Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: What is information and how is it related to 'entropy' ?

2015-04-09 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
of thermodynamic's second law is that entropy is a monotonic decreasing function. I presume you meant to say a monotonic increasing function ? Sung On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Jerry LR Chandler jerry_lr_chand...@me.com wrote: Dear Prof. Mani: Thank you for your informed response. One

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: What is information and how is it related to 'entropy' ?

2015-04-09 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
is a monotonic decreasing function. I presume you meant to say a monotonic increasing function ? Sung On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Jerry LR Chandler jerry_lr_chand...@me.com wrote: Dear Prof. Mani: Thank you for your informed response. One of the basic questions that remains open

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: What is information and how is it related to 'entropy' ?

2015-04-08 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
presume that you are aware of A. Ehresmann's work on the relation between category theory and entropy. Cheers Jerry On Apr 8, 2015, at 2:58 AM, A. Mani wrote: Prof Jerry, list On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:44 AM, Jerry LR Chandler jerry_lr_chand...@me.com wrote: My question to you

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Inference terminology

2015-04-08 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
, Jerry LR Chandler jerry_lr_chand...@me.com wrote: Steven: I was slightly stunned by your response. When you write: I am thinking only of Babara as the starting point. I wondered if this broad assertion refers to your views on biophysics as well (either inferring FOL or not)? Cheers

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Inference terminology

2015-04-07 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
the conclusion in some premisses-implying form like it rained last night and my lawn is wet, and that happens as a matter of course, with night rain never failing to leave my lawn wet. Best, Ben On 4/6/2015 12:39 AM, Jerry LR Chandler wrote: List, Ben, Clark, Danko: On Apr 3, 2015, at 1:04

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: What is information and how is it related to 'entropy' ?

2015-04-06 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Dear Professor Mani: Your post is an excellent example of how the meaning of a unique scientific term, coined for an exact reason to be consistent with a particular theory, changes it meaning by adding adjectives that demand a separate meaning. neighbourhood systems, extensions to fuzzy

Re: [PEIRCE-L] What is information and how is it related to 'entropy' ?

2015-04-04 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Sung On Apr 4, 2015, at 12:22 AM, Sungchul Ji wrote: (18) The concept of entropy has had a long and interesting history, beginning with its implicit introduction by Carnot to its explicit formalization as a state function by Clausius to its statistical treatment by Boltzmann and

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:8191] Re: Article on origina of the universe

2015-04-01 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Sung: On Apr 1, 2015, at 2:42 PM, Sungchul Ji wrote: If you have seen any bio textbook where in the Shannon equation is used and information is defined, I would love to have the reference. During the late 1970's and during the 1980's, numerous books and articles asserted relations between

[PEIRCE-L] Philosophies of Atomic Theory

2015-03-25 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List: This website: http://www.eoht.info/page/Atomic+theory gives a short survey of atomism, from classic Greek philosophy to modern times, including its relation to sub-atomic physics. The stages of development of philosophical thought about the nature of matter are presented

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Philosophies of Atomic Theory

2015-03-25 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
thought was a corollary to his atomism. I think that Peirce's evolutionary views and his views on continuity are more in line with Boscovich, as you suggest Jerry. I didn't know that Peirce followed Boscovich, but it makes sense. John -Original Message- From: Jerry LR Chandler

Re: [PEIRCE-L] A System Of Analytic Mechanics

2015-03-22 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
? Cheers Jerry John -Original Message- From: Jerry LR Chandler [mailto:jerry_lr_chand...@me.com] Sent: March 20, 2015 1:36 PM To: Peirce List Cc: Søren Brier; Steven Ericsson-Zenith; Jon Awbrey Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: A System Of Analytic Mechanics List, Jon, Soren

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: A System Of Analytic Mechanics

2015-03-20 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
...@att.net] Sendt: 19. marts 2015 15:32 Til: Søren Brier; Steven Ericsson-Zenith; Edwina Taborsky Cc: Jerry LR Chandler; Peirce List Emne: Re: A System Of Analytic Mechanics Re: Søren Brier At: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/15878 Søren, List, Smolin's 'Time Reborn

