Re: Finally got my K10D. but........(update)

2007-01-10 Thread John Francis
Ah, but I'm only showing you the shots that worked :-) I shot seven or more rolls of film that day at the animal park, and at least that many on almost all of the motorsports weekends. On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 08:05:12PM -0500, Kenneth Waller wrote: > I'd say not only is the lens pretty good but

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Gonz
Thats where it gets murky. Because of the size of the skeletons, they were considerably larger than modern humans, but still within the range of modern man. The teeth are purported to have been very large also. The cranial capacity does indicate Homo Sapiens. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > They w

Re: Finally got my K10D. but........(update)

2007-01-10 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 11:20:52PM -0600, William Robb wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "John Francis" Subject: Re: Finally got my K10D. but(update) > > > > > >http://www.panix.com/~johnf/gallery/images/sdwap615.jpg > > > That is an incredibly surreal picture. Isn'

Re: Finally got my K10D. but........(update)

2007-01-10 Thread John Francis
It appears I bought this lens some time in 1999, judging from the modification dates on the initial comparison pages. That's some time before the Long Beach race, which was April 2001 IIRC. The San Diego Wild Animal Park shots were just about the first time I used this lens. The other shots are

Re: Strange 360FGZ behaviour with K10D

2007-01-10 Thread Thibouille
I just checked the 540FGZ manual from Pentax website. It does work the same way. And Btw, My Z1 acts like that too in HyP mode but normal P will allow A/M modes. Go figure... If Metz does come with a good compatible (yeah not Sigma I mean) PTTL shoe I will go Metz way. Period. > PL> Yeah indeed

Re: Pentax rebate programme started

2007-01-10 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 10:29:05PM -0700, Mike Hamilton wrote: > On 1/10/07, K.Takeshita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.pentaximaging.com/purchase/rebates_offers/ > > > > Ken > > I thought, coming from you Ken, that this might apply to Canada also. > > Not that I need any more encourag

Re: OT: Only in England (revisited)

2007-01-10 Thread Brian Walters
Just checking my calendar - I seem to have missed a couple of months (it is April 1, isn't it?) :-) Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia Quoting Stan Halpin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I am sure this has been around a few times but don't remem

Re: Finally got my K10D. but........(update)

2007-01-10 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 10, 2007, at 9:20 PM, William Robb wrote: >>http://www.panix.com/~johnf/gallery/images/sdwap615.jpg > > That is an incredibly surreal picture. Surreal, DaDa art ... Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Boris Liberman
> I didn't sense that you were Ken (trying to force the same suit). > > I think your point has been that you are willing to take toleration to about > any extreme. But when those for whom you have a natural tolerance, begin to > infringe on your freedoms then they are overstepping their bounds.

PESO-- Reworking an old image

2007-01-10 Thread Mike Hamilton
I've been lacking inspiration or motivation these days, and so I am trying to re-work older images. Also trying to improve my BW conversions. Tell me what you think. http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/?p=162 (original image located at http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/?p=62) Enjoy. -- -- Cheers, [EMA

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "David Savage" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > The better idea is to stop encroaching on their natural habitat & > separate man & bear. You'll seperate me from my beer when the Riders win the Grey Cup. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PD

Re: Finally got my K10D. but........(update)

2007-01-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "John Francis" Subject: Re: Finally got my K10D. but(update) > >http://www.panix.com/~johnf/gallery/images/sdwap615.jpg > > That is an incredibly surreal picture. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/ma

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread P. J. Alling
They were also fully "modern humans", who we know are adaptable, and in many ways as hard to kill as a cockroach. Gonz wrote: > Well, here's the archeological evidence that led the author to that > conclusion: > * they had no agricultural technology, i.e. they were hunter gatherers, > thi

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Boris Liberman
Ken, I see what you're saying. Or at least I hope I do. However the phrase "I don't hate foreigners, but I detest their efforts to bring their country with them.", which I guess you remember, evidently can be understood in more than one way. I am very much willing to accept that the way I under

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Christian" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence >> Bill, you're the greatest Mark!! HAR William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Pentax rebate programme started

2007-01-10 Thread Mike Hamilton
On 1/10/07, K.Takeshita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.pentaximaging.com/purchase/rebates_offers/ > > Ken I thought, coming from you Ken, that this might apply to Canada also. Not that I need any more encouragement. That DA14 is calling me. -- Cheers, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MichaelHamilton

