Re: [osol-discuss] Re: 3K man pages available

2007-01-30 Thread Moinak Ghosh
Joerg Schilling wrote: Roland Mainz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Correct me if I am wrong... the 3K manual page archive for developers has nothing todo with Solaris install... right ? (And bzip2 on SPARC could be tweaked to run a little bit faster anyway). I vote to use bzip2 to compress all

[osol-discuss] Need Help on device structure

2007-01-30 Thread Masthan, Dudekula (STSD)
Hi All, I opened a device ( in raw mode) and I filled the entire space (from 1 block to last block) with some random data. While writing data, I am seeing the following warning messages in dmesg buffer. Jan 30 08:32:36 masthan scsi: [ID 107833 kern.warning] WARNING: /scsi_vhci/[EMAIL

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal -- Honeycomb Information and dev tools

2007-01-30 Thread Alan Burlison
Peter Buckingham wrote: Let me give some more details about Honeycomb. It is a Solaris appliance. We have modified solaris to run as a ramdisk image, we have our own clustering enviroment running on our hardware (typically a 16 way cluster), we have a self-healing software stack running on

Re: [osol-discuss] Need Help on device structure

2007-01-30 Thread James C. McPherson
Masthan, Dudekula (STSD) wrote: Hi All, I opened a device ( in raw mode) and I filled the entire space (from 1 block to last block) with some random data. While writing data, I am seeing the following warning messages in dmesg buffer. Jan 30 08:32:36 masthan scsi: [ID 107833 kern.warning]

Re: [osol-discuss] Status of Power PC port?

2007-01-30 Thread ken mays
Dennis Clarke wrote: ken mays wrote: [snip] 5. Support for PowerPC G4 to G5 (PPC750GX) Will Apple G3 machines still be supported ? probably not for a lng time Why (I still have the chance to get an older Apple G3-based IMac... question is whether it makes sense to buy it...) ?

[osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal -- Honeycomb Information and dev tools

2007-01-30 Thread Dean Roehrich
stephen lau wrote: Why do you need to wait for agreement on the SDK before you open source parts of Honeycomb? Are there legal issues? If there aren't legal encumberances, then just publish the code. If there are, then sort them out - and then come back and propose the project. I just

[osol-discuss] Cursor problem in Gnome

2007-01-30 Thread Lars Frantzen
Hi all, I have a quite disturbing problem with the cursor under Gnome. When I use applications under Gnome like Evolution, Firefox, etc., the cursor is somehow not moved correctly to the next position, a copy remains and makes the text quite unreadable. The problem does not show up in, e.g.,

Re: [osol-discuss] An opensource Sparc system...

2007-01-30 Thread Javier O. Augusto
Martin Bochnig wrote: What an OpenSolaris-list, where only a smal number of hardcore SPARC enthusiasts seems to be left. word up! You know what, I was wondering what's with us, SPARCs hardcore admins who still runs and maintains a bunch of boxes out there.. Still no big news about supporting new

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal -- Honeycomb Information and dev tools

2007-01-30 Thread Peter Buckingham
Hi Alan (and Steve) Alan Burlison wrote: I agree with Steve about this - unless you are going to release some code as open source, the project doesn't belong on opensolaris.org. A SDK and API isn't sufficient. Hell, we have released the Solaris APIs for as long as Solaris has existed, in

Re: [osol-discuss] An opensource Sparc system...

2007-01-30 Thread Joerg Schilling
Martin Bochnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds _very_ interesting. But I have to admit, that I'm not totally sure, if I'm already qualified enough. Lack of time would be the next problem. What an OpenSolaris-list, where only a smal number of hardcore SPARC enthusiasts seems to be

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal -- Honeycomb Information and dev tools

2007-01-30 Thread John Plocher
Peter Buckingham wrote: Finally, I'm not trying to pressure anyone into giving a +1. We have a complicated system in Honeycomb, we believe that we have useful things to offer the OpenSolaris community in the way we have embedded Solaris into a distributed storage cluster. This proposal

Fw: [osol-discuss] An opensource Sparc system...

