From: mike wilson
On 20 May 2010 14:48, Christian Skofteland wrote:
> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 08:13:43PM +0200, eckinator wrote:
>> 2010/5/19 Christian Skofteland :
>> >
>> > I bought my G11 a few weeks ago at BestBuy in Virginia. ?While in New York
on business I accidentally spilled a colle
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 01:14:11PM -0600, Tom C wrote:
> Does Home Depot have a "customer is always right" policy?
No. Theirs is more like "the customer is always wrong".
When one of their staff wrote up the wrong product code for one
of my windows a few years ago I ended up with a $150 window t
Let's take this thread off into an entirely different digression
On 5/20/2010 12:44 PM, Keith Whaley wrote:
Tom C wrote:
I have to differ a bit with you on this Bill. Mostly agree. There are
customers who set out to rip off retailers. Those who purchase an item
for the time they need to use
I'll say it again just to be pedantic... it.
Spilling a drink on a modern camera should not wreck it. 99.99% of the
liquid ran of the camera in the 1st split second unless the camera was
sitting in a soup bowl and or the body itself was open. You know how
your other cameras hold up in wet weather
Totally agree.
Society today, in the U.S. does not take responsibility for its actions.
Witness the plethora of law suits.
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From: "Keith Whaley"
Subject: Re: Leica M9
Tom C wrote:
On 5/21/2010 12:32 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
Not at Best Buy...
That's kind of a horror story to me. To buy something in order to return
it and get some money in the process out of thin air, effectively...
OMG... *sigH*
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Having followed this thread, and being a father of 4, I have to say
this would be a poor way to teach my children to behave. What goes
around comes around - teach them to abuse the system and where will
they be in the future. Seems to smack of the entitlement attitude so
prevalent in our society.
- Original Message -
From: "eckinator"
Subject: Re: Leica M9
Personally, I pay 2.5% p.a. on the amount I want to receive for any
insured item in the event that it becomes unusable for any reason
whatsoever, theft, loss, damage, failure, coffee spill etc. no
questions
- Original Message -
From: "Tom C"
Subject: Re: Leica M9
Not trying to be argumentative.
I just think the condemnation I'm hearing regarding the G11 return is
rather unwarranted. He just as easily could have gotten a defective
one from the store and would have h
- Original Message -
From: "Boris Liberman"
Subject: Re: Leica M9
On 5/21/2010 12:32 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
Not at Best Buy...
That's kind of a horror story to me. To buy something in order to return
it and get some money in the process out of thin air, effe
> To bring this back somewhat to on topic (relevent to
> photography, if not
> Pentax), many years ago I was told of a local photographer
> who specialized
> on food and lifestyle photography.
> She shopped at the local higher end stores, buying place
> settings, cutlery,
> glasswear, linens
-
From: "William Robb"
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Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: Leica M9
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From: "Boris Liberman"
Subject: Re: Leica M9
On 5/21/2010 12:32 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
Not at Best Buy...
That&
From: Bruce Dayton
Having followed this thread, and being a father of 4, I have to say
this would be a poor way to teach my children to behave. What goes
around comes around - teach them to abuse the system and where will
they be in the future. Seems to smack of the entitlement attitude so
prev
On May 21, 2010, at 1:57 AM, William Robb wrote:
>
> - Original Message - From: "Boris Liberman"
> Subject: Re: Leica M9
>
>
>> On 5/21/2010 12:32 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
>>> Not at Best Buy...
>>
>> That's kind of a horror st
- Original Message -
From: "John Sessoms"
Subject: Re: Leica M9
And compared to the blatant dishonesty I witnessed, returning a camera
that stopped working and not volunteering that it stopped working after
getting splashed doesn't really rate.
So it's OK
- Original Message -
From: "paul stenquist"
Subject: Re: Leica M9
For example, to dress several people for a television commercial, the
wardrobe consultant might bring thirty different outfits to a review
session -- all with pricetags hanging. Three will be chosen
From: "William Robb"
From: "Boris Liberman"
> On 5/21/2010 12:32 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
>> Not at Best Buy...
>
> That's kind of a horror story to me. To buy something in order to return
> it and get some money in the process out of thin air, effectively...
> OMG... *sigH*
To bring this b
Bruce,
The question in my mind became in this instance:
Did spilling a single drink on the camera make the owner at fault for
the subsequent failure of the object? My wife has a G9 and I have a
G10, the predecessors to the G11. Knowing their build quality and
that I use the G10 in wet and windy
> > And compared to the blatant dishonesty I witnessed,
> returning a camera
> > that stopped working and not volunteering that it stopped
> working after
> > getting splashed doesn't really rate.
