Well said, Ann ...
Ann Sanfedele wrote:
It isn't that it is fun Amita - it is an important part of
developing a photographic vision - it is a heavey duty
teaching tool -
this from a gal who resisted it for a long time because I
was afraid I
would mess up the developing, being a klutz.
Amita Guha wrote:
I just got my new rangefinder, and I want
to start using it to shoot black and white
print film. Is there a particular brand/type that
is better than others?
There is no one brand or emulsion that is better than another. They
all have different characteristics and
tom wrote:
If you still don't want to do it, you may want to think about T400CN or XP2.
Sure, that's a fine suggestion, as far as it goes, and I agree that
for someone who only wants to see a lab print a BW photo those films
may be acceptable. But they are so limiting.
--
Shel Belinkoff
Mark Roberts writes:
The wide-angle zoom race continues, with Pentax trailing -- at least in
length.
Actually, Contax has only a 24-85 so *they're* trailing. Not that that means
anything. More isn't necessarily better.
Well if it's pure length you're after Pentax *does* have both the
Jim Apilado wrote:
Whoever owned it wanted a way to lock up
thee mirror and had Pentax install a switch
to allow it.
Are you sure Pentax installed it? I doubt it. More than likely it
was someone like Marty at NYC's Professional Camera Repair. Lot's of
good repair shops have modified
In a message dated 26/08/01 00:37:34 GMT Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
According to Bojidar's site, the K2 and the KX have mirror lock-up. Does
the
MX have it, too?
The MX does not. I believe it was designed for roving PJs, not the more
stringent technical photography.
Kind
In a message dated 26/08/01 05:32:20 GMT Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The largest tripod/head combination I now have is the Manfrotto 075/268
(Bogen 3036/3038) which I know will not be adequate for this lens.
Back in the dark old days of Canon, I had a Manfrotto 075 with 3D
Well of course all the rest of the world could never
hope to aspire to match our high moral standards :)
I mean you only have to look at Bill Clinton to see
that :)
--- Otis Wright, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Maybe in NZ, but not in the land of Oz.
Otis Wright
Jody wrote:
Or how
Would you mind awfully elaborating on that. This is
the first I have heard of it.
Jody.
--- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't forget the hidden MLU on the Pentax mechanical
bodies I
have found it quite useful, once mastered.
William Robb
Nice photo. I think however it would have been
improved if the blue jeep/car in the corner was not
visible. It seems to distract me.
Jody.
--- Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was wondering if someone could take a look
at this picture and tell me if the composition
is too busy:
The sunlight falling on the haze towards the horizon
really adds something. That would be the dusty WA
earth I suppose. I was watching it slowly loading and
thinking just another boring silhouette, but as soon
as that horizon appeared, I decided I really liked it.
My silhouettes just seem to look
Hi,
I see from one of the other replies that you don't want to get into
processing your own at the moment. In this case I would recommend you
to try Agfa Scala, which is a bw slide film. It's nominally rated at
EI 200, but you can pull it to 100 or push it to 1600. I like the
results at EI 200
Hi,
what was your purpose in taking the photograph? What were you aiming
to show? What do you plan to do with the photograph?
It's difficult to provide a critique without knowing something of your
intentions. When we know them we may be able to judge what, if any,
discrepancy there is between
Hi Jody,
Thanks for your comments, there was actualy heaps more fog than shown in the
shot.
I'm in Melbourne :)
Paul
From: Jody [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Week 4 Picture of the Week
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 01:43:46 -0700 (PDT)
The
If he's got a general or higher class license, maybe we can set up a
schedule.
Bill, KG4LOV
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My son got a bunch of ham radio gear, about $700 worth, for $140.
He's thrilled. He'll be on the air in a couple of months.
Collin
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Most mechanical Pentax's from the Spotmatic on could be tricked into mirror
lockup. To master it, cock the shutter and lightly and quickly tap the
shutter release button. If you here a click, the mirror swung up. Check it
in the finder and if blacked out, press the shutter release again and the
After these messages, I tried again with a K-1000 that is
actually not used and... you know what?
I was able to do the trick every time I tried :)
I tried with other bodies with variable results, I still have to
check the other K-1000s and the MX, but it is so simple now I
cannot believe it...
I
I don't think it is to busy but IMO it might look better if
the car roof was gone.Nice grain on thre wood.
