Re: [Pharo-dev] Call about Numerical Methods in Pharo :)

> From: Cameron Sanders <camsand...@aol.com> > To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> > Cc: > Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 13:46:31 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Call about Numerical Methods in Pharo :) > So was SciSmalltalk renamed? > -cam >

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--- Begin Message --- So was SciSmalltalk renamed? -cam On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > It is understandable that over time an own identity for Pharo is helpful > (especially > because of the bad Smalltalk marketing, failures of commercial vendors in >

[Pharo-dev] Call about Numerical Methods in Pharo :)

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 5:05 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > >> On 05 Mar 2016, at 19:57, Ben Coman wrote: >> >> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 2:10 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: >>> On 05 Mar 2016, at 18:22, Eliot Miranda

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Le 6/3/16 14:53, Nicolai Hess a écrit : Thank you Stéphane Ducasse, thank you Eliot Miranda, and all other people of this community. I appreciate what all you are doing (as a teacher / developer / user / supporter) for environment> and it is a pleasure for me to work with you. Me too :)

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It is understandable that over time an own identity for Pharo is helpful (especially because of the bad Smalltalk marketing, failures of commercial vendors in the past, ...). But also no one can not deny/hide the original roots of Pharo: the primary foundations with pure objects all the way

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pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> wrote: > > > From: Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev <pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Call about Numerical Methods in Pharo :) > Date: 6 March 2016 at 14:31:24 GMT+1 > To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org&g

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Thank you Stéphane Ducasse, thank you Eliot Miranda, and all other people of this community. I appreciate what all you are doing (as a teacher / developer / user / supporter) for and it is a pleasure for me to work with you. (this is all I have to say to this topic) Thanks ! And go one :-)

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lectual horizon of radius zero".  (A. Einstein) From: Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.al...@gmail.com> To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Call about Numerical Methods in Pharo :) Sorry guys bu

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Sorry guys but I dont think this is non sense because you may be coding in Pharo and Smalltalk for a long time, but as a beginner I was confused by this, and to this day I am still confused why Pharo is not calling itself a modern implementation of Smalltalk. Even in Pharo by Example there was no

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+100 On 06.03.2016 09:48, stepharo wrote: Why Pharo is not smalltalk and will not be Smalltalk - First because we make it to free us from the past. - In the future we want that people that learned smalltalk in the 90 do not discard Pharo because - "what killed

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> On 06 Mar 2016, at 10:50, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev > wrote: > > Instead of spending a sh*tload of bytes arguing about this nonsense, let's > move on to do some coding... Sorry, but this is the only reasonable thing I can rescue from this whole thread. The

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I do not know in which world you live. You are probably not exposed to students and to technology stack, techno center, hackaton and other place were developers gather and hack. You probably use Smalltalk for your hobby and this is great. I'm selling Pharo to industry and programmers and the

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Lorenzano <esteba...@gmail.com> To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> Cc: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-us...@lists.pharo.org> Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 5:37 AM Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Call about Numerical Methods in Pharo :) frankly all this

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Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero".  (A. Einstein) From: stepharo <steph...@free.fr> To: pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 3:48 AM Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Call about Numerical Methods in Pharo :

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People having problems to be solved using numqi ou abacus can you register to the mailing list and that we can continue working there? And collecting your needs? Stef Le 2/3/16 14:17, stepharo a écrit : Hi guys I met Didier Besset and we had a great hacking session and discussions with Serge

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Why Pharo is not smalltalk and will not be Smalltalk - First because we make it to free us from the past. - In the future we want that people that learned smalltalk in the 90 do not discard Pharo because - "what killed smalltalk was that we could not work well in

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left blank on purpose Le 5/3/16 18:22, Eliot Miranda a écrit : Stef, On Mar 5, 2016, at 12:10 AM, stepharo > wrote: You probably leave in a protected environment but I do not live in the same. Did you check numPy recently or R? momemtum? Do you

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On 03/05/2016 08:33 PM, Eliot Miranda wrote: Jimmie, On Mar 5, 2016, at 5:56 PM, Jimmie Houchin wrote: On 03/05/2016 12:57 PM, Ben Coman wrote: On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 2:10 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: On 05 Mar 2016, at 18:22, Eliot Miranda

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Jimmie, >> On Mar 5, 2016, at 5:56 PM, Jimmie Houchin wrote: >> >> On 03/05/2016 12:57 PM, Ben Coman wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 2:10 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: On 05 Mar 2016, at 18:22, Eliot Miranda wrote:

