Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-06 Thread Dave Page
-Original Message- From: Magnus Hagander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 May 2005 22:58 To: Marc G. Fournier; Dave Page Cc: Robert Treat; Tom Lane; Josh Berkus; pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Subject: SV: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-06 Thread Dave Page
-Original Message- From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 May 2005 01:15 To: Magnus Hagander Cc: Marc G. Fournier; Dave Page; Robert Treat; Tom Lane; Josh Berkus; pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-06 Thread Magnus Hagander
Actually, if the number of split files (whatever their names) increase even further, may I suggest they are moved into a subdir of their own, keeping just the main distribution and the README about the splits in the main dir? the main distribution will just be

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-06 Thread Adrian Maier
On 5/6/05, Magnus Hagander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, if the number of split files (whatever their names) postgresql-WTKS.tar.gz (with the kitchen sink) file that contained everything for those that really wanted to download it all ... That would be

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-06 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Am Donnerstag, 5. Mai 2005 23:47 schrieb Marc G. Fournier: have against is that the names could get very long: postgresql-fuzzystrmatch-8.0.2.tar.gz the postgresql part just seems redundant ... Not once you have downloaded it and don't remember where you got it from. -- Peter Eisentraut

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-06 Thread Stephen Frost
* Magnus Hagander ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Remind me again how this is actually *better*, and not just making life a whole lot worse for me? And more specifically, for a new user that doesn't know which files to download already, and will just grab the default file. Or the new user will go

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-06 Thread Magnus Hagander
Remind me again how this is actually *better*, and not just making life a whole lot worse for me? And more specifically, for a new user that doesn't know which files to download already, and will just grab the default file. Or the new user will go 'apt-get install postgresql' and

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-06 Thread Stephen Frost
* Adrian Maier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Once this 'wtks' will be available, I bet that most people who are aware of its existance will prefer to download it because it would be much more convenient.The name of the package will need to be carefully chosen, though. wtks does not seem to

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-06 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Fri, 6 May 2005, Dave Page wrote: -Original Message- From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 May 2005 01:15 To: Magnus Hagander Cc: Marc G. Fournier; Dave Page; Robert Treat; Tom Lane; Josh Berkus; pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-06 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Fri, 6 May 2005, Peter Eisentraut wrote: Am Donnerstag, 5. Mai 2005 23:47 schrieb Marc G. Fournier: have against is that the names could get very long: postgresql-fuzzystrmatch-8.0.2.tar.gz the postgresql part just seems redundant ... Not once you have downloaded it and don't remember where you

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-06 Thread Magnus Hagander
What is being worked on right now is effectively reducing things down to: postgresql-server (including libpq) postgresql-insert add on here So you mean to get an equivalent of postgresql-8.0.2.tar.bz2, I will have to download 30+ tarballs? Or the WTKS one ... which will

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-06 Thread Dave Page
: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement What is being worked on right now is effectively reducing things down to: postgresql-server (including libpq) postgresql-insert add on here So you mean to get an equivalent of postgresql-8.0.2.tar.bz2, I will have to download 30

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-06 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Fri, 6 May 2005, Magnus Hagander wrote: What is being worked on right now is effectively reducing things down to: postgresql-server (including libpq) postgresql-insert add on here So you mean to get an equivalent of postgresql-8.0.2.tar.bz2, I will have to download 30+ tarballs? Or the WTKS one

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-06 Thread Magnus Hagander
What is being worked on right now is effectively reducing things down to: postgresql-server (including libpq) postgresql-insert add on here So you mean to get an equivalent of postgresql-8.0.2.tar.bz2, I will have to download 30+ tarballs? Or the WTKS one ... which will

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-06 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Fri, 6 May 2005, Dave Page wrote: - Who/how will the release processes for all these seperate projects be coordinated? Who does now? As far as I know, PLs or contrib files *aren't* tested by the regression tests, so, at best, they are getting 'spotty testing' right now when we release ... we

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-06 Thread Dave Page
-Original Message- From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 May 2005 16:04 To: Dave Page Cc: Marc G. Fournier; Magnus Hagander; Robert Treat; Tom Lane; Josh Berkus; pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-06 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Fri, 6 May 2005, Magnus Hagander wrote: For PLs, usually I do. Then I activate them as they are needed. For contribs, no, I usually stick tsearch2 in there, but not many other contribs. See, me, I download/install a PL as required ... so being able to download a nice tiny file that uses my

