Ian,
What do you consider the most compelling argument for Green-style politics,
or do you have a ref for me ?
Thanks
J.
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From: "Jurriaan Bendien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Ian,
>
> What do you consider the most compelling argument for Green-style
politics,
> or do you have a ref for me ?
>
> Thanks
>
> J.
=
In terms of a sophomoric sound bite:
Finance capitalism is a pat
Well, it may have been a naive question, but you are really knowledgeable
about this, and I thank you very much for your reply. Yes, if you have some
refs, by all means post them.
Jurriaan
- Original Message -
From: "Eubulides" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> One aspect of that nervousness can be seen in the attempts by the US
> Justice Dept. to stop any and all lawsuits using the Alien Tort Claims
> Act. They're terrified of the future of global environmental law and, as
> any socia
The Greens are running 118 candidates for lesser bourgeois state
offices as well as Nader for Pres now. I think they already have 70-
something people
holding local offices nationwide . They pride themselves on their
'pratmatism"-
i.e. working to prop up-sugarcoat the wages system.
But they ar
was a surprise to the people who thought the mayor, who was
elected on the Green Party line, was a radical liberal activist about to
turn the town into a socialist enclave. In his reply to West, McLaughlin
noted that the law is unclear. ''That's because the laws were written
aroun
PLEASE FORWARD EVERYWHERE
The Greens/Green Party USA
Invites all Greens and progressive people to participate in
A Public Forum on
The Role of the Greens in the 2004 Presidential Election
Should Greens:
- run our own candidate
On Mon, 3 Jul 2000, neil wrote:
> The problem is for these reformers of capitalism , the overall
> economic crisis is deepning on the world scale and also in the USA.
Really? So why has world economic growth accelerated in the late Nineties?
Asia is growing again, the EU is picking up steam,
come
across this party? I also wonder what some of the Californians on this list
do when election time comes around. I have not yet found an active social
democratic party here and am debating between the Green party and this
Natural Law party.
www.natural-law.org
www.cagreens.org
Joshua
G'day Dennis,
>Really? So why has world economic growth accelerated in the late Nineties?
>Asia is growing again, the EU is picking up steam, and even Japan is
>rising from its torpor.
Would I be wrong in suspecting that Asia's Tigers are just making up some of
the ground they lost in '98, have
"The Future of the Green Party" (it's the Greens for Nader and Green
leaders like Peter Miguel Camejo, Matt Gonzalez, Jason West, Ross
Mirkarimi, Donna Warren, and others who are the future of the Green
Party):
<http://montages.blogspot.com/2004/07/future-of-green-party.html>
California, Take Back the Green Party!
"There's a little rebellion starting," [Peter] Camejo said this week.
Camejo said in California, the bastion of Green registration, "it's a
fact: The majority of the party wants to put Nader/Camejo on the
ballot." (Carla Marinucc
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Sent: 31 January 2002 07:39
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:22113] Green Party vs. Natural Law Party
I just recieved my California voter information guide for the primary
election. I had never heard about the Natural Law party, which looks like a
party of scientists.
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Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:38 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:22113] Green Party vs. Natural Law Party
>
> I just recieved my California voter information guide for the primary
> election. I had never heard about the Natural Law party, which looks like
a
> party of sci
and national health care). Has anyone
else come
>across this party? I also wonder what some of the Californians
on this list
>do when election time comes around. I have not yet found an
active social
>democratic party here and am debating between the Green party
and this
>Natural L
Peter Camejo = Green Party Gubernatorial wild card
Green Party can't be ignored, pundits Say
Carla Marinucci, Chronicle Political Writer
Tuesday, April 16,
2002 San Francisco Chronicle
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=
/c/a/2002/04/16/MN163.DTL
Peter Miguel Camejo, who wants
Vote for Peace, Ecology, Justice, Democracy - Green Party, Aronowitz for
Governor, Row G
Dear Friends: (Please circulate widely)
For an equitable society, for social and economic justice, for
environmental protection and for the only party that promotes and supports
Peace and Justice, vote
Published on Thursday, January 9, 2003 by the San Francisco Chronicle
Green Party Scores a Win on S.F. Board
Gonzalez's election as president shocks Democratic leaders
by Rachel Gordon
San Francisco, long a stronghold of the Democratic Party, got a jolt
Wednesday when Green Party candidate
Interesting topic. Like Henry Liu, I am also a planner, a
housing planner, but regionally, planners, designers, architects,
land use lawyers and a lot of forward looking environmental
thinkers of all hues of green are interested in trade-offs
between land use densities, urban design strategies (t
Interesting topic. My comments do not represent official City of
Berkeley positions.
