's not how
auctions work, and people understand that around here.
---Original Message-------
From: "Joaquim Carvalho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted, ebay item condition
Sent: 15 Jun 2005 14:11:09
On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 18:14, Mark Roberts wrote:
>
In a message dated 6/16/2005 12:49:57 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You can call me "dishonest" for demanding things like that, I think I
was VERY reasonable.
I always try to be reasonable and understand the other person's point of
view. I only gave bad feedback once; I never
On Thu, 2005-06-16 at 18:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Honest description:
I think the seller was unintentionally misleading, not dishonest.
> Polaroid 545 film holder. Shows normal wear from moderate use. Finish worn to
> bare metal when it slides under camera ground glass. Scratches on plas
In a message dated 6/16/2005 11:49:03 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well I just sent the following e-mail to the guy. We will have to wait and
see what he says.
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I have a bit of a problem with this item.
Your description:
This auction is for a perfect polaroid 545 lan
Well I just sent the following e-mail to the guy. We will have to wait and see
what he says.
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I have a bit of a problem with this item.
Your description:
This auction is for a perfect polaroid 545 land film holder. I used it for
polaroid 4x5 shots, quickload and readyload packets and it w
In a message dated 6/16/2005 7:24:28 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
He still stands on the position that if the seller
was ignorant ( not lying, just dumb ) on factual
matters, that's O.K. Too and the buyer should be
screwed because it was an "auction" sale and this is
what I
buyer should be
screwed because it was an "auction" sale and this is
what I was posting about in my recent posts...
Because I STRONGLY disagree...
jco
-Original Message-
From: Frantisek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 5:39 AM
To: J. C. O'Connell
Subj
> -Original Message-
> From: Joaquim Carvalho [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
(snip)
>
> "perfect condition" is subjective:
>
Some people might think so, but perfection is an absolute state and there
should not be any degrees of perfection.
>
> I would describe my MX camera to be
> in perfe
Thursday, June 16, 2005, 1:00:07 AM, J. wrote:
JCOC> I am tired of arguing with you. You must be
JCOC> from another planet or something if you think
It seems it's you from another planet... Always arguing, always ad
hominem, always missing the point of discussion (do you understand
that it was a
On 6/15/05, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> BTW, how much is film for that puppy. Maybe ask
> for a few $$ more if the film's cheap - enough for two or three packs.
HAR! Most of the large format crowd I know uses type 55. Linky:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=sea
Hey, Wolfy. Did you check the rollers? Are they smooth and clean?
Does it appear to operate properly? There's not just a whole lot that
can go wrong with one of these, and when they do wear out, it's pretty
obvious. I have an original 4x5 Polaroid back (quite a bit older than
yours) that still
Wiggers,
I do agree that when it comes to matters of opinion, the situation is far
less clear-cut. If a case like this went to court, the test would be what
a "reasonable man" would think.
On Ebay you do have to accept that opinions differ, but people still
shouldn't expect to get away w
9 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted, ebay item condition
Wigwam Jones wrote:
> Tell me this - if I sell a camera as 'junk' and you buy it and find
> out
> it is 'mint', do you owe ME money? Can I come back to you after the
> sale and
Wigwam Jones wrote:
Tell me this - if I sell a camera as 'junk' and you buy it and find out
it is 'mint', do you owe ME money? Can I come back to you after the
sale and say "Hey, wait a minute - you got a better deal than I
intended, because the description was not correct. Give me more
mon
John Forbes wrote:
Do read what I said. I said that in a livestock auction you
generally look at the animal and bid. The sellers seldom make claims
about the animal's capabilities. In an Ebay auction, they do, and
nothing exempts auctions of any sort from the laws of contract. If
one p
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 6:42 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted, ebay item condition
J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>There is only one meaning of the word "FALSE"
>as far as I know. NOT TRUE.
>
>
Your logic is flawed.
J. C. O'Connell wrote:
There is only one meaning of the word "FALSE"
as far as I know. NOT TRUE.
Your logic is flawed. There are many more states than just TRUE or FALSE.