> >
>
> So it's OK to beat your wife as long as the bruises aren't visible?
>
Burqa and sungla
On May 21, 2010, at 12:34 PM, William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: "paul stenquist"
Subject: Re: Leica M9
For example, to dress several people for a television commercial,
the wardrobe consultant might bring thirty different outfits to a
review session -
- Original Message -
From: "P N Stenquist"
Subject: Re: Leica M9
For example, to dress several people for a television commercial, the
wardrobe consultant might bring thirty different outfits to a review
session -- all with pricetags hanging. Three will be chosen,
On 5/21/2010 12:33 PM, William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: "John Sessoms" Subject: Re: Leica M9
And compared to the blatant dishonesty I witnessed, returning a
camera that stopped working and not volunteering that it stopped
working after getting splashed does
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 2:02 AM, William Robb wrote:
> What I'm reading from what you are saying, in general terms, is that it is
> OK to try to decieve to one's advantage in business; and that it is wrong to
> get caught, since it is possible that at some point one might actually be in
> the sit
Everything I read indicates justification for that which you
inherently know is wrong - doesn't make it right, just allows you to
go with the flow so you can take advantage as the next guy.
I'm saying this is part of what is wrong with our society - instead
of teaching morals and values we end up
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 02:13:15PM -0400, Tom C wrote:
>
> He said he would have told what happened, if he was asked. The
> statement he made was honest . . .
I disagree.
The statement was technically truthful, but the intent was to deceive.
That's not honest (or honourable) in my book.
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Fine Bruce... don't start out though believing the system itself is noble.
You can read it as justification if you want to. I read it as an
accident occurred and the camera should not have stopped working.
Tom C.
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:
> Everything I read indicate
I don't believe the system is noble - it is just responding to the
human element. If we don't teach and strive for nobility, what do we
become?
I would have a real hard time taking my 13 year old son with me to
return something in those circumstances because I know darn well what
I would be teach
I'm with you on this.
The difference I have would be mainly this.
If the product was defective and should have held up under said
conditions, then I believe as a consumer it's fair to receive a brand
new replacement camera immediately as opposed to sending it in
for a warranty repair (the result
On 2010-05-21 12:33 , Tom C wrote:
I read it as an
accident occurred and the camera should not have stopped working.
sure, if you really think the camera was faulty for not withstanding the
spill, but frankly, that's unreasonable and sounds like an excuse to
make the return seem okay
i som
Well I do think that actually. :-)
I suspect I could take any one of my Pentax DSLR bodies and dump a
16oz or 24oz glass of water on it, and not see any ill effects except
for it being cleaner.
I've used my non-weather-sealed *istD in the rain numerous times with
water all beaded up on the top pa
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From: "Tom C"
Subject: Re: Leica M9
Fine Bruce... don't start out though believing the system itself is noble.
You can read it as justification if you want to. I read it as an
accident occurred and the camera should not have stopped working
cture, but since
you escaped notice now there is not as much money in the till.
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 12:14 PM, William Robb wrote:
>
> - Original Message - From: "Tom C"
> Subject: Re: Leica M9
>
>
> Fine Bruce... don't start out though believing the
On 23/05/2010, Tom C wrote:
> I don't see how this is very different from a situation where I buy a
> camera, use it for two weeks and then decide I don't like it, or
> discover a model I like better. If that happened I would bring the
> camera back to the store, tell them I didn't like it and g
The store would be left holding a camera that they can no
longer sell as new...
I've worked in retail, sellling at different times, audio equipment and
cameras, if we couldn't sell again as new, (i.e. the camera, or other
gear, looked pristine and the all of the packaging was as new), we
wou
On 23/05/2010, P. J. Alling wrote:
> I've worked in retail, sellling at different times, audio equipment and
> cameras, if we couldn't sell again as new, (i.e. the camera, or other gear,
> looked pristine and the all of the packaging was as new), we wouldn't give
> you all of your money back, and
On May 22, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:
> On 23/05/2010, P. J. Alling wrote:
>
>> I've worked in retail, sellling at different times, audio equipment and
>> cameras, if we couldn't sell again as new, (i.e. the camera, or other gear,
>> looked pristine and the all of the packaging was a
From: Rob Studdert
On 23/05/2010, Tom C wrote:
> I don't see how this is very different from a situation where I buy a
> camera, use it for two weeks and then decide I don't like it, or
> discover a model I like better. If that happened I would bring the
> camera back to the store, tell them
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 12:44:07PM -0600, Tom C wrote:
> As Christian pointed out some companies do have a very lenient return
> policy. Does the fact that the owner didn't say it was spilled upon
> make him dishonest? I don't think so. Was the customer service clerk
> happy to give him a new came
Do they have the right to know the full story?
