: Stan Halpin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
shot series)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:18:16 -0500
I usually avoid getting into one of these side-bar discussions. But I do
want to note here
El Gringo wrote:
Society decays for any number of reasons. Poverty is the worst. I think
perhaps, nudity in society is not a cause but an effect of other problems.
Julius Ceasar said that Poverty is the mother of all crime. Poverty
fosters immorality. Decay stems from poverty not from nudity.
Hmmm.
Regards,
Bob...
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No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in
session.
-- Mark Twain
From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bob Blakely wrote:
This is art and well done. It is indeed powerful, however...
It brings great
I had a similar reaction. I do think it is well executed, in that I
could have just ignored it if it was badly done. Bob said he felt
sadness, whereas I feel more of an uncomfortable confusion. Either way
I found the quality of the photo hard to ignore.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/12/04 11:54PM
It brings great pain and sadness to me (no, it's not the
nudity per se). It's as though this was done to one of my
parents, or perhaps my best friend.
In fact, it was.
Please explain.
The work reveals a lot about the artist, about his
willingness to cause pain to a multitude of
HAR!
Regards,
Bob...
From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's interesting that the last supper apparently always takes place at
only
three sides of the table - too make life easier for painters and
photographers :-)
.
Tom C.
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:02:48 -0400
I don't think the work disparages anyone's God. It simply applies the Last
On 13/7/04, Tom C, discombobulated, offered:
1. We are constantly bombarded by images of sexuality in our society.
2. Morals have declined significantly in the past 100 or so years. What is
OK today was not OK yesterday. Did it suddenly become OK or did standards
change?
3. Forty/Fifty years
, these images are not imbedded in the PDML... and an individual has
a choice...
Tom C.
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
shot series)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:47:48 +0100
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Tom C.
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:02:48 -0400
I don't think the work disparages anyone's God. It simply applies the Last
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Subject: RE: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:13:13 -0500
Society decays for any number of reasons. Poverty is the worst. I think
perhaps, nudity in society is not a cause but an effect of other
Since when does a request for discretion become censorship. Are we now
reduced to the point where a mere request for voluntary restraint is
suggesting is censorship? If this is true, is you advocating the folks
censorship in making requests?
I think your judgment that what Tom suggested
.
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
shot series)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:47:48 +0100
On 13/7/04, Tom C, discombobulated, offered:
1. We are constantly bombarded by images
Hi,
BTW I have a real problem with the Afghan Girl pic
I'm not quite sure how you can have a problem with the original photo.
As far as I know, when he took it he was not really aware of what he
had in the can until it was processed. He was taking photos around a
displaced persons camp, as that
meddelelse-
Fra: Amita Guha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 12. juli 2004 23:58
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: RE: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
shot series)
Hey Paul, interesting shots. By the way, have you ever seen Yo Mama's
Last Supper by Renee Cox? It was the life
On 13/7/04, Tom C, discombobulated, offered:
I respect what you said. I am not suggesting censorship. I am suggesting
self-sensorship.
I for one, believe in the right to free speech and free expression. The
obvious problem occurs when exercising ones rights to such trample on/or
violates
On 13/7/04, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, offered:
Can't we have a forum for discussion about photography where we don't
bombard each other with sexual images? Is that to much to ask?
One or two pics in (a long time) is hardly 'bombardment'!
Cheers,
Cotty
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Personally, I think there are far too many racing car pictures on this
site.
As a devout Walkist, any form of car picture tends to offend me, and fast
cars pictures tend to offend me absolutely.
Now I don't want to impose any form of censorship, so just stop posting
them.
I know there are
On 13/7/04, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, offered:
Can't we have a forum for discussion about photography where we don't
bombard each other with sexual images? Is that to much to ask?
Now, the preceding was a request. It was only a request. It was not a
demand. Again, failure to honor the
On Jul 13, 2004, at 2:29 PM, Bob Blakely wrote:
Can't we have a forum for discussion about photography where we don't
bombard each other with sexual images? Is that to much to ask?
