[OTlist] Assessments

2010-04-28 Thread cmnahrwold
Has anyone used the Rivermead Behavioral Memory Test and the Test of Everyday Attention? If so do you think it would work well for an acute rehab floor that works with many neurological patients especialy stroke clients? -- Options? www.otnow.com/mailman/options/otlist_otnow.com Archive?

Re: [OTlist] Evidence?

2010-02-19 Thread cmnahrwold
Some conflicing evidence, but from my brief lit review it looks like practice is the major factor. In the second study the intervention was only to meet with the student twice a week for 30 minutes lasting 10 weeks. The intervention consisted of biomechanical, sensorimotor, and teaching learni

Re: [OTlist] Bed Mobility

2010-01-07 Thread cmnahrwold
Difficult situation. I assume that he has not grip strength because his triceps won't work. I think I would first recommend a bed rail and then I would come up with a lasso/belt like system that I would harness to the bed rail and then practice use his deltoid and biceps for your advantage b

Re: [OTlist] Standing

2009-08-30 Thread cmnahrwold
I bet if you get a string of people like Shirley, they would have to listen. Really dumb not to. Easy for me to say though. All of my bosses and even the higher ups are OTs, so we have a major advantage. Perhaps that is another way to get our foot in the door. Become the door. -Origi

Re: [OTlist] Standing

2009-08-30 Thread cmnahrwold
Because some people do not understand what we truly do. The only way they will see the contribution is through the voice of the patient. -Original Message- From: Ron Carson To: cmnahrw...@aol.com Sent: Sat, Aug 29, 2009 3:34 pm Subject: Re: [OTlist] Standing Oh Chris, I so val

Re: [OTlist] Standing

2009-08-29 Thread cmnahrwold
"The obvious answer is OT services are NOT invaluable and that patients apparently do just fine when receiving PT only." Hmmm.I wonder why there is such a continued prevelance of falls at home and readmits into hospitals, because people have not been able to take care of themselves

Re: [OTlist] Backpack Unawareness

2009-08-19 Thread cmnahrwold
The whole backpack awareness day in my opinion is a little on the shady side. OTs are educating students and teachers that there should be a 10% body weight limit placed in back packs and often have students use a scale to weigh themselves and then their backpacks. The problem is from my und

Re: [OTlist] Backpack Unawareness

2009-08-18 Thread cmnahrwold
Yes, especially since there is little research to back it up. -Original Message- From: Ron Carson To: OTlist Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 7:17 pm Subject: [OTlist] Backpack Unawareness Does anyone else think that AOTA's dribble on Backpack Awareness is a total waste of time and money?

Re: [OTlist] Difference?

2009-08-18 Thread cmnahrwold
I'm not a big fan of that breakdown in components either, but what I did gather from that quote was the agitated person wouldn't do anything but shoot baskets, so I think that both PT and OT had to stretch a bit in order for the patient to get through the agitated stage from an inurance point o

Re: [OTlist] Bully

2009-08-14 Thread cmnahrwold
Ron, Please do not be discouraged by the most recent ex-members. Sometimes the truth hurts, but hopefully we all left a lasting impression prior to their departure. -Original Message- From: jcd...@gmail.com To: OTlist@OTnow.com Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:39 pm Subject: Re: [OTlist] Bu

Re: [OTlist] One Example of How Other Dispciplines Address Function...

2009-08-11 Thread cmnahrwold
They talk, but we do. -Original Message- From: Ron Carson To: OTlist Sent: Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:20 am Subject: [OTlist] One Example of How Other Dispciplines Address Function... This is a partial quote from a PT on a different listserve: > One thing to note is that this guy is an a

Re: [OTlist] Massive new CVA patient

2009-08-06 Thread cmnahrwold
Just a short reference list 1 http://www.springerlink.com/content/t1lp7wh87wm71t70/ Motor and functional recovery of stroke patients with neglect seems to be significantly improved by the simultaneous presence of a treatment specifically focused on neglect. 2.http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=aff

Re: [OTlist] Massive new CVA patient

2009-08-06 Thread cmnahrwold
"there is nothing YOU can do to SIGNIFICANTLY increase his awareness." Agree with everything except this statement, because of what research has taught us. Check out strokengine.com for specific evidence based reviews on neglect training. Chris Nahrwold MS, OTR -Original Message- Fr

Re: [OTlist] Patient Requests Different Therapist....

