Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-14 Thread David Savage
Not long after I sent that, I remembered hearing how you were lacking wall space. Dave On 2/14/06, Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > it is hanging on the wall - from a hook, though not in a > frame... > > I wear it on rare special occsaions. > > and (ask frank if you don't believe me) th

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-13 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Rob Studdert wrote: > > On 13 Feb 2006 at 19:53, Ann Sanfedele wrote: > > > and (ask frank if you don't believe me) there ain't no room > > on the walls for anything else :) > > Of course I can vouch for you too, little paint is visible between the book- > shelves and art-works :-) > > Cheers,

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-13 Thread Rob Studdert
On 13 Feb 2006 at 19:53, Ann Sanfedele wrote: > and (ask frank if you don't believe me) there ain't no room > on the walls for anything else :) Of course I can vouch for you too, little paint is visible between the book- shelves and art-works :-) Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-13 Thread Ann Sanfedele
David Savage wrote: > > You should have it framed and hang it on the wall then. > > I'm serious :-) > > Dave > > On 2/13/06, Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have one > > scarf I hardly ever > > wear because I'm afraid I'll lose it and it was a present > > from someone special. >

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-13 Thread David Savage
You should have it framed and hang it on the wall then. I'm serious :-) Dave On 2/13/06, Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have one > scarf I hardly ever > wear because I'm afraid I'll lose it and it was a present > from someone special. > > ann > >

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-12 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Mark Roberts wrote: > > Collin R Brendemuehl wrote: > > > 1. Which lens are you willing to get beat in a harsh environment > > when you don't want to take the nice lenses out to play. > > > > 2. Which lens will you only bring out in the nicest conditions? > > (and as a result this lens, though pe

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-12 Thread John Coyle
Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 6:07 AM Subject: Re: The Sacrifices - Original Message - From: "Kenneth Waller" Subject: Re: The Sacrifices Kinda like the first dent/chip on a new car's finish. I

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-12 Thread Tom C
Rob Studdert wrote: I fell off a slippery rock holding my LX with 31LTD fitted, I got dinged, keeping the camera out of the water, the baseplate of the LX and the hood and aperture ring of the lens didn't come off too well either though the damage stopped nothing functioning 100%. Not the

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-12 Thread Rob Studdert
On 12 Feb 2006 at 15:36, herb greenslade wrote: > Last fall I tripped on a stair and fell heavily onto my *ist DS with my > Pentax 100mm macro lens. Not a scratch!! You or the camera and lens? I fell off a slippery rock holding my LX with 31LTD fitted, I got dinged, keeping the camera out of t

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-12 Thread Kenneth Waller
That's what comes of buying Japanese cars. Same can be said of at least one US maker & one German maker, based on my recent buying experiences. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: The Sacrifices On

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-12 Thread John Forbes
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:52:38 -, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The point in a products lifetime where it acquires its first dings/scratches etc always makes me feels annoyed with myself that I let it happen (however inevitable) but at the same time is fairly liberating. Ki

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-12 Thread herb greenslade
Hi I've probably and unknowingly been paraphrasing that for the last 40 years :-). And I'm glad that it was one of my heroes that said it. I have a couple of photos of musicians that are so tack sharp that it looks like a studio - promo set up. On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:36:18 -0500, frank theri

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-12 Thread John Francis
On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 02:52:38PM -0500, Kenneth Waller wrote: > > Kinda like the first dent/chip on a new car's finish. I've always felt the > new vehicle should come with a chip/dent from the factory. Years ago that > usually was the case, nowadays ,in my experience, it isn't. Nowadays there

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-12 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Kenneth Waller" Subject: Re: The Sacrifices Kinda like the first dent/chip on a new car's finish. I've always felt the new vehicle should come with a chip/dent from the factory. Years ago that usually was the case, nowadays ,in my

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-12 Thread Kenneth Waller
t the new vehicle should come with a chip/dent from the factory. Years ago that usually was the case, nowadays ,in my experience, it isn't. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 8:57 PM Subje

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-12 Thread keith_w
Cotty wrote: On 11/2/06, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: Please post a picture of the virgins. Actually having a hard time finding any these days. No three wise men either. Uhhh, does Alma know you're looking? I know. Not if you're a wise man... keith Cheers, Cotty

RE: The Sacrifices

2006-02-12 Thread Bob W
> From: Bob Shell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > That whole part of Kent is also something of a refuge for > bizarre old > > customs. The great English photographer Tony Ray-Jones > squeezed a lot > > of mileage out of it; he took some of his best photos in and around > > Rochester. > > >

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-12 Thread Bob Shell
On Feb 12, 2006, at 10:30 AM, Bob W wrote: That whole part of Kent is also something of a refuge for bizarre old customs. The great English photographer Tony Ray-Jones squeezed a lot of mileage out of it; he took some of his best photos in and around Rochester. Interesting. I found the