That said, like Henry Liu, I am also a planner, though a housing
planner. However, working regionally, planners, designers,
architects, land use lawyers and a lot of forward looking
environmental thinkers of al
> LA, with all its problems, is still my favorite city, although I only lived
> there a little more than 4 years and in the late 60's, a period my friends
> there now tell me was the golden era for LA, and in fact for much else in the
> world.
>
> During that time, anyone arriving LA in the mor
On Tue, 4 Jul 2000, Rob Schaap wrote:
> Would I be wrong in suspecting that Asia's Tigers are just making up some of
> the ground they lost in '98, have lost many of the stabilising mechanisms
> that afforded them the sustained growth of the three decades leading up to
> '97, are having their sur
From David Cobb's website:
In the years since Holland, LaMarche has been employed at a radio
station in Maine's capital under the pseudonym Genny Judge, which she
borrowed from her late mother. Genny Judge is known throughout central
Maine as an altruist in the truest sense of the term. She has
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/15/04 2:02 PM >>>
"The Future of the Green Party" (it's the Greens for Nader and Green
leaders like Peter Miguel Camejo, Matt Gonzalez, Jason West, Ross
Mirkarimi, Donna Warren, and others who are the future of the Green
Party):
-Yosh
Michael Hoover wrote:
By 1936, left congressional candidates were negligible factor in wake of
most left-leaning period of New Deal that secured FDR's re-election.
Well, this is not quite accurate. Those candidates tended to function as
the left wing of the New Deal. In other words, they had the sa
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/15/04 3:02 PM >>>
Michael Hoover wrote:
> By 1936, left congressional candidates were negligible factor in wake
of
> most left-leaning period of New Deal that secured FDR's re-election.
Well, this is not quite accurate. Those candidates tended to function as
the left wing
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/15/04 3:56 PM >>>
Michael Hoover wrote
36 'left' (note scare quotes, few people realized
that party was front for father coughlin)) prez alternative was populist
candidacy of union party's william lemke (farmer-labor member of
congress from north dakota)...
<<<>>>
left ou
Michael Hoover wrote:
big difference between 36 and today re. above is that fdr did court
variety of progressive types, in fact, he ran 36 campaign as
'progressive coalition' rather than DP candidacy, number of 'soft' left
leaders did sign on to become 'junior' partners,
socialist/farmer-labor/comm
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/15/04 4:02 PM >>>
Michael Hoover wrote:
> big difference between 36 and today re. above is that fdr did court
> variety of progressive types, in fact, he ran 36 campaign as
> 'progressive coalition' rather than DP candidacy, number of 'soft'
left
> leaders did sign on to be
L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Louis
> Proyect
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 12:03 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [PEN-L] The Future of the Green Party
>
>
> Michael Hoover wrote:
> > By 1936, left congressional candidates were negligible
> fa
Devine, James wrote:
NKVD document reports...<
do you trust Klehr?
On this, I do. It actually undermines Klehr's general point that the
CPUSA was "subversive". They were as subversive as David Cobb.
--
Marxism list: www.marxmail.org
Michael Hoover wrote:
"...[in 1936] fdr's biggest fear (not too realistic imo) apparently
was that lafollette might be able to bring together
progressive/'left' elements..."
but until a year earlier, when the proverbial "lone nut" appeared, fdr's
biggest, and quite realistic, fear, was that Huey Lo
Cool. Looey for Provost of the UC university system,
BDL's boss. a guy can dream.
> Peter Camejo = Green Party Gubernatorial wild card
> Green Party can't be ignored, pundits Say
> "There's not many of them, but they certainly know how
> to cause damage to
>
>
>Brad, as I recall, mentions a bit heavy-handedly that it would
>take "tearing down Berkeley bungalows" for dense apartment
>buildings. This is misleading as to the nature of creating
>density. Our first draft General Plan is calling for major
>increases in downtown housing density, economi
> But the 60s was the period where there was real trickling down, not like now.
