Bill, just to refresh my memory, you were recommending Planet of
Love as the best Lauderdale album, right?
--jr.
Jeff, the last I saw the Albini text was when Purcell posted it way back,
at least 18 months ago?...
Maybe Dave still has the reference.
--jr.
Barry has witnessed the future, and it is now:
an early indication of
interest in country music by cyborgs and projected image, unles you
count..no, nevermind...
Oh, go ahead and say it: Brooks and Dunn, right? They're obviously
androids, doesn't everyone know that?
-jr.
Interesting article and quotes from this drummer who played on
the early Little Richard sides... Sounds like a book worth checking
out.
--junior
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Quote from the new Earl Palmer book appeared in today's NY Times.
Quoted without permission
I've been hearing some enthusiastic comments about a Western Swing CD
re-release: Billy Jack Wills / "Crazy, Man, Crazy" / on Joaquin
Records??
Although it's possible I've heard this guy on a compilation, the name
of *this* Wills isn't ringing a bell for me. Anyone know about this?
A
Sounds like something I want to give a listen to! Thanks Tom
--junior
Speak of the devils! g Apparently SLF is going to tour, with
ex-Jam man Bruce Foxton on bass See dates below.
--junior
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Here are the current SLF dates:
05/15/99 Boston MA Axis
05/16/99 New York NY Tramps
05/17/99 Toronto, CAN
Paul Rodgers on his own influence:
"The original Bad Company was the soundtrack to a lot of
people's lives," says Rodgers. "I mean, if you listen to
some of the music, a lot of the music, actually, it could be
said that Bad Company is responsible for the population
explosion during
Yeah, Neal and Jerry, I figured I would take a little heat for describing
Bad Co as the downfall of Rodgers and Ralphs. I almost added the clause,
"even though I know Jerry loved this band" g...
That first album, ok. I'll admit, the first one was incredibly listenable
and loads of people loved
Matt:
I've been told or have read that they were one of the absolute worst
live bands of their era. Makes sense to me. Remember that horrible album
with Rock n Roll Fantasy? Yugh.
Actually, I did see them on that very first tour and they were fine, for
that genre. But--if I may belabor the
Neal:
To think I'd be discussing Bad Co. today. Yow.
No shit, I was just thinking the same. Wadda list!!!
--juniro
A great "Feel Like Makin' Love" moment:
I went to a white trash wedding once where this was played as the bride
walked down the aisle. No kidding.
Gotta admit, Slim, that's pretty impressive. I hesitate to imagine what
other songs were played during the processional and concluding
At the first of my first cousin's many weddings, this one held at the
beautiful Paramus, New Jersey Steak Pit, the ceremony finished, the groom
seemed to rush down the aisle, leaving her standing there.
The fast thinking accordion player let loose with "What Now My Love, Now
That You've
Greg says:
A fullblown WSQ thread.
Damn, I love this list!
Yeah, I've been enjoying this thread too. I'm chiming in late, but
hasn't anyone mentioned Julius Hemphill? He was my fave of the
bunch. Saw him a lot over the years and followed him from his B.A.G.
days in St Louis to his New
For those on the list who follow the periodic equipment threads, I've
happened onto a pretty thorough and useful site for Fender amp
identification and info. Very good links and a thorough (although still
not complete, as far as I can tell) catalog and guide to all the different
models and
That was a former student, Don. I'm surprised she didn't say "Professor
Barnard," which is even more irritating g.
--jr.
Yeah, Don I can agree with most of this critique in general terms,
until we get to the sincerity bit. As I've said so many times, the
"sincerity" argument never gets it for me. But I'm certainly all for
more musicianship and less scenester 'tude
--junior
Red Meat do Atlanta:
And that Atlanta show...fun fun fun! We played with the Ex-Husbands, who I
never had heard before. And they absolutely rocked -- a fantastic band! If
you live in the Southeast and haven't seen 'em, by all means go! Now! Now
if we could just get them to come out
Heh, apologies for the messge meant for Mark Rubin g.
Always ready to please, Don g. Laura will get to laugh at me, this
time...
--jr.
The one I have a visual memory of could have been Bush, yes. It's a
pretty vague memory, however. I'll probably never know g.
But if Van was slim, the person I saw in a video dub of old TV footage was
definitely not him.
