El Gringo wrote:
Society decays for any number of reasons. Poverty is the worst. I think
perhaps, nudity in society is not a cause but an effect of other problems.
Julius Ceasar said that "Poverty is the mother of all crime." Poverty
fosters immorality. Decay stems from poverty not from nudity
17 AM
Subject: Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three shot series
Sure you're not thinking of polititcians?
Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
But most of them are men.
mike wilson wrote:
More tits in the UK than anywhere else in the world..
Politicians are real "boobs".
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
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hich you're
referring.
Tom C.
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I usually avoid getting into one of these sid
I usually avoid getting into one of these side-bar discussions. But I
do want to note here that I am very impressed and appreciative that Bob
B. and Tom C. and others have been able to express their objections
without screaming, yelling, or accusing anyone of being the devil in
disguise. And pe
se (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
shot series)
--- Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 14
Jul 2004 at 12:35, Tanya Mayer Photography
> wrote:
>
> > And that has got to be the most inconcise, and
> long-winded sentence anyone
> > has ever wr
--- Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 14
Jul 2004 at 12:35, Tanya Mayer Photography
> wrote:
>
> > And that has got to be the most inconcise, and
> long-winded sentence anyone
> > has ever written on the PDML, jeez, I am so full
> of BS...
>
> That was OK, I'm pretty sure I win that co
--- Tanya Mayer Photography <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: >
>
> PS Frank, did you just wink at me again?!?!
No, dear.
I mean, Yes, dear.
I mean, I don't know.
Well, I really mean, "whatever you think the best
answer is"...
-frank (having a horrid flashback to my days as a
married man)
=
On 14 Jul 2004 at 12:35, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:
> And that has got to be the most inconcise, and long-winded sentence anyone
> has ever written on the PDML, jeez, I am so full of BS...
That was OK, I'm pretty sure I win that competition :-)
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-95
rank, did you just wink at me again?!?!
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Subject: RE: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the
three shot series)
> On 14 Jul 2004 at 10:40, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:
>
> > We seem to
> > pride ourselves on showing just how educated we
--- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >
I think Spencer Tunick's photos are more about scale
> than art. It's a
> feat of organization to get all those people in one
> place at the same
> time without their clothes.
> But most of the images seem ordinary to me. I guess
> my favorite is th
Rob said:
> So prey tell, what is offensive about Neanderthals? :-)
Not a single one of them ever used a Pentax. Clearly, they had no taste.
ERN
On 14 Jul 2004 at 10:40, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:
> We seem to
> pride ourselves on showing just how educated we are on such matters on this
> list, and then go and negate it all by acting like a bunch of vulgar
> neanderthals!
So prey tell, what is offensive about Neanderthals? :-)
Rob
--- Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi,
> "You mustn't do that, some people might find it
> offensive".
>
> Well, f_ck them.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Bob
Thank you, Bob, for briefly and succinctly putting
things into a language and perspective I can
understand and relate to.
cheers,
frank
==
y, 14 July 2004 10:12 AM
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El gringo, whoever that is, posted:
> Okay, sure, some art is offensive just to be offensive BUT EVEN IN THOSE
> CASES, it is still ART, it is still SELF E
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> Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
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>
>
> Paul "Steady" Stenquist shared:
> > I don't think the
Tom C. noted:
Now... the flipside... most people without a moral center (religious
or otherwise), and I'm not intending to imply anything about any PDML
member, won't give a damn about infringing on my freedoms, wishes, or
desires.
And we can be thankful that no one here has infringed on your fr
On 13 Jul 2004 at 11:41, Tom C wrote:
> The problem I see with this whole thing is this...
>
> 1. We are constantly bombarded by images of sexuality in our society.
> 2. Morals have declined significantly in the past 100 or so years. What is OK
> today was not OK yesterday. Did it suddenly beco
On 13 Jul 2004 at 19:42, Bob W wrote:
> It seems to me that unless you have a problem with that type of
> photography in general then it is probably rather inconsistent to
> single out that particular picture.
Well yes I do in fact, I'm totally at odds with it usually, the arguments/self
justifi
lol, good point Jens!
tan.
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Subject: RE: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
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It's interesting that the last supper appar
Bob W wrote:
Hi,
Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 8:58:42 PM, El wrote:
I'm sorry I implied your statement was ignorant... Julius Caesar, as the
ruler of possibly the most powerful empire ever in history, by nature of his...