2007-01-30 Thread Octave Orgeron
I run SX:CR on my Sun Blade 2000, compaq laptop, and a vmware instance for my work laptop. I do agree that there needs to be parity between the platforms. A good example is how CD audio works fine on x86 with build 54, but not on my SB2k. It's little things like that which should not be

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal -- Honeycomb Information and dev tools

2007-01-30 Thread Peter Buckingham
Hi John, you seem to have summed up the situation reasonably well. I have a few comments in-line below. John Plocher wrote: You seem to be lacking a few important things, though: A vision/roadmap for an open community that is more than a Sun Honeycomb Product Enthusiast Group, and

Re: Fw: [osol-discuss] An opensource Sparc system...

2007-01-30 Thread Rich Teer
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007, Octave Orgeron wrote: Ideally, I'd like to see something like this: T1 (4 core) 8GB RAM (max) 2 x SAS drives 1 x DVD-RW 3D Nvidia Card (Dual DVI) 2 x USB for keyboard/mouse 4 x USB 2.0 for devices 2 x Firewire 2 x 10/100/1000 Ethernet ports 1 x Wireless card 2

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal -- Honeycomb Information and dev tools

2007-01-30 Thread Stephen Hahn
* Peter Buckingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-01-30 10:28]: I guess the decision the Open Solaris community needs to make is if it is about building developer communities for Solaris-based appliances, or if there is a more appropriate place to do this... I don't have an opinion on the

[osol-discuss] Re: Fw: An opensource Sparc system...

2007-01-30 Thread Octave Orgeron
Hi, 1. I'm not sure that desktop use is a good match for the T1, at least not yet. Yeah, the T2 would probably be a better processor. The US3i's I don't think would be a good match other. Having multi-core I think is important though. 2. Please, no external PSUs! I HATE those wall-wart

Re: [osol-discuss] those sccs man pages

2007-01-30 Thread Joerg Schilling
Michelle Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Joerg, Actually, all the pages you were looking for (except sccs.1 and sccs-admin.1) were delivered in this drop. Prepend 'sccs-' to find them, sccs-cdc.1, sccs-comb.1, etc. As for sccs.1 we need to do some investigation, for sccs-admin.1 we

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Fw: An opensource Sparc system...

2007-01-30 Thread Casper . Dik
2. Please, no external PSUs! I HATE those wall-wart things! The only reason an external PS might be required is the space issue. But then again, I agree that it's a pain and should be avoided if possible. Perhaps Andy B. can fix that? I've never understood why people would *want* external

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Fw: An opensource Sparc system...

2007-01-30 Thread Peter Buckingham
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Please, no external PSUs! I HATE those wall-wart things! The only reason an external PS might be required is the space issue. But then again, I agree that it's a pain and should be avoided if possible. Perhaps Andy B. can fix that? I've never understood why people

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Fw: An opensource Sparc system...

2007-01-30 Thread Octave Orgeron
What about ionic fans (no blades) and heat pipes to draw the heat away from the cpu and asics? Could probably do the same for the PSU and keep it integrated. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal -- Honeycomb Information and dev tools

2007-01-30 Thread Stephen Lau
Hi Peter, It seems like a lot of what you want to accomplish could be done within the realms of the 'Appliances'[1] community. If the discussion leads to a point where you have code to release, or a more committed open development model - then it would be easy to then open a Honeycomb

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Fw: An opensource Sparc system...

2007-01-30 Thread Bart Smaalders
Octave Orgeron wrote: Hi, purple/blue led's, lit sun logo, etc. It should be extremely quiet and The lit Sun logo is one of the coolest things I like about the SB1000. :-) It's the feature I love the most about my SB2k:) That would be the glogo. - Bart -- Bart Smaalders

Re: [osol-discuss] An opensource Sparc system...

2007-01-30 Thread Joerg Schilling
Javier O. Augusto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Bochnig wrote: What an OpenSolaris-list, where only a smal number of hardcore SPARC enthusiasts seems to be left. word up! You know what, I was wondering what's with us, SPARCs hardcore admins who still runs and maintains a bunch of boxes

Re: [osol-discuss] An opensource Sparc system...

2007-01-30 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Martin Bochnig wrote: What an OpenSolaris-list, where only a smal number of hardcore SPARC enthusiasts seems to be left. There's probably a lot more SPARC users/fans/enthusiasts here than people who want to get involved in SPARC hardware design - I'd expect OpenSPARC to attract more of those

[osol-discuss] Re: ETA for SX:CR B56

2007-01-30 Thread Tim Cook
poster above said ~2weeks? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] An opensource Sparc system...