Re: [PEIRCE-L] A System Of Analytic Mechanics

2015-03-16 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Dear Steven, List: Thank you for posting these files prepared by CSP's brother and father. These files very definitely add support to your assertions concerning the familial logic entailments that are often reflected in CSP texts. It is most unfortunate that logicians and philosophers fail to

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Contradictories, contraries, etc

2015-03-05 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
and continuity and creativity are all very much Peircean, though. John From: Jerry LR Chandler [mailto:jerry_lr_chand...@me.com] Sent: February 28, 2015 8:43 PM To: Peirce List Cc: John Collier; Jim Willgoose Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Contradictories, contraries, etc John, List

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Contradictories, contraries, etc

2015-02-28 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
disagree here. We were just working to somewhat different ends (different pragmatics). Best, John From: Jerry LR Chandler [mailto:jerry_lr_chand...@me.com] Sent: February 28, 2015 12:49 AM To: Peirce Discussion Forum (PEIRCE-L@list.iupui.edu) Cc: Jon Awbrey; John Collier; Benjamin

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Chemical Logic

2015-02-27 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Jim, List: On Feb 27, 2015, at 2:15 PM, Jim Willgoose wrote: My comments are given below. Jerry, list Suppose that; +H : O : -H -- +H v O v -H would you say, 1) ':' is uninterpreted 2) ':' is uninterpretable 3) association fails so that there should be pairing '()' around the

Re: Contradictories, contraries, etc. WAS Re: [PEIRCE-L] Natural Propositions : Chapter 8 - On the philosophical nature of semiosis?

2015-02-25 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Ben: On Feb 24, 2015, at 6:45 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote: Anyway: Wxy ≡ xy are wife and husband together (two people uniquely paired in ordered relation) Did you really mean this? Or, is a married couple the same couple if they are not an ordered pair in the sense of set theory? That

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Relations Their Relatives

2015-02-18 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Jon Your post wrt Number Theory is very revealing concerning the origins of your beliefs with respect to matter / material world / reality in contrast to the world of perceptions, thoughts about the world out-there. Can it be re-evaluated from an alternative perspective of the notion

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce in 1913 on existential graphs

2015-02-15 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Ben: citing HP: HP: This strange rule illustrates Poincaré's criticism of logic as an impoverishment of natural language that can neither count nor tell time. With respect to the contrast between mathematics and logic, a sharper argument is possible. A priori, mathematicians tend to

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce’s 1880 “Algebra Of Logic” Chapter 3 • Selection 4

2015-02-15 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
to other individual symbols. Thus, the symbols for a appear to me to be part of two different notational systems. Was that your intent, Jim? Cheers Jerry On Feb 14, 2015, at 10:30 PM, Jerry LR Chandler wrote: Jim, List: Your diagram captures the essence of what I was seeking to communicate

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce’s 1880 “Algebra Of Logic” Chapter 3 • Selection 4

2015-02-14 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Jim, List: Your diagram captures the essence of what I was seeking to communicate. If one addresses the notion of an individual, then a singular individual, then a singular symbol, is interpreted as a logical correspondence relationship with a single line that signifies the exact numerical

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce’s 1880 “Algebra Of Logic” Chapter 3 • Selection 4

2015-02-14 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
and Don each love only Ann, but Ann loves only Don, then the dual relative ℓ = lover of = B:A + C:A + D:A + A:D. I think the problem is that member has two meanings. It can mean member of a set or member of a tuple. Regards, Jon On 2/12/2015 11:55 PM, Jerry LR Chandler wrote: List, Jon

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce’s 1880 “Algebra Of Logic” Chapter 3 • Selection 4

2015-02-12 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Jon: If read from a technical perspective, this passage (CP 3.220) can be interpreted as nearly self-contradictory or utterly ambiguous. It appears that CSP is unable to distinguish between nouns as Proper Nouns and nouns as generals. But this can be a perplex gloss. Contrast: Every

[PEIRCE-L] Mathematics or Philosophy?