Paris 13-19 January

2007-01-10 Thread Stan Halpin
For those who live in and around Paris, or might be passing through, I'll be staying near Etoile during the indicated period... Call me at +44 7738 780463 to get together for coffee, beer, wine, and/or photography (not necessarily in that order). Stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdm

Re: Finally got my K10D. but........(update)

2007-01-10 Thread David Savage
I agree. But Pentax photographic equipment is usually pricier than in North America. Cheers, Dave On 1/11/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They look high to me, unless Australian Dollerettes have lost lots of > value lately. > > jim wrote: > > I fired off an email to sigma with my

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread David Savage
The better idea is to stop encroaching on their natural habitat & separate man & bear. I've got some rather gory pictures here showing what happens when a black bear catches a man. It isn't pretty. Cheers, Dave On 1/11/07, Walter Hamler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I personally subscribe to the

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Gonz
Well, here's the archeological evidence that led the author to that conclusion: * they had no agricultural technology, i.e. they were hunter gatherers, this came from their fossilized remains + the remains of their prey * they were huge, large skulls and bones * their weap

Pentax rebate programme started

2007-01-10 Thread K.Takeshita
http://www.pentaximaging.com/purchase/rebates_offers/ Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT: Has anyone photographed, or at least seen, this UFO?

2007-01-10 Thread David Savage
On 1/11/07, Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 10, 2007, at 4:56 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > > > Of course I know that, Bob. I just used that term to get > > everyone's attention. > > Just living up to my reputation as a PITA. I like PITA bread sandwiches. Dave :-) -- PDML Pent

Re: Fast and wide for a K100D

2007-01-10 Thread Beaker
On Jan 10, 2007, at 8:43 AM, Cory Papenfuss wrote: >> I have a new K100D, and am looking for a fast, wide (roughly 12mm) >> lens. >> Any suggestions? >> >> I've been thinking about the 16mm Zenitar fisheye lens. From what I >> have seen, it comes in several versions. As a Pentax K mount, with >

Re: OT: Only in England (revisited)

2007-01-10 Thread David Savage
ROTFLMAO That's priceless (To the tune of £7.4 million :-) Cheers, Dave On 1/11/07, Stan Halpin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am sure this has been around a few times but don't remember if it > made it onto PDML or not... > > Stan > --- > > £7m cost of telling staff how to keep desks

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
Well there certainly was a period of global warming following the last ice age. Whether or not it had anything to do with the demise of this ancient civilization is obviously uncertain. Paul On Jan 10, 2007, at 10:43 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > Oh, I agree that there were precursors to the curre

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread P. J. Alling
Oh, I agree that there were precursors to the current Native Americans, there's a fare amount of evidence, of them, but global warming killing them off, really. That's what's silly. Gonz wrote: > What's silly about it. Its not talking about the native americans that > were here when the Europ

OT: Only in England (revisited)

2007-01-10 Thread Stan Halpin
I am sure this has been around a few times but don't remember if it made it onto PDML or not... Stan --- £7m cost of telling staff how to keep desks tidy By Paul Stokes Last Updated: 3:03am GMT 05/01/2007 Civil servants are being trained how to keep their desks tidy as part of a £7 mil

Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2

2007-01-10 Thread Mishka
i am still waiting for more fun to come... best, mishka On 1/10/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Has he called anyone an idiot yet in this thread? > > William Robb > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML

Re: Is this the norm for Polorizer's or is it.....

2007-01-10 Thread John Celio
> When i zoomed in on the silo, the side of it had really bad colour > noise on the sunnier side of it. Some not so bad in the blue of the sky. > No matter what exp comp i used the shots were all ubder exposed here. I think we'd need to see the actual photos to be able to help here. How about po

Re: Finally got my K10D. but........(update)

2007-01-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
Beautiful shots, John. A superb lens in the hands of an excellent photographer yields great results. Didn't you buy the lens just a few days before that Long Beach race where we met? I remember you mentioning it at the time, but I was so overwhelmed with what I had to shoot there that every

Re: GFM: Nature Photography Weekend reminder - ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO

2007-01-10 Thread cesar_abdul
On 1/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mark, > > > > There was no money in it so I have become a nomadic Sherpa :-) Among > > other things... I heard you'll do almost anything for money... cheers, frank ;-) -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresso

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Gonz
What's silly about it. Its not talking about the native americans that were here when the Europeans arrived. Its talking about their predecessors. How do you explain their archeological remains? rg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > That's just silly... > > Gonz wrote: > >>A book I'm reading righ