Dave
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: request for critique
I was wondering if
Hi Bob ...
For me ... the price of a roll of Scala
with prepaid processing, is slightly less
than the cost of a roll of Tri-X plus
processing and contact sheet.
I don't think the cost here is so reasonable, although it's been a
while since I priced Scala or a contact sheet. The big
Tom your response tweaked my interest.Could you quickly explain
the process,might be interested in trying this.
BTW i use T400CN in my SP500,but now my store stocks the Kodak Select + which
i'm trying this week.
Dave
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To develop,
By asking comment if composition is busy, you kind of expecting 'guided
criticism/appreciation' ?
I saw this picture last night and was thinking and still thinking again -
you know what, relly liked the overall impact of the picture.
very good colors - good exposure and saturation. what film
I did a lot of black and white work during my college days - 20 years back
and tried different films. it was back in india, so all films were not
available as here in US, however, the 'pattern' would remain same i think.
point is you need to try different films to see which one gives your
My own method for inversion agitation is very gentle. I fill the
tank to nearly the top, so as to limit air space, and an
agitation cycle consistes of turning the tank over and giving a
half twist, then turning it back upright, again with a half
twist. I always twist the same direction. I use 6
At 12:36 AM 08/26/2001 -0700, you wrote:
Jim Apilado wrote:
Whoever owned it wanted a way to lock up
thee mirror and had Pentax install a switch
to allow it.
Are you sure Pentax installed it? I doubt it. More than likely it
was someone like Marty at NYC's Professional Camera Repair.
Just a thought, but has anyone tried using quality telecope tripods with
these long lenses? These tripods are designed to render star images as sharp
points of light. Quality telescope tripods might cost more but they'd give
rock steady support. (If we have any astrophotographers on
Since no one else mentioned it the horizon is not level.
Amita Guha wrote:
I was wondering if someone could take a look
at this picture and tell me if the composition
is too busy:
http://www.dirtybackroad.com/photos/critique/winelake.html
Thanks,
Amita
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I have used Tri-X with good results. I do NOT like the kind-of BW films
(Kodak) that can be processed with normal color processing. They have a
tint that I find yucky.
So, if you can have the developing works for about $60, how about some
recommendations from the list on what tanks, reels,
Interesting how this thread has progressed
I have years time and effort invested in Wife V1.7 (1.7 = 7 annual upgrades
of version 1.0). I acquired her as a version of Girlfriend long time ago.
I've even had a little (VERY little) success over the years adapting the
application for my
Explaining to us what you wanted to do might also help you to evaluate
the photograph less subjectively, and that way you might be able to
help yourself discover how to improve.
I guess I was trying to capture the vinyards and the lake beyond, with
the flowers in the foreground. I thought it
A friend of mine is using this Bogen head with his Nikkor 500 f4:
http://www02.bhphotovideo.com/default.sph/FrameWork.class?FNC=ProductActivat
or__Aproductlist_html___126663___BO3421___REG___CatID=22___SID=E8C59C6FBF0
That's the Bogen 3421 is that link is too broken up after I send this. I
Well, I don't know if somebody already pointed out this, but
it's difficult for me to understand where the focus is...
It seems to me that the lens was focused on the fence. If so,
the flowers suffer from this. Probably I would have focused on
the flowers and chosen a slower aperture.
Maybe
In a message dated 8/26/2001 6:59:57 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I
much prefer Scala over the chromogenics, even if it is more expensive
and difficult to use. The results are superb.
Shel-
Have you printed Scala on Ilfochrome? I find it rather easy to produce
Thanks to everyone who pointed out the existence of the
pentax-discuss-nomail list set up for precisely my
situation. If you see this message, that means I managed
not to screw up anything on my end...
-- Glenn
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I saw this picture last night and was thinking and still thinking again -
you know what, relly liked the overall impact of the picture.
very good colors - good exposure and saturation.
Thanks. :)
what film ?
I think Fuji Super HQ 200.
how you took
it ? are you inside something and
Pål explained:
Not sure what the shutter design has to do with the mirror,
..due to light leakage. Nikon offer double shutter curtains on
the F4 and F5 to avoid this. But then it might work with cloth shutters...
Ah! Okay, I see a connection there. In practice I've not seen
any problem
Catching up on stuff that piled up while I was gone, mostly... though
still backlogged, since I've been back almost a week.
