RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again - OT

2002-07-02 Thread Grabowy, Chris
My sincere and humble apologies to Rachel, if my earlier email has offended her. That was not the intention. I believe myself and others that tease and pick on Rachel, do it out of respect and love for her, and would never intentionally mean to offend her. I do not know about other locations

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again - OT

2002-07-02 Thread Jared . Still
:RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again - OT My sincere and humble apologies to Rachel, if my earlier email has offended her. That was not the intention. I believe myself and others that tease and pick on Rachel, do it out of respect and love for her, and would never intentionally

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again - OT

2002-07-02 Thread Rachel Carmichael
My note must have been missing the smiley but you guys WERE picking on me :) (MOO make him stop! G) --- Grabowy, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My sincere and humble apologies to Rachel, if my earlier email has offended her. That was not the intention. I believe myself and

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again - OT

2002-07-02 Thread Grabowy, Chris
Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again - OT My sincere and humble apologies to Rachel, if my earlier email has offended her. That was not the intention

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-07-01 Thread Jared Still
Personal attacks certainly don't belong here. Best not do it at all. Jared On Wednesday 26 June 2002 19:28, Rachel Carmichael wrote: YO! JARED! has this gotten off-topic yet? since when is picking on Rachel part of the on topic list??? --- Joe Testa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, feel

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-28 Thread Don Granaman
I absolutely am NOT saying that anyone with an OCP is incompetant, a bad person, or any other such thing. Some of the best DBAs I've known were OCP. Some weren't. Some of the very worst DBAs I've known were OCP. Some weren't. I simply think that its main value (other than the totally

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-28 Thread Connor McDonald
My favourite question - because you need pretty much only this one to occupy the entire interview: Over there on the far wall is a 6x6m white board. Assuming the space is an 'Oracle database', start filling the blanks in terms of memory, disks, files, caches, buffer etc with all the connecting

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-27 Thread Don Granaman
From my experience with a few DBAs that waved their OCP around like it was a Nobel prize, some probably should have malpractice insurance. Lots of it. Don Granaman [Certifiable OraSaurus - NOCP] - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-27 Thread Don Granaman
What do you hate/find-frustrating about Oracle? (Let me count the ways... process terminated with ORA-22053) That could easily be the most revealing interview question ever conceived! I love it!!! I'm amazed at the number of times someone that is supposedly qualified can't answer a very

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-27 Thread Rachel Carmichael
you should come out of lurk mode more often -- those are GOOD questions and I'm going to add them to the standard list :) --- Grant Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rachel Carmichael[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: this goes back to a thread from maybe a year ago... what sort of questions do

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-27 Thread johanna . doran
3) The third selection from the top on the Configuration menu of the RunAmok Technologies Defibrillator for Dummies (TM) is: a) voltage b) amperage c) frequency d) duration e) billing rate .. LOL! This is exactly the kind of thing that has discouraged me from the exams! Now, being a new

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-27 Thread johanna . doran
.. weaknesses and which way to go. One such was If you find a file named 'afiedt.buf', how was it probably created? That particular question caught two very confident applicants without the foggiest clue a few years ago. .. You GOTTA be kidding right? I consider this rank with

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-27 Thread Thomas Day
[EMAIL PROTECTED] tmail.com cc: Sent by:Subject: Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again [EMAIL PROTECTED] June 26, 2002 05:22 PM Please

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-27 Thread Simon . Anderson
I don't know - took me ages to figure out why 'afiedt.buf' sounded familiar, good thing I'm not job hunting... The 'Worst Oracle Nightmare' and Oracle Likes/Dislikes are sort of on my revision list when I'm jobhunting, even when it's just practice I find it focuses my mind on what I know and

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-27 Thread Jack Silvey
Good morning Don, I know that you are not suggesting that those with the OCP are bad persons. Listers, I suggest that we drop this topic now, since it might start to offend if it goes further. We all have much more in common that we have that divides us, and this topic is a downright silly