> There was so hope for a brief moment that the age of socialism was dawning and
> America, the richest nation was leading the way. There are different faces (and
> phases) of capitalism.
> But then, corporate restruc
But the 60s was the period where there was real trickling down, not like now.
There was so hope for a brief moment that the age of socialism was dawning and
America, the richest nation was leading the way. There are different faces (and
phases) of capitalism.
But then, corporate restructuring and
Since the Green Party US, like many other such parties, would probably not
exist if it had not been for the example of the German Greens, it would be
useful to examine the original.
By the mid 1970s a grassroots environmental of enormous scale had taken
root in Germany. Called the
Good news for the Green Party -- Camejo taking the lead in the Green
Party primaries, and the Green Party is likely to nominate the
Nader/Camejo combo:
* March 14, 2004
Camejo takes the lead
Peter Camejo won 99 of 132 state delegates in the California
primaries, garnering 75.4 percent of the
"Missing the 'Walter Cronkite Moment'" (an eloquent indictment of the
Afghanistan and Iraq Wars in the May 3rd issue of Sports Illustrated
-- a "Walter Cronkite moment" that the Green Party missed):
<http://montages.blogspot.com/2004/06/missing-walter-cronkite-
Arnold Schwarzenegger received 3,850,982 votes (at
<http://vote2003.ss.ca.gov/Returns/gov/00.htm>). Let's say that each
Green campaign worker in California should be responsible for
securing 100 votes for the Green Party gubernatorial candidate, by
getting registered Greens to vote, ge
I now live and work in New York, the capital of capitalism, Marxists do not dismiss or
deny capitalism. Marxists recognize capitalism's contribution in a historical context.
It is a neccessary phase in human development towards socialism.
In fact, Chinese Marxists are now claiming that it was an
nization at the outset, there were instead initiatives on a municipal
> or statewide level. For example, a Maine Green Party was launched in 1984.
> Louis Proyect
Wasn't there proto US GP in early '80s called Committees of Correspondence
(and I'm not confusing name with o
]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [PEN-L:20059] The Nader campaign, part two: the Green Party
>
>
> Since the Green Party US, like many other such parties, would probably not
> exist if it had not been for the example of the German Greens, it would be
> useful to examine the original. [snipped]
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/16/04 06:48AM >>>
"Over the last eight years, Nader has done more for the Green
Party than anybody else," said Howard Hawkins, a Green Party
organizer from Syracuse, N.Y. "We should draft him and have a
candidate who can be in the na
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/16/04 06:48AM >>>
"Over the last eight years, Nader has done more for the Green Party
than anybody else," said Howard Hawkins, a Green Party organizer
from Syracuse, N.Y. "We should draft him and have a candidate who
can be in the na
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/16/04 2:02 PM >>>
Even aside from the media question, it's no use denying that name
recognition matters in national politics, even to activists on the
left. For instance, this is what Doug had to say about Jonathan
Farley, a Green Party leader in T
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/16/04 10:20 PM >>>
geez, nader could draw 2 activists and he'd top what i'd draw, but do
activists
really need to hear him, seems to me that non-activists need to hear him
(i'd rather they heard folks mentioned above, and you as well)...
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above should have read:
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Cc:
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Camejo Takes the Lead/Green Party Likes Nader
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geez, nader could draw
ups of college-age kids being excited by Nader?
inquiring minds want to know.
Jim D.
-Original Message-
From: Michael Hoover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue 3/16/2004 7:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Camejo Takes the Lead/Gr
y a vote." Camejo,
if he decides to run at all, will run as a VP candidate on a
Nader/Camejo ticket. (As I said, Camejo has been running in
primaries not to promote himself, but to push for the Green Party
nomination of Nader.) Running in presidential elections costs
enormous amounts of mo
Among the liberal pundits who cry Anybody But Bush, it's "open
season" on Ralph Nader and the Green Party. Some wonder why the
Democratic leaders and intellectuals attack Nader and the Greens,
especially given that more Democrats voted for Bush than Nader in
2000: "Bush rece
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/17/04 1:43 AM >>>
I did vote for him in 2000 (in Calif.); his silence since the last
election has been deafening. I will not vote for him again. If I'm going
to "throw away a vote" I'd rather give it to Camejo or a socialist
candidate.