RE: The Sacrifices

2006-02-12 Thread Bob W
round Rochester. -- Cheers, Bob > -Original Message- > From: John Forbes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 12 February 2006 15:08 > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: The Sacrifices > > Whitstable's OK, too. The natives are tasty. > > John > >

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-12 Thread Bob Shell
On Feb 12, 2006, at 10:05 AM, Bob W wrote: Rochester may be dreary, but you're on the way to the North Kent Marshes, which are a spectacular wetland/salt marsh habitat, and the setting of the opening scene of Great Expectations when Pip meets Magwitch in the graveyard at Cooling. It's ve

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-12 Thread John Forbes
- From: Bob Shell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 February 2006 13:26 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: The Sacrifices On Feb 12, 2006, at 5:01 AM, Cotty wrote: > We won't be ready to receive guests until the summer. Summer in > England is a magical time. Agreed. I have actual

RE: The Sacrifices

2006-02-12 Thread Bob W
hostgate.co.uk/northkentmarshes/index.htm http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/animals/features/298feature1.shtml -- Cheers, Bob > -Original Message- > From: Bob Shell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 12 February 2006 13:26 > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: The Sacri

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-12 Thread Bob Shell
On Feb 12, 2006, at 5:01 AM, Cotty wrote: We won't be ready to receive guests until the summer. Summer in England is a magical time. Agreed. I have actually managed to be there in the summer a few times when it wasn't raining. I used to "commute" to England when I was publishing a maga

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-12 Thread Cotty
On 12/2/06, Juan Buhler, discombobulated, unleashed: >It was thirteen virgins then. Har! Actually, they're not virgins anymore ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-12 Thread Cotty
On 12/2/06, David Mann, discombobulated, unleashed: >So what was the ceremony before you modified its mount? Must have >been quite a spectacle. Just a quick dusting down with the goose down thongs ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://ww

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-12 Thread Cotty
On 11/2/06, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: >Please post a picture of the virgins. Actually having a hard time finding any these days. No three wise men either. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com __

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-12 Thread Cotty
On 11/2/06, Cesar, discombobulated, unleashed: >Cotty, Dude. > >Should I feel honored with the fact that you let me use the 85 while I >was visiting? The honour was all mine. >:Hmmm, maybe it was because I used it on your camera... I >never thought about trying it out on my cameras... You

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-12 Thread Juan Buhler
On 2/12/06, David Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 12, 2006, at 8:11 AM, Cotty wrote: > > > SMC A*85mm 1.4 gets treated with the respect it deserves. The > > ceremony > > that precedes even the opening of the case that holds it takes four > > hours and a dozen virgins in goose-down thongs

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-12 Thread Adam Maas
David Mann wrote: On Feb 12, 2006, at 7:28 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote: I can also understand guys who wouldn't use their best in less than ideal conditions but suppose you're out without your pristine lens & the opportunity arises that requires its use. You just blew it. I agree with this.

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-12 Thread David Mann
On Feb 12, 2006, at 8:11 AM, Cotty wrote: SMC A*85mm 1.4 gets treated with the respect it deserves. The ceremony that precedes even the opening of the case that holds it takes four hours and a dozen virgins in goose-down thongs. So what was the ceremony before you modified its mount? Must

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-12 Thread David Mann
On Feb 12, 2006, at 7:28 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote: I can also understand guys who wouldn't use their best in less than ideal conditions but suppose you're out without your pristine lens & the opportunity arises that requires its use. You just blew it. I agree with this. The best conditions

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread David Oswald
Collin R Brendemuehl wrote: 1. Which lens are you willing to get beat in a harsh environment when you don't want to take the nice lenses out to play. Whichever lens is on the camera when I find myself immersed in the adverse conditions. ...that is to say, I'm much more concerned about the ou

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Paul Stenquist
Please post a picture of the virgins. Cotty wrote: SMC A*85mm 1.4 gets treated with the respect it deserves. The ceremony that precedes even the opening of the case that holds it takes four hours and a dozen virgins in goose-down thongs. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People,

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Cesar
Cotty wrote: On 11/2/06, Collin R Brendemuehl, discombobulated, unleashed: 1. Which lens are you willing to get beat in a harsh environment when you don't want to take the nice lenses out to play. EF 24-70 2.8 L because it has rubber seals including on the mount. 2. Which le

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Cesar
1. Since I consider my camera gear as tools and not jewels, I would not hesitate to use any of my lenses in an environment I wish to introduce my camera to. 2. Seeing at my response above, none of them. You can ask the people who have seen my gear, the optics and operational aspects of them a

