Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-26 Thread Anon Y Mous
I have a solution for Herr Martin Bochnig that I think will make everyone in the OpenSolaris community happy: There are many people like me who have old Pentium III and Pentium IV computers with only 500 megabytes of RAM and we can't run Project Indiana OpenSolaris 2008.05 on these computers

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-26 Thread Martin Bochnig
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 4:23 AM, Anon Y Mous [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a solution for Herr Martin Bochnig that I think will make everyone in the OpenSolaris community happy: There are many people like me who have old Pentium III and Pentium IV computers with only 500 megabytes of RAM

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-26 Thread Anon Y Mous
Genunix says that Martux works on Sun4u. I think I have an old Sun Blade 100 with 500 megabytes of RAM buried in my girlfriend's garage somewhere. I will have to go on an archeological dig and excavate it so I can give Martux a spin on it. There is definitely a need a small, compact

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-26 Thread Martin Bochnig
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Anon Y Mous [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Genunix says that Martux works on Sun4u. I think I have an old Sun Blade 100 with 500 megabytes of RAM buried in my girlfriend's garage somewhere. I will have to go on an archeological dig and excavate it so I can give

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-23 Thread Fredrich Maney
I would submit that in the desktop realm, you would be correct. However, in my experience in the server realm, custom builds are pretty common. For example, until very recently (like the last 2 years), I've rarely seen anyone run the Sun provided BIND, Sendmail or Apache daemons on production

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-23 Thread Mike Meyer
On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:16:03 +0200 Martin Bochnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Martin Bochnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would venture to guess that a significant majority of users will

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-23 Thread john g4lt
the error message should have read use crle, linux-man On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Martin Bochnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The error msg came, because options need to go last into the cmd line: # LD_PRELOAD=/tmp/y/a.out conary update tuxpaint --resolve

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-22 Thread Mike Meyer
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:16:41 +0100 Calum Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19 Oct 2008, at 13:11, Duncan Paterson wrote: What are the chances that this will one day rival apt for selection, frequency of updates and speed. It will happen a lot quicker once we have repositories in

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-22 Thread Fredrich Maney
I'd much rather see a ports type implementation than an rpm implementation - particularly if it includes the sources. fpsm On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:16:41 +0100 Calum Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19 Oct 2008, at 13:11,

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-22 Thread Shawn Walker
The most likely implementation will probably be what the pkgbuild folks are providing, which is very much like rpmbuild. Fredrich Maney wrote: I'd much rather see a ports type implementation than an rpm implementation - particularly if it includes the sources. fpsm On Mon, Oct 20, 2008

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-22 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
I'd much rather see a ports type implementation than an rpm implementation - particularly if it includes the sources. fpsm Sources available? Darn right - some of the licenses require that, too. Build from source as the normal method of installation? That, I think is too slow for most

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-22 Thread Shawn Walker
Mike Meyer wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:49:36 PDT Richard L. Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd much rather see a ports type implementation than an rpm implementation - particularly if it includes the sources. Sources available? Darn right - some of the licenses require that, too.

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-22 Thread Martin Bochnig
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would venture to guess that a significant majority of users will never need to or want to recompile or alter the software as you suggest. They're going to want a stable, tested version of the software, and that means a

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-22 Thread Martin Bochnig
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Martin Bochnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would venture to guess that a significant majority of users will never need to or want to recompile or alter the software as you suggest.

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-22 Thread Martin Bochnig
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:16:03 +0200 Martin Bochnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Martin Bochnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-22 Thread Martin Bochnig
# LD_PRELOAD=/tmp/y/a.out conary update --resove tuxpaint usage: conary update [+][-]pkgname[=version][[flavor]]* changeset* Update or install software on the system options: Update Options: --exact-flavors Only match troves whose flavors match exactly --from-file=FROM-FILE

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-22 Thread Martin Bochnig
The error msg came, because options need to go last into the cmd line: # LD_PRELOAD=/tmp/y/a.out conary update tuxpaint --resolve ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-21 Thread Calum Benson
On 20 Oct 2008, at 23:40, Martin Bochnig wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:16 AM, Calum Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19 Oct 2008, at 13:11, Duncan Paterson wrote: What are the chances that this will one day rival apt for selection, frequency of updates and speed. It will happen

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-21 Thread Martin Bochnig
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Calum Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20 Oct 2008, at 23:40, Martin Bochnig wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:16 AM, Calum Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19 Oct 2008, at 13:11, Duncan Paterson wrote: What are the chances that this will one