Joanna
<>
remember: electoral
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/17/04 7:30 AM >>>
At 10:20 PM -0500 3/16/04, Michael Hoover wrote:
>geez, nader could draw 2 activists and he'd top what i'd draw
Well, you look adorable in a prequel to _The Blair Witch Project_. :->
At 10:20 PM -0500 3/16/04, Michael Hoover wrote:
>but do activists real
Although the latest Nader/Dem/Socialist Revolution posts are
unobjectionale, this thread ingnited so much nastiness, that maybe we
can drop it.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
"The Green Party National Convention, June 23-28,
2004":<http://montages.blogspot.com/2004/06/green-party-national-convention-june.html>
--
Yoshie
* Critical Montages: <http://montages.blogspot.com/>
* Bring Them Home Now! <http://www.bringthemhomenow.org/>
* Calendars
American Prospect
No Tie -- Cobb!
The true story of how a man you've barely heard of beat Ralph Nader for
the Green Party nomination.
By Garance Franke-Ruta
Web Exclusive: 06.28.04
MILWAUKEE -- For Ralph Nader campaign spokesman Kevin Zeese, the map
explains it all. Hand drawn in black ball
> In any case, the Green Party needs to prioritize where its activists
> should spend their time and energy, mapping the political geography
> of race and class, and to set numerical targets (how many campaign
> workers, how many votes, etc. in each precinct), in order to garner
>
Audie Bock, the new Green Assembly representative from Cal. has a
question for us. She asked, about transit issues. She quotes: "I have
the impression that mass transit and highway planning are treated as two
separate and distinct issues. I believe that when planning our highways
in California w
Michael Perelman wrote:
>Audie Bock, the new Green Assembly representative from Cal. has a
>question for us. She asked, about transit issues. She quotes: "I have
>the impression that mass transit and highway planning are treated as two
>separate and distinct issues. I believe that when planning
This is a fascinating and important question. I use the
transportation-housing-land use nexus as my main example of interaction
effects (nonconvexities) when I teach this stuff. The main problem with
the "economic feasibility" criterion is that incremental changes in the
transportation system in
Urban and Transportation planning is my field. I was Chairman of the Graduate
Urban Design Program at UCLA from 1964-69, although I have since moved on to
international finance and economic policy analysis.
The artificial dichotomy between mass transit and highways is misleading.
Meaningful solu
>Audie Bock, the new Green Assembly representative from Cal. has a
>question for us. She asked, about transit issues. She quotes: "I have
>the impression that mass transit and highway planning are treated as two
>separate and distinct issues. I believe that when planning our highways
>in Califor
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/30/04 9:34 AM >>>
American Prospect
No Tie -- Cobb!
The true story of how a man you've barely heard of beat Ralph Nader for
the Green Party nomination.
By Garance Franke-Ruta
Web Exclusive: 06.28.04
Make no mistake: Had Nader chosen to fight for it
of person' campaign in 2000
failed
to reach 5% minimum in votes to qualify greens for matching funds in
04...
of course, he's a non (even anti) party guy and always has been, a
'common
cause' type, he's never been a member of green party, his prez campaigns
have not been
may or may not mean
much re. resonance with larger public)...
green party will experience 'growing pains' if it is to have substantive
longevity rather than being another in long line of minor parties that
exist for years & years in what amounts to 'virtual space'...
perh
Title: Re: "the Democratic Leadership Council wing
of the Gre
Michael Hoover writes...
however, color me a cynic as i've a
hunch that the sum of the parts that
you describe add up to less than
suggested...
