On 12/09/2007, Giles Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I'll just wait and see what happens out of this...
> >
> > Back and forth they go. Now AMD has announced they intended to allow
> > access to the the 2D and 3D specifications *without* an NDA at today's
> > X Developer Summit in the UK:
>
> > I'll just wait and see what happens out of this...
>
> Back and forth they go. Now AMD has announced they intended to allow
> access to the the 2D and 3D specifications *without* an NDA at today's
> X Developer Summit in the UK:
>
> "The 2D specifications will be released very soon and the 3D o
On 07/09/2007, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 05/09/07, Alan DuBoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Shawn Walker wrote:
> > > So it would seem:
> > > http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/
> > >
> > > If they actually follow through on this, I'd buy a new ATi card in a
>
On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 12:46 +0100, Simon Phipps wrote:
> On Sep 7, 2007, at 12:32, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 11:37 +0100, Alan Burlison wrote:
> >> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> >>
> >>> Maybe I'm bitter and jaded because I'm fed up with the lack of
> >>> responsibility taken b
On Sep 7, 2007, at 12:32, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 11:37 +0100, Alan Burlison wrote:
>> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe I'm bitter and jaded because I'm fed up with the lack of
>>> responsibility taken by the said parties. I'm sorry but if I
>>> fobbed off
>>> responsi
On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 11:37 +0100, Alan Burlison wrote:
> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>
> > Maybe I'm bitter and jaded because I'm fed up with the lack of
> > responsibility taken by the said parties. I'm sorry but if I fobbed off
> > responsibility to the same degree demonstrated by some I would never
Alan Burlison wrote:
> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>
>> Maybe I'm bitter and jaded because I'm fed up with the lack of
>> responsibility taken by the said parties. I'm sorry but if I fobbed off
>> responsibility to the same degree demonstrated by some I would never
>> keep a job.
>
> I've just asked y
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> Maybe I'm bitter and jaded because I'm fed up with the lack of
> responsibility taken by the said parties. I'm sorry but if I fobbed off
> responsibility to the same degree demonstrated by some I would never
> keep a job.
I've just asked you to stop bad-mouthing people, y
On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 09:42 +0100, Alan Burlison wrote:
> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>
> > Yeah, and the current situation has worked so well so far.
> How
> > long did it take for Sun to realise that SPARC isn't the be all and
> end
> > all? when their share price plumited to 1/10th? when man
On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 00:07 -0500, Shawn Walker wrote:
> On 05/09/07, Alan DuBoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Shawn Walker wrote:
> > > So it would seem:
> > > http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/
> > >
> > > If they actually follow through on this, I'd buy a new ATi card in a
>
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> Yeah, and the current situation has worked so well so far. How
> long did it take for Sun to realise that SPARC isn't the be all and end
> all? when their share price plumited to 1/10th? when management finally
> woke up from their opium hazed existance and realise
On 05/09/07, Alan DuBoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Shawn Walker wrote:
> > So it would seem:
> > http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/
> >
> > If they actually follow through on this, I'd buy a new ATi card in a
> > heartbeat.
> >
> > No offense to Intel for the great stuff they'v
On 06/09/07, Kaiwai Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 20:13 -0700, Alan DuBoff wrote:
> > On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> >
> > > Actually, if Sun played it in such a way, Sun would look like the
> > > victim, AMD would look like the irresponsible partner, and
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 15:36 +1200, Ian Collins wrote:
>
>> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>>
>> More twaddle completely unrelated to OpenSolaris.
>>
>> Can you take this uninformed nonsense somewhere else, a long way form here?
>>
>> Ian
>>
>
> Or you could ignore it - woul
On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 15:36 +1200, Ian Collins wrote:
> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>
> More twaddle completely unrelated to OpenSolaris.
>
> Can you take this uninformed nonsense somewhere else, a long way form here?
>
> Ian
Or you could ignore it - would that require some maturity?
Matthew
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On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> Yeah, and the current situation has worked so well so far.
Look, let's just end this conversation on this list, and get back to
OpenSolaris. It's pretty clear that you don't know WTF you're talking
about when it comes to Sun's business, so p
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
More twaddle completely unrelated to OpenSolaris.
Can you take this uninformed nonsense somewhere else, a long way form here?
Ian
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On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 20:13 -0700, Alan DuBoff wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>
> > Actually, if Sun played it in such a way, Sun would look like the
> > victim, AMD would look like the irresponsible partner, and the only
> one
> > who would truly come out worse would be AMD -
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 10:31 -0700, Alan DuBoff wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, you shipped some rebranded 7500 Radeons under another name
>>> as well.
>>
>> Whoopee doo...those are issolated cases.
>
> But cases wh
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> Actually, if Sun played it in such a way, Sun would look like the
> victim, AMD would look like the irresponsible partner, and the only one
> who would truly come out worse would be AMD - as AMD partners would
> question the basis of any relationship wi
On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 10:31 -0700, Alan DuBoff wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>
> > Actually, you shipped some rebranded 7500 Radeons under another name as
> > well.
>
> Whoopee doo...those are issolated cases.
But cases where Sun should have used Nvidia instead.
Matthew
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On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 07:42 -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote:
> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> > Sun refusing to make noise doesn't help either.
