Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time

2020-03-13 Thread John F. Sowa
Edwina, When I was talking about model-relative theories of reality, I was definitely *not* advocating a kind of cognitive relativism. > we have to consider that some models more accurately represent this external reality than others - and also, Peirce did feel that we could, among the

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time

2020-03-13 Thread John F. Sowa
Edwina, I agree with that point, and I believe that Peirce would too: > we have to consider that some models more accurately represent this external reality than others - and also, Peirce did feel that we could, among the 'community of scholars', over time - reach a more and more accurate

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time

2020-03-13 Thread John F. Sowa
Jeff, Jon, Dan... For the past few months, I have been busy with some critical deadlines and activities that limited my participation in email discussions.  But I'd like to comment on the many possible views of reality. Two points by Peirce: 1. Reality is independent of anything we may think

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time

2020-03-11 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
List: Prescissive facts are *signified *by propositions (as predicates), while abstract qualities and concrete things are *denoted *by terms (as subjects). Put another way, when we say that a true proposition *represents *a fact, what we mean is not that a fact is its *object*, but that a fact

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time

2020-03-10 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
List: Combining what I wrote below about sequence with my earlier observation that both semeiosis and time conform to Gary R.'s vector of *determination *(2ns→1ns→3ns, object→sign→interpretant, past→present→future) prompts some additional suggestions. Peirce's speculative grammar posits an

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2020-03-09 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
523-8354 From: Jon Alan Schmidt Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 9:23:49 AM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time Jeff, List: How can time be hyperbolic, yet return into itself? The answer is found in projective geometry, which

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time

2020-03-09 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Jeff, List: JD: As Peirce points out in the 8th Cambridge Conferences Lecture in RLT, the self-returning character of a space or time manifold is a topological character of unbounded manifolds generally. We don't need to add in postulates concerning straightness and a line called the absolute

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time

2020-03-08 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ds >> back from the infinite future to the infinite past, it evidently proceeds >> by contraries. 8.316 >> >> Focusing on the points made in 3 and 4, how might we understand the >> contrast being made between *our* side of things, and the part of time >> that is on the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time

2020-03-07 Thread michaelcjm
of eternity? --Jeff Jeffrey Downard Associate Professor Department of Philosophy Northern Arizona University (o) 928 523-8354 - From: Jeffrey Brian Downard Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 11:37:06 PM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time Hell

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2020-03-06 Thread Edwina Taborsky
agram might we use to clarify the hyperbolic evolution from the infinite past to the infinite future? Using this diagram, what is the contrast between our side of things and the further side of eternity? --Jeff Jeffrey Downard Associate Professor Department of Philosophy No

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time

2020-03-06 Thread Helmut Raulien
nite past to the infinite future? Using this diagram, what is the contrast between our side of things and the further side of eternity? --Jeff Jeffrey Downard Associate Professor Department of Philosophy Northern Arizona University (o) 928 523-8354 From: Jeffrey Brian Downard Sent: Wednesd

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time

2020-03-06 Thread Daniel L. Everett
t;>> 1. I may mention that my chief avocation in the last ten years has been >>> to develop my cosmology. This theory is that the evolution of the world is >>> hyperbolic, that is, proceeds from one state of things in the infinite >>> past, to a different state

[PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time

2020-03-06 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Department of Philosophy Northern Arizona University (o) 928 523-8354 - From: Jeffrey Brian Downard Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 11:37:06 PM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu [5] Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time Hello Jon, List, At the beginn

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time

2020-03-06 Thread Daniel L. Everett
ome absolute spontaneity counter to all law, and some degree of conformity >> to law, which is constantly on the increase owing to the growth of habit. >> >> 4. As to the part of time on the further side of eternity which leads back >> from the infinite future to the infinite p

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time

2020-03-06 Thread Helmut Raulien
the contrast between our side of things and the further side of eternity? --Jeff Jeffrey Downard Associate Professor Department of Philosophy Northern Arizona University (o) 928 523-8354 From: Jeffrey Brian Downard Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 11:37:06 PM To: peirce-l@list.iup

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time

2020-03-06 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ofessor > Department of Philosophy > Northern Arizona University > (o) 928 523-8354 > -- > *From:* Jeffrey Brian Downard > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 11:37:06 PM > *To:* peirce-l@list.iupui.edu > *Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time >

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time

2020-03-05 Thread Daniel L. Everett
> > --Jeff > > > > > > Jeffrey Downard > Associate Professor > Department of Philosophy > Northern Arizona University > (o) 928 523-8354 > > > From: Dan Everett > Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:00 AM > To: Jeffrey Brian Downard > C

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time

2020-03-05 Thread Daniel L. Everett
e of time, I'd be willing > to take it up with you. > > > > --Jeff > > > > > > Jeffrey Downard > Associate Professor > Department of Philosophy > Northern Arizona University > (o) 928 523-8354 > > > From: Dan Everett > Sent: Thursday

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time

2020-03-05 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
_ From: Dan Everett Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:00 AM To: Jeffrey Brian Downard Cc: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time This is a fascinating topic and discussion. The syntax, semantics, pragmatics, and anthropology of temporal reference in natural

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time

2020-03-04 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
From: Jeffrey Brian Downard Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 11:37:06 PM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time Hello Jon, List, At the beginning of the post, you note that Peirce engaged in "mathematical, phenomenological, semeiotic, and metaphysical"

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time

2020-03-04 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
different methods. --Jeff Jeffrey Downard Associate Professor Department of Philosophy Northern Arizona University (o) 928 523-8354 From: Jon Alan Schmidt Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 3:56 PM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: [PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time L

[PEIRCE-L] The Reality of Time

2020-03-02 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
List: Gary Richmond, Gary Fuhrman, and I have had various lengthy off-List exchanges over the last few months about Peirce's ideas pertaining to time. After a lot of reading and thinking about the mathematical, phenomenological, semeiotic, and metaphysical aspects of that topic, I decided to