We already have that. No one here is bombarded with sexual images. For
one, sex and artful nudity are not the same
: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
shot series)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:50:43 +0100
On 13/7/04, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, offered:
Can't we have a forum for discussion about photography where we don't
bombard each other with sexual images? Is that to much to ask
I would have labelled this Off Topic, but it's actually about
the list even though it's not about photography or cameras
per se any more.
Tom C wrote:
1. We are constantly bombarded by images of sexuality in our society.
Gonna come back to that one...
2. Morals have declined significantly in
: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
shot series)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:17:08 -0400
On Jul 13, 2004, at 2:29 PM, Bob Blakely wrote:
Can't we have a forum for discussion about photography where we don't
bombard each other with sexual images? Is that to much to ask?
We already have that. No one
Thanks! I appreciate hearing your opinion. It differs from mine, but you're
entitled to it. Knowing other folks opinions is a Privilege. After all, they
don't have to tell you.
Regards,
Bob...
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 13/7/04, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, offered:
Can't we have a
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Fra: Tom C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 13. juli 2004 21:36
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
shot series)
Many of us, and let me presume all of us, filter out all kinds of things we
don't want to see or hear. My satellite TV
Well and rationally countered, Bob.
keith whaley
Bob W wrote:
Hi,
BTW I have a real problem with the Afghan Girl pic
I'm not quite sure how you can have a problem with the original photo.
As far as I know, when he took it he was not really aware of what he
had in the can until it was processed.
I'm sorry I implied your statement was ignorant... Julius Caesar, as the
ruler of possibly the most powerful empire ever in history, by nature of his
position, has more insight into social matters than you or I ever will. And
if you think about what he is saying for a moment, you will realize,
My values are the only right ones. If you do not subscribe to them with every
bit of your mind, body, and soul you are damned! If you do not I have the duty
to send you to the maker for judgment right now.
Are those the values you are talking about?
100 years ago the white, puritan, English
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Jens Bladt wrote:
I second that, Tom.
I would prefer to be able to see PDML stuff on the screen, even if there are
children present, at work, the libraries etc., where I don't want do cause
others to feel embarrassed.
There was plenty of warning on these images.
I was
]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Metadiscussion: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of
Eve, the three shot series)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:33:42 -0400 (EDT)
I would have labelled this Off Topic, but it's actually about
the list even though it's not about photography or cameras
per se any
Rome never did become Christian. It became Christian.
And you're way over the top.
Tom C.
From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
shot series)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:00:55
'S a'matter, Greywolf?
Someone say something that really resurrected your P.O. button?
keith
graywolf wrote:
My values are the only right ones. If you do not subscribe to them
with every bit of your mind, body, and soul you are damned! If you do
not I have the duty to send you to the maker for
-Original Message-
From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Rome never did become Christian. It became Christian.
Hey I've stayed out of this thread! Why drag me into it
Christian or Christian
vbg
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the
three shot series)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:00:55 -0400
My values are the only right ones. If you do not subscribe to them
with every bit of your mind, body, and soul you are damned! If you do
not I have the duty
.
Tom C.
From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
shot series)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:00:55 -0400
My values are the only right ones. If you do not subscribe to them with
every bit
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID I MEAN EVERYTHING!!
-el gringo
-Original Message-
From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 3:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
shot series)
My values
On 13/7/04, Tom C, discombobulated, offered:
Bombardment may not have been the right word... I was using it in a general
sense... we are bombarded from numerous sources, and I was lumping the
recent PDML posts in with the rest.
Ahhh, understood. Except that there is one problem with that. I am
Arthur Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Metadiscussion: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of
Eve, the three shot series)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:33:42 -0400 (EDT)
I would have labelled this Off Topic, but it's actually about
the list even
I guess you're another victim... :)
Tom C.
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Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:16:44 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
-Original Message
On 13/7/04, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, offered:
Thanks! I appreciate hearing your opinion. It differs from mine, but you're
entitled to it. Knowing other folks opinions is a Privilege. After all, they
don't have to tell you.