2015-02-07 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List: From a recent paper by F Csatari, Some Remarks on the Physicalist Account of Mathematics. an approach to mathematics following the philosophy-first principle (as opposed to the philosophy-last-if-at-all principle). It seems to me that when reading CSP, some of us use the former and

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Relations

2015-02-03 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Jon, John, List: Just a note that I think should be considered very deeply in the historical context of the potential for consistency within CSP's writings. And a couple of questions. See; W1: 256, Lecture VIII: Forms of Induction and Hypothesis (1865) Quote: The first distinction we found

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Relations

2015-01-29 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
John, List: For example in a function, like f=ma, m,a is an ordered pair, one from one domain and another from another domain such that their product is in another domain which is the range of the function. Huh? Yes, as stated, I agree with your sentence. And that a function can be

Re: Contradictories, contraries, etc. WAS Re: [PEIRCE-L] Natural Propositions : Chapter 8 - On the philosophical nature of semiosis?

2015-01-19 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Ben: Let's look at the history of your posts on this topic: Jan. 17: I think that Gary F. is looking for the diametrical contrary of 'indubitability' in Peirce's sense. Jan. 17: I guess I should have said 'diametrical opposite' instead of 'diametrical contrary' which is an atypical

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Natural Propositions : Chapter 8 - On the philosophical nature of semiosis?

2015-01-17 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Ben: On Jan 17, 2015, at 12:16 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote: Jerry, But your 'S is P' 'S is not P' are contradictories, not contraries; they can't both be true and can't both be false. 'The dogs are four' and 'the dogs are five' are contraries: they can't both be true but can both

Re: [biosemiotics:7928] [PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions:

2015-01-17 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Ben: On Jan 17, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Benjamin Udell wrote: My sense of it is that Peirce does not push the idea that mathematicals are real. Thanks, Ben. This is a critical thought, at least to me. It is of substantial importance for interpreting the relations between CSP's notion of a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions : Chapter 8

2015-01-17 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Jon: On Jan 17, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Jon Awbrey wrote: But I can assure you that mathematicians as a rule, including Peirce, regard mathematical objects as “having properties”, which makes them “real” according to the technical Scholastic definition of “real” that Peirce always uses

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions : Chapter 8 - On the philosophical nature of semiosis?

2015-01-17 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Ben, Jon: On Jan 17, 2015, at 10:36 AM, Benjamin Udell wrote: I think that Gary F. is looking for the diametrical contrary of 'indubitability' in Peirce's sense. Such would be insuspectability. That something is indubitable in Peirce's sense means that one can't doubt it, even if

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:7752] Re: Peirce categories. Categorical representamen.

2014-12-21 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Sung: Your 122114-1 is my statement ABOUT propositional logic. Propositional logic is about terms. Terms expressed in language lie at the base of propositional logic. The grammars of sentences are used to relate terms. Ordinary grammar is expressed in terms of the symbol systems called

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:7752] Re: Peirce categories. Categorical representamen.

2014-12-20 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Lists, Howard: (This post contains numerous technical arguments that are probably inaccessible to many philosophers of the sort described by Gary F. as too abstruse for a simple backwoods scholar.) In answer to your question, I think you are missing the whole point of this endless exchange of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Continuity, Generality, Infinity, Law, Synechism, etc.

2014-11-17 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
. The observation that meaning is individualized is true for all individuals as a consequence of their antecedent sensory experiences. It is also true of language usage among disciplines. It is particularly important for those who love knowledge. Cheers Jerry From: Jerry LR Chandler

[PEIRCE-L] Sung asserts: the simplest category in the category theory is the commutative triangle.

2014-11-16 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
On Nov 16, 2014, at 6:01 AM, Sungchul Ji wrote: Hi, I just learned that the simplest category in the category theory is the commutative triangle. The next simple one would be the commutative square Sung: After posting examples (perhaps hundreds?) of your beliefs about category theory,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Continuity, Generality, Infinity, Law, Synechism, etc.