If a mfr. were to make, and a retailer to sell, a shoddy product, do
they let me in on it? Or do they hope people buy it and are then
stuck with it, and too busy or too chicken shit to raise a stink? And
even then they'll hide behind all the legalese
On 5/23/2010 1:01 AM, Rob Studdert wrote:
I've never understood that type of policy, generally here it's your
responsibility to decide before purchase if the item will suite your
needs, it can only be returned if faulty after purchase, never just
because you don't like it. You just couldn't run a
On 23/05/2010, Boris Liberman wrote:
> Rob, just a small point here. You actually assume that when entering a shop,
> customer would have a fair chance to preview the product before they buy it.
> In quite many cases (at least here) you don't have such a luxury as a buyer.
> Add to the mix the ra
On 5/23/2010 10:48 AM, Rob Studdert wrote:
The retailers obligations are set by law and effectively the onus of
suitability lies with the purchaser, only if the product does not
provide the functions advertised or if it fails or is DOA/broken could
the reseller be forced to accept a return. If yo
On 23/05/2010, Boris Liberman wrote:
> When faced with request from a buyer to return the mis-sold item, the buyer
> would parry with "you're a grown up person, you should have listened better;
> it is too late now".
Here some types of contracts have an integrated cooling off period but
generall
On 5/23/2010 11:10 AM, Rob Studdert wrote:
Here some types of contracts have an integrated cooling off period but
generally in retail shops the buyer makes the final decision to part
with their cash or not. Can't get more basic really, if I stuff up
it's off to eBay the bad purchase goes.
Evide
2010/5/23 Tom C :
>
> Do they have the right to know the full story?
>
> If a mfr. were to make, and a retailer to sell, a shoddy product, do
> they let me in on it? Or do they hope people buy it and are then
> stuck with it, and too busy or too chicken shit to raise a stink? And
> even then they'
On 22/5/10, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed:
>I can guarantee you that there's plenty of people on this list who
>would willing partake in actions on a regular basis, that my
>conscience would prohibit me from doing.
Shit - I'm on Youtube?
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From: Tom C
Do they have the right to know the full story?
If a mfr. were to make, and a retailer to sell, a shoddy product, do
they let me in on it? Or do they hope people buy it and are then
stuck with it, and too busy or too chicken shit to raise a stink? And
even then they'll hide behind al
- Original Message -
From: "eckinator"
Subject: Re: Leica M9
I for one am not on one, I just happen to think two wrongs don't make
a right.
But two Wrights can make an airplane.
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From: Rob Studdert
On 23/05/2010, Boris Liberman wrote:
> When faced with request from a buyer to return the mis-sold item, the buyer
> would parry with "you're a grown up person, you should have listened better;
> it is too late now".
Here some types of contracts have an integrated cooling
- Original Message -
From: "John Sessoms"
Subject: Re: Leica M9
In the case that started this discussion, the return was made in
accordance with the retailer's published return policy.
Not quite.
Their return policy definitely states that items that have been d
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: "John Sessoms"
Subject: Re: Leica M9
In the case that started this discussion, the return was made in
accordance with the retailer's published return policy.
Not quite.
Their return policy definitely states that items
>
> I'd say yes it did. Abnormal use = abuse. I seriously doubt
> that camera designers factor in an alcoholic drink being
> spilled onto their non-waterproof body, and would certify
> normal performance thereafter.
>
I disagree. Abnormal use does not equal - indeed, does not even imply -
abu
2010/5/23 William Robb :
>
>> I for one am not on one, I just happen to think two wrongs don't make
>> a right.
>
> But two Wrights can make an airplane.
And an airplane can make three lefts, some even four. Things
inevitably come full circle.
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William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: "eckinator" Subject: Re: Leica M9
I for one am not on one, I just happen to think two wrongs don't make
a right.
But two Wrights can make an airplane.
Can two rites make a ceremony?
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2010/5/23 mike wilson :
>>
>>> I for one am not on one, I just happen to think two wrongs don't make
>>> a right.
>>
>> But two Wrights can make an airplane.
>
> Can two rites make a ceremony?
Dunno. Can two wrights make a play?
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2010/5/23 Cotty :
> Two Wongs can make a chop suey.
And two fangs can take a bite.
In Denmark they can buy Dong Energy.
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On 5/22/2010 8:33 PM, paul stenquist wrote:
On May 22, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:
On 23/05/2010, P. J. Alling wrote:
I've worked in retail, sellling at different times, audio equipment and
cameras, if we couldn't sell again as new, (i.e. the camera, or other gear,
looked
On 5/23/2010 4:32 AM, eckinator wrote:
2010/5/23 Tom C:
Do they have the right to know the full story?