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-27 Thread Nuno Souto
- Original Message - list of specifications that were given to them. They also use resume processing software that is looking for specific hits on specific words. That has always been the problem. Most of these things were written for jobs that have NOTHING to do with IT. Reminds me

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-27 Thread Hayes, Scott
How about a newbie's point of view. I have been in IT for twelve years and the last year I have supported 1 Oracle database. Yes I know it's not much but at least it is a start. I have been lurking on this list for the past year and have learned a lot from all of you and been confused by all of

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-27 Thread Khedr, Waleed
I enjoyed this thread a lot and this is how I see it: If a company is hiring a DBA and they have no people with database experience to interview the candidates then probably any certification could be a factor here. Most of the companies that hire DBA are usually looking for a talent that adds

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-27 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
PROTECTED] tmail.com cc: Sent by:Subject: Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again [EMAIL PROTECTED] June 26, 2002 05:22 PM Please respond

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-27 Thread Hately Mike
Waleed, Without wanting to cause offence here (honestly!) I couldn't disagree more with this. At least in the UK right now the Oracle job market is VERY tight. We already have to compete with people padding their CVs and bluffing their way into interviews (a practice which I'm pathologically

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-27 Thread johanna . doran
Title: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again Wow, I guess Tom Hanks was right! All of the the answers to life even theOCP CAN be found in the Godfather! hehehehehhe -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-27 Thread Grant Allen
Don Granaman[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: What do you hate/find-frustrating about Oracle? (Let me count the ways... process terminated with ORA-22053) That could easily be the most revealing interview question ever conceived! I love it!!! It works wonderfully for me. I've seen a few

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-27 Thread Henry Poras
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again Are you trying to promote it? -Original Message- Sent

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Don Granaman
- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again Are you trying to promote it? -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Rachel Carmichael
the they I referred to is IOUG haven't decided if I want to take the 9i upgrade. Part of me wants to continue the not worked with it, passed the test streak, part of me says who gives a flying fig anyway --- Orr, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who are they? So are you going to take the 9i

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Orr, Steve
Well that explains a lot. In a separate post Rachel also said Oracle denigrated the prior Chauncey/IOUG tests so it's obvious that Oracle is just using testing and certification as another source of revenue. Professional Development of the DBA community is just marketing hype. All the more reason

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Alexandre Gorbatchev
Seems nobody's left quiet. :) Personally, I don't want to be obstinate. I wouldn't avoid certification only because I think (and yes, I do) it's all about the Oracle's revenue and nothing about professional knowledge. Works for Oracle - fine, glad for them. As side effect I can have increase in

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Robertson Lee - lerobe
stands up nervously in front of the rest of the group, as it is his first time at the NOCP meeting Hi, my name is Lee, and I am not an Oracle certified professional attempts to sit back down, whilst being hugged and slapped on the back, cheers echo around the room -Original Message-

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread MacGregor, Ian A.
: www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again A tip o' the hat to all authors and presenters. However writing a book makes no one an expert on anything

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Hately Mike
Hi Lee, my name is Mike. I've been taking OCP exams for almost 3 years now. I've tried to stop a few times but my lots of my friends take the exams too and I find I just get dragged along. I recognise I have a problem but I want to get better. Sits down. Someone strikes a tuning fork and the

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Cary Millsap
: (248) 408-2918 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again A tip o' the hat to all authors and presenters

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Grabowy, Chris
TOO FUNNY! I am rolling over here... -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 11:28 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L stands up nervously in front of the rest of the group, as it is his first time at the NOCP meeting Hi, my name is Lee, and I am not an Oracle

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Rachel Carmichael
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again A tip o' the hat to all authors and presenters. However

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Adams, Matthew (GEA, MABG, 088130)
Title: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again unfortunately, I've seen this to be true at many conferences, including the IOUG and SEOUC. Matt Adams - GE Appliances - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Doing linear scans over an associative array is like trying to club someone to death