2009-08-04 Thread cmnahrwold
Ron, Usually the answer to those types of questions come from within. Why do you think that your personalities clashed? Chris -Original Message- From: Ron Carson To: OTlist@OTnow.com Sent: Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:58 am Subject: [OTlist] Patient Requests Different Therapist Yesterday

Re: [OTlist] Vision ~vs~ Reality

2009-07-23 Thread cmnahrwold
Wow Joan, well put. Wish I could shadow you for a month or two. I also have a heart for people and their families who suffer from dementia, but sometimes I am at a loss for what to do. -Original Message- From: Joan Riches To: OTlist@OTnow.com Sent: Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:07 pm Subject:

Re: [OTlist] Vision ~vs~ Reality

2009-07-23 Thread cmnahrwold
Diane, Can you work on creating a schedule board for the department. This is what we use in rehab, and it works out well. With fourteen patients you can have one group treatment (3-4 pateints) once a day focusing on a general conditioning program for an hour or so. This group wuld rotate ever

Re: [OTlist] Vision ~vs~ Reality

2009-07-23 Thread cmnahrwold
Well put Shirley! I wish all OTs would have an understanding of their own profession. You seem to understand the concept, and you are not even in the profession. What has Ron done in his treatment sessions with your daughter that has made the most impact for her well being and her independen

Re: [OTlist] Why OT's Should NOT Focus on the UE

2009-07-15 Thread cmnahrwold
So the essentials for going home safely is what I gather A) Dressing and bathing themselves. Not only should we OTs practice these skills with possible compensation techniques and environmental adaptation, we should also analyze what part of the activity is difficult. For example a patient m

Re: [OTlist] Why OT's Should NOT Focus on the UE

2009-07-14 Thread cmnahrwold
Miranda, What occupations does the patient desire to improve on? Chris -Original Message- From: Miranda Hayek To: otlist@otnow.com Sent: Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:00 pm Subject: Re: [OTlist] Why OT's Should NOT Focus on the UE I find the information being shared between Diane and others is

Re: [OTlist] Why OT's Should NOT Focus on the UE

2009-07-14 Thread cmnahrwold
Can you further explain "1. Proper placement is critical". Are you talking about certain places found in fiberglass showers that are not a good idea to place, or are you talking about proper placement that will optimize the safety during the transfer? Are there some types of showers or tubs i

Re: [OTlist] Suction-cupped grab bars

2009-07-14 Thread cmnahrwold
Very good to know. Thanks Susan. Do you give them any information about "professionally installed grab bars", like a list of these professionals? Or do you refer them to the yellow pages? Hard to know who is trustworthy. -Original Message- From: Sue To: otlist@otnow.com; OTlist@OT

Re: [OTlist] Why OT's Should NOT Focus on the UE

2009-07-13 Thread cmnahrwold
In this case I would practice both a walk in shower and bathtub shower combo transfers. I am sure he will have either or. When the apartment is finalized, schedule a home evaluation and make sure your recommendations are well known and documented. Sounds like he will need a heavy duty shower

Re: [OTlist] Why OT's Should NOT Focus on the UE

2009-07-13 Thread cmnahrwold
Sounds like you are working him pretty hard. Hard to get around barriers when patients' refuse dressing equipment. Try a large sock aide or a soft sock aide for the pain issues of his feet. -Original Message- From: Diane Randall To: OTlist@OTnow.com Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:30 am S

Re: [OTlist] Why OT's Should NOT Focus on the UE

2009-07-12 Thread cmnahrwold
Diane, I am not saying that an UE therex program is inappropriate. In fact it is very beneficial treatment concept in OT for individuals who have been bed bound and have experienced muscle atrophy because of the immobilization. I am saying that you need to be careful how you educate your pa

Re: [OTlist] Why OT's Should NOT Focus on the UE

2009-07-12 Thread cmnahrwold
Diane, I hate to be the devil's advocate, but because I veiw you as a very compassionate young clinician, I think you might benefit from my suggestions. With that being said, I am not sure that your UE strength exercises helped this person with their ability to transfer into a shower or comp

Re: [OTlist] Over Utilization of PT in Home Health

2009-07-11 Thread cmnahrwold
"...home care area the ratio is 3 to 1 in favour of OCCUPATIONAL THERAPY if we have a PT at all. The situation is reversed in acute care. I think this is as it should be". I agree with Joan. I also think that it should be 1:1 in acute rehab hospitals. Patients get three hours of therapy per da

Re: [OTlist] A Vision For Patients?