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Jan 10, 2007, at 8:38 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote: > Like I said before, even if some anthropologist comes > across evidence of the most brutal tribe in the > history of man, They already have. > I won't be swayed on my belief that > Native Americans were a remarkable people. Besides, > looking

Re: Strange 360FGZ behaviour with K10D

2007-01-10 Thread Bruce Dayton
Not having used a Metz, every flash I have ever used has behaved more like the AF360FGZ. Basically because the settings were all on mechanical switches that couldn't be set from the body. If you look at a Pentax AF280T or AF400T, you will see this type of unit. Most older flashes were like that,

Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-10 Thread Mark Cassino
cbwaters wrote: > A Banker whose name is Cassino? > Right... > > CW > ;) LOL - the house always wins. I don't take any offense from your comment, but I have to say - had you made that comment to my father or grandfather (may they rest in peace) they would have come down with a bad case of

Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-10 Thread Mark Cassino
Boris Liberman wrote: > Mark, having dealt with many people who are involved with trading and > having dealt with you about that exhibition you had in Israel, I should > say, you're the most friendly and generally enjoyable person (involved > with money professionally) I've known. Well, this is

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread K.Takeshita
On 1/10/07 8:13 PM, "P. J. Alling", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's a theory that Mohawk is derived either from the Narraganset word > for man-eater or the Unami term that translates as cannibal-monsters. > Whether it was due to their warlike nature or actual eating of human > flesh it could

Re: Strange 360FGZ behaviour with K10D

2007-01-10 Thread Peter Loveday
>> It sounds like >> you are wanting the A mode to basically function like it was TTL - >> basically taking any readings/changes you make on the camera and then >> setting the flash to the same. So basically the only difference with >> that and TTL is that the sensor is in the flash instead of the

Re: PESO - Circles of Man

2007-01-10 Thread Rick Womer
I like it--but what is it?? Rick --- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5435439 > > > Tom C. > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW __

RE: PESO: Wernigerode Castle Gate

2007-01-10 Thread Rick Womer
Thanks, Tim. I appreciate your comments (and the others'). Rick --- Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well done Rick. > I like that you have kept so much of the > surroundings and the lights near > the ground, adds mood and atmosphere. > > > Tim > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Adam Maas
Actually you're incorrect. The smallpox infected blanket trick was most certainly understood and the use thereof against the plains tribes is recorded historical fact. Note this only occured 150 years ago, when people already had a basic understanding of infectious diseases (Didn't now how they

Re: PAW 2007 - 01 - GDG

2007-01-10 Thread Rick Womer
I'm ignoring the apparently endless "American Fence" thread, too. And, I really like the pic. The wide variety of colors of light are fascinating, and the composition and mood are great. Rick --- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am still behind getting the rest of the 2006 weeks

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Brendan MacRae
Like I said before, even if some anthropologist comes across evidence of the most brutal tribe in the history of man, I won't be swayed on my belief that Native Americans were a remarkable people. Besides, looking at such things now with modern eyes and societal mores does history an injustice. The

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread P. J. Alling
Actually Buffalo Bill at one point advocating protection for the Bison, (late in his life that is). Tom C wrote: > And here I thought Buffalo Bill was to blame. > > > > Tom C. > > > >> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail L

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread P. J. Alling
This is well, just wrong. The methods of how diseases were transmitted just wasn't well enough understood to run a campaign using such a weapon. You didn't need to do it on purpose, it seems that moderns have forgotten just virulent smallpox is and what it does to un-protected populations. N

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Christian
William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Christian" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > > >> David Savage wrote: >>> Which raises another question, how expensive is private health insurance? >> As far as I know, it doesn't exist in Canada. > > Sure it does. In my neck of the

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Brendan MacRae
Huh, interesting. I hadn't heard that before. But, as I said, it still doesn't color my overall view of Native American societies. -Brendan --- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's a theory that Mohawk is derived either from > the Narraganset word > for man-eater or the Unami ter

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
You can easily find reference in regard to the cannibalism and other atrocities. The NY Times printed an article in the science section a couple of weeks ago. It's probably still online. Archaeologists working in the southwest found human DNA in human feces. And it didn't match. They also f

Re: Finally got my K10D. but........(update)

2007-01-10 Thread Kenneth Waller
I'd say not only is the lens pretty good but your technique is great to get what you got in those situations. Well done! Kenneth Waller (owner of a 600mmFA who's aware of some of the issues of successfully using a big lens.) - Original Message - From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Finally got my K10D. but........(update)