On a point of pedantry, Julius Caesar was never the emperor. Rome became an emp
mong other things realize I am not an
island.
Tom C.
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I have never seen a s
Nudity is an issue here, as a result of cultural differences. I don´t
think it has much to do with religion at all.
When I was 4 to 6 I lived in Colorado. I didn´t care to much for
clothes so when it was warm I usually took them of. My parents where,
of course, scared of being arrested. In
And you are the POT calling the KETTLE black, El Gringo.
Tom C.
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:3
On Jul 13, 2004, at 5:42 PM, Cotty wrote:
Ah, but were they taken with a Pentax?
HAR!
You can bet your sweet booty they were! Pentax *ist D all the way with
the venerable SMC Pentax 50/1.4 mounted. No Canons in my closet
HAR!
Hi,
[...]
> If the intent of the artist is to cause offence, why then
> should the viewer not take offence? In fact, the viewer who doesn't take
> offence in that case is the person who "missed the point" of the work, wouldn't
> you think?
I wouldn't, no. Any artist could try to offend me, and pe
Tom C:
2. Morals have declined significantly in the past 100 or so years.
I don't agree. Morals have changed, for certain, but I'd say that
most of these changes have been for the better. My assessment is that
people on average are more happy now than a hundred years ago, and
that is partly due
WHO did I TELL what? I only made some statements, expressed some opnions,
and asked some questions?
Tom C.
From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:18:47 -0600, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I myself believe there is an absolute truth and that their is a God with
s
> Tom C wrote:
> Many of us, and let me presume all of us, filter out all
> kinds of things we don't want to see or hear. My satellite
> TV controller has plenty of filters set up.
>
> This constant filtering from all sources becomes exhausting
> and tiresome. I personally would prefer that
On 13/7/04, D. Glenn Arthur Jr., discombobulated, offered:
>At the same time, I would like to ask that those of
>us who perceive such requests as censorshop try to
>refrain from jumping the gun on accusations of
>actual censorship, and to try to understand where
>the request is coming from, so t
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:17:45 -0700
Tom C wrote:
Rome never did become Christian. It became "Christian".
Is that your way of saying, "in name only
From: "Tom C"
> Rome never did become Christian. It became "Christian".
Like so many other nations after them.
Interestingly, most "muslim" countries are more muslim than "christian"
nations are christian. That's one of the things they despise about the
western world. I must say I can understa
On 13/7/04, Christian, discombobulated, offered:
>> Rome never did become Christian. It became "Christian".
>
>Hey I've stayed out of this thread! Why drag me into it
>
>Christian or "Christian"
>
ROTFLMAO
Cheers,
Cotty
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:18:47 -0600, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I myself believe there is an absolute truth and that their is a God with
standards for right and wrong.
Some people believe not. That's their right to choose.
Even having strongly held personal views and convictions, I believe
On 13/7/04, graywolf, discombobulated, offered:
>REMEMBER! I DID NOT START THIS RELIGIOUS/POLITICAL [expletive deleted]
THREAD! IF YOU DON'T
>WANT TO LOOK AT SOMEONES PHOTOS, THEN DON'T! OTHERWISE STICK YOUR HEADS
>BACK UP
>YOUR expletive deleted] WHERE THEY BELONG.
>
>PS: I didn't much care for
On 13/7/04, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, offered:
>Thanks! I appreciate hearing your opinion. It differs from mine, but you're
>entitled to it. Knowing other folks opinions is a Privilege. After all, they
>don't have to tell you.
I concur. And back at ya! ;-)
Cheers,
Cotty
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I guess you're another victim... :)
Tom C.
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-Origi
discourse (was Re: PAW:
Temptation of Eve, the three shot series)
D. Glenn Arthur and all,
I'd like to respond more to your post, but lack the time and I need to go to
lunch.
Let's look at it from another simplistic viewpoint. The PDML has had
little, if any, sexual content, art depicting n
On 13/7/04, Tom C, discombobulated, offered:
>Bombardment may not have been the right word... I was using it in a general
>sense... we are bombarded from numerous sources, and I was lumping the
>recent PDML posts in with the rest.
