External libraries)
On 13 January 2012 12:31, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 6:16 AM, Ross Gardler
--- Ven 13/1/12, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com ha scritto:
that is a very important point and we should keep the
practical relevance in mind.
I normally build with --with-dmake-url to test this because
it is currently very important for people who wants to start
building
--- Ven 13/1/12, Andre Fischer a...@a-w-f.de ha scritto:
...
I think the issue is very easy to resolve: drop the
tarballs from SVN and provide sufficient instructions
so that the people doing the builds can download the
tarballs themselves: we even have nice fetch_tarball.sh
script
On 13 January 2012 14:43, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
...
If I were on the IPMC, and AOO came up for graduation, I wouldn't be
too concerned out the MPL license category being in SVN, so long as
the releases were in policy and so long as the PPMC could demonstrate
how they are
Hello;
--- Ven 13/1/12, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com ha scritto:
It's certainly an edge case, and I'm not completely convinced
that I agree with you about it Ross. The ASF's position
on svn distributions is that you can put anything in there
that you like, provided we have the legal
.
From: Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: Category-B tarballs in SVN (was Re: External libraries)
Hello;
--- Ven 13/1/12, Joe Schaefer joe_schae
--- Ven 13/1/12, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com ha scritto:
...
Can someone please explain why it is necessary to have the
code here
at all? Why is it not pulled from the upstream project?
It is there only for convenience: to make it easier to fetch
and maintain.
I think it's
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 13 January 2012 14:43, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
...
If I were on the IPMC, and AOO came up for graduation, I wouldn't be
too concerned out the MPL license category being in SVN, so long as
the
If you are asking me (and only me);
--- Ven 13/1/12, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com ha scritto:
Why hasn't there been a LEGAL jira
issue
filed about this at this point? As I said
it's a gray area that I'm certain the IPMC
has no existing governing policy on, and I'm also
certain that
: Category-B tarballs in SVN (was Re: External libraries)
If you are asking me (and only me);
--- Ven 13/1/12, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com ha scritto:
Why hasn't there been a LEGAL jira
issue
filed about this at this point? As I said
it's a gray area that I'm certain the IPMC
has
: External libraries)
If you are asking me (and only me);
--- Ven 13/1/12, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com ha scritto:
Why hasn't there been a LEGAL jira
issue
filed about this at this point? As I said
it's a gray area that I'm certain the IPMC
has no existing governing policy
On 1/13/12 3:42 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
--- Ven 13/1/12, Andre Fischera...@a-w-f.de ha scritto:
...
I think the issue is very easy to resolve: drop the
tarballs from SVN and provide sufficient instructions
so that the people doing the builds can download the
tarballs themselves: we even
.
From: Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: Category-B tarballs in SVN (was Re: External libraries)
On 1/13/12 3:42 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
--- Ven 13/1/12, Andre Fischera
On 13.01.2012 16:25, Ross Gardler wrote:
For what it is worth, I agree with Joe here. The question is whether there
is a valid reason to keep them here.
I don't know if the reasons are valid. We are trying to find a
pragmatical solution that is a good compromise for the different
On 13.01.2012 15:59, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
--- Ven 13/1/12, Ross Gardlerrgard...@opendirective.com ha scritto:
...
Can someone please explain why it is necessary to have the
code here
at all? Why is it not pulled from the upstream project?
It is there only for convenience: to make it
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On Jan 13, 2012 4:02 PM, Andre Fischer a...@a-w-f.de wrote:
On 13.01.2012 16:25, Ross Gardler wrote:
For what it is worth, I agree with Joe here. The question is whether
there
is a valid reason to keep them here.