2007-01-30 Thread Joerg Schilling
repost due to wrong Cc: list in your mail Octave Orgeron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I run SX:CR on my Sun Blade 2000, compaq laptop, and a vmware instance for my work laptop. I do agree that there needs to be parity between the platforms. A good example is how CD audio works fine on x86

Re: [osol-discuss] ETA for SX:CR B56

2007-01-30 Thread Stephen Lau
Ben Rockwood wrote: Is there an ETA for SX:CR B56? I've got a lot of things on hold for this release. I know the B55 respin threw a wrench in the works, but any updates or best guesses as to when we'll see 56 would be appreciated. benr. This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] An opensource Sparc system...

2007-01-30 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Bochnig wrote: What an OpenSolaris-list, where only a smal number of hardcore SPARC enthusiasts seems to be left. There's probably a lot more SPARC users/fans/enthusiasts here than people who want to get involved in SPARC hardware design -

[osol-discuss] Free Linux Driver Development

2007-01-30 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Opensolaris-discuss, http://www.kroah.com/log/2007/01/29/#free_drivers -- Best regards, Robert mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://milek.blogspot.com ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing

[osol-discuss] SXCR Build 56 available

2007-01-30 Thread Derek Cicero
Please find the links to SXCR Build 56 at http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/on/. - Derek -- Derek Cicero Program Manager Solaris Kernel Group, Software Division ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] SXCR Build 56 available

2007-01-30 Thread Dennis Clarke
Please find the links to SXCR Build 56 at http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/on/. Issues Resolved: BUG/RFE:6497646prtdiag output formats are different on ontario and erie Files Changed: update:usr/src/lib/libprtdiag_psr/sparc/ontario/common/erie.c

[osol-discuss] Re: SXCR Build 56 available

2007-01-30 Thread Ben Rockwood
w00t! This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Stephen Harpster
p In the last few months I've seen more and more speculation about the prospect of dual-licensing OpenSolaris under a href=http://gplv3.fsf.org/;GPLv3/a. In November a href=http://www.sun.com/2006-1113/feature/index.jsp; Jonathan very publically asked Rich if he would look into it/a, and

Re: [osol-discuss] SXCR Build 56 available

2007-01-30 Thread Ian Collins
Derek Cicero wrote: Please find the links to SXCR Build 56 at http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/on/. I'm getting 500 Error - Web Site is Temporarily Unavailable The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again

[osol-discuss] Re: GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread John Sonnenschein
*sigh* here we go with this again... *Dons asbestos suit in preparation for the ensuing flamewar* This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Dennis Clarke
In the last few months I've seen more and more speculation about the prospect of dual-licensing OpenSolaris under a href=http://gplv3.fsf.org/;GPLv3/a. In November a href=http://www.sun.com/2006-1113/feature/index.jsp; Jonathan very publically asked Rich if he would look into it/a, and

[Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-01-30 Thread Stephen Harpster
Ugh. Here's the de-HTML'ed one Sorry. In the last few months I've seen more and more speculation about the prospect of dual-licensing OpenSolaris under GPLv3. In November Jonathan very publically asked Rich if he would look into it, and everyone knows that we are fully engaged in the

Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Stefan Teleman
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 19:44, Stephen Harpster wrote: I think that we (we being all of you) should be asking ourselves what we think about GPLv3. What would it mean to the community if we dual-licensed? It's now a possibility that we could attach an assembly exception to the GPLv3 which

Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Stephen Lau
Dennis Clarke wrote: In the last few months I've seen more and more speculation about the prospect of dual-licensing OpenSolaris under a href=http://gplv3.fsf.org/;GPLv3/a. In November a href=http://www.sun.com/2006-1113/feature/index.jsp; Jonathan very publically asked Rich if he would look

Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Ian Collins
Stephen Lau wrote: You seem to have misread the email. Stephen (Harpster)'s email is explicitly asking the community to get involved in the discussion. As the copyright holder - yes, only Sun can make the actual license switch - but this is not a unilateral executive decision. Does that

Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Stephen Lau
Ian Collins wrote: Stephen Lau wrote: You seem to have misread the email. Stephen (Harpster)'s email is explicitly asking the community to get involved in the discussion. As the copyright holder - yes, only Sun can make the actual license switch - but this is not a unilateral executive

Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Peter Buckingham
Stephen Lau wrote: Ian Collins wrote: Stephen Lau wrote: You seem to have misread the email. Stephen (Harpster)'s email is explicitly asking the community to get involved in the discussion. As the copyright holder - yes, only Sun can make the actual license switch - but this is not a

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-01-30 Thread David Lloyd
Stephen. I think that we (we being all of you) should be asking ourselves what we think about GPLv3. What would it mean to the community if we dual-licensed? It's now a possibility that we could attach an assembly exception to the GPLv3 which would let us mix GPL and CDDL code. This could

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-01-30 Thread Ignacio Marambio Catán
On 1/30/07, Stephen Harpster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ugh. Here's the de-HTML'ed one Sorry. In the last few months I've seen more and more speculation about the prospect of dual-licensing OpenSolaris under GPLv3. In November Jonathan very publically asked Rich if he would look into

[osol-discuss] Re: GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread John Sonnenschein
+1 from here as well with one caveat. GIVE US libc_i18n.a... if Sun cares about open-source at all, they'll hire a guy to reimpliment the *one* piece of code preventing us from making a distro that doesn't explicitly depend on Sun's engineers. This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Erast Benson
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 16:44 -0800, Stephen Harpster wrote: I think that we (we being all of you) should be asking ourselves what we think about GPLv3. What would it mean to the community if we dual-licensed? It's now a possibility that we could attach an assembly exception to the GPLv3

[osol-discuss] Re: GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Shawn Walker
I can't commit to GPLv3 until I see the final license. At this point, I'm not particularly interested. I see little benefit to our community and the potential for other communities to succeed at the expense of ours. The problem I see with dual licensing is a situation where we end up with

Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 04:54 pm, Dennis Clarke wrote: (1) The only Rich that has meaning in this OpenSolaris Community is Rich Teer. Mr Green, as far as I know, has never made an appearance here. So I don't know which end of the dog is wagging the tail here. Actually, Rich Green

Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Dennis Clarke
I think that we (we being all of you) should be asking ourselves what we think about GPLv3. What would it mean to the community if we dual-licensed? It's now a possibility that we could attach an assembly exception to the GPLv3 which would let us mix GPL and CDDL code. This could open up a

Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Dennis Clarke
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 04:54 pm, Dennis Clarke wrote: (1) The only Rich that has meaning in this OpenSolaris Community is Rich Teer. Mr Green, as far as I know, has never made an appearance here. So I don't know which end of the dog is wagging the tail here. Actually, Rich

[osol-discuss] Re: Happy to say I'm posting this from Nexenta!

2007-01-30 Thread George Crandall
Why don't you format your page so that it does not run out of the screen view This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Stephen Harpster
Dennis Clarke wrote: Two things come to mind right away : (1) The only Rich that has meaning in this OpenSolaris Community is Rich Teer. Mr Green, as far as I know, has never made an appearance here. So I don't know which end of the dog is wagging the tail here. If you follow the

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-01-30 Thread Stephen Harpster
Yeah, it's confusing because v3 isn't final and decided yet. We kinda know where it's going though. We were expecting a final version by now, but one hasn't popped out yet. I think it's worth having this discussion now though rather than waiting some indeterminate time. I'm not asking how

[osol-discuss] Re: GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread De Togni Giacomo
For me the issue is to try to clarify what is the OpenSolaris community. If this community is simply a project free of Sun then I think that the addition of the GPLv3 can represent a good strategy of marketing towards the free world. But if the community is instead, an independent entity I

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Stephen Harpster
Shawn Walker wrote: I can't commit to GPLv3 until I see the final license. At this point, I'm not particularly interested. I see little benefit to our community and the potential for other communities to succeed at the expense of ours. The problem I see with dual licensing is a situation

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Ignacio Marambio Catán
On 1/30/07, Stephen Harpster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: I can't commit to GPLv3 until I see the final license. At this point, I'm not particularly interested. I see little benefit to our community and the potential for other communities to succeed at the expense of ours.