2007-01-10 Thread P. J. Alling
They look high to me, unless Australian Dollerettes have lost lots of value lately. jim wrote: > I fired off an email to sigma with my special email gun and actually got a > response. > Discovered the lens I have is an older model and they don't have bits to > update it. > looks like a MZ7 with

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread P. J. Alling
Not really, since a drunk being arrested makes a lot of noise as well. But he still gets arrested, it's not usually worthwhile to have a gun battle to avoid a night in the drunk tank. The neighbors will look at it the same way. Blowing up the apartment next door is messy and bureaucrats hate

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread P. J. Alling
There's a theory that Mohawk is derived either from the Narraganset word for man-eater or the Unami term that translates as cannibal-monsters. Whether it was due to their warlike nature or actual eating of human flesh it could account for stories of cannibalism. There were also stories of rit

Re: Strange 360FGZ behaviour with K10D

2007-01-10 Thread Mark Cassino
I get some odd behavior also with the 360FGZ on the K10D. Sometimes it cycles between all 4 modes, sometimes only two. If the flash is set to A or M mode with the camera off, and then the camera is turned on, it seems to cycle through all 4 modes. But if the cmaera is turned on first, I get the

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Adam Maas
Here in Canada almost all shootings are drug/gang related or accidental. Deaths from suicides, armed robberies and domestic disputes are overwhelmingly via other means. -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: > Most shootings are suicides, followed in no particular order since I > don't know the breakdown,

Re: Finally got my K10D. but........(update)

2007-01-10 Thread David J Brooks
Quoting jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > My K10D like some others have discovered, has a very weird shutter release. > The first indent cannot be felt at all and have more then once > confused the 2nd indent with the first one and fired the shutter. > The finest touch turns the meter on. Will take

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Kenneth Waller
Go to the Custer State Park in S. Dakota & you'll see plenty. As for food, Buffalo meat is reported to be healthier for you than beef. I can get Buffalo meat in Michigan, there are several small herds here & the burgers & steaks I've had were great. Kenneth Waller - Original Message -

Re: PAW 2007 - 01 - GDG

2007-01-10 Thread Adam Maas
Scott Loveless wrote: > On 1/10/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I am still behind getting the rest of the 2006 weeks posted, but I'm >> almost recovered from my trip to Nashville TN and thought I should >> *start* 2007. >> >> Frankly, I was sick with a stomach flu most of the tim

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Kenneth Waller
>how expensive is private health insurance? >> As far as I know, it doesn't exist in Canada. > > Sure it does. In my neck of the woods we call it Montana. Now there's honesty for ya.! Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: PESO - Ameri

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread P. J. Alling
Most shootings are suicides, followed in no particular order since I don't know the breakdown, by domestic, armed robbery, drug related, or gang related and accidental discharge, (which covers a multiple of sins). I suppose any of them might involve fear, but I don't think it's a valid stateme

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Kenneth Waller
> Regina had 8 homicides last year, I think half a dozen were gunshots. Hell, New Orleans has had almost that many since the start of 07! Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > > - Original Message - >

Re: PESO - Circles of Man

2007-01-10 Thread Kenneth Waller
Idaho crop circles? ;-) Nice abstract. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 4:49 PM Subject: PESO - Circles of Man > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5435439 > > > Tom C. > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Adam Maas
Tom C wrote: >> Too many people look at the marginal production cost of the pills and >> say the drug companies are ripping us off, not remembering the billions >> the first production pill costs these companies, and the incredible mass >> of regulations that they work under (which protects us, but

Re: PESO - "January"

2007-01-10 Thread Kenneth Waller
Paul, thanks for looking & commenting. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: PESO - "January" > Hi Ken, > This one doesn't quite work for me. I immediately tried to scroll down to > see the rest of it. It feels incomplete. It also appears to be til

Re: PESO - "January"

2007-01-10 Thread Kenneth Waller
>it doesn't look particularly wintry. Actually the image was taken in late August. Its called January cause I made it the January image in my 07 calendar. Thanks for looking & commenting. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Rick Womer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: PESO

Re: PESO - "January"

2007-01-10 Thread Kenneth Waller
> Also, I know that those pine trees around Seney look like that all year ;) Actually the image was taken in late August. I named it "January" cause its the image for January on my latest calendar. Thanks for looking & commenting. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "cbwaters" <

Re: PAW 2007 - 01 - GDG

2007-01-10 Thread Scott Loveless
On 1/10/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am still behind getting the rest of the 2006 weeks posted, but I'm > almost recovered from my trip to Nashville TN and thought I should > *start* 2007. > > Frankly, I was sick with a stomach flu most of the time I was there > and took only