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Sven, > On Mar 5, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > >> On 05 Mar 2016, at 19:57, Ben Coman wrote: >> >> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 2:10 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: >>> On 05 Mar 2016, at 18:22, Eliot Miranda

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On 03/05/2016 12:57 PM, Ben Coman wrote: On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 2:10 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: On 05 Mar 2016, at 18:22, Eliot Miranda wrote: Stef, On Mar 5, 2016, at 12:10 AM, stepharo wrote: You probably leave in a

Re: [Pharo-dev] Call about Numerical Methods in Pharo :)

On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 10:05 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > >> On 05 Mar 2016, at 19:57, Ben Coman wrote: >> >> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 2:10 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: >>> On 05 Mar 2016, at 18:22, Eliot Miranda

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> On 05 Mar 2016, at 19:57, Ben Coman wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 2:10 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: >> >>> On 05 Mar 2016, at 18:22, Eliot Miranda wrote: >>> >>> Stef, >>> >>> On Mar 5, 2016, at 12:10 AM, stepharo

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Hello. NumSt is good name, maybe ☺ Best regards Laszlo Zsolt 2016.03.05. 16:34 ezt írta ("Serge Stinckwich" ): > On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Ben Coman wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 4:14 AM, Serge Stinckwich > >

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On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 2:10 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > >> On 05 Mar 2016, at 18:22, Eliot Miranda wrote: >> >> Stef, >> >> On Mar 5, 2016, at 12:10 AM, stepharo wrote: >> >>> You probably leave in a protected environment but I do

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> On 05 Mar 2016, at 18:22, Eliot Miranda wrote: > > Stef, > > On Mar 5, 2016, at 12:10 AM, stepharo wrote: > >> You probably leave in a protected environment but I do not live in the same. >> Did you check numPy recently or R? momemtum? >> Do you

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Stef, > On Mar 5, 2016, at 12:10 AM, stepharo wrote: > > You probably leave in a protected environment but I do not live in the same. > Did you check numPy recently or R? momemtum? > Do you think that people do not know how to count? > In 1980 my students were not even born,

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On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 12:59 AM, Ben Coman wrote: > On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 11:32 PM, Serge Stinckwich > wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Ben Coman wrote: >>> On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 4:14 AM, Serge Stinckwich >>>

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On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 12:57 AM, Eliot Miranda wrote: > > >> On Mar 5, 2016, at 7:34 AM, Serge Stinckwich >> wrote: >> >> I was thinking as this name : Abacus >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abacus >> A calculating tool ! > > Good! But

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On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 11:32 PM, Serge Stinckwich wrote: > On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Ben Coman wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 4:14 AM, Serge Stinckwich >> wrote: >>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Nicolas

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> On Mar 5, 2016, at 7:34 AM, Serge Stinckwich > wrote: > > I was thinking as this name : Abacus > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abacus > A calculating tool ! Good! > > On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Ben Coman wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 5,

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On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 4:48 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk wrote: > Or we can use the name from other languages like Liczydło in Polish :) I have some Polish ancestors, but I'm not sure people will remember the name of the project ;-) > >> On 05 Mar 2016, at 16:34, Serge Stinckwich

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Or we can use the name from other languages like Liczydło in Polish :) > On 05 Mar 2016, at 16:34, Serge Stinckwich wrote: > > I was thinking as this name : Abacus > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abacus > A calculating tool ! > > On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 4:22 PM,

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> On 05 Mar 2016, at 16:34, Serge Stinckwich wrote: > > I was thinking as this name : Abacus > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abacus > A calculating tool ! I like that one (BTW, thanks for doing this project, Serge & Co, these higher level, domain specific

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I was thinking as this name : Abacus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abacus A calculating tool ! On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Ben Coman wrote: > On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 4:14 AM, Serge Stinckwich > wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 8:44 PM,

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On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Ben Coman wrote: > On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 4:14 AM, Serge Stinckwich > wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Nicolas Cellier >> wrote: >>> >>> 2016-03-04 19:51 GMT+01:00

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On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 4:14 AM, Serge Stinckwich wrote: > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Nicolas Cellier > wrote: >> >> 2016-03-04 19:51 GMT+01:00 Alexandre Bergel : >>> >>> I personally never liked the

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frankly all this zealot mails do not have any sense. first, SciSmalltalk is a project made fundamentally by Serge, and is Serge who has pointed he wants a change of name for something sexier… what is the problem? second, by discussing a nonsense (because is subjective and everybody has a