Condition One:
I say a camera is a Pentax. It either IS or it IS NOT. So you can say
my statement is TRUE or FALSE.
I
On 15/6/05, John Forbes, discombobulated, unleashed:
>Do read what I said.
Mark!
Cheers,
Cotty
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IN/Auction listings. No difference
it what obligations the seller has to meet.
JCO
-Original Message-
From: Wigwam Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 4:53 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: RE: Opinions wanted, ebay item condition
> In the case of
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:37:33 +0100, Wigwam Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted, ebay item condition
Sent: 15 Jun 2005 14:57:56
Wiggers, Ebay is not equivalent to a livestock auction.
Yes, it is. Cam
ake responsibility for truth in their listings.
If they were mistaken then they have to refund/renoegoiate
with the seller. The seller made the mistake in that
case, not the buyer...
JCO
-Original Message-
From: Wigwam Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 5:02 PM
To: pen
> Yes, there are people who use the fear of negative feedback to try to
> get a post-purchase discount this way. My policy is to offer full refund
> (less shipping) or nothing. It's sad that it's come to this but there's
> not much else you can do.
Precisely.
> Damn you are so wrong on this its too much to list but
> the key is FALSE ADVERTISING/LISTINGS on ebay are just
> that FALSE.
Yes. We only disagree on what 'FALSE' means. You seem to think it is anything
you don't like.
> It does not matter one bit whether the
> seller lied or just didn'
> In the case of 1 thru 7 you listed below, its not
> like that really. satisfaction has nothing to do
> with it. Its all about meeting description. If a
> seller says excellent and its actually missing a part or
> has a functional defect than its not excellent.
> IT DOESN'T MATTER that if se
d then
ship a 12LB one. Get it? This is mail order.
The seller always has to meet all claims
in his adsEVEN AS-IS ADS.
JCO
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From: Wigwam Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 4:13 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: RE: Opinions w
> From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Opinions wanted, ebay item condition
> Sent: 15 Jun 2005 14:57:56
>
> Wiggers, Ebay is not equivalent to a livestock auction.
Yes, it is. Cameras don't go moo, but otherwise, the same. What does
In a message dated 6/15/2005 10:57:55 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes, there are people who use the fear of negative feedback to try to
get a post-purchase discount this way. My policy is to offer full refund
(less shipping) or nothing. It's sad that it's come to this but
age-
From: Wigwam Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 3:06 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: RE: Opinions wanted, ebay item condition
> Sorry Wigwam but you have got it all WRONG. Ebay is like
> any other mail order purchase.
No, it is not. You are in
> Wrong dude, I have done THOUSANDS
> of ebay auctions as a buyer and seller
> and the auction format is nothing more
> than a different way to price/sell
> the item mail order compared to "fixed pricing -
> first come first served".
I'm sorry, what was that word you just used? "Auction?"
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From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 2:44 PM
Subject: Ebay Scam (was Re: Opinions wanted, ebay item condition)
I sold an old ME with lens for a mere $35.
Stated as being in
Wiggers, Ebay is not equivalent to a livestock auction. In the latter,
you bid solely on the appearance of the animal. The seller does not say:
"This heifer will deliver 50 gallons of milk a day, guaranteed". If he
did, and it didn't, you would certainly have a legal basis for a refund.
cuss@pdml.net
Subject: RE: Opinions wanted, ebay item condition
> Sorry Wigwam but you have got it all WRONG. Ebay is like
> any other mail order purchase.
No, it is not. You are in error.
eBay is an online auction. Auction sellers can give a warrantee if they
like - that an item will m
> Sorry Wigwam but you have got it all WRONG. Ebay is like
> any other mail order purchase.
No, it is not. You are in error.
eBay is an online auction. Auction sellers can give a warrantee if they like -
that an item will meet the buyers specifications or a refund will be offered.
Most auc
I've bought over a hundred items on Ebay, and had problems with about
five. In every case, a polite email pointing out the problem resulted in
a satisfactory outcome - a replacement, a discount, or in one case the
item returned with a refund of all costs plus shipping both ways (that
optim
> I sold an old ME with lens for a mere $35.