....
green party will experience 'growing pains' if it is to have
s
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/02/04 7:44 PM >>>
On Nader's
site, a major push is for impeachment of the current Resident. in
Chief. In my mind this is the only viable defensive action available
to the American people at the moment. When Bush gets his second term,
even that avenue will be gone -- in his
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/02/04 7:44 PM >>>
On Nader's
site, a major push is for impeachment of the current Resident. in
Chief. In my mind this is the only viable defensive action available
to the American people at the moment. When Bush gets his second term,
even that avenue will be gone -- in his
Counterpunch, October 20, 2003
The Dirty War of the Tough-Minded Liberals
Democrats Seek to Disappear Chomsky & Nader
By MARK HAND
About two weeks ago, I reviewed Diana Johnstone's Fools' Crusade, an
excellent book that takes a critical look at U.S. and European
intervention in Yugoslavia in the 1
Michael Perelman wrote: >>Audie Bock, the new Green Assembly representative
from Cal. has a question for us. She asked, about transit issues. She
quotes: "I have the impression that mass transit and highway planning are
treated as two separate and distinct issues. I believe that when planning
ou
At 11:50 AM 6/22/99 -0400, Henry Liu wrote:
>of automobile configuration. Cars of course are air polluting.
>Yet, the advantages of the highway/auto system are not insubstantial. It
>serves effectively the spread-out existing urban patterns, albeit because the
>pattern grew from it.
>The car pro
Peter wrote:
>There is evidence that General Motors conspired to destroy dozens of
public transit systems in the 1930's and '40s, ...<
I don't know about other cities, but GM and others definitely conspired to
destroy the "Red Line" trolley system in Los Angeles. In fact, they
succeeded in doing
The locus classicus for all this GM conspiracy stuff is the Snell Report
to the Senate Antitrust Committee from the mid 70s. Rumor has it that
Bradford Snell has been working assiduously on a book-length version of
this study, and that it is due to come out sooner rather than later.
Peter
Jim D
Re "popular support": Check out the film "Taken for a Ride" which details
the destruction of the transit systems around the country by GM, Firestone,
et. al. How can popular support be developed for something which doesn't
exist. Can we "vote with our dollars" when there isn't something to vote
On Wednesday, June 23, 1999 at 09:23:02 (PDT) Rod Hay writes:
>My experience is limited to north american so any one in Mexico City,
>Calcutta or Lagos may correct me, but my impression of LA was that it was
>hell on earth. ...
Actually, I grew up in Torrance, a suburb just south of LA, of whic
There is an organization in Washington, D. C., the Surface Transportation
Policy Project that is the source that Audie Bock should reach. sorry, i
don't have a phone number. The federal highway money is now tied to provide a
small bit for transit. There are groups in the Bay Area that work on t
> Audie Bock, the new Green Assembly representative from Cal. has a
> question for us. She asked, about transit issues. She quotes: "I have
> the impression that mass transit and highway planning are treated as two
> separate and distinct issues. I believe that when planning our highways
> in Ca
At 10:35 AM 6/22/99 -0400, Doug Henwood wrote:
>Isn't there like zero popular support for mass transit in California? How
>can you push a policy, however humane and rational, that no one wants?
Au contraire, in 1990 after the "Big Quake" (Loma Prieta 1989) there was a
proposition on the referend
At 07:13 AM 6/22/99 -0700, Brad DeLong wrote:
>>Audie Bock, the new Green Assembly representative from Cal. has a
>>question for us. She asked, about transit issues. She quotes: "I have
>>the impression that mass transit and highway planning are treated as two
>>separate and distinct issues. I b
At 10:20 PM -0500 3/16/04, Michael Hoover wrote:
my mother is my political barometer and she and her husband are in
anybody but bush camp, she's worried (incorrectly imo) that nader
will help put bush back in white house, folks like her who think
that are much more important than all nation magazin
erver.com/Radio.html>; scroll down to the
Dec 19 2002 show). They're steamed that he cost Gore the election
(their perception, not mine).
Doug
The 2000 Nader/Green Party presidential campaign was, financially, a
minus for Ralph Nader as an individual political entrepreneur but, in
terms of gains
Wojtek Sokolowski wrote:
>
>
>
> If memory serves there was group in SF Bay area advocating "planned
> congestion" and "market" (i.e. price) approach (increasing bridge tolls and
> parking fees) to make cars less attractive for commuters - a very clever
> way of using market ideology to fig
Doug, there is a fear of giving up the car with a loathing for the traffic
jams. The preferred solution is better roads which just create more traffic.
Because public transport is underfunded, most people associate public
transport with inefficiency, poverty and bad government. But the disgust
On Tuesday, June 22, 1999 at 20:18:50 (-0400) Michael Hoover writes:
>...
>possible future options include:
>
>1) expanded bus service ...
>...
>2) light rail systems ...
>...