[osol-discuss] Community participation

2007-01-30 Thread Ian Collins
Dennis's post on the GPLv3 thread: Let's fast forward two more years and if we have another mad rush of people NOT joining this project what then? Another marketting fix and we rename this to the Java Enterprise OpenSolaris project with Sun Community Source License ( SCSL ) license added and on

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-01-30 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey, Stephen Harpster wrote: I'm also not asking to replace CDDL. I'm asking if people think it would be a good idea to dual-license OpenSolaris CDDL code with GPLv3. Of course that depends on what the final outcome of GPLv3 is, but assuming it looks close to what it is today, would you

[osol-discuss] Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?]

2007-01-30 Thread Shawn Walker
Hey, Stephen Harpster wrote: I'm also not asking to replace CDDL. I'm asking if people think it would be a good idea to dual-license OpenSolaris CDDL code with GPLv3. Of course that depends on what the final outcome of GPLv3 is, but assuming it looks close to what it is today,

[osol-discuss] Re: Community participation

2007-01-30 Thread Shawn Walker
I think the barriers to contribution are currently the biggest discouragement. Integration of even the smallest changes can take a very long time. Oh, and before I forget, the bug reporting system being out of sync with actual progress does not help at all. -Shawn Message was edited by:

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Shawn Walker
Shawn Walker wrote: I can't commit to GPLv3 until I see the final license. At this point, I'm not particularly interested. I see little benefit to our community and the potential for other communities to succeed at the expense of ours. The problem I see with dual licensing is a

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Shawn Walker
On 1/30/07, Stephen Harpster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: I can't commit to GPLv3 until I see the final license. At this point, I'm not particularly interested. I see little benefit to our community and the potential for other communities to succeed at the

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-01-30 Thread Brian Cameron
Stephen: In my opinion, one concern is how well GPLv3 will be accepted by the FreeSoftware community. In my discussions with maintainers of various FreeSoftware projects (currently under GPLv2), they seem unsure about whether they will want to move to GPLv3 or not. GPLv3 will only be a good

[osol-discuss] Re: Community participation

2007-01-30 Thread S Destika
[b]Do not reply to me, I read the forums - my email address is invalid and I do feel bad I did nothing to fix it. [/b] It was as easy to predict more than a year ago as it is today. In one of my posts I expressed the below (Oct 11, 2005) for which I got flamed more than once - Quote Let Sun

[osol-discuss] Re: Community participation

2007-01-30 Thread Shawn Walker
It was as easy to predict more than a year ago as it is today. In one of my posts I expressed the below (Oct 11, 2005) for which I got flamed more than once - Quote Let Sun create a workable, scalable development model around (Open)Solaris first. I pity the words request sponsor ask

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Eric Enright
On 1/30/07, Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You may not be able to make everyone happy with a single license, but if you can make most people happy... And you likely couldn't make everyone happy with two. I for one am happy with the CDDL, and to date have read nothing which

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Community participation

2007-01-30 Thread Ian Collins
S Destika wrote: As a result, people don't feel like caring for OpenSolaris, if they do, Sun makes sure they go away by doing so much red taping, and the closed development model (no design/implementation discussions, no crisp, flaming hot discussions about how some part of code sucks and how

Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Dennis Clarke wrote: Well its slow. Real real slow. So many things can be done but I personally feel that this project is falling into corporate hands more and more. It feels like a marketing project gone wrong. Hi, Dennis There are many people at Sun who are involved with

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 1/30/07, Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You may not be able to make everyone happy with a single license, but if you can make most people happy... And you likely couldn't make everyone happy with two. I for one am happy with the CDDL, and to date have read nothing which

[osol-discuss] Re: Community participation

2007-01-30 Thread S Destika
I agree with some of your post, but the rest is simply untrue. There are plenty of design and implementation discussions. There have been plenty of good and bad words exchanged as well about particular features, etc. There have been discussions about code that sucks and code that does not.