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-06 Thread Stephen Frost
* Magnus Hagander ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: If you are on debian or a derivative, of course. I assume we are not planning to abandon the users who build from source. Not abandon them, no. That's where Marc's stuff comes into play really, and the WTKS stuff. (won't using apt-get get you a

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-06 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Fri, 6 May 2005, Stephen Frost wrote: Honestly, I think WTKS will work for you, though you may end up downloading more than you want and you'll have to ignore build failures for those PLs you don't have the interpreters for. Actually, that shouldn't be an issue ... the WTKS tar ball would have

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-06 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Fri, 6 May 2005, Dave Page wrote: Yes, but isn't the point of the so-called WTKS to pull in other projects like PL/R, libpqxx and a range of other external projects from places like Gborg? We have precisely zero control over their quality. Course we have control over it ... if it isn't up to

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-06 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Marc G. Fournier wrote: As far as I know, PLs or contrib files *aren't* tested by the regression tests, so, at best, they are getting 'spotty testing' right now when we release ... we know they build, that's it. And that won't change before/after ... Andrew is looking to add PL testing to the

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Joe Conway
Josh Berkus wrote: Not decided, but it's surely on the radar screen for this discussion. Joe Conway's PL/R is in the back of my mind as well --- it likely has a smaller userbase than the first two, but from a maintenance standpoint it probably belongs on the same level. Yeah, except PL/R has

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Dave Cramer
pl-j and pl/java are working together to create a shared interface so that they can co-exist. This is the part that we wish to have added to the main source tree. It will just be the C portion of the code that does rely on the backend. Dave Tom Lane wrote: "Joshua D. Drake" [EMAIL

Re: [OT] Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Mitch Pirtle
On 5/4/05, Russell Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 4 May 2005 04:40 am, Tom Copeland wrote: On Tue, 2005-05-03 at 14:26 -0400, Mitch Pirtle wrote: Of course, Mitch is running the second largest GForge site on the planet (as far as I know) second only to

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Tom Lane
Joe Conway [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've considered relicensing PL/R with a BSD license, but I haven't been able to decide whether I really can do that given libR's GPL status, and I'm afraid it might tick off the R core developers if I do. The direction I see this going in wouldn't require

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 5 May 2005, Dave Cramer wrote: pl-j and pl/java are working together to create a shared interface so that they can co-exist. This is the part that we wish to have added to the main source tree. It will just be the C portion of the code that does rely on the backend. Note that what Tom

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Tom Lane
Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Note that what Tom is proposing is actually yanking *all* PLs from the core source tree, but having them all within the core CVS ... I believe his motivation is that he only has one CVSROOT to set to get at all the files, but that they are seperate

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Dave Cramer
What we are proposing is just including the C code which will have no external dependancies. We understand that building the java pl's requires many tools which are not normally available to people building the source. Dave Tom Lane wrote: Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Note

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 5 May 2005, Tom Lane wrote: Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Note that what Tom is proposing is actually yanking *all* PLs from the core source tree, but having them all within the core CVS ... I believe his motivation is that he only has one CVSROOT to set to get at all the

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Josh Berkus
Joe, I've considered relicensing PL/R with a BSD license, but I haven't been able to decide whether I really can do that given libR's GPL status, and I'm afraid it might tick off the R core developers if I do. Seems like you could ask them. -- Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Tom Lane wrote: I want them all in the same CVS basically to avoid any version skew issues. They should always have the same branches and the same tags as the core, for instance; and it seems hard to keep separate repositories in sync that closely. Can you have the same tags across different

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 5 May 2005, Peter Eisentraut wrote: Can you have the same tags across different modules in the same CVS server? If so, that would work. I believe that I can made a 'meta module' that, if I checked it out, would include all sub-modules, and that I can tag/branch appropriately ... if

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Josh Berkus
Tom, But packaging them as separately buildable tarballs that depend only on the installed core fileset (headers + pgxs) seems a fine idea. I really can't see doing this without a better (i.e. CPAN / emerge / ports - like ) build system.Mind you, I'd really like such a build system, but

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Peter Eisentraut wrote: Tom Lane wrote: I want them all in the same CVS basically to avoid any version skew issues. They should always have the same branches and the same tags as the core, for instance; and it seems hard to keep separate repositories in sync that closely. Can you have