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Karniotis, Stephen
Title: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again OK. As the DBA Focus Area Manager for the IOUG, we do our best to weed out the fluff. If you were at IOUG this year, you should have noticed a significant reduction in the marketing fluff and more technical content. Yes, some

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Paul . Parker
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again A tip o' the hat to all authors and presenters. However writing a book makes no one an expert on anything. There are Oracle books containing fabulous stories of what happens when a tablespace is put

Presentations was RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Fink, Dan
The ratings are all dependent upon the audience's perception. There are times when the entertainment value overwhelms the accuracy and/or content. It seems that the beginning topics tend to be more style than substance, where the advance topics can get overwhelmed in minute details. IMHO, I want

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Adams, Matthew (GEA, MABG, 088130)
Title: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again Actually, I had to miss this years (even though I was orginally schedule to give two presentations) due to a medical situation. I gave four the year before that. Matt Adams - GE Appliances - [EMAIL PROTECTED]We have enough

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Rachel Carmichael
: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again A tip o' the hat to all authors and presenters. However writing a book makes no one an expert on anything. There are Oracle books containing

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Adams, Matthew (GEA, MABG, 088130)
Title: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again But Rachel, you never came to any of my presentations! (in my best whiney voice) At least you'll get to see me present in July at OOUG. Matt Adams - GE Appliances - [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have enough youth. How about a fountain

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Rachel Carmichael
: www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again A tip o' the hat to all authors and presenters. However writing a book makes no one

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Adams, Matthew (GEA, MABG, 088130)
Title: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again Right now, I think Susan has me from 1-2, right after lunch, but I'm not sure. The OOUG web site is a little sparse on details. Matt Adams - GE Appliances - [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have enough youth. How about a fountain

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Julia Phu
Sorry, I can't help being quiet. I've no respect for the OCP. I saw MANY people bought the exams from many sources. These people memorize the questions and answers prior the test day. Voila, they pass the tests and still don't understand how to install and configure the database. I learned it

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Rachel Carmichael
well, if so, I'll finally get to see you present and won't have to walk out in the middle --- Adams, Matthew (GEA, MABG, 088130) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right now, I think Susan has me from 1-2, right after lunch, but I'm not sure. The OOUG web site is a little sparse on details.

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Rachel Carmichael
it reminds me of one of the comments (an bad rating) on the DBA 101 book on amazon... to paraphrase this book is no good because it doesn't help me cheat and lie on job interviews I consider that HIGH praise --- Julia Phu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I can't help being quiet. I've no

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread ltiu
Everyone's got their own way of doing things. I got Sun certified and I am using Sun everyday so I am OK when it comes to proficiency with Suns. Now I am getting Oracle certified and I am using Oracle everyday too. ltiu -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com --

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Grabowy, Chris
Matt, she walked out in the middle of your presentation?? Your lucky. She walked out of mine at the beginning, shaking her head. Oh well... -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 5:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L well, if so, I'll finally get to see you

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Fink, Dan
You're both lucky! She stayed all the way through mine and never once broke out her knitting! Daniel W. Fink Sr. Oracle DBA MICROMEDEX 303.486.6456 -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:03 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Matt, she walked out in the middle of

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Rajesh . Rao
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Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Joe Testa
Chris, feel blessed, she stays during all of mine and asks bizarre questions :), like: If 2 control files are being updated at the same time and one is on raid-5 and the other on raid 0+1, which one will be finished updating first. joe Grabowy, Chris wrote: Matt, she walked out in the

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Greg Moore
Rachel, Of all the people who attend the conference, do you happen to know how many actually go to the trouble of voting for best presentation? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Greg Moore INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858)

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Joe Testa
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] tmail.com cc: Sent by:Subject: Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread ltiu
little I know, I owe it to my ignorance. Julia Phu julia_phu@rockeTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] tmail.com cc: Sent by:Subject: Re: the ora certified masters

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Fink, Dan
I'd like to see a vote conducted 6 months after the conference. 'Of all the presentations and papers available at the conference, which are the 5 that you have found most valuable and useful in your work and/or career?' The highest compliment I was ever paid was 6 months after my first UG