RE: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Rob Studdert
On 11 Feb 2006 at 15:04, Bob W wrote: > I don't like new, pristine camera equipment. I can only feel comfortable > with it when it's been through the wars a bit. When I got all my Contax gear > new I felt very intimidated by it until it had been scuffed around on > railway floors, dropped from ap

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Rob Studdert
On 11 Feb 2006 at 9:52, Fred wrote: > > What's the point of having good quality tools if they're not used? > > I see your point, Shel. However, certain tools might be most useful for > certain tasks, so "sparing" them for those critical tasks using others > instead may help ensure that they are

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread frank theriault
On 2/11/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just use the lens I think is best for the job regardless of the > conditions. My second most expensive lens (80-200/2.8) is my most abused > and beat up. If I ever found myself not using a lens because I was too > worried about it getting har

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 01:12:02PM -0500, Christian wrote: > Collin R Brendemuehl wrote: > >1. Which lens are you willing to get beat in a harsh environment > >when you don't want to take the nice lenses out to play. > > All of them. They are just tools and are meant to be used. I abuse my > ge

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Collin R Brendemuehl wrote: > 1. Which lens are you willing to get beat in a harsh environment > when you don't want to take the nice lenses out to play. > > 2. Which lens will you only bring out in the nicest conditions? > (and as a result this lens, though perhaps now having some age to it, > st

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Leon Altoff
Last weekend I was standing knee deep in sea water with waves coming in around me and salt spray in the air while holding my *istD with DFA50 f2.8 macro attached (with modified AF360fgz flash). Normally I would have had the FA100 f2.8 macro. I keep it all in an Ortleib waterproof bag when I'm

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
1. Which lens are you willing to get beat in a harsh environment when you don't want to take the nice lenses out to play. ... 2. Which lens will you only bring out in the nicest conditions? (and as a result this lens, though perhaps now having some age to it, still looks like new) Others have

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Juan Buhler
> 1. Which lens are you willing to get beat in a harsh environment > when you don't want to take the nice lenses out to play. FA43/1.9 black limited. > 2. Which lens will you only bring out in the nicest conditions? > (and as a result this lens, though perhaps now having some age to it, > still

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Juan Buhler
On 2/11/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This question reminds me of my old man. He has at least 2 of every > tool he owns. 1 or more of high quality & then the cheap one he > actually uses. He pitches a fit when I go for the good stuff :-) My mother has a dining room and two kitchen

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Cotty
On 11/2/06, Collin R Brendemuehl, discombobulated, unleashed: >1. Which lens are you willing to get beat in a harsh environment >when you don't want to take the nice lenses out to play. EF 24-70 2.8 L because it has rubber seals including on the mount. >2. Which lens will you only bring out i

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Some people do ... Shel > [Original Message] > From: Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > It's like owning a Ferrari and not driving it. > > But would you commute in and out of a city in a Ferrari ? > > Fred

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Christian
Fred wrote: It's like owning a Ferrari and not driving it. But would you commute in and out of a city in a Ferrari ? Fred Yes. Everyday if I could. A friend owned a Testarossa which he drove to work in the Washington DC area almost every day. The exception being when it was in the shop

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Fred
> It's like owning a Ferrari and not driving it. But would you commute in and out of a city in a Ferrari ? Fred

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Bob Shell" Subject: Re: The Sacrifices Lenses and cameras are tools. Does a carpenter have special hammers that he keeps at home on rainy days? I have a compound mitre saw that I am extra fond of. William Robb

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Kenneth Waller
ppose you're out without your pristine lens & the opportunity arises that requires its use. You just blew it. We're all in this for different reasons. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Collin R Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: The Sacrifi

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Christian
Collin R Brendemuehl wrote: 1. Which lens are you willing to get beat in a harsh environment when you don't want to take the nice lenses out to play. All of them. They are just tools and are meant to be used. I abuse my gear and expect it to hold up. 2. Which lens will you only bring out i

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Bob Shell
On Feb 11, 2006, at 12:34 PM, Jon Myers wrote: 1. Which lens are you willing to get beat in a harsh environment when you don't want to take the nice lenses out to play. Pretty much all of them - even my new M*300/4. 2. Which lens will you only bring out in the nicest conditions? (and as a

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Jon Myers
> 1. Which lens are you willing to get beat in a harsh > environment > when you don't want to take the nice lenses out to > play. Pretty much all of them - even my new M*300/4. > 2. Which lens will you only bring out in the nicest > conditions? > (and as a result this lens, though perhaps now >

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Collin R Brendemuehl" Subject: The Sacrifices 1. Which lens are you willing to get beat in a harsh environment when you don't want to take the nice lenses out to play. None. I'm made of sugar. 2. Which lens will you only bri