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Tom Lane
Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 5 May 2005, Peter Eisentraut wrote: Can you have the same tags across different modules in the same CVS server? If so, that would work. I believe that I can made a 'meta module' that, if I checked it out, would include all sub-modules,

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Tom Lane
Josh Berkus josh@agliodbs.com writes: But packaging them as separately buildable tarballs that depend only on the installed core fileset (headers + pgxs) seems a fine idea. I really can't see doing this without a better (i.e. CPAN / emerge / ports - like ) build system.Mind you, I'd

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Joe Conway
Josh Berkus wrote: Seems like you could ask them. Done that. They give about the same reaction as we do when someone suggests Postgres should be GPL'd Joe ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 5 May 2005, Tom Lane wrote: Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 5 May 2005, Peter Eisentraut wrote: Can you have the same tags across different modules in the same CVS server? If so, that would work. I believe that I can made a 'meta module' that, if I checked it out,

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 5 May 2005, Tom Lane wrote: Josh Berkus josh@agliodbs.com writes: But packaging them as separately buildable tarballs that depend only on the installed core fileset (headers + pgxs) seems a fine idea. I really can't see doing this without a better (i.e. CPAN / emerge / ports - like )

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 5 May 2005, Andrew Dunstan wrote: Peter Eisentraut wrote: Tom Lane wrote: I want them all in the same CVS basically to avoid any version skew issues. They should always have the same branches and the same tags as the core, for instance; and it seems hard to keep separate repositories in

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Josh Berkus
Tom, Uh, that's not exactly what is being proposed. It would be a separate tarball that you could untar wherever you felt like, because it would not depend on the core source tree at all --- only on the files installed by a previous build of the core. Still sounds good. Do you think that

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Tom Lane
Josh Berkus josh@agliodbs.com writes: Still sounds good. Do you think that this system could be extended to other add-ons in the future which are currently more complex builds? And allow us to out some of the wierder things in /contrib? The system already exists --- it's pgxs. We already

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Josh Berkus
Tom, I have no problem with pushing out any part of contrib that doesn't seem tightly tied to the core server. I'm not entirely sure where to draw the line, but for instance I'd probably want to keep dblink where it is, since functions-returning-records are still in considerable flux. Yes, I

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 5 May 2005, Tom Lane wrote: Josh Berkus josh@agliodbs.com writes: Still sounds good. Do you think that this system could be extended to other add-ons in the future which are currently more complex builds? And allow us to out some of the wierder things in /contrib? The system already

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Tom Lane
Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 5 May 2005, Tom Lane wrote: I have no problem with pushing out any part of contrib that doesn't seem tightly tied to the core server. Can I suggest that we focus on PLs first and foremost, since that will allow us to get stuff like pl/PHP,

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Marc G. Fournier wrote: Do we want to consider adding in a mirror of the JDBC/ODBC stuff in the same way? Based on the direction we are taking, I'm all for it .. the idea being that when beta starts, the JDBC folk (or ODBC, or ?) would submit a mega patch to be applied to the tree and tag'd

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 5 May 2005, Tom Lane wrote: Can I suggest that we focus on PLs first and foremost, since that will allow us to get stuff like pl/PHP, pl/Java, pl/J(?), and pl/R in place, and then ramp up other stuff as time permits? Agreed. 'k, if there are no disagreements ... I can't see there being

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Alvaro Herrera
On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 03:25:45PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: 'k, if there are no disagreements ... I can't see there being much we need to do to get started ... I don't need a fully working and buildable package to do the initial module load in CVS, so I think its pretty safe to say

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Marc G. Fournier wrote: This is not to say that we might not want to adjust our distribution setup so that it's easier for people to find 'em --- that is, we could put JDBC/ODBC tarballs on the main ftp servers. But I don't see the need for any coupling inside CVS. Hrmmm, that would be

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 5 May 2005, Alvaro Herrera wrote: On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 03:25:45PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: 'k, if there are no disagreements ... I can't see there being much we need to do to get started ... I don't need a fully working and buildable package to do the initial module load in CVS,

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 5 May 2005, Peter Eisentraut wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: This is not to say that we might not want to adjust our distribution setup so that it's easier for people to find 'em --- that is, we could put JDBC/ODBC tarballs on the main ftp servers. But I don't see the need for any coupling

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Dave Page
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc G. Fournier Sent: 05 May 2005 20:21 To: Peter Eisentraut Cc: Marc G. Fournier; Tom Lane; Josh Berkus; pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Robert Treat
On Thursday 05 May 2005 14:25, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Thu, 5 May 2005, Tom Lane wrote: Can I suggest that we focus on PLs first and foremost, since that will allow us to get stuff like pl/PHP, pl/Java, pl/J(?), and pl/R in place, and then ramp up other stuff as time permits? Agreed.