If a mfr. were to make, and a retailer to sell, a shoddy product, do
they let me in on it? Or do they hope people buy it and are then
stuck with it, and too busy or too chicken shit to ra
2010/5/23 eckinator :
> 2010/5/23 Cotty :
>> Two Wongs can make a chop suey.
>
> And two fangs can take a bite.
> In Denmark they can buy Dong Energy.
I've been thinking... two bongs could fly my kite but it only takes
two puns to make me write but the real question is:
Does Gary Fong go to Denma
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Subject: Re: Leica M9
But two Wrights can make an airplane.
Can two rites make a ceremony?
Any more than that would be a ceremany
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This list has too many/much pun_dits...
Boris
On 5/24/2010 2:08 AM, eckinator wrote:
2010/5/23 eckinator:
2010/5/23 Cotty:
Two Wongs can make a chop suey.
And two fangs can take a bite.
In Denmark they can buy Dong Energy.
I've been thinking... two bongs could fly my kite but it only take
On 24 May 2010 05:17, Boris Liberman wrote:
> This list has too many/much pun_dits...
There must be something about "two puns" and a "write" but I'm damned
if I can think of it.
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> This list has too many/much pun_dits...
Well, two punishments can fit one crime...
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Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: Leica M9
2010/5/23 mike wilson :
I for one am not on one, I just happen
2010/5/25 Ken Waller :
> I for one am not on one, I just happen to think two wrongs don't make
> a right.
But two Wrights can make an airplane.
>>>
>>> Can two rites make a ceremony?
>>
>> Dunno. Can two wrights make a play?
>
> Can three wrights make a left?
If two lights m
From: "Ken Waller"
Totally agree.
Society today, in the U.S. does not take responsibility for its actions.
Witness the plethora of law suits.
I blame it all on the rise of the idea that a corporation is a person.
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Full-frame sensor
16-bit Raw files (DNG format!)
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On 5/23/10, Tom C wrote:
> As Christian pointed out some companies do have a very lenient return
> policy.
I once talked to someone who had been a technician at Acoustic Research,
back when AR speakers carried a lifetime warranty. He said they got one
or two a year that were burned out in a rec
There aren't enough pennies in all of Christendom that I'll ever be able
to afford an M9...
Mark Roberts wrote:
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On 9/5/09, P. J. Alling wrote:
> There aren't enough pennies in all of Christendom that I'll ever be able to
> afford an M9...
I'm still saving for an M3.
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Peter, there're other dom's beside Christen. Together, it just might
be, that we would be able to pull this one off ;-).
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 6:37 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> There aren't enough pennies in all of Christendom that I'll ever be able to
> afford an M9...
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On Sep 5, 2009, at 21:32 , Boris Liberman wrote:
Peter, there're other dom's beside Christen. Together, it just might
be, that we would be able to pull this one off ;-).
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 6:37 AM, P. J. Alling> wrote:
There aren't enough pennies in all of Christendom that I'll ever be
ab
>
> 18 megapixels
> Full-frame sensor
> 16-bit Raw files (DNG format!)
> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photograph
> er/2009/09/leaked-leica-m9.html
>
Bastards
The E-P2 sounds interesting though, for lesser mortals.
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2009/9/6 Mark Roberts :
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> Full-frame sensor
> 16-bit Raw files (DNG format!)
> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2009/09/leaked-leica-m9.html
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2009/9/6 P. J. Alling :
> There aren't enough pennies in all of Christendom that I'll ever be able to
> afford an M9...
1. Don't limit yourself to one religion.
2. Ask the fractions in all of them that regularly produce shrapnel.
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On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote:
> On Sep 5, 2009, at 21:32 , Boris Liberman wrote:
>
>> Peter, there're other dom's beside Christen. Together, it just might
>> be, that we would be able to pull this one off ;-).
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at
- Original Message -
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Subject: Re: Save your pennies: Leica M9
Peter, there're other dom's beside Christen.
And all of them are more fun.
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Subject: Re: Save your pennies: Leica M9
Dom in Russian means "House"...
In English it means fun, in an off colour sort of way.
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On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 11:12 AM, AlunFoto wrote:
> Makes me wonder what kind of market the D645 will launch into next spring.
As a programmer I often deal with "void"...
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g you will need
720 gallons of petrol, which is going to cost you about £3,500. That's
without taking into account depreciation vs appreciation, additional running
costs, tax, insurance and the price of bumber stickers.