2014-11-14 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Michael, Kirsti, John: On Nov 12, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Michael DeLaurentis wrote: I don’t find any such distinction, implicit or explicit, in Peirce’s late writings. Motivated by your assertions, I re-read 4.172 and later paragraphs, searching for distinctions between CSP logic and

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7414] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-11-12 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Ben: From John Polkinghorne's Quantum Theory, A Very Short Introduction OUP, 2002, citing Richard Feynman: I think I can safely say that no one understands quantum mechanics If one views QM from the perspective of representamen, then one sees easily that a deep conundrum exists in the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Continuity, Generality, Infinity, Law, Synechism, etc.

2014-11-11 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Michael: On Nov 11, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Michael DeLaurentis wrote: Jerry -- It’s not that Peirce didn’t accept Cantorian set theory* [he did] – he didn’t think any aleph approached a true continuum [as he conceived it], just as any integer raised to the power of the integers [aleph

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Continuity, Generality, Infinity, Law, Synechism, etc.

2014-11-10 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Ben, list: On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:33 AM, Benjamin Udell wrote, quoting CSP: A true CONTINUUM (q. v.) is something whose possibilities of determination no multitude of individuals can exhaust. A minor comment with respect to this definition of a continuum. The concept of can exhaust is a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Continuity, Generality, Infinity, Law, Synechism, etc.

2014-11-10 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
LR Chandler [mailto:jerry_lr_chand...@me.com] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 11:59 AM To: Benjamin Udell Cc: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Continuity, Generality, Infinity, Law, Synechism, etc. Ben, list: On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:33 AM, Benjamin Udell wrote

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four

2014-11-05 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Clark: On Nov 2, 2014, at 10:31 PM, Clark Goble wrote: On Nov 2, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Jerry LR Chandler jerry_lr_chand...@me.com wrote: 1. the nature of the chemical bond was highly controversial and no clear general propositions were available. The iconic representation

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four

2014-11-02 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
chemical radical has a different meaning in the language of chemistry today; it is rather used in the very general sense as in these paragraphs, but commonly used as a neutral particle with one unpaired electron. Cheers Jerry From: Jerry LR Chandler [mailto:jerry_lr_chand...@me.com] Sent: 2

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Natural Propositions Chapter four, Proto-propositions

2014-11-02 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
of proto-thought in higher animals (specifically monkeys). I do not think these two concepts, quasi and proto, are identical. Best F Den 23/10/2014 kl. 19.09 skrev Jerry LR Chandler jerry_lr_chand...@me.com: Tyler, List: I am a quite uncertain about the meaning of the term proto

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four

2014-11-02 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Sung: First, please note that it was the general historical state of the chemical sciences that was incomplete (relative to 30-40 years later after quantum mechanics was introduced) as an explanation for physical-chemical identities. I did not wish to imply that CSP lacked understanding

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four

2014-11-02 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
— he wasn’t trying to theorize about chemistry. gary f. From: Jerry LR Chandler [mailto:jerry_lr_chand...@me.com] Sent: 2-Nov-14 4:04 PM To: Peirce List Cc: Gary Fuhrman Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four List: On Nov 2, 2014, at 8:05

Re: [PEIRCE-L] A quantitative model of organization called PITO

2014-11-02 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Sung: On Nov 2, 2014, at 7:54 PM, Sungchul Ji wrote: (2) All processes require dissipating free energy (or energy more briefly). There are two kinds of organizations – (a) random organization (e.g., Gaussian distributed word-length frequencies in German or English dictionaries;

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four

2014-11-01 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List: (NB: This post contains many technical terms which are used within the rhetoric of chemistry but not acceptable to many philosophers.) On Nov 1, 2014, at 4:42 PM, Jeffrey Brian Downard wrote: At root, what Peirce seems to see is that the underlying organization of the periodic chart

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7309] Natural Propositions chapter four

2014-10-31 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Sung: Thank you for repeating your personal philosophy. It is a source of curiosity to me. Unfortunately, your response simply adds many logical terms and propositions that are not directly related to the writings of CSP. Why do you feel at liberty to corrupt the original meanings of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Natural Propositions Chapter four, Proto-propositions