I concur. And back at ya! ;-)
Cheers,
Cotty
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On 13/7/04, graywolf, discombobulated, offered:
REMEMBER! I DID NOT START THIS RELIGIOUS/POLITICAL [expletive deleted]
THREAD! IF YOU DON'T
WANT TO LOOK AT SOMEONES PHOTOS, THEN DON'T! OTHERWISE STICK YOUR HEADS
BACK UP
YOUR expletive deleted] WHERE THEY BELONG.
PS: I didn't much care for the
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:18:47 -0600, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I myself believe there is an absolute truth and that their is a God with
standards for right and wrong.
Some people believe not. That's their right to choose.
Even having strongly held personal views and convictions, I believe
On 13/7/04, Christian, discombobulated, offered:
Rome never did become Christian. It became Christian.
Hey I've stayed out of this thread! Why drag me into it
Christian or Christian
vbg
ROTFLMAO
Cheers,
Cotty
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From: Tom C
Rome never did become Christian. It became Christian.
Like so many other nations after them.
Interestingly, most muslim countries are more muslim than christian
nations are christian. That's one of the things they despise about the
western world. I must say I can understand their
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
shot series)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:17:45 -0700
Tom C wrote:
Rome never did become Christian. It became Christian.
Is that your way of saying, in name only?
I can't think of any other way of interpreting
On 13/7/04, D. Glenn Arthur Jr., discombobulated, offered:
At the same time, I would like to ask that those of
us who perceive such requests as censorshop try to
refrain from jumping the gun on accusations of
actual censorship, and to try to understand where
the request is coming from, so that
Tom C wrote:
Many of us, and let me presume all of us, filter out all
kinds of things we don't want to see or hear. My satellite
TV controller has plenty of filters set up.
This constant filtering from all sources becomes exhausting
and tiresome. I personally would prefer that the
WHO did I TELL what? I only made some statements, expressed some opnions,
and asked some questions?
Tom C.
From: John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:18:47 -0600, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I myself believe there is an absolute truth and that their is a God with
Tom C:
2. Morals have declined significantly in the past 100 or so years.
I don't agree. Morals have changed, for certain, but I'd say that
most of these changes have been for the better. My assessment is that
people on average are more happy now than a hundred years ago, and
that is partly due
Hi,
[...]
If the intent of the artist is to cause offence, why then
should the viewer not take offence? In fact, the viewer who doesn't take
offence in that case is the person who missed the point of the work, wouldn't
you think?
I wouldn't, no. Any artist could try to offend me, and perhaps
On Jul 13, 2004, at 5:42 PM, Cotty wrote:
Ah, but were they taken with a Pentax?
HAR!
You can bet your sweet booty they were! Pentax *ist D all the way with
the venerable SMC Pentax 50/1.4 mounted. No Canons in my closet vbg
HAR!
And you are the POT calling the KETTLE black, El Gringo.
Tom C.
From: El Gringo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
shot series)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:38:20 -0500
Okay, sure, some art
Nudity is an issue here, as a result of cultural differences. I don´t
think it has much to do with religion at all.
When I was 4 to 6 I lived in Colorado. I didn´t care to much for
clothes so when it was warm I usually took them of. My parents where,
of course, scared of being arrested. In
things realize I am not an
island.
Tom C.
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
shot series)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:39:44 -0400
I have never seen a sexually explicit
Bob W wrote:
Hi,
Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 8:58:42 PM, El wrote:
I'm sorry I implied your statement was ignorant... Julius Caesar, as the
ruler of possibly the most powerful empire ever in history, by nature of his...
On a point of pedantry, Julius Caesar was never the emperor. Rome became an
lol, good point Jens!
tan.
-Original Message-
From: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 14 July 2004 3:14 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
shot series)
It's interesting that the last supper apparently
On 13 Jul 2004 at 19:42, Bob W wrote:
It seems to me that unless you have a problem with that type of
photography in general then it is probably rather inconsistent to
single out that particular picture.