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 5 May 2005, Robert Treat wrote: On Thursday 05 May 2005 14:25, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Thu, 5 May 2005, Tom Lane wrote: Can I suggest that we focus on PLs first and foremost, since that will allow us to get stuff like pl/PHP, pl/Java, pl/J(?), and pl/R in place, and then ramp up other

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Josh Berkus
Marc, all released at the same time, and tag'd the same way, and available under the same ftp directory ... Hmmm. As licensing permits, I think we should also offer a kitchen sink download for those who want it. Which a lot of people will. I believe that GreenPlum has a serious CVS hacker

'kitchen sink' downloads (Was: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement)

2005-05-05 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 5 May 2005, Josh Berkus wrote: Marc, all released at the same time, and tag'd the same way, and available under the same ftp directory ... Hmmm. As licensing permits, I think we should also offer a kitchen sink download for those who want it. Which a lot of people will. 'k, how do you

Re: 'kitchen sink' downloads (Was: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement)

2005-05-05 Thread Josh Berkus
Marc, I've seen some projects where configure *calls* configure in sub directories ... but that becomes a build issue if someone wants to try and tackle that? Yes, that's what I was proposing that I pitch to the folks at Greenplum that they help with. Might be hard, though, because they're

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Dave Page
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc G. Fournier Sent: 05 May 2005 21:08 To: Robert Treat Cc: Tom Lane; Josh Berkus; pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 5 May 2005, Dave Page wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc G. Fournier Sent: 05 May 2005 21:08 To: Robert Treat Cc: Tom Lane; Josh Berkus; pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Joshua D. Drake
dbsize.tar.gz btree_gist.tar.gz etc The end result wouldn't have enough in the *core* module to warrant a split-dist anymore, since all of what would be left would be what is required for a build ... I know some of this is symantic but I think it would be better to

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 5 May 2005, Joshua D. Drake wrote: dbsize.tar.gz btree_gist.tar.gz etc The end result wouldn't have enough in the *core* module to warrant a split-dist anymore, since all of what would be left would be what is required for a build ... I know some of this is

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Magnus Hagander
Commenting more broadly on the whole thread, I think that more tarballs is a bad thing. I already get emails (both to webmaster and privately) from people not understanding what to download - more files will only make that worse. Going this route will eliminate alot of the confusion,

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-05 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 5 May 2005, Magnus Hagander wrote: Actually, if the number of split files (whatever their names) increase even further, may I suggest they are moved into a subdir of their own, keeping just the main distribution and the README about the splits in the main dir? the main distribution will

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-04 Thread Dave Page
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc G. Fournier Sent: 03 May 2005 19:09 To: Joshua D. Drake Cc: Marc G. Fournier; Tom Lane; Peter Eisentraut; Bruce Momjian; PostgreSQL-development Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS

Re: [OT] Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-04 Thread Russell Smith
On Wed, 4 May 2005 04:40 am, Tom Copeland wrote: On Tue, 2005-05-03 at 14:26 -0400, Mitch Pirtle wrote: If you guys are planning on running Gforge, then you better make 'box' plural. I'm running MamboForge.net, and the poor thing is getting beat into the cold hard earth every day. We

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-04 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Mon, 2 May 2005, Alvaro Herrera wrote: The 2PC patch by Heikki Linnakangas (sp?) is also waiting and so far I haven't seen any indication that it may be merged. Actually, its one of the features we have planned to have merged for 8.1 ... :) Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-04 Thread Robert Treat
On Monday 02 May 2005 15:12, Tom Lane wrote: Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 2 May 2005, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: Then what is the point of having it in CVS? Other then to make are tar ball bigger? So it can be maintained with other PL languages

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-04 Thread Bruce Momjian
Peter Eisentraut wrote: Am Montag, 2. Mai 2005 20:14 schrieb Bruce Momjian: I posted this compromise and no one replied so I thought everyone was OK with it. It gets it into CVS, but has a separate compile stage to deal with the recursive dependency problem. How will a separate compile

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-04 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian pgman@candle.pha.pa.us writes: My idea is that the second stage would just have them go to src/pl/plphp and type 'gmake install'. Absolutely not. It has to work as an independent package, not as something that expects to build inside an already-configured Postgres source tree.