2014-10-23 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Tyler, List: I am a quite uncertain about the meaning of the term proto-proposition Could you hew-out a rough definition of your meaning? It would be helpful, but not necessary, to place the notion of proto-proposition in relation to the terms of the triadic triad. It would also be helpful

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.7 - 3.9 Kaina Stoicheia and water

2014-10-15 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Tom, JeffD, and GaryF: On Oct 14, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Tom Gollier wrote: I have to say, I just don't get this idea of real facts from reading Peirce. On the one hand, we have the denotation of the subject, something we all seem to agree on. On the other hand, Peirce describes the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:7042] Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.3

2014-10-14 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Ben, List: On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Benjamin Udell wrote: Jerry, list, Peirce's idea includes the idea that nature tells us things, and that's something that Frederik is getting at in discussing natural propositions. For example, an air sock dances, and that tells us that the air is

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.7 - 3.9

2014-10-13 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List: (N.B.: This post includes abstract technical rhetoric which may be incomprehensible to non-technical readers.) Sung's suggestion (copied below) is far to simple (in my opinion). The triadic triad requires triple and higher order articulations of the metaphysical forms of inquiry into

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-10-04 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Frederik, Jon: Pure Index? Pure Icon? Mysterious to me outside of the legisign commitment. Within the domain of chemistry, Lavoisier's Principle asserts a legisign concerning the concept of purity that CSP was certainly aware of. It is the starting point for the natural propositions of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: [biosemiotics:7077] Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.6, modern chemistry and icons commit themselves to nothing at all

2014-10-04 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Frederik, Jeff: On Oct 4, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Jeffrey Brian Downard wrote: (citing CSP), icons commit themselves to nothing at all This is a clear and crisp example of the influence of historical usage on the meaning of words, grammar, signs, symbols, terms, expressions, logic and so

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: [biosemiotics:7077] iconic commitment (was: Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.6) in essence engage in a form of hermeneutics

2014-10-04 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Stephen: On Oct 4, 2014, at 5:17 PM, Stephen C. Rose wrote: in essence engage in a form of hermeneutics. Consider the triadic triad: It contains nine terms. Five of these nine terms were of CSP coinage. CSP and CSP alone understands why the majority of these nines terms were

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7041] Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.3 Triadic triad as a 9-fold way and provocative questions. :-) :-) :-)

2014-10-01 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List: (N.B. 1: This message contains technical arguments that may be incomprehensible to non-technical readers.) (N.B. 2: This message also contains Peircian coinages that may be incomprehensible to non-Peircian readers.) The scientific origins of the meaning of the unique CSP-created logic

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6952] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-28 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Cathy, JeffD Just a simple fact and a simple comment. The simple fact is that I have been on the faculty of an Institute for the Study of Consciousness for more than 15 years after spending eight years researching the design of drugs for epilepsy. The simple comment is it is my personal

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6912] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-28 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
, hypothetically, as it were. John From: Jerry LR Chandler [mailto:jerry_lr_chand...@me.com] Sent: September 28, 2014 6:05 AM To: Stephen C. Rose Cc: Peirce-L Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6912] Re: Natural Propositions, Stephen: You simply state: Beauty and truth

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6912] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-27 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Stephen: You simply state: Beauty and truth are teleological terms I wonder why. Cheers Jerry On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Stephen C. Rose wrote: Beauty and truth are teleological terms and valuable as objectives that continuity heads toward and fallibility clouds. @stephencrose On

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Beyond the Correspondence Theory of Truth - Kant's polar opposition to chemistry

2014-09-25 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Jon: Kant and chemical semiotics are polar opposites. Kant did not accept the possibility of quantification of chemistry. from: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/kant-science/ In the Preface to the Metaphysical Foundations Kant claims that chemistry, at least as he understood it in

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Icons Indices

2014-09-21 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List: On Sep 21, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Jon Awbrey wrote: With that understanding, let's focus again on this central piece of the picture: S / O--R| \ I I would avoid calling that a 4-node network. My training in graph theory gives the word network too many