Bob S. (I think) wrote:
As to the driving on the right and left hand side of the road, very few of us
wear swords anymore (?Glenn?) so it's OK for us to drive on the
David A. Mann wrote:
Mark Roberts writes:
The wide-angle zoom race continues, with Pentax trailing -- at least in
length.
Actually, Contax has only a 24-85 so *they're* trailing. Not that that means
anything. More isn't necessarily better.
Well if it's pure length you're
David wrote:
I ordered my FA* 600 4.0 today doing research on tripod/head combination to use
with it. The largest tripod/head combination I now have is the Manfrotto 075/268
(Bogen 3036/3038) which I know will not be adequate for this lens.
You're on the right track. I have used the 268
Thanks to everyone who responded. The Wimberly does appear to be the best one
suited for large lenses probably what I will get. BTW John I already have the
Pentax A 1.4XL 2XL convertors, I use them on my A* 300/2.8
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John DeLoach wrote:
Shel All,
Chances are good that it was done by
Pentax/Honeywell in Littleton, Colorado.
Here is a scan of the Honeywell brochure showing the most
popular focusing screens and the mirror lock up modification:
http://209.68.12.230/screens.htm
Mark Rofini
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Cripes, the girl buys a little HiMatic to fool around with b+w, and now
we're telling her she needs a darkroom and a 67.
tv
At 02:16 PM 8/26/2001 -0400, you wrote:
ha ha, i liked the way collin has put it, amita.
i replied your e-mail and then found many have already mentioned what i
was
Excellent site - thank you.
Maris
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From: Cory or Brenda Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: picking black and white print film
| I have used Tri-X with good results. I do NOT like the kind-of BW
films
|
Bob Walkden wrote:
I for one cannot switch between bw and colour
in the same session. A lot of people can, of course,
but don't be surprised if you find it difficult or
Ain't that the truth. Carrying two (or sometimes three) identical or
very similar bodies, each with the same film but
Does anyone know what the filter thread diameter is for this meter? I
loaned my calipers to a friend and won't be able to measure the thread
diameter for another week or so.
--
Shel Belinkoff
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Hi listers,
Well, I've finally succumbed and got myself an LX. I have to be honest,
and say that I thought I wasn't going to be that impressed, having used
MXs for years. How wrong I was! It is thoroughly and utterly the most
impressive camera I have handled and used (Canon, Nikon, Mamiya,
Shel,
Since I purchased it used, I can't tell if it was modified by Pentax. The
switch for the lockup is the same as the meter switch so I naturally assumed
that Pentax had done this.
Jim A.
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 00:36:37
Cotty wrote:
1. With a grip attached, what do LXers
do to attach a strap - and *don't*
want to hang it vertically (using the
two free lugs) ?
The grip that is available for the LX 2000 has an attachment point for
the strap lug.
on 8/26/01 1:51 PM, tom at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cripes, the girl buys a little HiMatic to fool around with b+w, and now
we're telling her she needs a darkroom and a 67.
Personally, I would use the Kodak BW+. I keep a Canon GIII loaded with this
in my car all the time. The results are
Thanks for the info on the fact that Honeywell Pentax did do modifications
on Pentax cameras. Shel thought mine was done by an independent repair
shop. My modified Spotmatic has the Clear Center Spot Prism with the cross
finder in the center.
Jim A.
From: Rofini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To:
Hi,
Shel wrote:
One thing that may help new BW shooters is to spend some time looking
through a filter that desaturates the color, and renders the scene
closer to what will be on the film than what your eye sees. These are
sometimes referred to as BW Viewing Filters. These are essentially
Jody asks about mirror lockup:
Would you mind awfully elaborating on that. This is
the first I have heard of it.
MLU is a control on the camera body that flips the mirror up without actually
taking the picture. So when you press the shutter release the only source of
vibration is the
As many among us I'm too overburdened by equipment. I have been using a LowePro Pro
trekker backpack but as the saying goes, when you fill them up they are too heavy to
lift. Since I'm using both medium format and 35mm format I have been struggling
streamlining my equipment choices for various
Bob Walkden wrote:
I like the
effect that a YG filter has on bw film very much, bringing the tones
closer to what we normally see, and it has the additional effect of
monochromatising (is that a word?) what I'm looking at, which helps
me with visualisation.