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-04 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Tom Lane wrote: Bruce Momjian pgman@candle.pha.pa.us writes: My idea is that the second stage would just have them go to src/pl/plphp and type 'gmake install'. Absolutely not. It has to work as an independent package, not as something that expects to build inside an already-configured Postgres

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-04 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 4 May 2005, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Tom Lane wrote: Bruce Momjian pgman@candle.pha.pa.us writes: My idea is that the second stage would just have them go to src/pl/plphp and type 'gmake install'. Absolutely not. It has to work as an independent package, not as something that expects to

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-04 Thread Tom Lane
Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 4 May 2005, Joshua D. Drake wrote: So where are we going? plphp.tar.gz being seperately buildable from the core distribution, without the core distribution source files ... That is, plphp should build against an installed set of postgres

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-04 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Tom Lane wrote: Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 4 May 2005, Joshua D. Drake wrote: So where are we going? plphp.tar.gz being seperately buildable from the core distribution, without the core distribution source files ... That is, plphp should build against an installed set of

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-04 Thread Tom Lane
Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kind of offtopic but at that point should we also include plJava? Not decided, but it's surely on the radar screen for this discussion. Joe Conway's PL/R is in the back of my mind as well --- it likely has a smaller userbase than the first two, but from

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-04 Thread Josh Berkus
Tom, Not decided, but it's surely on the radar screen for this discussion. Joe Conway's PL/R is in the back of my mind as well --- it likely has a smaller userbase than the first two, but from a maintenance standpoint it probably belongs on the same level. Yeah, except PL/R has wierd build

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-04 Thread Tom Lane
Josh Berkus josh@agliodbs.com writes: Joe Conway's PL/R is in the back of my mind as well Yeah, except PL/R has wierd build requirements (FORTRAN) and different licensing (R is GPL). :-( [ shrug... ] All of the PLs except plpgsql require an outside language interpreter that has its own

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-03 Thread Pavel Stehule
Another example is the recent patch to check if there are orphaned file system files. That was submitted, Tom had questions, I posted why I thought it was valid, and the patch is going in today. Anyone has the ability to argue their point and try to sway the community, and any member has

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-03 Thread Michael Paesold
Bruce Momjian wrote: (Funny, no one says I have too much power. I will have to look into how to get some someday.) :-) I think you have power, too. :-) You have commited many patches that some other commiters didn't like that much and would rather not have applied themselves. All with some

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-03 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Am Montag, 2. Mai 2005 20:14 schrieb Bruce Momjian: I posted this compromise and no one replied so I thought everyone was OK with it. It gets it into CVS, but has a separate compile stage to deal with the recursive dependency problem. How will a separate compile stage work for actually

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-03 Thread Stephen Frost
* Peter Eisentraut ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Am Montag, 2. Mai 2005 20:14 schrieb Bruce Momjian: I posted this compromise and no one replied so I thought everyone was OK with it. It gets it into CVS, but has a separate compile stage to deal with the recursive dependency problem. How

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-03 Thread Tom Lane
Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am Montag, 2. Mai 2005 20:14 schrieb Bruce Momjian: I posted this compromise and no one replied so I thought everyone was OK with it. It gets it into CVS, but has a separate compile stage to deal with the recursive dependency problem. How will a

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-03 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 3 May 2005, Tom Lane wrote: Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am Montag, 2. Mai 2005 20:14 schrieb Bruce Momjian: I posted this compromise and no one replied so I thought everyone was OK with it. It gets it into CVS, but has a separate compile stage to deal with the recursive

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-03 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Stephen Frost wrote: * Peter Eisentraut ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Am Montag, 2. Mai 2005 20:14 schrieb Bruce Momjian: I posted this compromise and no one replied so I thought everyone was OK with it. It gets it into CVS, but has a separate compile stage to deal with the recursive dependency

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-03 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Joshua D. Drake wrote: Not really that ugly. It is just an extra compile step. Besides you don't have to package it just because it is in the Tarball. Since you keep raising that point: Not packaging something is not a valid solution to something being hard to package. -- Peter Eisentraut

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-03 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Peter Eisentraut wrote: Am Montag, 2. Mai 2005 20:14 schrieb Bruce Momjian: I posted this compromise and no one replied so I thought everyone was OK with it. It gets it into CVS, but has a separate compile stage to deal with the recursive dependency problem. How will a separate compile stage

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-03 Thread Joshua D. Drake
I don't mind if its *also* ship'd in the main distribution as well, I just want that 'quick to download since I already have the libraries/headers installed' package ... We could break out all of the pls at that point? Where if you downloaded postgresql-opt you would get plPHP, plPerl etc...

