About 2750 for me. About 1000 of those came in the 3 days I
got to spend on my own time in Singapore this week. It will
be a few days but I will get some posted. Including the shot
of the sign warning of pickpockets at work...
Stan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, here's a poll:
How many shots
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we shouldnt't think of 'sharpening' as
something that can be set to 'zero'. The camera software always does an
interpretation of the data it gets from the sensor and this can result in
images looking less or more sharp, depending on what the designer intended.
This
At 06:00 PM 1/23/2004, Shel wrote:
More and more the photographs we see have a generic look about them ...
so many people are using slower zoom lenses, 400 speed film, lab
processing, and relying on cameras with meters that do the thinking, that
it's becoming rare to find photographs that are
Bill, do you remember the Great Printing Shoot-Out you ran (last year?
2002?). I never got to hear how it went, or who else sent in any entries,
but you may recall I sent you both a wet print and an inkjet from your
negative. I'd be interested in your analysis of them - frank, of course
(not
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, here's a poll:
How many shots so far with your *ist D?
I'm at 1565
I'm SURE I'm mid to low on the list.
201. Not bad really on how often I see it (mutters). The other user has
pushed it well into 4 figures.
Malcolm
One of my idols is gone, his work has always inspired
me and I will forever remember him..
--- Pat White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a
shocker! He just turned 80 in 2001, and was
still doing good work.
Helmut will be missed. Was his wife June with him?
Pat White
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, here's a poll:
How many shots so far with your *ist D?
I'm at 1565
~1500 in two months. I usually did about 2000 per year with my film body
:-)
--
Best regards
Sylwek
Guys,
For some unknown reason I have encountered a problem with my *istD and it's
built in flash.
When I deploy the in built flash, the battery check indicator shows
empty,and the auto focus stops working.
When I mount my 360FGZ on it, the high speed sync flash grossly overexposes
rendering it
I constantly return to his pictures.
One sad, terrible loss.
Alin
Lasse wrote:
LK Helmut Newton died today, Friday, in a car crash in Hollywood.
LK Apparently he lost control of his car and crashed into a wall.
Message rearranged.
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Paul Stenquist wrote:
On Jan 23, 2004, at 4:56 PM, Raimo Korhonen wrote:
What´s the general opinion of this lens?
I bought one quite cheaply, 50 Euros - the mount is strangely corroded
but seems to work OK.
I have the lens. i use it
Hi folks,
since der komkon server seems to be down for the unforseeable future I
decided to put at least the January PUG on my own website.
This means:
Some links on this page are NOT!!! working.
But you have at least a link to Josteins page and you can look at the
pictures of January.
Since I
Adelheid wrote:
AvK I will work out something more convenient if the komkon server stays out for
AvK good.
To the PUG team and anybody else interested,
If the komkon (a private non-lucrative initiative) is going down, I
suggest it's time to make our own server. Prices of hosting and
So, here's a poll:
How many shots so far with your *ist D?
I'm at 1565
I'm SURE I'm mid to low on the list.
Cory
Not with a *istD but over 16,000 with the D1 since July 2001:-)
Dave
i've been on the slow side. only 850. i've changed jobs and don't get to go
out and shoot even as much as just once a weekend. leave home before light,
get back after dark, run and do errands on weekend. also, i still use it a
lot like my film camera. i shoot only if i think the shot might be good
I have noticed that objects in the edges get distorted (pulled
long) but I guess this is normal for such lenses (I noticed my new
to me K18/3.5 does that too).
It is normal (and unavoidable) for normal rectilinear wide-angle
lenses to do this - it is the result of the wide-angle perspective.
it strikes me that the shooters are the ones who bought and fondlers didn't.
Herb
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 2:22 AM
Subject: Re: DIG: how many?
Not with a *istD but over 16,000 with the D1 since July 2001:-)
the mount is strangely corroded but seems to work OK
I wonder what sort of corrosion it has, Raimo. I once had an M*
300/4 that was in overall great shape, except that it had been
corroded on the surface of the K-mount flange (I assumed it had been
left on a body with some water between the
Hi!
g OK, 1. You did not have the camera level. If it was the subject would have been
g leaning slightly forward into the frame, as it is he is leaning back slightly
g and it give the view a teetery feeling almost with out knowing why. If you had
g errored in the other direction it would not
Hi!
DM Yes, I am glad that I saw the photo before I read that.
DM On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
Also, would the balls and face be in focus if shooting at f2?
DM Now I'm scared to open this photo. :)
And you say I am the one being *behind* the language barrier
VBBroadG...