Ahhh, understood. Except that there is one problem with that. I
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID I MEAN EVERYTHING!!
-el gringo
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Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
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"My value
hes, or desires.
Tom C.
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"My values are the only "right" ones. If you
CTED]>
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"My values are the only "right" ones. If you do not subscribe to them
with every bit of your mind, b
-Original Message-
From: Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Rome never did become Christian. It became "Christian".
Hey I've stayed out of this thread! Why drag me into it
Christian or "Christian"
'S a'matter, Greywolf?
Someone say something that really resurrected your P.O. button?
keith
graywolf wrote:
"My values are the only "right" ones. If you do not subscribe to them
with every bit of your mind, body, and soul you are damned! If you do
not I have the duty to send you to the maker for
Rome never did become Christian. It became "Christian".
And you're way over the top.
Tom C.
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I would have labelled this Off Topic, but it's actually about
the list even though it&
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Jens Bladt wrote:
> I second that, Tom.
> I would prefer to be able to see PDML stuff on the screen, even if there are
> children present, at work, the libraries etc., where I don't want do cause
> others to feel embarrassed.
There was plenty of warning on these images.
I was
"My values are the only "right" ones. If you do not subscribe to them with every
bit of your mind, body, and soul you are damned! If you do not I have the duty
to send you to the maker for judgment right now."
Are those the values you are talking about?
100 years ago the white, puritan, English
I'm sorry I implied your statement was ignorant... Julius Caesar, as the
ruler of possibly the most powerful empire ever in history, by nature of his
position, has more insight into social matters than you or I ever will. And
if you think about what he is saying for a moment, you will realize, t
LOL!
mike wilson wrote:
Steve Desjardins wrote:
The cultural moires and/or taboos of the viewer are an essential part of
a photo.
But is there a pattern to it?
.
--
Daniel J. Matyola (908)725-3322 fax:(908)707-0399
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Well and rationally countered, Bob.
keith whaley
Bob W wrote:
Hi,
BTW I have a real problem with the Afghan Girl pic
I'm not quite sure how you can have a problem with the original photo.
As far as I know, when he took it he was not really aware of what he
had in the can until it was processed. H
lelse-
Fra: Tom C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 13. juli 2004 21:36
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
shot series)
Many of us, and let me presume all of us, filter out all kinds of things we
don't want to see or hear. My sa
Thanks! I appreciate hearing your opinion. It differs from mine, but you're
entitled to it. Knowing other folks opinions is a Privilege. After all, they
don't have to tell you.
Regards,
Bob...
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On 13/7/04, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, offered:
>
> >"Can't we
bject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
shot series)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:17:08 -0400
On Jul 13, 2004, at 2:29 PM, Bob Blakely wrote:
"Can't we have a forum for discussion about photography where we don't
bombard each other with sexual images? Is t
I would have labelled this Off Topic, but it's actually about
the list even though it's not about photography or cameras
per se any more.
Tom C wrote:
> 1. We are constantly bombarded by images of sexuality in our society.
Gonna come back to that one...
> 2. Morals have declined significantly i
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Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:50:43 +0100
On 13/7/04, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, offered:
>"Can't we have a forum for discussion about photography where we don't
>bombard eac
On Jul 13, 2004, at 2:29 PM, Bob Blakely wrote:
"Can't we have a forum for discussion about photography where we don't
bombard each other with sexual images? Is that to much to ask?"
We already have that. No one here is bombarded with sexual images. For
one, sex and artful nudity are not the sam
On 13/7/04, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, offered:
>"Can't we have a forum for discussion about photography where we don't
>bombard each other with sexual images? Is that to much to ask?"
>
>Now, the preceding was a request. It was only a request. It was not a
>demand. Again, failure to honor the
Personally, I think there are far too many racing car pictures on this
site.
As a devout Walkist, any form of car picture tends to offend me, and fast
cars pictures tend to offend me absolutely.
Now I don't want to impose any form of censorship, so just stop posting
them.
I know there are
On 13/7/04, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, offered:
>"Can't we have a forum for discussion about photography where we don't
>bombard each other with sexual images? Is that to much to ask?"
One or two pics in (a long time) is hardly 'bombardment'!
Cheers,
Cotty
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On 13/7/04, Tom C, discombobulated, offered:
>I respect what you said. I am not suggesting censorship. I am suggesting
>self-sensorship.