--jr.
Jon, the TV footage I was thinking of was definitely either 50s, or very
early 60s at latest. They did Crazy Arms.
--jr.
Does the Buck Owen's vinyl lp called "Hot Dog" contain some of that
pre-Buckaroos, late-50s stuff that Buck did as "Corky Jones"?
If not, what are the names of the lps that had this stuff. Were these
bootlegs of some sort, or were they on a label?
Thankya,
--junior
Yes Dave, Bing was the man.
You might check out that "High Society" movie with Bing Crosby, Frank
Sinatra, and Louis Armstrong all in the same plot (with Grace Kelly as
Female lead). It's got two or three of our all-time greats on one stage,
as it were. And it's aged better than most Presley
Solomon, for all those psalms. Or was that the last millenium
The diversity of P2 threads will always amaze. David, a person with your
name ought to know that David wrote the best psalms!!! Solomon only sold
records because of all those dirty lyrics. I'll admit David's movie
career was
I thoiught Marty Stuart came off surprisingly well. Especially on
Behshazarr, etc. It was also classy on his part of play Clarence White's
tele for the show! g
-junior
whew, pardon the Monday morning attempts to type
--jr.
Well thank god she's not a mint-julep girl g.
Nice clip, Bill...
--junior
Ah, thank you Brad! Yeah, Van Howard is the name... And I do
believe he's the heavyset guy I've seen in old footage, etc.
--junior
Joe:
I think it's Ray Price, doing the old (pre-multitrack) overdub technique
whereby you sing as the original master rolls and record the mixed
result onto a new master.
While I'm the last person to be differing with Joe, I honestly
think it's not just Ray overdubbing with himself but
And btw, it struck me as ironic that while the media was getting
gonzo over Gretzscy's last perfomance, few stories seemed to mention
that this was very possibly Johnny Cash's last show. If he goes
downhill, that's it
I think Emmylou was crying a little there at the end, during I Walk
Don:
As for Dylan's influence on
pop music, I'd bet Bob would choose the Big E. over himself any day.
Indeed. Not that we don't all love and respect Bobby, but there's
just no comparison here
--junior
Nice post, Joe! And yep, Barry, it requires a certain age bracket...
Several of these "perfect singles" I recall hearing for the first time *on
the radio* and sometimes on the car radio. Especialy Stones singles, for
me. I distinctly recall hearing "Honky Tonk Women" for the first time on
a
CK archly suggests:
hope you're not suggesting that the list of 50's and 60's era singles are
somehow superior to the singles of the 70s, 80s, and 90s. Since that
would be wrong. g
No, but as several pointed out, the era in which the single ruled was
drawing to a close in the 70s and early
Deb Deb Deb,
Don't you know, doll, we want to know your hair color!! Screw this "I
sat behind Emmylou" nonsense...
We want the behind the scenes, "where is Deb now and can she find her way
back by reading the directions in reverse" scoop.
BTW, KC P2ers Jack C and Bill S were way down with
Heard a great show by Robbie Fulks here in Lawrence last night. I
think the guy's just getting better and better. The difference
between the more "indie"-esque material and the country material
seems less and less of a problem to me now, perhaps I'm just getting
used to it.
Anyhow, I'm
As Carl said, underappreciated by whom is the question...
Although it was talked about here a bit, I would also think of
"Bakersfield Bound" by Hillman and Pedersen. I was blown away by
this album and I've probably listened to it as much as any other
album this decade Incredible
Jo Carol Pierce: "Bad Girls Upset by the Truth"
Oh yeah, I forgot about this one. This is indeed a real piece of
work, must be heard (or seen) to be believed. I heard her do the
whole thing at a theater during a SXSW three or four years ago and
absolutely loved it. I kind of wish she'd
Derek was asking the other day about SF shows...
Lots of stuff below.
--junior
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Tomorrow's headline:
Benz advocates Milosevic-style ethnic-cleansing of bad roots-rockers from
Ohio!
Photo / caption quote:
Tell ya what tho: we can ship you
busloads of starry-eyed roots rockers, pot smoking dunderheads and a
couple 1000 slack-asses. Isn't Austin a haven of some sort,
That's good news. With some of the pedal-steel talk lately, I was
wondering what Dennis Scoville has been up to...