Hi!
g As I said subtile. The emotional undercurrent in a photo is far more important
g than most photographers seem to realize.
I am afraid I am going to admit that I still have to start scratching
the surface of that.
g Is he? Or is he explaining, or is he arguing. The feeling from the photo
Shel,
Adding in-law to both mother and son wherever applicable gives this
joke totally different perspective, does it not? VBG
SB A nice Jewish mother gave her son two ties for his birthday. Wanting to show
SB his appreciation for the gift, he wore one to dinner the next evening. Upon
SB
Hi!
SB I'd agree with that, yet for the type of work Boris was showing, such
SB creative work with flash is not gonna cut it. For ambient light
SB photography (I almost said available light, but some smartass would counter
SB that the camera flash IS available) one will do much better by
SB
Hi!
PS How true. When you don't have to think about exposure, you stop
PS thinking about light. When you stop thinking about light, you produce
PS crap. I didn't look at the photos in question, so I can't comment on
PS that. But I agree that an on camera flash is almost never the right
PS
566. Which, of course, is far, far more than I've ever shot with film
in a 6 week period.
Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi!
SB I recently put up a pic for a few people to comment upon. Ann really tore
SB into me for posting such crap. One of her comments was that it was obvious
SB that I wasn't thinking about the light. So, while the subject was good (she
SB allowed me that much g) the photograph was poor. I
The Pentax photo lab (PPL) white balance is very nice, but I only need
it so often. I haven't had quite as much luck as Bill with the manual
white balance. That indoor swimming pool (where I have done most of my
manual balancing) has the most troublesome lights. I also wonder if the
lighting
My score is 1149 since early November.
Looking at my archive, I have shot about 10,000 35mm in the last 12 years, and
another 1500 645 frames in the last 6 years.
My shooting habits have changed a bit, but not as much as the differences in
numbers indicate. I'm still interested in the same
Hell, yes. Don't you people have a life? g
As a side point, I am beginning to think about organizational problems.
I'm going to have many more images than I did before, so I need
something sensible. Events are easy, but day-to-day shooting is going
to get lost.
Steven Desjardins
Department
BTW, I was in DC on Thursday and I had my MZ-S with me. I still switch
back and forth since I still enjoy using the MZ-S. For the first time
however, I really missed the instant feedback and felt especially
constricted about pressing the shutter release. That shoot at will
attitude is
Jostein:
Looking at my archive, I have shot about 10,000 35mm in the last 12 years, and
another 1500 645 frames in the last 6 years.
Interesting excercise! Looking at my archive, I have in 17 years shot
somewhere between 10,000 and 12,000 pictures with 35mm, 10mm and APS
cameras.
In August, I
Where my website is hosted -- http://detailhosting.com/ -- it costs me $5.95 a
month, but the PUG may need more bandwidth and space than I have (5gig, 250mb),
so it may cost a bit more than that. In any case web hosting is not as expensive
as it used to be.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Alin
Bob S. wrote:
Rac Alin or anyone,
Rac What would the annual cost of something like this be?
For 800 MB storage and 2 GB bandwidth I expect 10$/month. [2
GB/month is a rough figure but I really don't think current PUG
traffic is anywhere close to that; somebody in the PUG team with
-Original Message-
From: Anders Hultman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jostein:
Looking at my archive, I have shot about 10,000 35mm in the last 12
years, and another 1500 645 frames in the last 6 years.
Interesting excercise! Looking at my archive, I have in 17
years shot
Well, first of all, Adelheid:
Complaints? Are you kidding? Complaints?!?
Sounds to me like you and Jostein are going way above and beyond the call of
duty trying to sort this stuff out (none of which, obviously your fault).
I'd say a big huge thanks is in order for your efforts in getting
On 23/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
Actually, Herb, it isn't too bad! At one time my sister-in-law's father
worked for Technicolour in the UK, and we could get substantial amounts of
film for no cost from him (don't know whether he had to pay for it). My
brother and I both used it, and the
Ken,
You may be thinking of the fellow poised to go down the long flight of
stairs that Ryan posted last week or so?
I can't take responsibility for that one. I don't think I have any mountain
bike shots.
cheers,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The
Thanks, John,
Great stories, those. I'm glad to hear that your and your better half are
still riding. Who was it that called bicycles mankind's noblest
invention? Of course, I too love bikes. I'm about 5 years younger than
you, so I must confess that I lusted for a Stingray (actually,
Hi!
AF To play it safe we should cover the expenses for the next two years
AF so this makes 280$. I am willing to contribute with up to $40.
I think I can contribute the similar figure. So count me in.