>
>I for one, believe in the right to free speech and free expression. The
>obvious problem occurs when exercising ones rights to such trample on/or
>viola
delig meddelelse-
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Sendt: 12. juli 2004 23:58
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: RE: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
shot series)
Hey Paul, interesting shots. By the way, have you ever seen "Yo Mama's
Last Supper" by R
Hi,
> BTW I have a real problem with the Afghan Girl pic
I'm not quite sure how you can have a problem with the original photo.
As far as I know, when he took it he was not really aware of what he
had in the can until it was processed. He was taking photos around a
displaced persons camp, as that
ack down.
Tom C.
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Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
shot series)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:47:48 +0100
On 13/7/04, Tom C, discombobulated, offere
Since when does a request for discretion become censorship. Are we now
reduced to the point where a mere request for voluntary restraint is
suggesting is censorship? If this is true, is you advocating the folks
censorship in making requests?
I think your judgment that what Tom suggested censorship
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:13:13 -0500
Society decays for any number of reasons. Poverty is the worst. I think
perhaps, nudity
red, can certainly
be called disparaging.
Tom C.
>From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
>shot series)
>Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:02:48 -0
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From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >They have Great Tits in the UK.
> >
> >http://www.uksafari.com/greattits.htm
>
> I honestly don't know where you've seen all these birds with disgraceful
> names. I certainly haven't seen any
To bring them down, you have to pl
these images are not imbedded in the PDML... and an individual has
a choice...
Tom C.
From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
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Date
LOL. I thought the thread needed more photographic content. ;-)
(Damn Spell Checker. Why can't it know the word I want? )
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/13/04 01:07PM >>>
Steve Desjardins wrote:
> The cultural moires and/or taboos of the viewer are an essential part
of
> a photo.
But is there a pat
Hi,
> I honestly don't know where you've seen all these birds with disgraceful
> names. I certainly haven't seen any
> We did have a lone Red Raw Freshly Spanked Buttock at the feeder the
> other day,
I really did laugh out loud at that one!
It reminds me of the gag Steven Fry and Hugh Laurie u
Steve Desjardins wrote:
The cultural moires and/or taboos of the viewer are an essential part of
a photo.
But is there a pattern to it?
On 13/7/04, Tom C, discombobulated, offered:
>1. We are constantly bombarded by images of sexuality in our society.
>2. Morals have declined significantly in the past 100 or so years. What is
>OK today was not OK yesterday. Did it suddenly become OK or did standards
>change?
>3. Forty/Fifty ye
rtainly
be called disparaging.
Tom C.
From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:02:48 -0400
I don't think the work dispa
Sure you're not thinking of polititcians?
Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
But most of them are men.
mike wilson wrote:
More tits in the UK than anywhere else in the world..
HAR!
Regards,
Bob...
From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> It's interesting that the last supper apparently always takes place at
only
> three sides of the table - too make life easier for painters and
> photographers :-)
On 13 Jul 2004 at 16:58, Dario Bonazza wrote:
> And Blue Tits too:
> http://www.naturephotographers.bramleyfrith.co.uk/separates/british/birds/bi
> rd02.htm
I hear they only come out in the cold?
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT) +10 Hours
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http://
Rob Studdert wrote:
> They have Great Tits in the UK.
>
> http://www.uksafari.com/greattits.htm
And Blue Tits too:
http://www.naturephotographers.bramleyfrith.co.uk/separates/british/birds/bi
rd02.htm
Dario
If that's what you consider "great tits," Rob, you qualify as an
honorary Brit!
Rob Studdert wrote:
They have Great Tits in the UK.
On 13 Jul 2004 at 9:14, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> But most of them are men.
>
> mike wilson wrote:
>
> > More tits in the UK than anywhere else in the world..
They have Great Tits in the UK.
http://www.uksafari.com/greattits.htm
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(
> It brings great pain and sadness to me (no, it's not the
> nudity per se). It's as though this was done to one of my
> parents, or perhaps my best friend.
>
> In fact, it was.
Please explain.
> The work reveals a lot about the artist, about his
> willingness to cause pain to a multitude o
Thanks for reposting them. And kudos to everyone for a very civilized
discussion on a subject where overall agreement was unlikely.