2009-07-05 Thread cmnahrwold
Ron and the gang, Yes, I would work on mobility and functional ambulation. I choose to complete them in a "functional dynamic", in which the patient clearly knows why we are working on walking (example walking from the family room recliner to the kitchen so the patient can cook, etc etc). Y

Re: [OTlist] A Vision For Patients?

2009-07-04 Thread cmnahrwold
I most certainly address the LE. Usually it is through practice of occupations, but occasionally I will work on specific leg movements and standing balance in order to eventually achieve an occupational goal. I only mentioned flaccid arm, because that is what the prior OTs worked on with the

Re: [OTlist] A Vision For Patients?

2009-07-04 Thread cmnahrwold
Sounds like the man has given up on life. Perhaps he has no goals because he has no expectations of getting "better". Perhaps you can show him the way on a few self generated goals, and then watch out the flood gate of goals may come open. Sad that the prior OTs only focused on UE ROM. Soun

Re: [OTlist] Just About To Give UP............

2009-07-01 Thread cmnahrwold
I agree with Ron, but I bet the nursing home company in which you work for will not like that idea much. -Original Message- From: Ron Carson To: Diane Randall Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:31 am Subject: Re: [OTlist] Just About To Give UP Hello Diane and other: Diane, I stro

Re: [OTlist] Dental Hygienst Knows About OT...

2009-06-18 Thread cmnahrwold
Thanks for clarifying Ron and Joan! -Original Message- From: Joan Riches To: OTlist@OTnow.com Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:47 am Subject: Re: [OTlist] Dental Hygienst Knows About OT... None of Ron's points preclude either treatment approach stated by Chris but occupation is always the 'end'

Re: [OTlist] Dental Hygienst Knows About OT...

2009-06-14 Thread cmnahrwold
Ron, I agree with with 95% of what you are saying the only things that I disagree with are: I concede that it is not occupational therapy, but we should not call it PT either. Gray area of practice. 1. It is not UE PT. It is UE therapy. I concede that it is not occupational therapy, but

Re: [OTlist] Dental Hygienst Knows About OT...

2009-06-13 Thread cmnahrwold
Ron, Not sure where the disagreement is found "Chris, so of what you say is correct, but much isn't" So it is ok to step out of your traditional role as an OT to complete lymphedma treatment, but it is not ok to step out of the traditional role as an OT to complete UE orthopedic treatment?

Re: [OTlist] Dental Hygienst Knows About OT...

2009-06-12 Thread cmnahrwold
I see the horse is not dead yet This age old debate revolves around the top down approach and the bottom up approach to treatment, or the occupation as a means or an end. We as OTs in physical disabilities can choose either to treat occupational dysfunction in two ways a) Use occupations

[OTlist] Positive comment of the day

2009-04-28 Thread cmnahrwold
Have a patient in rehab this week who has parkinson's disease and suffered a fall while gathering a drink out of the fridge.. Yesterday we made a list of all of the occupations he wants to be able to do in order to make it home and to improve his quality of life again. So far we have the basi

Re: [OTlist] "Healing the Splintered Mind"

2009-04-28 Thread cmnahrwold
You go Ron! -Original Message- From: Ron Carson To: OTlist@OTnow.com Sent: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:04 pm Subject: [OTlist] "Healing the Splintered Mind" >From Advance for Directors in Rehabilitation, Vol 18, No.4 Here's a great quote from the article on page 33: "the role of a

Re: [OTlist] Breaking the Bonds of Upper Extremity OT; Is it even

2009-04-25 Thread cmnahrwold
Arley. Good points. Thanks for bringing me back to reality. -Original Message- From: Johnson, Arley To: OTlist@OTnow.com Sent: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 8:17 pm Subject: Re: [OTlist] Breaking the Bonds of Upper Extremity OT; Is it even Having some experience with a RAC review a few years ag

Re: [OTlist] Breaking the Bonds of Upper Extremity OT; Is it even

2009-04-23 Thread cmnahrwold
Listened to a medicare teleconference describing why CMS is denying debility patients from acute rehab stays. When asked why this is so, the medicare communicater stated that they did not have medical necessity for occupational therapy. When debating this issue and how occupational therapy wo

Re: [OTlist] Breaking the Bonds of Upper Extremity OT; Is it even Possible?