>
> I've been staying out of this discussion since I know far too much
> for my own health, but since I'm tired of the bashing, I'll just
> point out that just be
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Shawn Walker wrote:
> * If I have a choice between two pieces of hardware that both have
> really good performance, and roughly the same price, but one has open
> specifications, and one does not, I'm going to go with the one that
> has open specifications. That's why.
Nvidia
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> Actually, you shipped some rebranded 7500 Radeons under another name as
> well.
Whoopee doo...those are issolated cases.
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On 06/09/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >* If I have a choice between two pieces of hardware that both have
> >really good performance, and roughly the same price, but one has open
> >specifications, and one does not, I'm going to go with the one that
> >has open specifications.
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> Sun refusing to make noise doesn't help either.
I've been staying out of this discussion since I know far too much
for my own health, but since I'm tired of the bashing, I'll just
point out that just because you haven't seen Sun do anything doesn't
mean Sun's done nothing.
>* If I have a choice between two pieces of hardware that both have
>really good performance, and roughly the same price, but one has open
>specifications, and one does not, I'm going to go with the one that
>has open specifications. That's why.
Do we expect the specs to be both open and complet
On 06/09/07, UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So it would seem:
> > http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/
> >
> > If they actually follow through on this, I'd buy a
> > new ATi card in a heartbeat.
>
> Why? Nvidia has great support for Solaris. They've done everything *just
> right*, including
On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 05:02 -0700, UNIX admin wrote:
> > I've gone 1 step further; boycott all AMD products -
> > AMD now owns ATI;
> > if management at AMD don't have the melons to lay
> > down the law then
> > maybe a job working for the womens spinners and
> > weavers association is
> > more up
On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 13:51 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >AMD still owns ATI; if AMD management is so incompetant to be unable
> to
> >put their foot down and actually establish who is boss, who own's
> who,
> >then I think they need to give up, go home and take up an interest in
> >knittin
> I've gone 1 step further; boycott all AMD products -
> AMD now owns ATI;
> if management at AMD don't have the melons to lay
> down the law then
> maybe a job working for the womens spinners and
> weavers association is
> more up their alley.
I've got nothing against AMD. The Opterons in my serv
>AMD still owns ATI; if AMD management is so incompetant to be unable to
>put their foot down and actually establish who is boss, who own's who,
>then I think they need to give up, go home and take up an interest in
>knitting.
I don't think management chains actually have that much control over
On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 09:20 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Sun refusing to make noise doesn't help either. Considering that
> almost
> >every SPARC machine ships with ATI gpus inside, if they really meant
> it,
> >they would have removed it - and launch a campaign of pulling AMD's
> name
> >thr
On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 01:02 -0700, UNIX admin wrote:
> > So it would seem:
> > http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/
> >
> > If they actually follow through on this, I'd buy a
> > new ATi card in a heartbeat.
>
> Why? Nvidia has great support for Solaris. They've done everything
> *just right*, includi
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's like Adobe (née MacroMedia) flashplayer vs Acroread for x86[1].
Casper
[1] Perhaps the mention of Acroread for x86 should be an amendment to
Godwin's law.
Please toss GPL (at least on the OpenSolaris list;-) in that amendment
also.
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Ala
> So it would seem:
> http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/
>
> If they actually follow through on this, I'd buy a
> new ATi card in a heartbeat.
Why? Nvidia has great support for Solaris. They've done everything *just
right*, including packaging. I checked their stuff and they really *paid
attention
>Sun refusing to make noise doesn't help either. Considering that almost
>every SPARC machine ships with ATI gpus inside, if they really meant it,
>they would have removed it - and launch a campaign of pulling AMD's name
>through the mud for poor co-operation with a partner.
I'm not sure that is
On 05/09/07, Kaiwai Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-09-05 at 13:00 -0700, Alan DuBoff wrote:
> > On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Shawn Walker wrote:
> >
> > > So it would seem:
> > > http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/
> > >
> > > If they actually follow through on this, I'd buy a new ATi card i
On Wed, 2007-09-05 at 13:00 -0700, Alan DuBoff wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Shawn Walker wrote:
>
> > So it would seem:
> > http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/
> >
> > If they actually follow through on this, I'd buy a new ATi card in a
> heartbeat.
> >
> > No offense to Intel for the great stuff they
On Wed, 2007-09-05 at 14:22 -0500, Shawn Walker wrote:
> So it would seem:
> http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/
>
> If they actually follow through on this, I'd buy a new ATi card in a
> heartbeat.
>
> No offense to Intel for the great stuff they've done, but they just
> don't compete performance-w
On 05/09/07, Alan DuBoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ATI/AMD have told Sun they would provide specs, but if they have it would
> be as of very recent. The fact that they're a partner to Sun and have not
> been able to provide such information makes me skeptical of anything
> written up on LWN, my
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Shawn Walker wrote:
> So it would seem:
> http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/
>
> If they actually follow through on this, I'd buy a new ATi card in a
> heartbeat.
>
> No offense to Intel for the great stuff they've done, but they just
> don't compete performance-wise...
I agree
I hope they took a look around at the video and printer driver arena, realized
that it is a toxic failure, and decided to go open source for their primary
driver development just to see if it could do any better.
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So it would seem:
http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/
If they actually follow through on this, I'd buy a new ATi card in a heartbeat.
No offense to Intel for the great stuff they've done, but they just
don't compete performance-wise...
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