As for the currency: well - indeed, I can send funds only by means of
PayPal. I hope it
-Original Message-
From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm a bit of an odd duck here ... never used a flash, don't
own a flash, can't see any reason to do so.
So, basically you have no experience with what you're talking about?
Your way or the highway?
Boris - you
On 24/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
The Sting Rays and other new bikes were considered sissy stuff, too
clean and dainty for us.
Wow, the memories are flooding back. I had a Schwinn Sting Ray when I was
about 11 (1971). Three speed stick shift into a Sturmey-Archer hub. There
was a cool mod
Just had a word with my next PUG subject ('portraits') and oh boy, she's
a cracker. Up and coming journalist with looks to die for. She liked my
work and said yeah sure.
melt
This is what a fast Pentax prime lens was made for..
Cheers,
Cotty
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On 24/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
As a side point, I am beginning to think about organizational problems.
I'm going to have many more images than I did before, so I need
something sensible. Events are easy, but day-to-day shooting is going
to get lost.
This is a very valid point, and
Excellent pictures but what an ugly place!
Don
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http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams
Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
See New Pages 'The Cement Company from HELL!'
Updated: August 15, 2003
Oh my God! They've killed Teddy!
- Original Message -
-Original Message-
From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 24/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
The Sting Rays and other new bikes were considered sissy stuff, too
clean and dainty for us.
Wow, the memories are flooding back. I had a Schwinn Sting
Ray when I was about 11
On 24/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
and who would be willing to contribute?
In 1998 I contributed to a new home for the Dome Home list web presence.
I would certainly contribute here. I think back then it was 10 bucks per,
and I think I gave 20 or 30 if memory serves. US dollars is the
i doubt anyone's shooting rate will decrease much after the first couple of
months. as far as rate of shots that get into the print for display list,
i also doubt many people's will change. the quality of what gets onto that
list will rise.
Herb
- Original Message -
From: graywolf
In this instance, yes ... for party pics, flash is Oh so cool. Nice for
weddings too, and product shots.
tom wrote:
Your way or the highway?
Boris,
Don't sweat it, buddy! I think you're thinking too hard. Not that I have
any idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about, but really, you've got to
just go with the flow.
Shel's sage advice is obviously what one should strive for, but I think what
you want is to internalize it. To
On Jan 24, 2004, at 1:06 PM, tom wrote:
Contrary to the prevailing wisdom
here, it takes a lot more skill to use flash and get interesting
results
than to use available light and get interesting results.
I agree wholeheartedly. There are so many options with flash that can
alter your results.
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:45:37 +, Cotty wrote:
This is what a fast Pentax prime lens was made for..
That wouldn't be the same lass from the James Bond photos, would it?
TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
You're a married man now, Cotty.
Calm down...
Can't wait to see her, though. vbg
cheers,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist
fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax list
Cotty wrote:
Sensurround and loads of popcorn :-)
My goodness; the last time I heard the word sensurround, it was in a record
by the Sex Pistols.
Malcolm
Note 1# Sex Pistols were a punk group of the previous century.
Note 2# Record is a primitive recording medium superseded by the CD DVD.
Hi,
Lasse Karlsson wrote:
Helmut Newton died today, Friday, in a car crash in Hollywood.
Apparently he lost control of his car and crashed into a wall.
news of this seems to be thin on the ground. I got a very interesting
response from google with helmut newton dead
mike
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
More bleak news today wrt Kodak abandoning even more film
production. Details not important here ... Google is a good
place to search for them.
BUT ... I was wondering how many here still use Kodak as
their primary source for film.
Actually, I was loyal to Kodak for
Count me in. I'll throw in some skins for our own site.
Larry from Prescott
Hi folks,
since der komkon server seems to be down for the unforseeable future I
decided to put at least the January PUG on my own website.
Thank you,
Adelheid.
Hi!
AF To play it safe we should cover the expenses for the next two years
AF so this makes 280$. I am willing to contribute with up to $40.
I think I can contribute the similar figure. So count me in.
As for the currency: well - indeed, I can send funds only by means of
PayPal. I
On 24/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
As a side point, I am beginning to think about organizational problems.
I'm going to have many more images than I did before, so I need
something sensible. Events are easy, but day-to-day shooting is going
to get lost.
This is a very valid
From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
Lasse Karlsson wrote:
Helmut Newton died today, Friday, in a car crash in Hollywood.
Apparently he lost control of his car and crashed into a wall.
news of this seems to be thin on the ground. I got a very interesting
response from google with
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
More bleak news today wrt Kodak abandoning even more film
production. Details not important here ... Google is a good
place to search for them.