2009-04-21 Thread cmnahrwold
Lets face the facts. Most PTs do not know how to treat stroke shoulder dysfunction. Most OTs do not know how to properly treat stroke shoulder dysfunction. They think they can, but most of them do a botched up waste of time job. It is a specialized skill, that warrents continued education.

Re: [OTlist] AOTA's "BRAN" Bus

2009-04-15 Thread cmnahrwold
Depends on what your definition of branding is. From how she desribes it the OT practitioner being "honed in" is the first step to this branding process. Not sure if they should go forward with the second phase until the first step is complete. I am certainly in agreement on this one. Seems

Re: [OTlist] AOTA's "BRAN" Bus

2009-04-15 Thread cmnahrwold
That is the key to the President's statement. We must "start". If that does not occur we can forget it. Not sure what they have planned for this aspect. It would be a good question to ask her on her blog. -Original Message- From: Ron Carson To: cmnahrw...@aol.com Sent: Wed, 15 Apr

Re: [OTlist] A Typical Day, Is this Normal?

2009-04-15 Thread cmnahrwold
Sounds like some overtime to me. Not appropriate to complete within a 8 hour work day with time for notes and conferences. -Original Message- From: Brent Cheyne To: Ron Carson Sent: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 6:53 am Subject: [OTlist] A Typical Day, Is this Normal? There have been some very ex

Re: [OTlist] AOTA's "BRAN" Bus

2009-04-14 Thread cmnahrwold
Here is a quote from the AOTA president that supports my statements "As a profession, we seem to understand marketing more than we understand a branding process. Branding is about building the emotional reaction to a product or service over time. Branding actually starts with the occupational

Re: [OTlist] AOTA's "BRAN" Bus

2009-04-14 Thread cmnahrwold
Nike made an even more incredible amount of money on top of its gazilion because of the power of branding. Branding is not just a picture or a slogan but a campaign to subconsiously get into the mind of the public. The "Just Do It" campaign made some of us believe that we needed a pair of dif

Re: [OTlist] AOTA's "BRAN" Bus

2009-04-14 Thread cmnahrwold
Well branding does not work on everyone, but AOTA sources say that the poster evoked an emotional response on a significant amount of marketing voluenteers. -Original Message- From: Caryn Carson To: cmnahrw...@aol.com Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 8:46 pm Subject: Re: [OTlist] AOTA's "BRAN"

Re: [OTlist] AOTA's "BRAN" Bus

2009-04-14 Thread cmnahrwold
Branding is not a way to describe a product it is a way to evoke an emotional trigger. Nike's "Just do it" clearly does not explain that Nike makes shoe, but it clealy evokes an emotional trigger. AOTA has been trying for many many many years to explain the concept of OT to the general public

Re: [OTlist] NEED HELP WITH PATIENT

2009-04-14 Thread cmnahrwold
Ron, How does she currently perform in the kitchen (min/mod/ max assist/or verbal cues?). If the patient had completed the cooking prior to the dementia it is possible that this will be an automatic task for her like bathing and dressing is still generrally easy for her. I would then find s

Re: [OTlist] Reflections on OT Month-Don't Leave the List!

2009-04-10 Thread cmnahrwold
Ron, Why can't we open a home health episode or become a required discipline for CORF? Sounds like a lobbyist issue. They said we would never get OT liscensure in the state of Indiana, but after 20 years of trying it finally passed. Really love the way you operate Ron. I think you are a ma

Re: [OTlist] Reflections on OT Month-Don't Leave the List!