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-01-30 Thread Erast Benson
On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 11:18 +0800, Brian Cameron wrote: Stephen: In my opinion, one concern is how well GPLv3 will be accepted by the FreeSoftware community. In my discussions with maintainers of various FreeSoftware projects (currently under GPLv2), they seem unsure about whether they

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Eric Enright
On 1/30/07, Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/30/07, Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You may not be able to make everyone happy with a single license, but if you can make most people happy... And you likely couldn't make everyone happy with two. I for one am happy

[osol-discuss] Re: Community participation

2007-01-30 Thread Shawn Walker
I did not see ksh93 discussion went anywhere. Or did it? Also I did not think that ZFS was designed in the open. So yeah, there are some pockets where there is some activity but as I said it is nowhere near where it should be if you are expecting concrete, free flowing contributions from

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-01-30 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Glynn Foster wrote: Hey, Stephen Harpster wrote: I'm also not asking to replace CDDL. I'm asking if people think it would be a good idea to dual-license OpenSolaris CDDL code with GPLv3. Of course that depends on what the final outcome of GPLv3 is, but assuming it looks close to what it

Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Dennis Clarke wrote: So I have been watching this for a while and I think that I have an opinon with at least some value. In my opinion this feels like a marketing idea from the hallways of the same people that put Java in front of everything. Its the latest fad to sell the proect to the

Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread John Sonnenschein
On 30-Jan-07, at 8:23 PM, Jim Grisanzio wrote: Dennis Clarke wrote: So I have been watching this for a while and I think that I have an opinon with at least some value. In my opinion this feels like a marketing idea from the hallways of the same people that put Java in front of

Re: [osol-discuss] Community participation

2007-01-30 Thread Artem Kachitchkine
I got one silly hypothesis, though its validity is greatly offset by my employment and, very likely, my upbringing. One of the most strike contrasts when moving from Russia to a capitalist society was the notion of private property. Skipping the long thought process, it seems to me that

[osol-discuss] Re: GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Shawn Walker
I parsed dennis' gripes as being more an expression that instead of fixing the *real* problems in opensolaris, Sun's just license jumping... it's less work to relicense the code hope Stallman et. al endorse us than it is to fix the code contribution method, or rewrite (or

Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 30-Jan-07, at 8:23 PM, Jim Grisanzio wrote: Dennis Clarke wrote: So I have been watching this for a while and I think that I have an opinon with at least some value. In my opinion this feels like a marketing idea from the hallways of the same people that put Java in front of

Re: [osol-discuss] Community participation

2007-01-30 Thread Dennis Clarke
I got one silly hypothesis, though its validity is greatly offset by my employment and, very likely, my upbringing. One of the most strike contrasts when moving from Russia to a capitalist society was the notion of private property. Skipping the long thought process, it seems to me that

Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Stephen Lau
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 08:38:30PM -0500, Dennis Clarke wrote: You seem to have misread the email. Stephen (Harpster)'s email is explicitly asking the community to get involved in the discussion. As the copyright holder - yes, only Sun can make the actual license switch - but this is not a

[osol-discuss] Re: GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Shawn Walker
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 08:38:30PM -0500, Dennis Clarke wrote: You seem to have misread the email. Stephen (Harpster)'s email is explicitly asking the community to get involved in the discussion. As the copyright holder - yes, only Sun can make the actual license switch - but this

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Community participation

2007-01-30 Thread Stephen Lau
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 07:57:18PM -0800, S Destika wrote: I agree with some of your post, but the rest is simply untrue. There are plenty of design and implementation discussions. There have been plenty of good and bad words exchanged as well about particular features, etc. There

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-01-30 Thread Danek Duvall
Stephen (or Jonathan and Rich via Stephen), what are the problems you're trying to solve with such a licensing change? Are there any, or are you just tossing it up in the air to see where it comes down, and what people say, positive or negative? I think it's difficult to evaluate such a proposal

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-01-30 Thread Dennis Clarke
Stephen (or Jonathan and Rich via Stephen), what are the problems you're trying to solve with such a licensing change? Are there any, or are you just tossing it up in the air to see where it comes down, and what people say, positive or negative? I think it's difficult to evaluate such a

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Bart Smaalders
Shawn Walker wrote: I think we know that. The SUN engineers are great people to work with. The whole closed bins issue though is a real dog. Yes, it's a PITA. However, anyone wishing to code replacements for such bins is _welcome_ to start a project to do this. This would be a great