Re: Finally got my K10D. but........(update)

2007-01-10 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 09:38:08AM +1000, jim wrote: > > Have found a site that has for sale several new lens for sale such as > Pentax - SMC P-A 15mm F3.5 Lens for $3.146 aus > Pentax - SMC P-A 50mm F1.2 Lens for $1.582 aus > Pentax -

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Tom C
>Too many people look at the marginal production cost of the pills and >say the drug companies are ripping us off, not remembering the billions >the first production pill costs these companies, and the incredible mass >of regulations that they work under (which protects us, but >significantly raise

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Adam Maas
William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "frank theriault" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > > >> So much for reports that gun murders are out of control. The media >> was more than happy to scream to the world how violent Toronto and >> Canada are becoming; they seem oddl

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Adam Maas
Shel, That's true for the plains tribes. It's not for the north american native population of which they were a small fraction. The examples you site occured centuries after the original vigin field epidemics that I'm referring to. In fact those epidemics and that major die-off are how the Eur

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Adam Maas
DagT wrote: > Den 10. jan. 2007 kl. 15.54 skrev Adam Maas: > >> David Savage wrote: >>> On 1/10/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Interestingly, the Americans seem to be flocking to Canadian pharmacies to take advantage of our much lower drug costs. >>> Does the Canadian

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Adam Maas
Depends on who you're talking about. That was probably true for most of the east coast tribes, who were fairly civilised agrarian peoples on the cusp of bronze-age civilization and the West Coast tribes, who lived in a virtual paradise. It certainly wasn't for the plains tribes, who were barely

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > Rape, incest, torture, and cannibalism are nothing? Sorry, but the view of > the native American world as idyllic is the stuff of storybooks. Sounds like last week in Arkansas. Or Prince Albert. Sorry,

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "frank theriault" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > > I recall way back in grade 7 or 8, my teacher Mr. Wagner (wherever he > is now) telling us that America is a melting pot, and we're a salad > bowl. Immigrants come to your country to become part of Amer

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Tom C
>While this is wildly OT (usually, title and the contents part each other in >a matter of hours in this list :-), this is interesting history, but sorry, >I got lost somewhere. >Are bison now extinct (or near extinct) or just endangered specie? >I thought I saw a lot of them in western movies in th

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Tom C
And here I thought Buffalo Bill was to blame. Tom C. >From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence >Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:56:36 -0600 > > >- Original Message - >From: <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Christian" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > David Savage wrote: >> Which raises another question, how expensive is private health insurance? > > As far as I know, it doesn't exist in Canada. Sure it does. In my neck of the woods we call it Montana. Will

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "frank theriault" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > > So much for reports that gun murders are out of control. The media > was more than happy to scream to the world how violent Toronto and > Canada are becoming; they seem oddly silent WRT 2006 stats. >

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > > frank theriault wrote: >> In addition, the slaughter, almost to extinction, of the American >> Bison was a conscientious attempt to eliminate something that, both >> physically and spiritually, was ne

RE: OT - Hot Chocolate Recipe

2007-01-10 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Agreed - wherever possible I use organic and fair trade products _after_ investigating the company to see how good a job they're doing. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Markus Maurer > Use organic grown and/or produced ingredients from a fair trade company. > And sadly the best chocolate doe

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread K.Takeshita
On 1/10/07 6:48 PM, "Shel Belinkoff", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's only partially correct, but it's also a load bullshit, literally. > Bison were killed for sport and for their skins. There were bounties put > on bison and hunters were encouraged to massacre them. The extermination > of t

PAW 2007 - 01 - GDG

2007-01-10 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I am still behind getting the rest of the 2006 weeks posted, but I'm almost recovered from my trip to Nashville TN and thought I should *start* 2007. Frankly, I was sick with a stomach flu most of the time I was there and took only a few photos. I like this street scene but didn't have the

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Shel Belinkoff
That's only partially correct, but it's also a load bullshit, literally. Bison were killed for sport and for their skins. There were bounties put on bison and hunters were encouraged to massacre them. The extermination of the bison was instigated in large part by the British who wanted to starve

Re: PESO: Show Pony

2007-01-10 Thread ann sanfedele
I guess it is because it was lit for a show, but it looks totally unreal to me. LIke it had been photoshopped - almost a cartoon. I realize you know it isn't that interesting as photography, Paul - just a fix for the car afficianados and a "look what the camera can do" kinda shot. It's just

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Not true ... they were purposely infected with smallpox and possibly other diseases, and the plains Indians had there main food source, the buffalo, almost completed wiped out. It was genocide, pure and simple. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Adam Maas > The primary reason for the massiv

Re: Finally got my K10D. but........(update)

2007-01-10 Thread jim
I fired off an email to sigma with my special email gun and actually got a response. Discovered the lens I have is an older model and they don't have bits to update it. looks like a MZ7 with a sigma zoom will be up for sale soon. My K10D like some others have discovered, has a very weird shutter

Re: PESO - what bird is this?