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/13/04 07:15AM >>>
I don't see any of the three as an "American" version. The placement of
the one woman's hands on the other's breasts was
But most of them are men.
mike wilson wrote:
More tits in the UK than anywhere else in the world..
I had a similar reaction. I do think it is well executed, in that I
could have just ignored it if it was badly done. Bob said he felt
sadness, whereas I feel more of an uncomfortable confusion. Either way
I found the quality of the photo hard to ignore.
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/12/04 11:54PM >>
Hmmm.
Regards,
Bob...
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From: "Keith Whaley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Bob Blakely wrote:
>
> > This is art and well done. It is indeed powerful, however...
> >
> > It br
This is art and well done. It is indeed powerful, however...
It brings great pain and sadness to me (no, it's not the nudity per se).
It's as though this was done to one of my parents, or perhaps my best
friend.
In fact, it was.
The work reveals a lot about the artist, about his willingness to
Jeeez! I'm not getting Collin's posts, and I'm obviously I'm missing
some good stuff. I'm not being facetious here. I enjoy divergent points
of view, and Collin has proven himself to be a gentleman. I don't have
him blocked (or anyone else for that matter). I don't know why I keep
missing his p
Collin (spelled your name right this time), the news of Renaissance art
being used to assault the Catholic Church is a new one on me. Do you know
of any links to sites where I might learn more about this? Just curious.
Thanks.
Pat White
Well, Paul, your pictures certainly provoked some discussion! Hmm, isn't
that what art is meant to do? Also, you raise a valid point about religious
art often depicting nudity.
However, many people feel that a painting may be art, but a photo of the
same subject is porn, sort of like the old "ar
ial as they are.
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 8:38 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve,
> the three shot series)
>
>
> I think Spencer Tun
I think Spencer Tunick's photos are more about scale than art. It's a
feat of organization to get all those people in one place at the same
time without their clothes.
But most of the images seem ordinary to me. I guess my favorite is the
one that looks like a field of sheep. It's metaphorical a
On 13 Jul 2004 at 0:18, Bob W wrote:
> > His work just shows how stupid some people can be (sorry if there are any
> > participants here). What else could you call someone who could be persuaded to
> > lie on the earth/asphalt in the rain/cold without their gear on and have
> > photos taken of the
Hi,
>>
>> Then you must not like Spencer Tunick's work at all...
>> http://spencertunick.com/
> His work just shows how stupid some people can be (sorry if there are any
> participants here). What else could you call someone who could be persuaded to
> lie on the earth/asphalt in the rain/cold wi
Hi,
Monday, July 12, 2004, 11:36:13 PM, Amita wrote:
>> to me that seems like a very lazy, easy-target piece of work.
>> Not shocking at all, but the sort of thing a 16-year-old
>> might think was clever.
> Heh...the local Catholics and mayor Guilianni sure thought it was
> shocking.
that's w
Hi,
> Then you must not like Spencer Tunick's work at all...
> http://spencertunick.com/
on the contrary - I rather like it - it's very intersting. He did a
photograph a couple of years ago at Selfridges, a department store
in London where I used to work. Several people in it that I recognise...
Sure Steve. But once again I must add -- at the risk of being redundant
-- these pictures show bare breasts and are of a suggestive nature.
If you are offended by nudity, biblical allusions, or rosey pink
background paper, please don't look.
Part One: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=
On Jul 12, 2004, at 3:37 PM, Bob W wrote:
. I'm trying to keep medieval prejudice and ignorance out of my house.
--
Cheers,
Bob
Your wisdom once again made me smile, Bob. Thanks, I needed that.
We all have our own devils, don't we?
And if another man's friend happens to be our devil, I guess we ju
There is an alternative.
Grand Teton is just another way of saying Big Tit, so why not call it
.. Well, I'll leave it to you. Don't wish to offend.
John
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:08:48 +0100, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
Monday, July 12, 2004, 9:45:47 PM, John wrote:
In Scotland, by L
Hi,
Monday, July 12, 2004, 9:45:47 PM, John wrote:
> In Scotland, by Loch Leven, is a beautifully shaped mountain called the
> "Pap of Glencoe". I won't attach a pic lest it offends anyone.
the Americans have an entire national park called Grand Teton.
Good job so few of them speak French - th
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