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Deshpande, Kirti
?? And then Gaja (Mr. Raid) takes over the presentation ;-)) - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 5:38 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Chris, feel blessed, she stays during all of mine and asks bizarre questions :), like: If 2 control files are

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Orr, Steve
Getting certified is hard work. Takes a lot of time and effort... I'd say it's more like busy work. Ever move to another state and have to take another test for your drivers license? Even though you have been driving for years you may want to study for the test because the wording is strange

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Joe Testa
Excellent point. joe Deshpande, Kirti wrote: ?? And then Gaja (Mr. Raid) takes over the presentation ;-)) - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 5:38 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Chris, feel blessed, she stays during all of mine and asks bizarre

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Rachel Carmichael
ahem last day at OOW last year, DBA panel consisting of Ari Kaplan, Cary Millsap, Kevin Loney, Grant McAllister (amazon) and there I am, sitting in the front row and knitting. Knitting keeps my hands busy but doesn't interfere with my being a smart aleck heckler :) Besides, in YOUR

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Rachel Carmichael
one last comment before Jared makes me take this to the off-topic list I never walked out on one of Matt's presentations, I never got to SEE one of Matt's presentations. He and I will be presenting to the Ohio Users Group in 2 weeks, I will be able to see his ENTIRE presentation before I have to

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Rachel Carmichael
oh yeah that would be GREAT I met Kevin Loney because I'd seen him present in '94 at IOUW. I went home, applied what he had said in his presentation, and a few months later, after beginning to read the 7.3 DBA Handbook, I wrote to him to say THANK YOU --- Fink, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Rachel Carmichael
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Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Rachel Carmichael
Greg, nope, but Stephen Karniotis might, as he is directly involved with IOUG and the conference itself. I go as a presenter or registrant only. Rachel --- Greg Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rachel, Of all the people who attend the conference, do you happen to know how many actually go

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Rachel Carmichael
YO! JARED! has this gotten off-topic yet? since when is picking on Rachel part of the on topic list??? --- Joe Testa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, feel blessed, she stays during all of mine and asks bizarre questions :), like: If 2 control files are being updated at the same time and

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Rachel Carmichael
@rockeTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] tmail.com cc: Sent by:Subject: Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again [EMAIL PROTECTED] June 26, 2002 05:22

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Joe Testa
oh look now the dba goddess is offended :) joe Rachel Carmichael wrote: YO! JARED! has this gotten off-topic yet? since when is picking on Rachel part of the on topic list??? --- Joe Testa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, feel blessed, she stays during all of mine and asks bizarre

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Karniotis, Stephen
Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 7:26 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again I'd like to see a vote conducted 6 months after the conference. 'Of all the presentations and papers available at the conference, which

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Karniotis, Stephen
] Web:www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:23 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again You're both lucky! She stayed all the way through mine and never once broke out her knitting

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Karniotis, Stephen
Corporation Direct: (248) 865-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again Greg, nope

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Don Granaman
It takes a lot of time and effort (and money if you pay for lessons) to run around the parking lot flapping your arms trying to learn to fly also... And I'm SURE that SOMEBODY would sell you a license - for the right price. So it must be worthwhile ;-) I would certainly hope that Doctors aren't

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Don Granaman
The Chauncey certification exam (singular) was a failure because: 1) It didn't parrot/require enough Oracle ILT material 2) Oracle Corp didn't get a big enough cut 3) It was more scenario-based - requiring more understanding and less knowledge OCP is more like a learner's permit. The Chauncey

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread ltiu
But doctors have malpractice insurance and OCP does not or do/should OCP have one too. On Wednesday 26 June 2002 22:08, you wrote: It takes a lot of time and effort (and money if you pay for lessons) to run around the parking lot flapping your arms trying to learn to fly also... And I'm SURE

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-26 Thread Grant Allen
Rachel Carmichael[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: this goes back to a thread from maybe a year ago... what sort of questions do you ask on interviews. I may ask other questions based on what we are specifically looking for or building off something the interviewee says but I always include