--junior
Dave, several people were raving about this new album here yesterday, and
about a Letterman ? appearance
It would be great to see something really good from him.
--junior
Jon on the relevance or not of equipment threads..
Yeah, right, it's not of general interest, like vintage cereals g.
True. We've had Tele threads and amp threads that went on for days. Or,
you could just take it to the "fluff" list. On the fluff list, Joe, we
could talk basses and Texas
I played one of those today and I liked it pretty good, but it still
doesn't have that long, unctuous sustain that I need for KRhodes new stuff.
Yeah, sustain is not what the Danelectro / Jerry Jones style ones are
about, for sure.
Seems like the P-bass is pretty irrefutable in these
Now, besides the New York activities at Mercury Lounge, the Alphabet Opry,
etc. , any New Yorker suffering from The Problem should be aware that the
quickest treatment is to click onto www.twangfest.com and get yourself an
airplane ticket for this year's 3-day Twangfest in St Louis, June 10-12.
These dates just in on the first road action since the album.
These are apparently a kind of warm-up for a long-haul
period of touring starting in late June to coincide with album
release July 13, etc
Although a previously-mentioned KC date doesn't appear on this list,
there's still
While we're on side players, I'll add that I've been listening to a
lot of Albert Lee for the last week or so. Not sure what got me
started, but I hadn't heard much from him or about him for awhile and
once I got started I went back through a bunch of stuff he's on, just
to enjoy it, etc...
I'd think the criteria would be only that we're *not* talking a
"front" person. So either studio or touring musicians who contribute
to the sound and result but aren't the featured performers.
So Vince Gill wouldn't qualify, even though he's a top-rate player,
whereas Pete Anderson or Gurf
The conflict is not over
the stench, but over the farmers' right to play country
music loud enough so that the porkers can hear it.
What, country is big with golfers now?? That's great!
Rimshot,
--junior
Many thanks Jon...
-jr.
Yep, Doug Sahm is one of those people who are much greater than most of
the "stars" that get touted in the industry Also a pretty generous
guy who will talk your ear off if you ever run into him at Hole in Wall or
some comparable watering hole on an odd afternoon, etc. g.
BTW, Barry, I
Oh yeah, the planned pool at the Oak Grove. Lord, I'd forgotten
about that...
--jr.
Matt:
Just found out the original J. Geils Band is coming to Columbus to play
Lord yes, the original band (the first two albums) was incredible.
"First I Look at the Purse," "Milk and Alcohol," etc Before they
degenerated into goofiness, they were briefly one of the very best
bands
Or maybe the mistake got in there because the real John-June son (the
mediocre one) was at the show. I saw his presence mentioned in
several accounts...
--junior
Interesting how lots of people chime in with Peter Wolf memories
That Cobo Arena show sounds great g.
I've always heard stories about what a marvelous and
influential DJ Wolf was in his early Boston period, but I was in
NY and Philly then and never caught any of this. My own teenage
More power to Willie, but it's sometimes sad to see him featured as
the token twang artist at a travesties like this Hope he gets
paid a LOT!!! g
--jr
LOL, Jeff. Very nice response with a true P2 flair
--junior
"The aural equavalent of a wasanabe sp? nasal inhalant"?
Sounds like a band Greil Marcus would find terribly significant. At
least they aren't working-class southerners!!! g
--junior
Oh yeah, not to mention Cibo Matto and other fundamental acts of the
90s
Grumpy cause there's probably a tornado starting up outside my
building. We seem to be starting up early this year!!
--junior
Also to consider for Diane and whoever else is thinking about these
issues is of course the difference between promoting shows and owning
the bar/venue itself.
These are two very different balls of wax. Dave describes someone
who's had a good effect locally by *promoting,* but starting up a
Go, Roger!! g. Well, the man has always been into technology,
that much is certain He was also a fairly early emailer on one
of those Byrds websites, as I recall. When I first got hooked up
the the web and started emailing and all, I remember being amazed by
the fact that he'd replay
Good lines all
"when your gal ain't just a dish, she's a whole set of china,that's love"
-- That's Love/nothing but the truth
Joe Ely once sang "Your love ain't just the hot sauce, it's the whole
enchilada".