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Physics Semiosis

2014-09-17 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Frederik, List: On Sep 17, 2014, at 4:08 PM, Frederik Stjernfelt wrote: 1) simple metabolism, self-sustaining chemaical cycles - whose self-sustainment implies they are prone to adapt to searching for the compounds they need to continue the cycle, Huh? I am unaware of any such cycles.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6785] Re: Physics Semiosis: the

2014-09-14 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Sung: On Sep 13, 2014, at 9:21 PM, Sungchul Ji wrote: In other words, I claim that “A TRIADIC SET of three DYADIC RELATIONS is not the same (6795-3) as a TRIADIC RELATION among three relata, because the latter is by definition a mathematical category while the former need not

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6789] Re: Physics Semiosis: the name game. Semio-biology?

2014-09-14 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Frederik, On Sep 13, 2014, at 7:44 PM, Deely, John N. wrote: Just as semiotics is the generic name for the study of semiosis, and anthroposemiotics the specific name for the study ofanthroposemiosis allowing of many substudies, and zoösemiotics is the name for the study of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6624] Natural Propositions

2014-09-04 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Frederik: While I heartily agree with you that one of the principle objectives of Peircian logic is to chain together a sequence of natural propositions, but I am puzzled by this paragraph. On Sep 4, 2014, at 3:21 PM, Frederik Stjernfelt stj...@hum.ku.dk wrote: The main idea of the first

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6633] Natural Propositions cognition

2014-09-04 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Frederik: On Sep 4, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Frederik Stjernfelt stj...@hum.ku.dk wrote: Let me redescribe my claim. Physics, taken in itself, does not study cognition and communication processes - biology does. Perhaps you are seeking to express a more metaphysical argument about the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] SEMIOSIC, GRAMMATICA SPECULATIVA

2014-08-28 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Gary: On Aug 28, 2014, at 3:37 PM, Gary Moore peirce-l@list.iupui.edu wrote: 2] How deeply did Peirce get into the grammatical speculative of the pseudo-Scotus' Thomas of Erfort work? Gary C. Moore I studied the writings of Thomas of Erfort intensely for a few weeks about the turn

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Burgin's Fundamental Triads as Peirceasn Signs. On the nature of a syllogism

2014-07-06 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
On Jul 5, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Sungchul Ji wrote: The logic behind my syllogism is as follows: Major premise: A = B Minor premise: A = C Conclusion:C = B where A = Burign's fundamental triad, B = the unification of mathematics; and C = the Peircean triad. List: This is an

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The second law of thermodynamics; and the entelechy of applied mathematics.

2014-06-29 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
am not talking about philosophy of science. I am talking about thermodynamics as it is employed in science. Best wishes, Evgenii On 28.06.2014 20:11 Jerry LR Chandler said the following: Evgenii, List: On Jun 28, 2014, at 3:01 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 27.06.2014 19:26

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The second law of thermodynamics

2014-06-29 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
ideas or even Aristotelian forms I do not know. And I do not know any relevant Peirce text. Søren -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jerry LR Chandler [mailto:jerry_lr_chand...@me.com] Sendt: 28. juni 2014 21:44 Til: Søren Brier Cc: Evgenii Rudnyi; peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Emne: Re

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The second law of thermodynamics; and the entelechy of applied mathematics.

2014-06-28 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Evgenii, List: On Jun 28, 2014, at 3:01 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 27.06.2014 19:26 Jerry LR Chandler said the following: The concept of entropy as a scientific concept is a rigorous mathematic concept. It is an abstract concept, strictly limited to the flow of HEAT (not matter

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The second law of thermodynamics

2014-06-28 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Soren, List: Does the concept of heat embody the concept of form? If so, how? Entropy, as a component of the logic of thermodynamics, lacks form. What gives entropy form? Cheers jerry On Jun 28, 2014, at 6:54 AM, Søren Brier wrote: Dear Evgenii and list That fact is - as

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Introduction Meaning of Aesthetics as a Term?