I don't know
From: Andre Fischer a...@a-w-f.de
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: Category-B tarballs in SVN (was Re: External libraries)
On 13.01.2012 15:59, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
--- Ven 13/1/12, Ross Gardlerrgard
- Original Message -
From: Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: Category-B tarballs in SVN (was Re: External libraries)
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On Jan 13, 2012 4:02 PM, Andre Fischer a...@a-w-f.de wrote:
On 13.01.2012 16:25, Ross Gardler wrote:
For what it is worth, I agree with Joe here.
that circumstance
over what appears to be a simple disagreement.
- Original Message -
From: Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Category-B tarballs in SVN (was Re: External libraries)
--- Ven 13/1/12
Hello Joe;
--- Ven 13/1/12, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com ha scritto:
Please do not step down from the PPMC
Pedro,
you have done good work here and it is very important
that the PPMC consist of such people going forward.
Creating a class of active committers who are not
on the
On 13 January 2012 16:28, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On Jan 13, 2012 4:02 PM, Andre Fischer a...@a-w-f.de wrote:
On 13.01.2012 16:25, Ross
Giffuni p...@apache.org
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Category-B tarballs in SVN (was Re: External libraries)
--- Ven 13/1/12, Jürgen Schmidt ha scritto:
...
well that is a valid point that comes into my mind as well
when I have
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 13 January 2012 16:28, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On Jan
Am Freitag, 13. Januar 2012 schrieb Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org:
--- Ven 13/1/12, Jürgen Schmidt ha scritto:
...
well that is a valid point that comes into my mind as well
when I have read the mails and thought a little bit longer.
If that is the only reason than we can move it besides
On 13 January 2012 17:38, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
You are trying to argue the necessity point.
I'm not arguing any point. I'm asking questions so that I might
understand what the sticking point is.
Ross
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 13 January 2012 17:38, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
You are trying to argue the necessity point.
I'm not arguing any point. I'm asking questions so that I might
understand what the sticking point is.
Am Freitag, 13. Januar 2012 schrieb Rob Weir robw...@apache.org:
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 13 January 2012 17:38, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
You are trying to argue the necessity point.
I'm not arguing any point. I'm asking
and costly to
recover from is an appropriate risk-management consideration.
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Pedro Giffuni [mailto:p...@apache.org]
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 08:32
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Category-B tarballs in SVN (was Re: External libraries
Hi Dennis;
--- Ven 13/1/12, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org ha scritto:
Pedro,
That seems like a silly reason to step down from the
PPMC.
Nothing discussed here has involved a vote and it is not an
ooo-private discussion.
There is no obligation to vote on any issue and an
disagreement.
- Original Message -
From: Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Category-B tarballs in SVN (was Re: External libraries)
--- Ven 13/1/12, Jürgen Schmidt ha scritto:
...
well
Pedro,
+1000 to your plan. It is another step in the correct direction.
Best Regards,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 13, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:
Hi Dennis;
--- Ven 13/1/12, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org ha scritto:
Pedro,
That seems like a
new external libraries. Existing modules in main/,
like moz or cairo, can be moved later.
Any comments, objections, questions for more information?
Regards,
Andre
and, when the need
arises, for other new external libraries. Existing modules in main/,
like moz or cairo, can be moved later.
Any comments, objections, questions for more information?
+1 sounds like a very good idea to cleanup the source tree further and
make the strucutre more intuitive (at least
and then to add modules for coinmp and, when the need arises, for
other new external libraries. Existing modules in main/, like moz or cairo,
can be moved later.
Any comments, objections, questions for more information?
What is the difference then between ext_sources and ext_libraries?
How do you
it into our build
system and then to add modules for coinmp and, when the need arises, for
other new external libraries. Existing modules in main/, like moz or cairo,
can be moved later.
Any comments, objections, questions for more information?
What is the difference then between ext_sources
--- Gio 12/1/12, Andre Fischer a...@a-w-f.de ha scritto:
...
What is the difference then between ext_sources and
ext_libraries?
How do you decide which goes where?
ext_sources contains (and will contain) the source code
archives.
I hate to make developer's life difficult but, from
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:
--- Gio 12/1/12, Andre Fischer a...@a-w-f.de ha scritto:
...