And Huelynn Duvall once sang: "Well baby is you is? / Or is you
Heh, it's good to agree with Dave on *some* things. I've listened
to Shonen Knife and seen a couple of these bands live (Cibo Matto
and Pizzicatto 5 or whatever their name was) and I'll tell you,
truly, I came away with my butt completely intact
Cibo Matto was "cute," I guess (the
All of this talk about non-US bands reminds me that last night on CNN
I saw live footage of a Serb band playing one of those anti-NATO
rallies in downtown Belgrade.
It made me think of Jon Weisberger because the band's idea of
postmodern (or at least postmetal) irony and political commentary
Marie's right, Guitar Wolf was actually really good. I forgot about
them...
--junior
Seiji (sp? I think...) Ozawa is, I believe, a Japanese native. He
gets as much work in Europe and worldwide as he does in the US, in
fact, and qualifies as one of the most successful conductors of the
last 20 years or so Not necessarily for classical (see? I'm
fine with the term g)
Morgan:
Yeah, it would be safe to say they were the most successful Japanese act
stateside, or at least one of the most successful... They were definitely
in with the orthopedic shoe set for some time... g I remember they had
these really cool buttons... Very "Powerpuff Girls"...
Buford said:
I work with a couple of Japanese gals who are just as cute and
botch the English language just as badly. I think I'll round them up,
pull a Malcolm McLaren, and get them to sing my new hit songs
"My Dog Like Vanilla Ice Cream" and "Red Car Go Fast Ha! Ha!
Ha!"
No, you're
I wasn't kidding about Elastica, Bill. As derivative as they were, I
thought they were terrific. Truly
I had a great music week in 96, or whenever it was they toured, when
I saw them on a Thursday night in the Union ballroom here at the
University of Kansas, then two nights later in
Yeah, Deb, it is indeed a "half-life" Jerry is referring to.
A "semi-life" is the truck-driving life, as everyone on P2 knows
--jr.
"Gimme Shelter"?
That was too cliched, but I couldn't resist...
--junior
Lance, I believe the ROIR MC5 collection is called "Babes In Arms." It's
pretty great and now available on CD.
--junior
Yes, Bill: the Metropole. That was the name of the club in Pittsburgh
where I saw Justine and her pals g. They were something, no doubt about
it. If they ever get back out on tour, I'll certainly be there
--junior
Deb:
Hey, I can also tell jokes that don't include Jerry Curry. And actually, I
was thinking with two wedding parties a lot of us could get lucky g
Ever since this situation came to light, I've been wondering about
the poor folks who've booked rooms at the Oak Grove for weddings! Can you
Nah, Amy, I don't hate 'em or anything. I've just never quite been on the
wavelength. I enjoyed those shows way back when and I even see the sense
in which their were certain innovations there (like the phrasing thing
Barry mentioned). They just never rang my own little bell, etc
I did
Probably anyone would have been easier to deal with than Crosby? Except
maybe Saint Gram
Anyhow, have any of you listened to the "hidden track" studio stuff on
those Byrds re-releases. I was just thinking of Crosby the other night
after listening (and laughing a lot) at the studio fight
Matt:
I haven't got that one yet (tho I've heard about that studio
fight: I believe it is included on those "celebrity losing it" tapes
that make the rounds), but the one at the end of "5D" is painful:
McGuinn and the Walrus talking about the *new* album. Yn. I
don't know how
You know, Cheryl, I resisted the anti-Christgau wave for a while, but
he really does have his head up his arse these days. Might as well
admit it and be done with it. The Voice at its best, moreover
g.
Maybe a motto for next year's P2 Tshirt would be "Screw You,
Christgau," or some
I too think Roir is still in business. In fact I seem to see more of
their CDs today than ever. Their MC5 compilation, for ex., is
terrific and highly recommended
--junior
Since John brings up his best so far, I thought I'd mention I
recently got the new Rosie "Dance Hall Dreams" and am a bit
disappointed.
I really love Rosie and keep hoping she'll release a killer album but
it doesn't seem to happen. Damn The material, for the
most part, never really
Don:
I don't know about the Derailers' new one, but unfortunately I didn't find
Kirchen's new one to be much better than Rosie's.
Double damn, then I really hate it when people I love come out
with albums I can't get enthused about, etc. I hope we get another
good one soon. This
If Don's list is any indication, perhaps Sire's efforts in the
Americana vein are finally starting to pay off.