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-01-30 Thread Erast Benson
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 21:07 -0800, Danek Duvall wrote: Stephen (or Jonathan and Rich via Stephen), what are the problems you're trying to solve with such a licensing change? its obvious... world domination. :-) and license shouldn't be a stopping factor. And that is why Mozilla dual-licensed

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Community participation

2007-01-30 Thread Jim Grisanzio
S Destika wrote: [b]Do not reply to me, I read the forums - my email address is invalid and I do feel bad I did nothing to fix it. [/b] It was as easy to predict more than a year ago as it is today. In one of my posts I expressed the below (Oct 11, 2005) for which I got flamed more than

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Dennis Clarke
Shawn Walker wrote: I think we know that. The SUN engineers are great people to work with. The whole closed bins issue though is a real dog. Yes, it's a PITA. However, anyone wishing to code replacements for such bins is _welcome_ to start a project to do this. This would be a great

Re: [osol-discuss] Community participation

2007-01-30 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Ian Collins wrote: Dennis's post on the GPLv3 thread: Let's fast forward two more years and if we have another mad rush of people NOT joining this project what then? Another marketting fix and we rename this to the Java Enterprise OpenSolaris project with Sun Community Source License ( SCSL )

Re: [osol-discuss] Community participation

2007-01-30 Thread Ian Collins
Artem Kachitchkine wrote: I got one silly hypothesis, though its validity is greatly offset by my employment and, very likely, my upbringing. One of the most strike contrasts when moving from Russia to a capitalist society was the notion of private property. Skipping the long thought

Re: [osol-discuss] Community participation

2007-01-30 Thread Ian Collins
Jim Grisanzio wrote: Ian Collins wrote: Dennis's post on the GPLv3 thread: Let's fast forward two more years and if we have another mad rush of people NOT joining this project what then? Another marketting fix and we rename this to the Java Enterprise OpenSolaris project with Sun

Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?]

2007-01-30 Thread Milan Jurik
Hi Erast, On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 21:07 -0800, Danek Duvall wrote: Stephen (or Jonathan and Rich via Stephen), what are the problems you're trying to solve with such a licensing change? its obvious... world domination. :-) and license shouldn't be a stopping factor. And that is why Mozilla

Re: [osol-discuss] An opensource Sparc system...

2007-01-30 Thread Martin Bochnig
Joerg Schilling wrote: Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Bochnig wrote: What an OpenSolaris-list, where only a smal number of hardcore SPARC enthusiasts seems to be left. There's probably a lot more SPARC users/fans/enthusiasts here than people who want to get

[osol-discuss] Re: Community participation

2007-01-30 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
Would it be possible to develop some kind of scoring of outside contributors (LOC broken down by kernel/driver/libs/apps and new vs bugfixes, say)? That might generate some friendly competition. Further, if that were done in the right way, it could be joined (perhaps by some non-Sun site and with

Re: [osol-discuss] Community participation

2007-01-30 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 06:44 pm, Ian Collins wrote: Like Dennis, I've been here since the pilot, but unlike Dennis, my contribution has been negligible. I would argue that you've been around and a part of the Solaris x86 community for quite some time. It's really not about anyone doing

Re: [osol-discuss] Community participation

2007-01-30 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 08:37 pm, Artem Kachitchkine wrote: Do the community contributors feel at home here? I don't think so. I see Sun's process as being very intimidating. While many of the other open source communities are bold, they're somehow more welcoming. I see OpenSolaris as being

Re: [osol-discuss] Community participation

2007-01-30 Thread Ian Collins
Alan DuBoff wrote: Unlike OpenSolaris, the Linux world has a many corporations paying for work on the kernel, drivers and applications. But Sun has a tremendous amount of engineers working on Solaris, more than any other single company, IMO. I don't dispute that, the fact the Solaris

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Casper . Dik
I think that would be a bad idea too. I think the only way it could work would be for all CDDL code to be dual-licensed. If you allowed just CDDL-only code in or just GPLv3-only code in, then you could easily find yourself having to pick and choose pieces and then ending up with a

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPLv3?

2007-01-30 Thread Casper . Dik
mozilla solved it, and opensolaris is an a position to solve it too since developers contributing code have to sign an agreement. I still think it is a bad idea. There is simply no real benefit. It only works when people actually give back code; if someone decides to fork to a GPLv3/OpenSolaris

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