2009-04-10 Thread cmnahrwold
Brent, Glad you are feeling better! We all have days like yours once in a while. I have changed my perspective the past three years. I used to get hung up on defining what my profession was and if I was making a difference. All that led to was anxiety, overly neurotic thoughts that other

Re: [OTlist] Facebook

2009-03-22 Thread cmnahrwold
Facebook is a really neat thing. Not too hard once you get the hang of it. -Original Message- From: Ron Carson To: angela jones Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 6:15 am Subject: Re: [OTlist] Facebook Good question. Angie I have a facebook presence but I don't use it because I find fac

[OTlist] Wii therapy

2009-03-20 Thread cmnahrwold
I am so excited. Our acute inpatient unit just purchased a Nintendo Wii and a big screen TV. So far we have the sports games and the Wii Fit. Does anyone have any experience with this and its application to OT? Do you know of any other games that would benefit the patient in OT? -- Op

Re: [OTlist] Occupation as THE goal: Does it matter

2009-03-20 Thread cmnahrwold
PART TWO: I just wanted to offer some treatment suggestions to all of the members of the group so we can start to get out of the topic of philosophy and into real world suggestions for OTs working with the stroke population. I want to make it clear that I do not spend a lot of time working with

Re: [OTlist] Occupation as THE goal: Does it matter

2009-03-20 Thread cmnahrwold
Sorry Ron but the great debate continue There is a budding branch of research that does support the use of impairment based OT to improve occupational outcomes post stroke. This is a very short list, due to time constraints. I can offer more research to you if you wantme to. I really enjo

Re: [OTlist] What's so sad about folding clothes?

2009-03-20 Thread cmnahrwold
That was the funniest thing I have read in a long time! -Original Message- From: Brent Cheyne To: Ron Carson Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 5:30 pm Subject: [OTlist] What's so sad about folding clothes? Dear Colleagues, Regarding the comment... "Isn't  it a bit "childish" that OT is remembered

Re: [OTlist] hello company...it's misery calling!

2009-02-26 Thread cmnahrwold
Ron, thanks for sharing. Sounds like a difficult situation in which it will take a long time to change the culture. Glad you made that phone call to the PTA. I am so glad that we do not have that problem, we walk patients all of the time around the rehab unit and the PT seems to appreciate t

Re: [OTlist] hello company...it's misery calling!

2009-02-25 Thread cmnahrwold
Ron, Are you saying that PT, nursing, and nursing aides is working on increased independence in clients' occupations? Or does it appear that they are addressing the issues by completing them for the patient? Perhaps it would be wise to have a tag along day with these disciplines to create a

Re: [OTlist] vestibular OT

2009-02-25 Thread cmnahrwold
The name of the person that I am thinking of is by the name Cohen. Check out OTseeker.com to review article abstracts that you may find interesting and then take a few abstracts to a librarian for assistance of finding them, perferably a hospital librarian or a university librarian. Here is o

Re: [OTlist] Female Urinal devices

2009-02-25 Thread cmnahrwold
I am not a big fan of bed pans or urinals but I undestand how useful they are in "emergencies" especially at night. I would strongly suggest a bed side commode for that needed out of bed activity during the day, and perhaps a female urinal and a standard bed pan at night. I have used a female

Re: [OTlist] vestibular OT

2009-02-24 Thread cmnahrwold
I think it might be common for PTs to work on vestibular rehab in the adult population when people are suffering from inner ear impairments and neurological impairments that effect the vestibular system. The clinic I work for has a specialized program dealing with this with about a million dol

Re: [OTlist] AOTA's Branding Campaign?

2009-02-22 Thread cmnahrwold
Here are my thoughts about the Branding Campaign that I sent to the AOTA president. Penny, I think the idea of branding is an excellent idea, primarily because the idea has not been attempted before. I think the idea of taking an absract symbol to facilitate an emotional memory is genius. T

Re: [OTlist] hello company...it's misery calling!

2009-02-21 Thread cmnahrwold
Brent, Great comments Do you need an understudy for the sock puppet show? Simply hilarious! Chris -Original Message- From: Brent Cheyne To: OTlist@OTnow.com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 6:37 pm Subject: Re: [OTlist] hello company...it's misery calling! Ron, Ilene, and Mary Alice a

Re: [OTlist] Puposeful activity

2009-02-21 Thread cmnahrwold
It is hard for me to answer such questions because I do not work in a skilled nursing facility, and I have not worked in one for over 7years. I cannot really comment on changing practice patterns in nursing home any longer because I do not work in that reality. I should only comment on changi

Re: [OTlist] The Timing of OT...