---
Me too. Yellow
Please, I was just trying to inject a little humor.
Did anyone find it humorous? Anyone? Hello? Well, ok.
Collin
At 03:47 PM 8/26/01 -0400, you wrote:
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:51:40 -0400
From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: picking black and white print film
Cripes, the girl buys a
Here is a scan of the Honeywell brochure showing the most popular
focusing screens
and the mirror lock up modification: http://209.68.12.230/screens.htm
Mark Rofini
Son of a.
THAT's probably how my dad got a split-image installed in his SPII!
Now all I gotta do is find some old
43.5!! This is an unusual size and I use step-up rings so I can read through
the filter. Very useful for black and white.
Bob
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Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 5:31 AM
Subject: Pentax Digital
On Sun, 26 Aug 2001, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Everything becomes instinctual and very fluid, and the equipment
becomes virtually transparent.
Must make for a lot of ruined film, eh? I thought that was why no one
used the transparent bodies...
:)
chris
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 13:49:42 -0400, you wrote:
John, I was wondering what about the sideway support is of concern to you? I
use the Kirk King Cobra head with my 600 and haven't run into anything that
I'm concerned about with it yet.
Ken Waller
My concerns are mainly theoretical, and probably
Cripes, the girl buys a little HiMatic to fool around with b+w, and now
we're telling her she needs a darkroom and a 67.
tv
On Sun, 26 Aug 2001, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
Please, I was just trying to inject a little humor.
Did anyone find it humorous? Anyone? Hello? Well, ok.
I
Chris Brogden suggested:
Light different parts of the shoe differently, so that some parts sparkle
and others show detail?
That thought struck me after I sent that message -- dunno why it
never came to me earlier.
Doug Franklin suggested:
Maybe surround them with five or more light sources
I got it, Collin, I got it :)
annsan laughed
Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
Please, I was just trying to inject a little humor.
Did anyone find it humorous? Anyone? Hello? Well, ok.
Collin
At 03:47 PM 8/26/01 -0400, you wrote:
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:51:40 -0400
From: tom [EMAIL
What! No Pentax zooms! I could see the weight go down if you carried a
zoom or two along with those primes.
Also, why own a 645? Didn't you question film flatness with the 645 when I
recommended that camera to someone who is interested in the 645 or the 67?
Jim A.
From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL
Opps !! make it 40.5. This was common with some view camera optics.
Bob
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43.5!! This is an unusual size and I use
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 20:10:50 +0200, you wrote:
In aperure priority mode set whatever exposure
you want that gives shutterspeed slower than 1/180s.
Lock that exposure - it takes a twist of the thumb.
Dial in exp. compensation. Thats it.
Its far easier and faster than on the Z-1p I used to
www.timkemp.net
uploaded my favorite five frames from my first full
film... be kind I know my horizons are skew
On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 17:47:15 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm going to try both of y'all's suggestions. Thanks. I'll let
you know how it comes out.
You could also try putting several lights at, say 1/4 or 1/8 or 1/16
power around it, then one at full power from the direction you think
Jim wrote:
What! No Pentax zooms! I could see the weight go down if you carried a
zoom or two along with those primes.
There exist no lightweight zoom that hold the optical standards I demand. The closest
thing is the FA* 28-70/2.8. However, its big, heavy, delicate and have rotating
John wrote:
By corollary, wouldn't the MZ-S technique apply to
other bodies? I mean, set the correct exposure at or
below synch speed, then dial in exp comp but don't
change aperture or shutterspeed - that technique
sounds pretty simple, and should work for any body in
which the TTL
Processing is very critical with T-Max 400. The wrong soup can turn it
into a grainy, contrasty mess. But it can be an excellent film if
handled correctly. Try exposing it at 320 ASA, then process it in D-76
1:1 for 10 minutes.
Joseph Tainter wrote:
Recently I needed to shoot some BW at high
Anyone using a Centon flash like to comment? Prices
seem too good to be true
At 08:40 PM 8/26/2001 -0400, you wrote:
I actually have a second bathroom that would be perfect for a
darkroom, but that would require asking my boyfriend to give up his
bathroom. :)
Uh-oh, you're showing weakness.
It's pretty easy to talk a guy into almost anything, but you probably know
The too bright might have been the processing - there is a
constant
error on the part of most labs in that regard... did you get
contacts or
prints? Big diff here. Contacts necessary.