BUT ... I was wondering how many here still use Kodak as
their primary source for film.
For the last several years,
I've tried to reach Igor, but the whole server is down, so no mails to him
are possible either.
I am sure they know that the server is down and are working on it.
I think the hardware crashed. And since they are a nonprofit organisation it
will take time to reestablish the service.
Moving
Nice, I notice you are a real photographer too grin. I have a shot I want to
get, but the wind here in the mountains has been so high since I discovered the
vista that I have been scared to put up my camera on the tripod there. Well one
thing for sure, the mountains are not going anywhere while
Call it muscle memory, or whatever.
Damn, Frank ... that was the term i was looking for.
Recently read a few articles about it, even how it's
used in the military for certain maneuvers.
And, sometimes, despite being quite flawed, a shot works anyway.
How true ... a perusal of
- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell
Subject: Florida in January
It was a fantastic day yesterday in South Florida (70 degrees)
and I took a few shots at Ft. Lauderdale Beach:
http://jcoconnell.com/temp/ftlaud.htm
Sorry Snowbirds...But I do get to gloat this time of year!
Lived farther away from the factory?
frank theriault wrote:
The phrase I'll
always remember (I don't know why, but I do), is at the end of the live
promos, Captain Kangaroo always added, paranthetically, Prices slightly
higher in the South and in the West. I always wondered what those
How many weddings is that, Tom?
tom wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Anders Hultman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jostein:
Looking at my archive, I have shot about 10,000 35mm in the last 12
years, and another 1500 645 frames in the last 6 years.
Interesting excercise! Looking at my
I'd be willing to kick in towards the total cost as well. 2 gigs of
bandwidth sounds a bit low to me, though - hopefully someone at Komkon (is
Igor still around?) can help get some stats on past usage.
- MCC
At 07:25 PM 1/24/2004 +0200, you wrote:
Bob S. wrote:
Rac Alin or anyone,
Rac What
On the topic of a home for PUG
Perhaps www.smugmug.com should be given consideration as a home for
pug. There are several advantages.
Storage is unlimited at all subscription levels.
Bandwidth allowances are as follows:
2 gigabytes per month at the standard $29.95 per year level.
4 gigabytes
30 or 35? Some big, some small, some portraits, some personal stuff.
It's just a guess...once I got a 2nd camera my numbering got screwed up.
tv
-Original Message-
From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 3:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:
Firstly I didn't do anything revolutionary to the pictures, secondly I don't usually
upload pictures anywhere (except to an old test folder at photo.net), thirdly I don't
know if Boris would like to have his pictures uploaded anywhere...
Having said that - I guess I could mail it to anyone
Perhaps www.smugmug.com should be given consideration as a home
for pug. There are several advantages.
Hey - pug.smugmug.com. Kinda rolls off the tongue, eh? g
Fred
(is Igor still around?)
The only email address I have for Igor (which I've used for PLG
purposes) is a komkon.org address...
Fred
I can host the site (on a more permanent basis).
I have ~50GB of disk space and 700GB per month with my current hosting plan.
I could even throw up a web-based forum-type dealie if y'all wanted to
consider a non-email approach to PDML going forward.
-Chris
I think the first thing we need to do is decide if we
need to do anything :-)
Then, if we *do* decide to move away from komkon, do we
want to just use one of the photo-hosting sites such as
smugmug (which looks good at first inspection), or do we
want something with a little more
I do, however, reserve the right to ask (*not* require/demand) donations to
help offset the cost of maintaining the site. :-)
- Original Message -
From: Chris Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 03:36 PM
Subject: Re: ONLY - PUG January is on
Indeed it does! What would that cost per person about a buck a year?
The only question I have is, has the site been around a while?
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
- Original Message -
From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 12:22 PM
If I understand this correctly you are willing to be the next PUGmeister?
I don't think you would give me access to your site, do you?
Cheers
Adelheid
-Original Message-
From: Chris Hamilton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Samstag, 24. Januar 2004 21:40
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:
it's not listed on the BH site yet.
Herb
Just 1324$ in such a fantastic set... It's a steal!
http://www.adorama.com/catalog.tpl?op=detailssku=IPXISTDK
--
Best regards
Sylwek
Body alone is more expensive. Must be an error. If I buy it at that
price, will they honor their price? I'll try... But too nice to be
true...
Andre
All the screwmount era Pentax takumar macro lenses
are indeed very sharp but only in the closeup range
for which they are designed. They are only average
at infinity and only then if stopped down quite a bit.