What is the difference then between ext_sources and
ext_libraries?
How do you decide which goes where?
ext_sources contains (and will contain) the source
tarballs in a way that makes it clear
they are special and will not accidentally be mixed in with the ALv2
source
3) Do maintain the LICENSE and NOTICE files so they remain accurate
Just to be clear on this. I do not intend to alter the general behavior
of how external libraries are handled. I
--- Gio 12/1/12, Andre Fischer a...@a-w-f.de ha scritto:
...
Just to be clear on this. I do not intend to alter
the general behavior of how external libraries are
handled. I only want to change the directory where
the already existing modules will be located that
build the external
--- Gio 12/1/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org ha scritto:
...
I hate to make developer's life difficult but, from
what is known, no Apache Project seems to be carrying
Category B software in their repositories (feel free
to prove me wrong). Not that it's a new problem, just
something
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:
--- Gio 12/1/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org ha scritto:
...
I hate to make developer's life difficult but, from
what is known, no Apache Project seems to be carrying
Category B software in their repositories (feel
--- Gio 12/1/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org ha scritto:
...
Also, the MPL license requires that we make our
modified
files available electronically for 12 months.
Thank you for pointing this out.
This sounds pretty much unacceptable for Apache
policies and a good reason to avoid
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:
--- Gio 12/1/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org ha scritto:
...
Also, the MPL license requires that we make our
modified
files available electronically for 12 months.
Thank you for pointing this out.
This sounds
--- Gio 12/1/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org ha scritto:
...
If you look carefully, you'll see that SVN, via the website
stuff that is now there, has tons of content now that is in
incompatible licenses, in the form of GPL and other licensed
documentation. Ditto for the wiki. Ditto for
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:
--- Gio 12/1/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org ha scritto:
...
If you look carefully, you'll see that SVN, via the website
stuff that is now there, has tons of content now that is in
incompatible licenses, in the form of
Pedro Giffuni wrote:
--- Gio 12/1/12, Rob Weir ha scritto:
Also, the MPL license requires that we make our modified
files available electronically for 12 months.
Thank you for pointing this out.
This sounds pretty much unacceptable for Apache policies
Anyway this could be solved by the MPL
On 12 January 2012 19:28, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
...
You were looking for an opinion for Apache Legal. Robert is a member
of Apache Legal Affairs, not Ross.
This is not correct. Neither of us is a member of the committee. We
are both on the legal lists (I'm not sure if Robert is
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 12 January 2012 19:28, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
...
You were looking for an opinion for Apache Legal. Robert is a member
of Apache Legal Affairs, not Ross.
This is not correct. Neither of us is a
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 12 January 2012 19:28, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
...
You were looking for an opinion for Apache Legal. Robert is a member
of Apache Legal Affairs, not Ross.
This is not correct. Neither of us is a
On 12 January 2012 19:59, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:
--- Gio 12/1/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org ha scritto:
...
...
I'm happy to have someone review the issue, if you can
state what the policy issue is. I simply don't see any
problem here. We're not including category-b
On 12 January 2012 23:50, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 12 January 2012 19:28, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
...
You were looking for an opinion for Apache Legal. Robert is a member
of Apache
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 12 January 2012 23:50, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 12 January 2012 19:28, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
...
You
On 13 January 2012 00:09, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 12 January 2012 23:50, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 12
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 13 January 2012 00:09, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 12 January 2012 23:50, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan
On 13 January 2012 00:23, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 13 January 2012 00:09, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 12
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 13 January 2012 00:23, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 13 January 2012 00:09, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan
Hi,
--- Gio 12/1/12, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org ha scritto:
...
Pedro Giffuni wrote:
--- Gio 12/1/12, Rob Weir ha scritto:
Also, the MPL license requires that we make our
modified
files available electronically for 12 months.
Thank you for pointing this out.
This sounds
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