2014-06-23 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Steven, List: On Jun 20, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Stephen C. Rose wrote: If Triadic Philosophy has any claim to originality it might be in the third term in its root triad which is Aesthetics. A critical comment, if I may... At a deep level, the origins and the dictionary meanings of words are

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-20 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
and the contents. Matt On Jun 15, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Jerry LR Chandler jerry_lr_chand...@me.com wrote: Matt: It is a question of the relation between your usage of the term us and how I understood your sentence. My comment was based

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-15 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
in reference to human existence. The concepts of emergence and evolution are grounded on the concept of historical changes of life forms. Cheers Jerry @stephencrose On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 12:05 AM, Jerry LR Chandler jerry_lr_chand...@me.com wrote: Matt: Scientific facts are in opposition

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-14 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Matt: Scientific facts are in opposition to your conclusion. Cheers jerry On Jun 14, 2014, at 5:11 PM, Matt Faunce wrote: Stephen, It appeared to me that you had hijacked the term pragmaticism, and I still think you might have. Peirce was an idealist, and the idea that 'we are reality,'

Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and religion: text 1

2014-06-02 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Stephen: I fully concur with your characterization of the context of what is being attempted with the categorization of a particular post as being Peircian or not; or of things Peircian or not.. From my view, the richness of the mind / writings of CSP are so vast and far-flung and so

Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-05-30 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
will be presented to the System Scientists there. Should be fun!) I would note in passing that the Biosemioticians seem to be struggling with the conceptualization of categories. Any comment from your perspectives of Cyber-semiotics? Cheers Jerry Fra: Jerry LR Chandler

Re: [PEIRCE-L] category theory in math

2014-04-30 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
From: Jerry LR Chandler [jerry_lr_chand...@me.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 8:59 PM To: Jeffrey Brian Downard Cc: Peirce List Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] category theory in math Jeff, List: Category theory is a generalization of several mathematical structures: sets, groups

Re: [PEIRCE-L] category theory in math

2014-04-30 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Jeff: On Apr 30, 2014, at 12:23 AM, Jeffrey Brian Downard wrote: John Baez: The point is, that a category is really a generalization of a group. (http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/categories.html) I fully agree with Jon Baez (who I have heard lecture on several occasions.) And, I further

Re: [PEIRCE-L] continuing the discussion re Structuralism

2014-04-29 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
about mathematical category theory, but I would certainly advocate applying Peirce's categoriology to the structure of the syntagm. Apropos of the latter, in what sense do you mean that my understanding of the syntagm is artificial? M. -Original Message- From: Jerry LR Chandler

Re: [PEIRCE-L] continuing the discussion re Structuralism

2014-04-28 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Michael A brief comment, the purpose of which is to sharpen the differences between scientific structuralism and your usage of the term with respect to linguistic continuity. On Apr 28, 2014, at 8:21 AM, Michael Shapiro wrote: “so space presents points, lines, surfaces, and solids,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapters 7 8

2014-04-27 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List: Frankly, I do not find CSP's words and works to be either as a structure or as a process. How about a obscurist or a fuzzy-ist? On the other hand, I find Michael's extraordinary clear view of philosophy: Peirce is the one great philosopher who escapes my definition of a philosopher

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-15 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
predecessor in particular: Herder. Best Søren Fra: Jerry LR Chandler [mailto:jerry_lr_chand...@me.com] Sendt: 15. april 2014 04:30 Til: Benjamin Udell Cc: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Emne: Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-14 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Ben, List On Apr 14, 2014, at 8:06 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote: He mentions Schleiermacher a few times in passing. Would you be so kind as to post the references to Schleiermacher? He played a critical role in the trio of students (with Schelling and a poet whose name I forget,) who moved

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-14 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Ben, List Thanks for citations. I will study them in some detail and from several perspectives. Very important to me. On Apr 14, 2014, at 9:10 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote: Or did Schleiermacher start out in theology? Yes, the three theology students studied at Tubingen together in the early

Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

2014-04-06 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Jeff, List: (Sung-note message to you below) Your comment is timely as we begin to enter the next session. The question of HOW MANY MEANINGS? may be assigned to a sign is critical from the perspective of trans-disciplinarity. Recall Vinicius's listing of the several meanings of the term

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