Well yes I do in fact, I'm totally at odds with it usually, the arguments/self
On 13 Jul 2004 at 11:41, Tom C wrote:
The problem I see with this whole thing is this...
1. We are constantly bombarded by images of sexuality in our society.
2. Morals have declined significantly in the past 100 or so years. What is OK
today was not OK yesterday. Did it suddenly become
Tom C. noted:
Now... the flipside... most people without a moral center (religious
or otherwise), and I'm not intending to imply anything about any PDML
member, won't give a damn about infringing on my freedoms, wishes, or
desires.
And we can be thankful that no one here has infringed on your
: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
shot series)
Paul Steady Stenquist shared:
I don't think the work disparages anyone's God. It simply applies the
Last Supper as a metaphor. One can interpret in any number of ways.
Perhaps it speaks to the dehumanizing of women
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
shot series)
Paul Steady Stenquist shared:
I don't think the work disparages anyone's God. It simply applies the
Last Supper as a metaphor. One can interpret in any number of ways.
Perhaps
--- Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi,
You mustn't do that, some people might find it
offensive.
Well, f_ck them.
--
Cheers,
Bob
Thank you, Bob, for briefly and succinctly putting
things into a language and perspective I can
understand and relate to.
vbg
cheers,
frank
=
The
On 14 Jul 2004 at 10:40, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:
We seem to
pride ourselves on showing just how educated we are on such matters on this
list, and then go and negate it all by acting like a bunch of vulgar
neanderthals!
So prey tell, what is offensive about Neanderthals? :-)
Rob
Rob said:
So prey tell, what is offensive about Neanderthals? :-)
Not a single one of them ever used a Pentax. Clearly, they had no taste.
ERN
--- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think Spencer Tunick's photos are more about scale
than art. It's a
feat of organization to get all those people in one
place at the same
time without their clothes.
But most of the images seem ordinary to me. I guess
my favorite is the
one
- Original Message -
From: Rob Studdert
Subject: RE: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the
three shot series)
On 14 Jul 2004 at 10:40, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:
We seem to
pride ourselves on showing just how educated we are on such
matters on this
list
Message-
From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 14 July 2004 12:11 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
shot series)
- Original Message -
From: Rob Studdert
Subject: RE: civil discourse (was Re: PAW
On 14 Jul 2004 at 12:35, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:
And that has got to be the most inconcise, and long-winded sentence anyone
has ever written on the PDML, jeez, I am so full of BS...
That was OK, I'm pretty sure I win that competition :-)
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel
--- Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snip
PS Frank, did you just wink at me again?!?!
No, dear.
I mean, Yes, dear.
I mean, I don't know.
Well, I really mean, whatever you think the best
answer is...
-frank (having a horrid flashback to my days as a
married man) g
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--- Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14
Jul 2004 at 12:35, Tanya Mayer Photography
wrote:
And that has got to be the most inconcise, and
long-winded sentence anyone
has ever written on the PDML, jeez, I am so full
of BS...
That was OK, I'm pretty sure I win that competition
: Temptation of Eve, the three
shot series)
--- Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14
Jul 2004 at 12:35, Tanya Mayer Photography
wrote:
And that has got to be the most inconcise, and
long-winded sentence anyone
has ever written on the PDML, jeez, I am so full
of BS...
That was OK
I usually avoid getting into one of these side-bar discussions. But I
do want to note here that I am very impressed and appreciative that Bob
B. and Tom C. and others have been able to express their objections
without screaming, yelling, or accusing anyone of being the devil in
disguise. And
Collin,
- Original Message -
From: Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
#1 Teats is still commonly used in the agricultural community,
particularly dairy production,
when speaking in mixed company. It's just the civil courteous thing to
do.
Interesting. I didn't know that.
:- Original Message -
:From: Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
:
: #1 Teats is still commonly used in the agricultural community, particularly
dairy production,
: when speaking in mixed company. It's just the civil :courteous thing to do.