There's also the Tim Carroll due out on Sire later this spring or
early summer, no??
--junior
Don:
Well, it's one thing to put out good records. It's quite another to
figure out how to sell 'em.
Heh, this is about exactly what one Derailer was saying to me at
SXSW. But putting out that good record is a lot farther along than
most people get to begin with...g
--junior
Jerry, that new-Exhubs is a dandy, imho. I'm hoping it comes out soon,
somewhere and assuming it'll be on some year-end top 10s. If I *were*
to make a list for this year already (which I'm not doing g), it would
be number 1 for me.
--junior
Eugene, the album's getting a good reception here on P2 (just today
several people have listed it as one of their top releases so far this
year, etc.) and yes, they are indeed getting tour support from Sire (how
much I'm not certain...).
And they'll be headlining Friday night June 11 at this
With all this talk about covers, Fever, etc. I relistened to Elvis and
Little Willie John's versions last night and was wondering when and by
whom the song was first recorded. Little Willie's is from 1956. Are
there recordings before that?
Curious,
--junior
Although I just wrote CK an offlist post, I'll repeat the gist here, in
case anyone cares g.
Two years ago, right before handover, there were a number of "indie",
"alternative," and "rootsy" bands. When I was there in Spring 96, I even
played 4 or 5 shows with a local Chinese-British blues kid
Bill ponders the mysteries of Televison and that epochal artiste, Tom
Verlaine...
Seminal and magical or pretty much overrated, you decide.
Ah well, these are taste matters I know. I tend toward the latter
however I'd give their entire recorded output for a single
track by the Ramones.
Actually, I saw 'em in 76 at CBGB's too old old old!!! and several
other times, but they didn't do any more for me then than they do
now, in retrospect.
Ah well,
--junior
The Swedish top 10 is even better than the British! What are these
folks drinking??? g. Must be smuggling Aquavit across the border
or something.
Many P2-beloved bands would be making better livings if these kinds
of preferences were exhibited over here, sheesh
--junior
First Amy:
Well, referencing Peggy Lee's "Fever" isn't going to win any points with
me, as I don't love either the song or her toneless version of it. If this
loses me major kitsch-cred points, that's fine with me.
Then Ross:
Well thanks, I guess, for pointing out to me that I'm just
Barry's suggestion is an excellent one. The Times should really get an
idea of the level of knowledge they're referencing with some of these
people.
Not that they will care, probably, but it's good to make them aware of
how poorly informed some of their folks really are.
Back in the 80s, I
Any, then, Jon says the following, on covers:
Exactly, and what's spooky, at least to me, is that while sometimes the
emotional resonance is responsible for the "note-for-note" rendition,
sometimes it's the other way around - that is, by concentrating fiercely on
doing just what the original
Probably because a lot of women have crappy taste in music...
They're the ones buying the Celine Dion, Mariah Carey, etc. albums and the
Titanic Soundtrack...which are all usually #1. I'd say chicks also buy
most of Britney Spears and N'SYNC material. And usually they'll buy them
at a
Hey, Trisha was pretty cool on Sesame Street this morning! I think she
was flirting with that new puppet, whatever it's name is Does Bobby
know about this? sheesh
--junior
Sorry if I missed it if it was posted, but could someone post the web
address for Bug? I've always wondered about them and this thread has
made me want to find our more about it...
Thanks,
--junior
Like Cheryl, I'd love to see a more comprehensive breakdown of
gender demographics in the contemporary music market... Anyone know
where such figures could be had?
Also, Cheryl suspects:
I suspect that more men are obsessive collectors,
Hmmm. I thought it was an established fact that men
Thanks for those sources, Jon. I'm going to check them out.
--junior
Speaking of, has anyone read that biography of Drake that's around
these days. Being cheap, I haven't bothered to skim one of those
expensive-looking hardcovers I see everywhere. But I will probably
consider it when remainder / paperback time rolls around...
--junior
Bill:
n.p. Roger Miller box, disc1
Oooh! Now we're talking... How is that set? Are there relatively
straight tonkers, etc. on there, before the full-blown sixties style
sets in? I've seen that thing in stores but have never taken the
time to check it out.
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