The light meter on my camera tends to tell me to open
my aperture or slow my speed down a little more
Also try cross polarization. Mount two flash units with polarizers oriented the same
way. Mount a polarizer on your lens at 90-degrees polarization. Hopefully you have
TTL cause your gonna lose a lot of light. This technique is used to photograph
paintings without getting glare. Might
impressive exposures.
From: Tim S Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Personal gallery update, comments will be appreciated
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 23:39:10 +0100
www.timkemp.net
uploaded my favorite five frames from my first full film... be kind I
got my film back flim the lab . i shot i61 frames of the good guys car
show on july 14 here in columbus. used 2 pz1p bodies and a tokina 28-70
f2.8 and a tokina 19-35 f3.5-4.5 lenses. got 38 frames out of a roll
of 36. shot 5 rolls of 24 and got 1 extra frames from 3 of them. every
frame was a
Kevin - so glad you brought that up -- I mentioned it almost
a year ago when I first got on the list - no one seemed to
know about it. I was basically asking for exactly
what you explained - how to establish the angles. I was
thinking of using floods instead of flashes, tho for the two
every
frame was a keeper. exposure and color right on. film was fuji reala 100
shot on 100. just hda to tell some one .
Congrats! Scan some so we can see them. :)
--Amita
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And since I'm a transplanted New Zealander now living in Chicago, there's
some American stuff, too. Unfortunately and unbelievably,
there's nothing
on New Zealand, but I'll try to correct that over the next few months!
Great site, Richard. I liked a lot of the shots but the one that
Hi,
I requested a copy of the MZ-S Pentax Function sheet and a list member sent
it to me, i accidently deleted the email and forgot who sent it.
So i'm just saying thanks :)
Regards,
Paul Jones
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No, no, this email's got nothing to do with geology, I just thought it
wasn't fair that fellow Kiwis like David Mann and Jody should have all the
fun on this list, so I've decided to join up.
My photographic interests are travel, birds, insects, airshows, and
underwater photography (using
No, no, this email's got nothing to do with geology, I just thought it
wasn't fair that fellow Kiwis like David Mann and Jody should have all the
fun on this list, so I've decided to join up.
My photographic interests are travel, birds, insects, airshows, and
underwater photography (using
Hi.
Since our man Mike appears to be busy elsewhere right now, I thought I'd jump up here
and give a Mike-like assignment. All strictly voluntary, natch, but the results could
be interesting.
It's very simple: Write one sentence. In that sentence, tell us why you photograph. No
restrictions
Congratulations!
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
1. With a grip attached, what do LXers do to attach a strap - and *don't*
want to hang it vertically (using the two free lugs) ?
I learned to like it sideways!
2. Has anyone got a motordrive LX that's doing nothing, and wish to
consider
You have some cute kids.
Maris
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From: Tim S Kemp
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 5:39 PM
Subject: Personal gallery update, comments will be appreciated
www.timkemp.net
uploaded my favorite five frames from my first full film... be kind I know
Hmmm, how longer sentence can I write and still keep it grammatically
correct :)
Here's mine:
I enjoy the artistic and technical challenge of trying to the capture
something on film in the way that I envisage.
I'll probably think of a better one soon :)
Regards,
Paul Jones
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I photograph because the film exists.
Regards,
Bob...
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It's very simple: Write one sentence. In that sentence, tell us why you
photograph. No restrictions on sentence length. It can be simple and
declarative. It can be a Faulknerian odyssey. It just needs
I like photo groupies.
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Photography is an itch that I have to scratch
--Mark (http://www.westerickson.net)
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If you want to shoot BW and try to see the world in BW, but also plan to
scan your images, then use chromogenic BW like Ilford EXP II, Kodak BW
+,
Konica Monochrome. These will scan much better than traditional BW and
you can still have the BW
Picture me Pentax.
Jim A.
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Hi.
Since our man Mike appears to be busy elsewhere right now, I thought I'd jump
up here and give a Mike-like
At 10:15 24.8.2001 -0400, Bob S. wrote:
I know.. I know... I just upgraded (in June) from
Wife V1.0 after the first year to V2.0 .. it
works fluently so far :-) But I know it helps
to have the software development kit and I can
make small changes myself. But as you say, the
hardware issues
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