2009-02-21 Thread cmnahrwold
It is ironic though that the man has muscular dystrophy though and wants to focus only on PT. I wonder if the man realizes the progression of his disease and how aggressive strength training can cause problems. It seems as though the man is in denial about his disease and wants to fight it by

Re: [OTlist] Occupation as THE goal: Does it matter

2009-02-21 Thread cmnahrwold
Seems like in your example of occupation that the UE is left out of the equation, although through some improvement it can lead to improvements in the patient's personal goals of occupation. Just because there is no function in the flaccid UE does not mean there will not be any improvement 6 m

Re: [OTlist] Occupation as THE goal: Does it matter

2009-02-16 Thread cmnahrwold
Ron, Great outline.? Can you next explain how the treatment will differ? Chris -Original Message- From: Ron Carson To: OTlist@OTnow.com Sent: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 7:52 am Subject: [OTlist] Occupation as THE goal: Does it matter Hello All: What follows are thoughts and opinion about u

Re: [OTlist] Double vision

2009-02-15 Thread cmnahrwold
One?technique that I use is partial patching of the eye by using transpore tape (found in most nursing stations)? I simply place the tape on the medial aspect of the patient's pair of glasses.? This will compensate for the double vision but at the same time allow stimulation to the eye to preven

Re: [OTlist] From Standing to Toilet Transfers

2009-02-09 Thread cmnahrwold
Ron, ?I never did apologize. Just stated a fact that I was not criticizing you for your treatment plan. It is my summation that you write about the "Philosophy of OT".? I do not think that if you take two seasoned OTs found in the same setting with a strong dedication to their clients and put t

Re: [OTlist] From Standing to Toilet Transfers

2009-02-08 Thread cmnahrwold
You may say that you are working on occupation from the beginning of the session to the end, but it sure sounds to me that you are?at times?working towards an occupation, especially in the beginning of the treatment process.? You state that at several times you worked on sit to stands, standing,

Re: [OTlist] Game using reacher

2009-02-04 Thread cmnahrwold
As long as the patient knows why they are practicing a specific skill then I am all for it.? In my experience it usually takes the cognitively intact clients a few activities to understand how to use a reacher, not an entire session.? They then can borrow a reacher to use in their room so they c

Re: [OTlist] From Standing to Toilet Transfers

2009-02-04 Thread cmnahrwold
I second that motion. -Original Message- From: Lehman, David To: OTlist@OTnow.com Sent: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:57 pm Subject: Re: [OTlist] From Standing to Toilet Transfers I say combine the professions of PT and OT thus ending the territory issue and what we can and cannot do. I see w

Re: [OTlist] From Standing to Toilet Transfers

2009-02-04 Thread cmnahrwold
Bravo!!!? I believe that is task analysis at its absolute best.? Taking the foundational skills and working up the ladder towards her occupational goal. I view hand therapy and stroke rehabilitation in the same light. Working on the foundational skills in order to work towards an occupatioanal g

Re: [OTlist] new interventions, preventions or techniques in OT

2009-02-03 Thread cmnahrwold
I have used many of the Saebo equipment that is relatively new in OT for stroke rehabilitation?a) Saebostretch b) Saeboflex c) Saeboreach.? Check out Saebo.com for more details.? They even have a budding foundation in the research.? Use the key terms "Functional tone management" and/or "Saebofle

Re: [OTlist] Fn. Mobility ~vs~ Gait Training

2009-01-19 Thread cmnahrwold
Yes I am comfortable with faciliating the patient to take steps.??Why???Because I have been trained to do it the correct way. And yes I feel comfortable with advancing the patient's mobility aide when they are improving with ambulating to the toilet.?Why? Because I am an occupational therapist

Re: [OTlist] Fn. Mobility ~vs~ Gait Training

2009-01-18 Thread cmnahrwold
I don't have a direct answer to that.? I guess it depends on where your level of expertise falls in this area.? I have it easy, because I work with an amazing group of PTs who teach me on each patient how they want them to walk.? That way I can help the patient receive the much needed practice i

Re: [OTlist] Fn. Mobility ~vs~ Gait Training

2009-01-17 Thread cmnahrwold
To me functional mobility is the process of getting to point A to point B regardless of compensation techniqes in the context of an activity or a desired functional outcome.? Just the other day I had a patient who wanted to cook and set the table for her family, to achieve this desired outcome a

Re: [OTlist] How About This?