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-21 Thread Dave Miner
Martin Bochnig wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Calum Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20 Oct 2008, at 23:40, Martin Bochnig wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:16 AM, Calum Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-21 Thread Martin Bochnig
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Dave Miner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Bochnig wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Calum Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20 Oct 2008, at 23:40, Martin Bochnig wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:16 AM, Calum

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-21 Thread Martin Bochnig
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Dave Miner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Bochnig wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Calum Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20 Oct 2008, at 23:40, Martin Bochnig wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:16 AM, Calum

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-21 Thread Mario Goebbels
Martin Bochnig wrote: ... Seriously, persecution complex much? -mg signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-21 Thread Martin Bochnig
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Mario Goebbels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Bochnig wrote: ... Seriously, persecution complex much? -mg No, for what? I'm not rPath. Doesn't make sense what you say. I only analyze the facts. But if you don't know (or understand) them, better stop

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-21 Thread Mark Martin
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Mario Goebbels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Bochnig wrote: ... Seriously, persecution complex much? For what it is worth, Martin is not alone with the concern, especially given how similar the projects are becoming. While I may not agree with the

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-21 Thread Mario Goebbels
Seriously, persecution complex much? No, for what? I'm not rPath. Doesn't make sense what you say. I only analyze the facts. But if you don't know (or understand) them, better stop this rant. Doesn't change the fact that you're being frickin' annoying since your episode with Sun

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-21 Thread Dave Miner
Martin Bochnig wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Dave Miner [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Bochnig wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Calum Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-21 Thread Martin Bochnig
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Mario Goebbels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seriously, persecution complex much? No, for what? I'm not rPath. Doesn't make sense what you say. I only analyze the facts. But if you don't know (or understand) them, better stop this rant. Doesn't change

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-21 Thread Martin Bochnig
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Dave Miner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Bochnig wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Dave Miner [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Bochnig wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Calum Benson [EMAIL

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-21 Thread Mario Goebbels
Because you are lacking (or at least running out of) arguments, you try to fight me via the personal psycho style method. Here's the persecution complex again... Fight you personal psycho style. Only thing I'm discussing here is that your discussion style sucks, not the arguments you bring

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-21 Thread Dave Miner
Martin Bochnig wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Dave Miner [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Bochnig wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Dave Miner [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-21 Thread Martin Bochnig
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Mario Goebbels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because you are lacking (or at least running out of) arguments, you try to fight me via the personal psycho style method. Here's the persecution complex again... Fight you personal psycho style. Only thing I'm

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-21 Thread Stephen Lau
Can we please just end this discussion? Both sides have raised interesting points, both sides have merits within those points, and I think it's fine for both projects to continue development. The open source world is ripe with projects that fork to create derivative works[1], and a

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-20 Thread Duncan Paterson
ok brilliant thanks so much for your help I'll get on it when I get back from uni later on. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-20 Thread Ché Kristo
The docs are all at: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/IPS/ipsdev.html#createipspkg Tim Cramer mentioned during one of the community conference calls that it was a goal to have external contribution mechanisms set up for 2008.11...for the interim period other IPS repositories are blastwave

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-20 Thread Calum Benson
On 19 Oct 2008, at 13:11, Duncan Paterson wrote: What are the chances that this will one day rival apt for selection, frequency of updates and speed. It will happen a lot quicker once we have repositories in place to which everyone can contribute packages. I get the feeling that'll be

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-20 Thread Martin Bochnig
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:16 AM, Calum Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19 Oct 2008, at 13:11, Duncan Paterson wrote: What are the chances that this will one day rival apt for selection, frequency of updates and speed. It will happen a lot quicker once we have repositories in place to

[osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-19 Thread Duncan Paterson
What are the chances that this will one day rival apt for selection, frequency of updates and speed. I really love opensolaris, but find that I'm compiling a lot of my own packages from source which defeats the purpose a little. However I have to say other than the package manager this is the

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-19 Thread Ché Kristo
If you are seeing speed issues where you think there shouldn't be you can always file a bug. Since the initial release of 2008.05 i've noticed significant improvements in IPS and the package manager GUI. If you are going to the effort of compiling all of your software why not make the extra

Re: [osol-discuss] The future of the IPS system

2008-10-19 Thread Duncan Paterson
thanks for your input :) sound like I'm backing the right team I'll go and learn about making these packages. Thanks very much. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org