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread DagT
I don´t make that kind of distinctions. When I use a lot of money on equipment it is because I want to be able to use it under all circumstances. So, my A*85 has been through a lot, and it shows. It has even been repaired once. In about 15 years the A*135 will probably look the same, as

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Pål Jensen
- Original Message - From: "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For me, the harshest environment is whale watching. I own one of these: http://www.zodiacmarine.com/uk/bombard/familles/fiche.cfm?num_modele=29 I use my camera equipent all summer in this boat and keep it in an ordinary camer

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread E.R.N. Reed
Bob W wrote: When I got all my Contax gear new I felt very intimidated by it until it had been scuffed around on railway floors, dropped from apple trees, scraped in the bilges of fishing boats, and generally lived a bit. Mark!

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread E.R.N. Reed
Collin R Brendemuehl wrote: 1. Which lens are you willing to get beat in a harsh environment when you don't want to take the nice lenses out to play. The M lenses. I collected some of them for that exact reason. My rationale being that they contain no electronics. They were also cheap. 2.

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread David Savage
On 2/11/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't like new, pristine camera equipment. I can only feel comfortable > with it when it's been through the wars a bit. When I got all my Contax gear > new I felt very intimidated by it until it had been scuffed around on > railway floors, dropped

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Fred
> I'm not sure that I understand the thinking behind this question. Well, Collin's two questions are likely to provoke all sorts of answers, because we're all quite different in our relationships to our gear. I can't really speak for Collin, of course, but he may have intended that some of us wou

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread David Savage
On 2/11/06, Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What's the point of having good quality tools if they're not used? > > I see your point, Shel. However, certain tools might be most useful for > certain tasks, so "sparing" them for those critical tasks using others > instead may help ensure that the

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread David Savage
I ask him that question every time he reaches for the cheap stuff. It's just one of his quirky charms I guess. :-) Dave On 2/11/06, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What's the point of having good quality tools if they're not used? > > Shel > > > > > [Original Message] > > Wrom: OQKED

RE: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Bob W
> Sent: 11 February 2006 14:37 > To: Collin R Brendemuehl > Subject: Re: The Sacrifices > > > 1. Which lens are you willing to get beat in a harsh > environment when > > you don't want to take the nice lenses out to play. > > For me, the harshest environm

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Fred
> What's the point of having good quality tools if they're not used? I see your point, Shel. However, certain tools might be most useful for certain tasks, so "sparing" them for those critical tasks using others instead may help ensure that they are available when their use is most needed. And,

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Fred
> 2. Which lens will you only bring out in the nicest conditions? > (and as a result this lens, though perhaps now having some age to it, > still looks like new) Hmmm... Probably my worst example of a "sacred cow" lens is the A* 135/1.8. I tend to take this only when I know I am going to need th

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Fred
> 1. Which lens are you willing to get beat in a harsh environment > when you don't want to take the nice lenses out to play. For me, the harshest environment is whale watching. For the last few years, my solution to this has been a couple "user" copies of lenses that are really good (which "spar

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Manuel Magalhães
Collin R Brendemuehl wrote: 1. Which lens are you willing to get beat in a harsh environment when you don't want to take the nice lenses out to play. 2. Which lens will you only bring out in the nicest conditions? (and as a result this lens, though perhaps now having some age to it, still look

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff
What's the point of having good quality tools if they're not used? Shel > [Original Message] > From: David Savage > This question reminds me of my old man. He has at least 2 of every > tool he owns. 1 or more of high quality & then the cheap one he > actually uses. He pitches a fit when I go

RE: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I treat all my lenses the same, although, for various reasons (usually scarcity) I'd be more upset if something happened to some of them ... well, thinking about it a bit more, most of the lenses I use are scarce to some degree or another. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Collin R Brendemuehl

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Paul Stenquist
1. K 50/1,4, K 35/3.5, K24/3.5 (all very good, but all rather inexpensive and not essential to my kit) 2. K 85/1.8 (love it and tough to replace) and lately the DA 12-24/4 (expensive and much needed) On Feb 11, 2006, at 8:58 AM, Collin R Brendemuehl wrote: 1. Which lens are you willing to ge

Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread David Savage
On 2/11/06, Collin R Brendemuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1. Which lens are you willing to get beat in a harsh environment > when you don't want to take the nice lenses out to play. All of them. Which isn't to say I don't look after them in adverse conditions. They're tools & are meant to be u

The Sacrifices

2006-02-11 Thread Collin R Brendemuehl
1. Which lens are you willing to get beat in a harsh environment when you don't want to take the nice lenses out to play. 2. Which lens will you only bring out in the nicest conditions? (and as a result this lens, though perhaps now having some age to it, still looks like new) "He is no foo