2009-01-17 Thread cmnahrwold
Can she stand and walk at all? Since her goal is not to complete her occupations from the wheelchiar, I would certainly make every attempt to adapt her environment and practice and adapt?her activities with that desired goal in mind.? Hard to answer without actually seeing the patient for real.?

Re: [OTlist] Fn. Mobility ~vs~ Gait Training

2009-01-17 Thread cmnahrwold
If the patien'ts functional transfer baseline prior to a hospital admit or new condition?is to use a wheelchair close to the toilet and transfer and they then desire to continue to use this same method I would practice this method with them.? However if they want to change this pattern and if th

Re: [OTlist] How About This?

2009-01-16 Thread cmnahrwold
What do you mean by "limited bi-lateral LE's"?.? Can she move them at all?? If she has no control in her LEs at all I would do the following: 1) Find out what the patient's?damage is and the possible?recovery potential by calling the surgeon's office. 2)Teach and train?her to compensate through

Re: [OTlist] Fn. Mobility ~vs~ Gait Training

2009-01-16 Thread cmnahrwold
It is certainly not PT.? Our goal as OTs?is to faciliate a positive outcome in a patient's independence in the activiites that occupy a person's life.? Getting to the toilet is certainly one of those activiites that a person usually wants to do for themselves.? Whether walking to the toilet or

Re: [OTlist] Help with Treatment Plan???

2008-12-14 Thread cmnahrwold
Ron, Just went to a course on Dementia.? Possible goals 1) Decrease agitation while showering and dressing?2) Decrease agitation during transition of the nursing staff. 3) Decrease agitation throughout the day by 25%. I would then make a log, in which Joan mentioned, called a behavioral mapping

Re: [OTlist] Arrgh! SNF OTs on the hot seat!

2008-12-05 Thread cmnahrwold
I have been thinking how to be "concrete" in treatment ideas that I would use in a SNF. This is?for the new therapists out there.? This would be for the general debility patient that we often encounter at SNFs.? I seperated?everything into?four categories for simplicity.? This is not an exhaust

Re: [OTlist] Arrgh! SNF OTs on the hot seat!

2008-12-02 Thread cmnahrwold
Brent, I believe the criticism originally came from Ron in regards to a therapist in a rehab hospital.? We?can all be?guilty of poor rehab at times no matter what practice setting.? I responded to warn people of potential fraud that therapists might be committing and not even realizing it. Chri

Re: [OTlist] AARGH!

2008-11-30 Thread cmnahrwold
-PT completes standing challenges so the patient can walk and improve in their balance.? Treatment usually stops when a certain distance has been reached or a certain grade of balance has been achieved.? I have rarely (work hardening is the only example I can think of)?seen a PT use an ADL or an

Re: [OTlist] AARGH!

2008-11-30 Thread cmnahrwold
It is funny in what we consider functional and not functional.? How can standing not be functional but doing a bunch of crafts, reaching for clothes pins and cones is considered functional?? Ninety percent of the clients I see do not like crafts and have no intention of starting crafts, so why i

Re: [OTlist] I still can't explain OT

2008-11-14 Thread cmnahrwold
Brent, that was awesome! Over the years I have become?simplistic with my definition of OT when describing it to my clients prior to their reheb program.? "OT on Bennett rehab typically helps patients to become more independent with all of the actvities that occupy a person's life in order to ge

Re: [OTlist] I still can't explain OT

2008-11-12 Thread cmnahrwold
What you explained 'she said they had her mom sitting at a table doing pegs, cards, etc with her unaffected arm to "keep it strong".?'? is certainly not OT and it is not even UE rehabilitation.? To me it is nonsense, and the evidence of a very lazy therapist without any clinical reasoning abilit

Re: [OTlist] doubling patient in acute rehab

2008-11-06 Thread cmnahrwold
Great point of discussion Brent.  I think doubling/dovetailing can be used ethically, but I also think it can be used unethically. I have seen some rehab departments use doubling/dovetailing quite well that was actually therapeutic psychosocially as well.  I have also seen rehab departments that