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-25 Thread Don Granaman
off as business expenses... Confusedly yours, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again Are you trying to promote

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-25 Thread Jack Silvey
as business expenses... Confusedly yours, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again Are you trying

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-25 Thread Rachel Carmichael
, June 20, 2002 10:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again Are you trying to promote it? -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I am

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-25 Thread Jack Silvey
PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again Are you trying to promote it? -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I am seriously

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-25 Thread KENNETH JANUSZ
Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again Are you trying to promote it? -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I am seriously considering pursuing one, since it can be sold to hiring managers as a sign

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-25 Thread Robertson Lee - lerobe
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again Are you trying to promote it? -Original Message- Sent

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-25 Thread Grabowy, Chris
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again Are you trying to promote it? -Original Message- Sent

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-25 Thread Wong, Bing
: the ora certified masters cert, yet again Are you trying to promote it? -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I am seriously considering pursuing one, since it can be sold to hiring managers as a sign of professional

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-25 Thread Lyuda Hoska
Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again Are you trying to promote it? -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:50 PM

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-25 Thread April Wells
: the ora certified masters cert, yet again Are you trying to promote it? -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I am seriously considering pursuing one, since it can be sold to hiring managers as a sign

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-25 Thread Alexandre Gorbatchev
Bravo, Rachel! :-) - Original Message - okay, I realize this won't work for everyone on this list but... yeeeah... doesn't work for me... not yet ;) I hand them my resume. the third page of which is FILLED with lists of presentations I have given, awards I have gotten for

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-25 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
to write things off as business expenses... Confusedly yours, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-25 Thread Karniotis, Stephen
-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 12:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again Rachel, So, you substitute books and presentations in place

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-25 Thread Rachel Carmichael
expenses... Confusedly yours, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-25 Thread Rachel Carmichael
: the ora certified masters cert, yet again Are you trying to promote it? -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I am seriously considering pursuing one, since it can be sold

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-25 Thread Rachel Carmichael
- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again Are you trying to promote it? -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-25 Thread Ji, Richard
Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again Are you trying to promote it? -Original Message- Sent

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-25 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again Are you trying to promote it? -Original

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-25 Thread MacGregor, Ian A.
: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again Are you trying to promote it? -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-21 Thread Connor McDonald
Yup. --- Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if 9i Release 2 is going to be the terminal release for 9i? Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services|

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-21 Thread Jack Silvey
Not necessarily, just saying that it is one more bullet in the gun when it comes time to ask for more money, and it is probably a decent investment. --- Khedr, Waleed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you trying to promote it? -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:50 PM

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-21 Thread Khedr, Waleed
They would like to have you go for 10i certification soon! -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 1:53 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Does anyone know if 9i Release 2 is going to be the terminal release for 9i? Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-21 Thread Boivin, Patrice J
The Metalink techs told me it is too early to tell... We'll see how it goes I suppose. Pat. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:23 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yup. --- Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if 9i Release 2 is going

the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-20 Thread Jack Silvey
I am seriously considering pursuing one, since it can be sold to hiring managers as a sign of professional competence. Look at it from a cost/benefit ratio standpoint. Will someone with this cerifification make $2000 more over her professional life than she would without? So it takes a round

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-20 Thread Deshpande, Kirti
And if you are lucky and 'distinguished' you might receive your OCM diploma in front of 22,000+ attendees at the next OOW conf. Rich N. was the first one to do that. I saw it last December. - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-20 Thread Khedr, Waleed
Are you trying to promote it? -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I am seriously considering pursuing one, since it can be sold to hiring managers as a sign of professional competence. Look at it from a cost/benefit ratio

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-20 Thread Boivin, Patrice J
certified masters cert, yet again Are you trying to promote it? -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I am seriously considering pursuing one, since it can be sold to hiring managers as a sign of professional competence. Look

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

2002-06-20 Thread Boivin, Patrice J
Does anyone know if 9i Release 2 is going to be the terminal release for 9i? Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de

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