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-03 Thread Robert Treat
On Tue, 2005-05-03 at 12:40, Peter Eisentraut wrote: Joshua D. Drake wrote: Not really that ugly. It is just an extra compile step. Besides you don't have to package it just because it is in the Tarball. Since you keep raising that point: Not packaging something is not a valid solution

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-03 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Peter Eisentraut wrote: Joshua D. Drake wrote: Not really that ugly. It is just an extra compile step. Besides you don't have to package it just because it is in the Tarball. Since you keep raising that point: Not packaging something is not a valid solution to something being hard to package.

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-03 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 3 May 2005, Joshua D. Drake wrote: I don't mind if its *also* ship'd in the main distribution as well, I just want that 'quick to download since I already have the libraries/headers installed' package ... We could break out all of the pls at that point? Where if you downloaded

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-03 Thread Joshua D. Drake
My primary desire is to avoid having to download several Meg of tar ball(s) in order to add a module to an existing server ... if that can be accomplished, then my main objection to adding things to the core CVS are eliminated ... I guess I don't see the problem of the PostgreSQL distribution

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-03 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Robert Treat wrote: Is telling the rpm maintainers to go fix their rpm's an option? As has been hashed out before, the only thing that makes plphp different from other pl's is that some of the current packagers are taking shortcuts with the packaging scripts which introduces dependency issues.

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-03 Thread Tom Lane
Robert Treat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is telling the rpm maintainers to go fix their rpm's an option? As has been hashed out before, the only thing that makes plphp different from other pl's is that some of the current packagers are taking shortcuts with the packaging scripts which

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-03 Thread Robert Treat
On Tuesday 03 May 2005 13:46, Andrew Dunstan wrote: Robert Treat wrote: Is telling the rpm maintainers to go fix their rpm's an option? As has been hashed out before, the only thing that makes plphp different from other pl's is that some of the current packagers are taking shortcuts with the

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-03 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 3 May 2005, Joshua D. Drake wrote: My primary desire is to avoid having to download several Meg of tar ball(s) in order to add a module to an existing server ... if that can be accomplished, then my main objection to adding things to the core CVS are eliminated ... I guess I don't see

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-03 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 3 May 2005, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Tue, 3 May 2005, Joshua D. Drake wrote: My primary desire is to avoid having to download several Meg of tar ball(s) in order to add a module to an existing server ... if that can be accomplished, then my main objection to adding things to the core

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-03 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Robert Treat wrote: On Tuesday 03 May 2005 13:46, Andrew Dunstan wrote: Robert Treat wrote: Is telling the rpm maintainers to go fix their rpm's an option? As has been hashed out before, the only thing that makes plphp different from other pl's is that some of the current packagers are

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-03 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Mitch Pirtle wrote: On 4/30/05, Jim C. Nasby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If money's not an issue anymore, can we get a bigger box to host pgfoundry on then? :) If you guys are planning on running Gforge, then you better make 'box' plural. Well we already run it :) For pgFoundry and you are correct

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-03 Thread Stephen Frost
* Robert Treat ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: If your compiling it from source, it works similarly to perl... you only need pg when compiling pg support into php, but you dont need tthis in for plphp. The problem stems from things like the php rpm spec, which has a module dependency on

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-03 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 3 May 2005, Andrew Dunstan wrote: Robert Treat wrote: On Tuesday 03 May 2005 13:46, Andrew Dunstan wrote: Robert Treat wrote: Is telling the rpm maintainers to go fix their rpm's an option? As has been hashed out before, the only thing that makes plphp different from other pl's is that

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Increased company involvement

2005-05-03 Thread Stephen Frost
* Tom Lane ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Robert Treat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is telling the rpm maintainers to go fix their rpm's an option? As has been hashed out before, the only thing that makes plphp different from other pl's is that some of the current packagers are taking shortcuts

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