JCO
J.C.
I am willing to contribute as well.
On Jan 24, 2004, at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi!
AF To play it safe we should cover the expenses for the next two
years
AF so this makes 280$. I am willing to contribute with up to $40.
I think I can contribute the similar figure. So count me in.
On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 16:12, Christian wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Jeff Jonsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Got slightly bad news for you, The *istD has a problem with TTL flash
metering.
It does? I have not had problems with flash photography with mine
It is reported he
- Original Message -
From: Adelheid v. K. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 03:57 PM
Subject: RE: ONLY - PUG January is on my website
If I understand this correctly you are willing to be the next PUGmeister?
Sure. Why not?
I don't think you
This really explains a lot...
At 12:41 PM 1/24/04, you wrote:
On 24/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
The Sting Rays and other new bikes were considered sissy stuff, too
clean and dainty for us.
Wow, the memories are flooding back. I had a Schwinn Sting Ray when I was
about 11 (1971). Three
Well the guestion comes to mind is could the list, pug, and archives all be
moved to a new server?
Doug holds the pdml.net domain name so a new one would not be needed if he
agreed to that.
The only thing is that folks would have to be as dedicated as Doug is or in the
end we could lose
At 06:00 PM 24/01/2004, you wrote:
From: Pat White
Although there's been no mention on TV so far, Helmut's death was reported
on the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) news window this morning on
the MSN.CA homepage.
I read about it in the newspaper this morning. The Ottawa Citizen, no less
One area where I find flash invaluable is moving macro subjects. It would be virtually
impossible to take a picture of a honeybee on a flower with sufficient depth of field
without flash (I don't believe in faking such pictures by stunning the subject). Even
more true of a bee in flight.
Nick
1085
arnie
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 9:03 PM
Subject: DIG: how many?
So, here's a poll:
How many shots so far with your *ist D?
I'm at 1565
I'm SURE I'm mid to low on the list.
Cory
---
Outgoing
I don't really think we need to move from komkon, as long as komkon
are happy for us to be there (and our bandwidth needs are met).
One thing I would like to see, though, is more flexibility in the
way viewers select the images. At present it's a by month display.
I'd certainly like to be able
I am also in Florida, but an 8-hour drive away from Ft. Lauderdale, in the
panhandle.
It was sunny here but only 64º.
By the way, up here Snowbirds is the term for those people from the northern
climes who come here during the winter.
Shot quite a bit this morning for a charitable 5k race.
This one time, at PDML camp, everybody wrote:
Something about a new server
Has anybody contacted the admin from the existing KOMKON to
see what the problem is?
Could they do with our financial support?
Kind regards
Kevin
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Shut up.
Shut up.
Shut up.
Shut up.
Shut up.
only 64
Let's see, that would be about +18 or +19C.
Right. The temp when I left the house today at about noon was -19C. I
could be wrong, but I think that's around 0F. Just heard on the news today,
that we haven't even come close to the
I went back and looked at the pics again, and I ~really~ like the second one
a lot. The guy's face has a great deal of character. He has a sort of
self-satisfied smile; he seems a very confident and friendly person, very
outgoing. I think you captured a great deal of his character here,
70°? Ha! - it's been over 30° C here for days - that's over 86°F!
Even Floridians(?) would melt today.
John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
- Original Message -
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: Florida in
Count me in - I can pay using PayPal, and I'm happy to research where we
can get decent storage space and bandwidth usage. Can we get an idea how
much we'd need?
I'd suggest contributions be in US $, as most of us can pay with them via
credit cards, Paypal etc.
John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
you can shut up too, John
vbg
-frigid frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist
fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
From: John Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Florida in January
Date: Sun,
I see, I guess I should have called them snow shovelers?
:)
JCO
J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com
64 degrees F here today, and ice storm with high of 32F expected for
tomorrow. Here's what the National Weather Service is saying:
NCZ048-053-065072-082-SCZ003-006009-012014-250330-
BUNCOMBE NC-CABARRUS NC-CHEROKEE SC-CHESTER SC-CLEVELAND NC-
GASTON NC-GREATER GREENVILLE SC-GREENVILLE MOUNTAINS
I'd be in for that as well. I think we should wait to hear from komkon
about what happened before we decide anything, but it's nice to know that
there are alternatives. Perhaps we could offer komkon a yearly
contribution to partly repay their generosity and bandwidth.
chris
On Sun, 25 Jan
Gidday from a very hot 101 degree Maryborough , Queensland, Australia.
Boy could we do with some of this.:)
Cheers,
Ross.
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