:
:Interesting. I didn't know that.
Man, porn at home is the best way to enjoy it.
Antonio
On 12 Jul 2004, at 20:36, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
My only goal is to keep porn out of my house.
I didn't receive the first message in this thread. However, I feel I
should respond. First, I don't equate nudity in a photograph or
painting with pornography. If this were the case, much of the art in
Vatican City would have to be considered pornography. Michaelangelo's
sculptures reveal far
Paul,
(and others) It's good to have civil dialog with disagreement. Here we can get
things done.
It's not simple nudity that I've objected to. Rather the sensual character presented.
As excellent as they are,
having that over-riding theme is the issue.
Much (obviously not all) of the art
Hi,
Monday, July 12, 2004, 7:36:41 PM, Collin wrote:
I made no demand; just presented a term with an understood definition.
But I also cannot present my point by sacrificing my world view.
It's easy to obfuscate between art and pornography, missing the point that
pornography is the nature of
Too late.
Regards,
Bob...
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
Monday, July 12, 2004, 7:36:41 PM, Collin wrote:
I made no demand; just presented a term with an understood definition.
But I also cannot present my point by sacrificing my world view.
It's easy to obfuscate between art and
On Jul 12, 2004, at 3:37 PM, Bob W wrote:
. I'm trying to keep medieval prejudice and ignorance out of my house.
--
Cheers,
Bob
Your wisdom once again made me smile, Bob. Thanks, I needed that.
We all have our own devils, don't we?
And if another man's friend happens to be our devil, I guess we
Hi,
Then you must not like Spencer Tunick's work at all...
http://spencertunick.com/
on the contrary - I rather like it - it's very intersting. He did a
photograph a couple of years ago at Selfridges, a department store
in London where I used to work. Several people in it that I recognise...
Hi,
Monday, July 12, 2004, 11:36:13 PM, Amita wrote:
to me that seems like a very lazy, easy-target piece of work.
Not shocking at all, but the sort of thing a 16-year-old
might think was clever.
Heh...the local Catholics and mayor Guilianni sure thought it was
shocking.
that's what
Hi,
Then you must not like Spencer Tunick's work at all...
http://spencertunick.com/
His work just shows how stupid some people can be (sorry if there are any
participants here). What else could you call someone who could be persuaded to
lie on the earth/asphalt in the rain/cold without
On 13 Jul 2004 at 0:18, Bob W wrote:
His work just shows how stupid some people can be (sorry if there are any
participants here). What else could you call someone who could be persuaded to
lie on the earth/asphalt in the rain/cold without their gear on and have
photos taken of them in
I think Spencer Tunick's photos are more about scale than art. It's a
feat of organization to get all those people in one place at the same
time without their clothes.
But most of the images seem ordinary to me. I guess my favorite is the
one that looks like a field of sheep. It's metaphorical
as they are.
-Original Message-
From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 8:38 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve,
the three shot series)
I think Spencer Tunick's photos are more about scale than art. It's
Well, Paul, your pictures certainly provoked some discussion! Hmm, isn't
that what art is meant to do? Also, you raise a valid point about religious
art often depicting nudity.
However, many people feel that a painting may be art, but a photo of the
same subject is porn, sort of like the old
Collin (spelled your name right this time), the news of Renaissance art
being used to assault the Catholic Church is a new one on me. Do you know
of any links to sites where I might learn more about this? Just curious.
Thanks.
Pat White
Jeeez! I'm not getting Collin's posts, and I'm obviously I'm missing
some good stuff. I'm not being facetious here. I enjoy divergent points
of view, and Collin has proven himself to be a gentleman. I don't have
him blocked (or anyone else for that matter). I don't know why I keep
missing his
This is art and well done. It is indeed powerful, however...
It brings great pain and sadness to me (no, it's not the nudity per se).
It's as though this was done to one of my parents, or perhaps my best
friend.
In fact, it was.
The work reveals a lot about the artist, about his willingness to
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