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Emotional arguments do not change facts. Contributions of 1000's from 1970's make all of programming languages what they are. Acknowledgement of heritage period. Carry on with the great work, which future generations will acknowledge, even more the contributions of all around Pharo around today,

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+1 On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 6:48 AM, Eliot Miranda wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 12:08 PM, stepharo wrote: > >> >> SciPharo? Not so great news from my POV. >> What is so much pharo specific in this library? >> Is Smalltalk scientific community

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You probably leave in a protected environment but I do not live in the same. Did you check numPy recently or R? momemtum? Do you think that people do not know how to count? In 1980 my students were not even born, so how can it be better than python, java, c#, lua, ... Do you think that it

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On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 12:08 PM, stepharo wrote: > > SciPharo? Not so great news from my POV. > What is so much pharo specific in this library? > Is Smalltalk scientific community large enough for yet another split? > > Split of what? Let us be tagged with a name of 1980 and

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te: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 07:27:45 +0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Call about Numerical Methods in Pharo :) > Why just don't we honor Didier H. Besset and leave it as it was, Numerical > Methods in Smalltalk? > > That way, regardless of your favorite Smalltalk implementation, there will

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On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Nicolas Cellier wrote: > > 2016-03-04 19:51 GMT+01:00 Alexandre Bergel : >> >> I personally never liked the name “SciSmalltalk”. “SciPharo” is much >> better in my opinion >> PhaNum is also okay to me. >>

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We are changing the code and removing mistakes (except if you prefer to have double initialization for example). We are maintaining the book and we will produce a new. So focus on the good energy and our world will get much better. Le 4/3/16 08:32, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev a écrit :

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SciPharo? Not so great news from my POV. What is so much pharo specific in this library? Is Smalltalk scientific community large enough for yet another split? Split of what? Let us be tagged with a name of 1980 and die in peace. Yes this looks like a smart move. There are just Python and R

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2016-03-04 19:51 GMT+01:00 Alexandre Bergel : > I personally never liked the name “SciSmalltalk”. “SciPharo” is much > better in my opinion > PhaNum is also okay to me. > > SciSmalltalk is ugly. Currently, there is no package named SciSmalltalk. SciSmalltalk is just: - an

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I personally never liked the name “SciSmalltalk”. “SciPharo” is much better in my opinion PhaNum is also okay to me. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > On Mar 2, 2016, at

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noit St-Jean <bstj...@yahoo.com> > To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> > Cc: > Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 07:27:45 +0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Call about Numerical Methods in Pharo :) > Why just don't we honor Didier H. Besset and leave it as it was, N

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om: Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckw...@gmail.com> To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Call about Numerical Methods in Pharo :) On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:11 PM, Nicolas Cellier <nicolas.cellier.aka.n...@g

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On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:11 PM, Nicolas Cellier wrote: > SciPharo? Not so great news from my POV. > What is so much pharo specific in this library? > Is Smalltalk scientific community large enough for yet another split? We can think of a more neutral name. Any

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+1 Nicolas Cellier wrote > SciPharo? Not so great news from my POV. > What is so much pharo specific in this library? > Is Smalltalk scientific community large enough for yet another split? > > 2016-03-02 14:56 GMT+01:00 Serge Stinckwich > serge.stinckwich@ > : > >> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at

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SciPharo? Not so great news from my POV. What is so much pharo specific in this library? Is Smalltalk scientific community large enough for yet another split? 2016-03-02 14:56 GMT+01:00 Serge Stinckwich : > On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Tudor Girba

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On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > This is great news! > > I would be interested in time series and distributions as well. Distributions are already there. I start some early work on time series. -- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC)

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This is great news! I would be interested in time series and distributions as well. Cheers, Doru > On Mar 2, 2016, at 2:33 PM, stepharo wrote: > > Hi guys > > I met Didier Besset and we had a great hacking session and discussions with > Serge Stinckwich. > Didier would

[Pharo-dev] Call about Numerical Methods in Pharo :)

Hi guys I met Didier Besset and we had a great hacking session and discussions with Serge Stinckwich. Didier would like to help Pharo and the numerical part of it. ***Big thanks*** Didier. We would like to do several things: - Work on "Hows to" The numerical methods in Pharo is

[Pharo-dev] Call about Numerical Methods in Pharo :)

Hi guys I met Didier Besset and we had a great hacking session and discussions with Serge Stinckwich. Didier would like to help Pharo and the numerical part of it. ***Big thanks*** Didier. We would like to do several things: - Work on "Hows to" The numerical methods in Pharo is