So buying a Leica M9 will save you at least £3,500 over 3 years. That's
In German it means 'cathedral'. So Christendom is the cathedral of
Christine, before whose altar we all kneel...
>
> Dom in Russian means "House"...
>
> On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Joseph
> McAllister wrote:
> > On Sep 5, 2009, at 21:32 , Boris Liberman wrote:
> >
> >> Peter, there're othe
2009/9/6 Boris Liberman :
> On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 11:12 AM, AlunFoto wrote:
>> Makes me wonder what kind of market the D645 will launch into next spring.
>
> As a programmer I often deal with "void"...
:-)
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Well, here in Stevedom there ain't gonna be a Leica M9 anytime soon. An E-p2,
however. . .
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Dom in Russian means &
Looks lovely, I'd love one.
But I'd rather have the Panasonic GF1, to be perfectly honest. I like
its size, shape and features more.
Without even thinking of the money... :-)
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On Sep 6, 2009, at 9:51 PM, Bob W wrote:
So buying a Leica M9 will save you at least £3,500 over 3 years.
That's
enough to have Chas Roberts build you a custom, made-to-measure,
handbuilt
Audax bicycle and still have some money left to buy Rapha cycle
clothing.
ar,
> that's 36,000 miles over the lifetime of the loan. At 50mpg you will need
> 720 gallons of petrol, which is going to cost you about £3,500. That's
> without taking into account depreciation vs appreciation, additional running
> costs, tax, insurance and the price of bu
taking into account depreciation vs
> > appreciation, additional running costs, tax, insurance and
> the price of bumber stickers.
> >
> > So buying a Leica M9 will save you at least £3,500 over 3 years.
> > That's enough to have Chas Roberts build you a custom,
> >
>
> > So buying a Leica M9 will save you at least £3,500 over 3 years.
> > That's
> > enough to have Chas Roberts build you a custom, made-to-measure,
> > handbuilt Audax bicycle and still have some money left to buy Rapha
> > cycle clothing.
> >
2009/9/5 Mark Roberts :
> 18 megapixels
> Full-frame sensor
> 16-bit Raw files (DNG format!)
> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2009/09/leaked-leica-m9.html
Does it have a pop-up flash? That's a dealbreak
>
> 2009/9/5 Mark Roberts :
> > 18 megapixels
> > Full-frame sensor
> > 16-bit Raw files (DNG format!)
> >
> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2009/
> > 09/leaked-leica-m9.html
>
> Does it have a pop-up flash? That
36,000 miles over the lifetime of the loan. At
50mpg you
will need 720 gallons of petrol, which is going to cost you about
£3,500. That's without taking into account depreciation vs
appreciation, additional running costs, tax, insurance and
the price of bumber stickers.
So buyin
ying the car,
>>>> which you can afford but don't want anyway - buy the camera!
>>>>
>>>> Now think of the savings. If you drive on average 12,000 miles per year,
>>>> that's 36,000 miles over the lifetime of the loan. At
>>>
>>>
I don't know. As usual Leica have completely failed to keep me in the loop
about that sort of thing.
>
> Has anyone preordered it?
>
>
> --M.
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Interesting.
I'm here sticking up for Christian, and I wasn't the guy that returned
the camera. :-)
But I understand the mindset. It's not about ripping someone off. If
any one is doing that it's the mfrs., the vendors, and the retailers
that have their hoards of i-dotting and t-crossing attorn
On 5/23/2010 6:22 AM, Sandy Harris wrote:
I once talked to someone who had been a technician at Acoustic Research,
back when AR speakers carried a lifetime warranty. He said they got one
or two a year that were burned out in a recognisable way, what you get if
you run 110 volt AC into the speaker
From: Tom C
Interesting.
I'm here sticking up for Christian, and I wasn't the guy that returned
the camera. :-)
But I understand the mindset. It's not about ripping someone off. If
any one is doing that it's the mfrs., the vendors, and the retailers
that have their hoards of i-dotting and
- Original Message -
From: "John Sessoms"
Subject: Re: Returns (was Re: Leica M9)
The only thing that bothered me about it was knowing XX management
would blame me for giving bad customer service if the customer complained
to management. Didn't matter if you
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- Original Message -
From: "Tom C"
Subject: Re: Leica M9
I have to differ a bit with you on this Bill. Mostly agree. There are
customers who set out to rip off retailers. Those who purchase an item
for the time they need to use it and th
On May 20, 2010, at 14:44, Keith Whaley wrote:
> Tom C wrote:
>> I have to differ a bit with you on this Bill. Mostly agree. There are
>> customers who set out to rip off retailers. Those who purchase an item
>> for the time they need to use it and then return it, for example.
>> It was not Steve
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