Re: [OTlist] doubling patient in acute rehab

2008-11-05 Thread cmnahrwold
I think doubling and dovetailing in unethical in acute rehab, since it is a rule from medicare.? I have not read the rules for SNFs. -Original Message- From: Brent Cheyne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Ron Carson Sent: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 6:16 pm Subject: Re: [OTlist] doubling patient in acute reh

Re: [OTlist] Doubling patients in acute rehab

2008-11-03 Thread cmnahrwold
Jennifer, I am talking about inpt rehab.? But none the less your comments about quality care were highly valued. -Original Message- From: McLaughlin, Jennifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: OTlist@OTnow.com Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 5:21 pm Subject: Re: [OTlist] Doubling patients in acute rehab

Re: [OTlist] Doubling patients in acute rehab

2008-11-03 Thread cmnahrwold
Barbara, That to me is doubling. Whether they are doing the same task or different tasks it is doubling. -Original Message- From: Barbara H. Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: otlist@otnow.com Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 4:36 pm Subject: [OTlist] Doubling patients in acute rehab I also work in a s

Re: [OTlist] Doubling patients

2008-11-03 Thread cmnahrwold
Sue, Can you explain what type of groups you are able to have and how you "clearly demonstrate that the group was in the clients best interest not the time/staff management of the unit".? I would love to hear about those forms that you have developed. Our unit has been doing great with the thre

Re: [OTlist] Doubling patients

2008-11-02 Thread cmnahrwold
Sue, Right now there is one OT and one OTA, one PT and one PTA, and one ST for the 13 bed rehab unit.? We see each patient for 1 hour to 1.5 hours per day in OT depending if ST is seeing them.? So with the unit full right now, I can potentially have 13 treatment sessions per day, which is hard t

[OTlist] Doubling patients

2008-11-02 Thread cmnahrwold
Hey gang, Just a little frustrated from last week at work.? I work in a small 13 bed acute rehab unit, in which the OTs have had a lot of pride in being occupationally based.? Just last week we were told we would have to start "doubling patients" at times because of increased census.? My boss is

Re: [OTlist] Best Practice

2008-10-29 Thread cmnahrwold
I think all of the described professions all facilitate function for their particular scope of practice.? As OTs we can facilitate function for a particular personal occupational goal.? The beauty of it comes when the patient can actually perform their desired goal.? The actual activity goal can

Re: [OTlist] Best Practice

2008-10-29 Thread cmnahrwold
Ron> And, I do not think  a  therapist  can  mentally  switch  from  Ron> component  level  to occupation  level  treatment. Maybe I'm Ron> wrong, but I think it's one or the other. But in your case study you are switching back and forth from the component level to eventually the

Re: [OTlist] Best Practice

2008-10-29 Thread cmnahrwold
Ron> But I think calling such focal  treatments  occupational  Ron> therapy,  is  not consistent with our history, framework, payers, Ron> patients and outcomes. I'm not sure what history you are talking about, but we were primarily created from a mental health framework, in which "occu

Re: [OTlist] Best Practice

2008-10-29 Thread cmnahrwold
Sorry about the typo: If you agree that it was occupational therapy, how can you justify that estim to the digit extensors in prep for functional reaching in which the patient's goal is to reach for items easier, is not occupational therapy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

Re: [OTlist] UE Evauation Yesterday...

2008-10-24 Thread cmnahrwold
Ron, What do you think about OTs that practice as occupation-based therapists but on occasion can switch gears and become impairment based minded?? I like how you said "no, I'm an occupational therapist doing lymphedema treatment".? I guess that is what I do when I help out in the hand therapy c

Re: [OTlist] Thoughts on Limiting Our Practice

2008-10-24 Thread cmnahrwold
I do not think an occupation-based approach to evaluation, treatment and outcomes limits the practice of OT.? I only think giving up on UE treatment in hand clinics and with stroke patients would debilitate the field of OT.? I have not disagreed on very many of your specific case studies that yo

Re: [OTlist] Clearly DelineatingOT and PT?

2008-10-21 Thread cmnahrwold
What should an OT do if the patient identifies that they want to be able to look to the left (attention?=body?function)?because of a right CVA?to their parietal lobe (body structure)?? They unfortunately do no personally state any occupations that they want to address in particular.? Should we p

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