>3) people movers/small cars carrying ten or so people running on
>fixed rail system ...
I've always thought that a flee
> Because public transport is underfunded, most people associate public
> transport with inefficiency, poverty and bad government. But the disgust
> with
> traffic grows daily and people do not want freeways too near their cul de
> sacs.
> Michael Perelman
part of public transit 'renaissance' i
"William S. Lear" wrote:
> Austin is beginning to look like LA.
>
In the late 60s, when we were looking at the future of urban patterns, it
was very clear that LA would be the model of the future for most of
America's metropolitan areas. We used to give lectures nationwide with
the message: "
Snell is working on a book which includes the GM conspiracy -- he is interviewed
on camera in the film I've mentioned. But the book always seems to be coming
out soon. Sort of like the stuff I write.
I've heard (maybe here on PEN_L?) that the book now includes GM's
connections with the Naz
See the documentary -- Taken for A Ride -- shown on PBS a couple of years ago.
There is an analogy in the disappearance of transit to the desire on the
part of many in the electric de-regulation battle -- to "get off the grid" and
away from the big bad monopolies. The grid is a community res
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Nader is now "drawing 7 percent of the votes" in a "nationwide
telephone poll of 1,206 adults, including 984 registered voters . . .
taken from last Wednesday through Sunday" (Adam Nagourney and Janet
Elder, "Nation's Direction Prompts Voters' Concern, Pol
PEN-L list on behalf of Yoshie Furuhashi
Sent: Sun 2/22/2004 1:26 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L] Nader & the Green Party (Maybe they should start calling him "angry")
>Michael Hoover wrote:
>
>>'best' reason why nader shouldn't run is that he i
I think the problem with Nader's stance is that he's "against the
corporations" but that conceptualisation or theme is unlikely to be
successful, it's essentially no different than being "against the public
service".
J.
>Wojtek Sokolowski wrote:
>
>>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> If memory serves there was group in SF Bay area advocating "planned
>> congestion" and "market" (i.e. price) approach (increasing bridge tolls and
>> parking fees) to make cars less attractive for commuters - a very clever
>> way of using market ideol
Why should public transit "run at a profit"? The fire department doesn't.
Gene Coyle
Michael Hoover wrote:
> > Because public transport is underfunded, most people associate public
> > transport with inefficiency, poverty and bad government. But the disgust
> > with
> > traffic grows daily an
> On Tuesday, June 22, 1999 at 20:18:50 (-0400) Michael Hoover writes:
> >3) people movers/small cars carrying ten or so people running on
> >fixed rail system ...
>
> I've always thought that a fleet of mixed-size transports would be the
> best. They could operate on a grid system and be compu
My experience is limited to north american so any one in Mexico City,
Calcutta or Lagos may correct me, but my impression of LA was that it was
hell on earth. So Henry's thought is sobering. Here there is a constant
fight between inner city residents and traffic engineers on widening
streets.
At 09:03 PM 6/22/99 -0700, Gene Coyle wrote:
> There are two groups in the Bay Area pushing congestion pricing. I don't
>think it is that clever. the groups are the Environmental Defense Fund and
>the Union of Concerned Scientists -- Berkeley office. If we rely on
>congestion pricing, who is
Were I a literary agent or an editor, I'd propose that Michael Hoover write
a book on US Govt. The title may be something like, _Doing Less with More:
A Case agaisnt Decentralization_ or _Encyclopedia Americana: Everything You
Wanted to Ask about the US Government (but Will Be Aghast to Discover)_
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 03:04:28 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Greens For Nader Update: Rigged Convention Divides Green Party
Greens For Nader Update: Rigged Convention Divides Green Party
2004.08.08 00:04:27
> Why should public transit "run at a profit"? The fire department doesn't.
> Gene Coyle
>
> Michael Hoover wrote:
> > today, state (47%) and federal (9%) subsidied make up majority of
> > public transit revenues with fares and ads contributing the rest...
> > but operations lost money even at p
Yes, but what WILL they fund? More lanes.
Gene Coyle
Brad De Long wrote:
> >Wojtek Sokolowski wrote:
> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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> >> If memory serves there was group in SF Bay area advocating "planned
> >> congestion" and "market" (i.e. price) approach (increasing bridge tolls and
> >> pa
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