> Stated as being in "user" condition.
> The guy got it and had the nerve to request a partial refund because
> it needed refoamed. So I emailed him back a polite letter stating
> that it was as the ad stated. He accepted that. Fortunately.
>
> This
I sold an old ME with lens for a mere $35.
Stated as being in "user" condition.
The guy got it and had the nerve to request a partial refund because it needed
refoamed.
So I emailed him back a polite letter stating that it was as the ad stated. He
accepted that. Fortunately.
This is a current
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 2:20 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted, ebay item condition
What you are describing is extortion. Negotiating after the fact in an
auction is dishonest. Again, I am not talking about fraud. I agree
that the wo
ge no-nothings. Fun.
---Original Message---
> From: "Joaquim Carvalho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Opinions wanted, ebay item condition
> Sent: 15 Jun 2005 14:15:29
>
> On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 18:04, Wigwam Jones wrote:
> > The problem was that my o
y back. You'll be lucky if all you get is laughed at. That's not how
auctions work, and people understand that around here.
---Original Message---
> From: "Joaquim Carvalho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Opinions wanted, ebay item condition
> Sent
nal Message---
> From: "Charles Braswell Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Opinions wanted, ebay item condition
> Sent: 15 Jun 2005 14:07:11
>
> > So I am asking for opinions about what I should do. How do you guys look
> at
> > this kind of thing?
On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 18:04, Wigwam Jones wrote:
> The problem was that my offer of 100% refund minus shipping was not
> acceptable to the guy - he complained to Paypal and got it all back, after my
> account was frozen for three months. Despicable. And then to hear it as an
> accepted way to
On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 18:14, Mark Roberts wrote:
> Yes, there are people who use the fear of negative feedback to try to
> get a post-purchase discount this way. My policy is to offer full refund
> (less shipping) or nothing. It's sad that it's come to this but there's
> not much else you can do.
.
---Original Message---
> From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Opinions wanted, ebay item condition
> Sent: 15 Jun 2005 13:14:57
>
> "Wigwam Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >I got taken by a crook who use
> So I am asking for opinions about what I should do. How do you guys look
at
> this kind of thing?
Forgot to mention.I never use the words "perfect or mint" in a Ebay
auction listing, people just expect too much when you do. I seldom use the
words "like new".
Charles
> So I am asking for opinions about what I should do. How do you guys look
at
> this kind of thing?
Hi Tom,
You could ask for a 100% refund as you stated and return the item or you
could contact the seller and explain that the holder was not in the
described condition and ask for a small partial
"Wigwam Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I got taken by a crook who used 'not as described' to try to renegotiate
>after the auction to get a lower price.
Yes, there are people who use the fear of negative feedback to try to
get a post-purchase discount this way. My policy is to offer full r
From: "Joaquim Carvalho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Opinions wanted, ebay item condition
> Sent: 15 Jun 2005 13:49:06
>
> VG+ is not bad and these ratings are subjective...
> Use it for a while and after a month or two if it's not good ask for a
> refund,
I won't get into what you should have done, or how the seller should have
described the listing, but if you're not happy with the item, and if it
doesn't meet the standard of "perfect" as was described in the listing,
tell the guy you want ALL your money back, including shipping, and don't
fail to
VG+ is not bad and these ratings are subjective...
Use it for a while and after a month or two if it's not good ask for a
refund, you have three months to give (bad) feedback and someone who has
100% positive will not want a negative. You could also ask for a small
refund, like 10% or 20% because t
I got taken by a crook who used 'not as described' to try to renegotiate after
the auction to get a lower price.
I listed an item that I knew was a real collector's item, but I had no need for
it. It was never 'all that' even when designed and sold as new - and now it
was 30 years old - but it
I would just use it and enjoy it. I paid twice as much for mine, which I would
rate as excellent. I think the word "perfect" is sometimes used without much
thought. It's a throwaway. To many it probably means excellent rather than like
new. That doesn't excuse the seller, but I think the price w
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