2007-01-10 Thread ann sanfedele
I was gonna ask where you lived as I've never seen this critter before... then I went and read Christian's mis-step: I would have thought some sort of warbler, though, too. Nicely done, but I think you are gilding the lily a bit with the elaborate framing. Also, hmmm, I think I'd like birdie a

Re: PESO - "January"

2007-01-10 Thread ann sanfedele
Rick Womer wrote: >Sorry, Ken, it doesn't do anything for me. Apart from >there not being leaves on the trees, it doesn't look >particularly wintry. > >Rick > I think that is why Ken put "January" in quotes... Maybe I'm wrong about that part - but I like this one, myself - has a nice mood.

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Brendan MacRae
Not sure about incest and cannibalism. I've never heard of these things being prevalent. In any event, my point is that, in this sense, idyllic is relative. I never said that the New World was a peaceful paradise prior to the arrival of whites. My view is that they were better off no matter what w

Re: PESO - Circles of Man

2007-01-10 Thread Jack Davis
An ice rink location where something went terribly wrong? Jack --- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5435439 > > > Tom C. > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > ___

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread DagT
Then it would have been enough to make some noise to avoid the arrest, wouldn´t it? Anyway, gas is silent and the Russians used it recently in the theater hostage affair. Remember? DagT Den 10. jan. 2007 kl. 23.25 skrev P. J. Alling: > Nothing really, no I take that back. The secret polic

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Bob Sullivan
DagT, I don't know. Maybe it's a fictional comment attributed to a prize winning author who was dragged off to the gulags. Or maybe it's his personal supposition after having been there and had it done to him. Regards, Bob S. On 1/10/07, DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Great idea! What would

Re: B&W Printing (on a budget)

2007-01-10 Thread Steve Jolly
Mark Erickson wrote: > If you really want to go cheap (and by all accounts really good), take a > look at Paul Roark's solution for a truly low-cost A4 solution: The Epson > C88 and MIS EZ inkset. I use a C82 with those inks, and I have to say, the results are nice. S -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Ma

Re: OT: Has anyone photographed, or at least seen, this UFO?

2007-01-10 Thread Bob Shell
On Jan 10, 2007, at 4:56 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > Of course I know that, Bob. I just used that term to get > everyone's attention. Just living up to my reputation as a PITA. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT - Hot Chocolate Recipe

2007-01-10 Thread mike wilson
Mark Roberts wrote: > Norm Baugher wrote: > > >>Here's what I suggest you try: >> >>Start with at least 80% dark chocolate >>1 cup of creamed milk >>2 drops of vanilla extract >>large mixing bowl >>2 eggs (whites only) >>1 lb of sugar >>2 tablespoons of Tabasco >>black & decker 3 hp mixer >>1 ca

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread P. J. Alling
Nothing really, no I take that back. The secret police prefer to work in silence, grenades are so publicly noisy, and hard to ignore. DagT wrote: > Great idea! What would stop them from throwing in a hand grenade > instead, or some gas? Sure, the camps would have been emptier. > > DagT > > D

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-10 Thread Cotty
On 10/1/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: >This looks set fair to be another lot of nonsense about definitions. Define 'definitions' ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread DagT
Den 10. jan. 2007 kl. 15.54 skrev Adam Maas: > David Savage wrote: >> On 1/10/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Interestingly, the Americans seem to be flocking to Canadian >>> pharmacies to >>> take advantage of our much lower drug costs. >> >> Does the Canadian government subsidi

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread DagT
We have more guns per 1000 persons than you but you have more people killed by guns per 1000 persons. OK, I assumed that people use their guns against people because of fear. If that is not correct, then why do they kill? DagT Den 10. jan. 2007 kl. 22.26 skrev P. J. Alling: > HUH? > > DagT

Re: PESO - Circles of Man

2007-01-10 Thread P. J. Alling
Wow, crop... no mud circles. Nicely seen and captured. Tom C wrote: > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5435439 > > > Tom C. > > > > -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

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